Today's lesson on "Birthright Citizenship". NO EUROPEAN COUNTRY ALLOWS IT.

[frigidweirdo]

There are ZERO European countries who grant citizenship to children of illegal immigrants simply because they were born in their country. All the Trump Haters tell us how wonderful and humane the European countries are, yet they practice EXACTLY what President Trump is proposing on birthright citizenship! How do the Trump Haters rationalize this?

Fact check: Which European countries practice birthright citizenship?

President Donald Trump incorrectly said that the US is "the only country" that automatically confers citizenship to children born in its territory. What's the situation like in Europe? #EuroVerify

www.euronews.com

They also don't allow guns as freely as the US does.

So you gonna get rid of your guns?

 

[White 6]

Our Supreme Court now has a majority of constitutionalists even if one or two are politically wishy washy. I'm pretty sure if Congress clarifies the Founders intent with legislation, SCOTUS will uphold it.

Very well might. If done in the right way with the Representative and Senators of the various states, I would hope they were competent enough in the law to construct the legal phraseology to meet constitutional grounds and judgment of The Supremes.

 

[Foxfyre]

Very well might. If done in the right way with the Representative and Senators of the various states, I would hope they were competent enough in the law to construct the legal phraseology to meet constitutional grounds and judgment of The Supremes.

There will always be dispute re the letter and intent of the law which is what the courts were established to mediate in the first place. But I do trust the MAGA movement to continue to respect, protect, and defend the letter and intent of the Constitution.

 

[White 6]

So in other words, the Federal government has the power to force acceptance of current standards on the states.


The law of the land is that childen born must be subject to the full jurisdiction of the United States. They clearly cannot since their illegal parents do not. You cannot gain citizenship to the USA by violating its laws as a criminal. Further, you cannot come here with no means of support and expect us to just carry you.

RvW was the law of the land for decades until a constitutionally-driven SCOTUS revisited the law and found it unconstitutional, and I feel certain this SCOTUS will do the same here and end this bogus claim to birthright anchor babies.

Yes, they had the power to do that in 1868. I suspect the Federal Government under the Executive Branch (notice I used the word "under" and did not say, sat along with) has even more power, by far now.

The law of the land and the constitutional amendment specifically addressing it is what this is all about.

There was not and is not a Constitutional specifically addressing abortion. There is no connection between RvW and this discussion.

 

[White 6]

There will always be dispute re the letter and intent of the law which is what the courts were established to mediate in the first place. But I do trust the MAGA movement to continue to respect, protect, and defend the letter and intent of the Constitution.

Sounds like a trusting "babe in the woods" approach to politics and politicians to me. You would be better served not trusting either of the two main political parties in this country or any other.

 

[Foxfyre]

Sounds like a trusting "babe in the woods" approach to politics and politicians to me. You would be better served not trusting either of the two main political parties in this country or any other.

I trust those who earn my trust. President Trump did just that in his first term in office which is why I can trust him or at least give him benefit of the doubt now. And until the GOP betrays my trust, I will give them benefit of the doubt that they will promote and support a great MAGA vision that I believe in.

 

[White 6]

I trust those who earn my trust. President Trump did just that in his first term in office which is why I can trust him or at least give him benefit of the doubt now. And until the GOP betrays my trust, I will give them benefit of the doubt that they will promote and support a great MAGA vision that I believe in.

I do agree to have many doubts about the GOP, as well as the Democrats, but to each his own. Still, all would be better served trusting neither of them.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Birthright citizenship was meant for freed slaves
It was never meant for illegal border crosser welfare moochers

There were no illegal border crosser welfare moochers in 1865. That's why we need an amendment.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Do you realize that if the Supreme Court rules that illegal immigrants can claim birthright citizenship, it means that the 7 billion people on our planet can come to America and mooch off of our Taxpayers.

They have had it for over a century. What will be changed?

 

[Foxfyre]

I do agree to have many doubts about the GOP, as well as the Democrats, but to each his own. Still, all would be better served trusting neither of them.

