Todays assignment for all Republicans: Attack and expose Rand Paul for his ignorance and cowardice

[NetJedi]

You’re downplaying the magnitude of the immigration problem…I think you and those who share your passive position have simply refused to understand or acknowledge that radical shit requires radical measures to fix it…30-50 illegals within our borders is radical shit.

I'm not "downplaying" anything, the problem is certainly severe, however that doesn't mean that the solution(s) to it should be purely reactive and extreme.

Rand Paul has a right to the public square like everyone does, I’m not saying otherwise, I simply think his position needs to be challenged and debated right now in public with his constituents and Laken Riley’s parents present.

I'm glad we agree on that part

Martial law stays posse comitatus…the point is moot.
I think you couldn’t be more wrong…those of us actually living in or near sanctuary shitholes full of Mexico’s people would happily invite such an imposition…we know and understand such as a necessary evil, we understand that solving big problems always leads to some collateral damage.

Are you suggesting that President Trump should declare martial law? No way, no how, uh-uh would I ever support that, IMHO that would not only plunge the country into a deep morass from whence it might not return but would also be political suicide for the GOP for even suggesting it.

That’s going to happen either way all the way through it…SCOTUS will have to get involved

Why wasn’t that done in 2016 when Trump had both chambers?

I believe there are several reasons the 2016 Trump Administration could not accomplish deportations at scale, not the least of which were the fact that by his own admission he had no idea how things were done in Washington and who was who (leading him to trust all the wrong people) and the fact that he had the entire Democrat machine and the media constantly throwing road blocks in his way no matter what he wanted to do. This time around he not only has more experience and a far more honest and competent team, he also has a political mandate and the fact that he doesn't have to worry about re-election.

I think the best course of action for the Administration at this point would be to let Tom Homan formulate specific plans of action, he seems like a VERY competent individual when it comes to immigration matters, once he has some specifics, we can debate those in a point-by-point manner.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I'm not "downplaying" anything, the problem is certainly severe, however that doesn't mean that the solution(s) to it should be purely reactive and extreme.


I'm glad we agree on that part

Are you suggesting that President Trump should declare martial law? No way, no how, uh-uh would I ever support that, IMHO that would not only plunge the country into a deep morass from whence it might not return but would also be political suicide for the GOP for even suggesting it.

I believe there are several reasons the 2016 Trump Administration could not accomplish deportations at scale, not the least of which were the fact that by his own admission he had no idea how things were done in Washington and who was who (leading him to trust all the wrong people) and the fact that he had the entire Democrat machine and the media constantly throwing road blocks in his way no matter what he wanted to do. This time around he not only has more experience and a far more honest and competent team, he also has a political mandate and the fact that he doesn't have to worry about re-election.

I think the best course of action for the Administration at this point would be to let Tom Homan formulate specific plans of action, he seems like a VERY competent individual when it comes to immigration matters, once he has some specifics, we can debate those in a point-by-point manner.

Are you suggesting that President Trump should declare martial law? No way, no how, uh-uh would I ever support that, IMHO that would not only plunge the country into a deep morass from whence it might not return but would also be political suicide for the GOP for even suggesting it.

I’m suggesting that Trump use any and every method / mechanism available to him to solve the immigration issue once and for all.
You said-
“IMHO that would not only plunge the country into a deep morass from whence it might not return but would also be political suicide for the GOP for even suggesting it.”
What historical data or empirical data are you using to arrive at such an opinion?

 

[BrokeLoser]

I am not thinking anything.

I am asking about your plan

My plan is very simple…Use any and every method and mechanism available to solve the immigration problem once and for all.
Apparently not everyone shares my sentiment…Hmmm….Maybe this issue really is one that Republicans want kept alive and well to be used as a political football for eternity?

 

[Billiejeens]

My plan is very simple…Use any and every method and mechanism available to solve the immigration problem once and for all.
Apparently not everyone shares my sentiment…Hmmm….Maybe this issue really is one that Republicans want kept alive and well to be used as a political football for eternity?

Does " any and Every" include canceling elections if necessary?

 

[NetJedi]

I’m suggesting that Trump use any and every method / mechanism available to him to solve the immigration issue once and for all.
You said-
“IMHO that would not only plunge the country into a deep morass from whence it might not return but would also be political suicide for the GOP for even suggesting it.”
What historical data or empirical data are you using to arrive