You have to trust somebody or else you're a hermit. I don't want to be a hermit. So I will trust those who deserve it and will not trust those who do not.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Ahh that's an easy one, because he's an idiot, I mean look FFS, only inept trumpanzees take Musk seriously, he's a mess, always high on ketamine and God knows what else.

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High on ketamine? I guess you are stupid enough to not know that is an anesthetic.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Our Supreme Court now has a majority of constitutionalists even if one or two are politically wishy washy. I'm pretty sure if Congress clarifies the Founders intent with legislation, SCOTUS will uphold it.

Once again, the Founders didn't write the 14th Amendment!

 

[Foxfyre]

Once again, the Founders didn't write the 14th Amendment!

Once again the Founders in their wisdom gave us a Constitution that could be amended. They made it properly difficult to do so that no administration would be able to do it on a whim, but they made it possible to do. Sometimes an amendment has turned out to be unwise such as the 18th Amendment mandating nationwide prohibition. That turned out to be so unwise another amendment revoked it. (21st I think.)

We are fallible human beings and sometimes make mistakes. The Founders in their wisdom gave us all the tools we need to correct those mistakes.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So in other words, the Federal government has the power to force acceptance of current standards on the states.


The law of the land is that childen born must be subject to the full jurisdiction of the United States. They clearly cannot since their illegal parents do not. You cannot gain citizenship to the USA by violating its laws as a criminal. Further, you cannot come here with no means of support and expect us to just carry you.

RvW was the law of the land for decades until a constitutionally-driven SCOTUS revisited the law and found it unconstitutional, and I feel certain this SCOTUS will do the same here and end this bogus claim to birthright anchor babies.

Can they be arrested, confined, and judged by a US court? If so, they are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

RvW has nothing to do with this because it had no constitutional basis, which is why it was overturned.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Once again the Founders in their wisdom gave us a Constitution that could be amended. They made it properly difficult to do so that no administration would be able to do it on a whim, but they made it possible to do. Sometimes an amendment has turned out to be unwise such as the 18th Amendment mandating nationwide prohibition. That turned out to be so unwise another amendment revoked it. (21st I think.)

We are fallible human beings and sometimes make mistakes. The Founders in their wisdom gave us all the tools we need to correct those mistakes.

Then we should pass an amendment, agreed?

 

[d0gbreath]

Like all decent good real core Americans I’ll be moving to all white real America as soon as I **** these disgusting purple hair pukes out of enough cash.

Good luck with that, tough guy.

 

[Foxfyre]

Then we should pass an amendment, agreed?

No need re the 14th amendment. We just need a clarification as to what 'jurisdiction' was intended to mean. It was never intended to mean children born to diplomats or others non citizens here on official business or for tourists, business people or students here on visas etc. And the Founders certainly didn't intend for it to apply to people here illegally.

Jurisdiction would apply to former slaves previously denied citizenships and to children of U.S. citizens whether born here or naturalized. Anyone not falling under those categories would be within the jurisdiction of the country where they are citizens.

SCOTUS has gotten that wrong in the past just as they got it wrong on the legality of segregation in the past. But a good well written immigration law spelling it out would almost certainly be affirmed by the current more constitutionally astute SCOTUS.

 

[Foxfyre]

And replace it with what? How should all of us who were born here establish citizenship?

You don't have a birth certificate? Then you need to order one. In my mother's case, her birth certificate was in a Texas courthouse long before the age of computers and when she needed a certified birth certificate, the courthouse had burned down and none was available. So, she had to get affidavits from family members and other family records but they were able to re-create and certify a birth certificate for her.

 

[Foxfyre]

Yes, they had the power to do that in 1868. I suspect the Federal Government under the Executive Branch (notice I used the word "under" and did not say, sat along with) has even more power, by far now.

The law of the land and the constitutional amendment specifically addressing it is what this is all about.

There was not and is not a Constitutional specifically addressing abortion. There is no connection between RvW and this discussion.

Abortion is 'addressed' in the 10th Amendment giving all authority not given the federal government to the individual states. The left had a huge cow when SCOTUS restored that constitutional authority to the states.

 

[Unkotare]

...Only citizens can birth citizens….

Not according to current law.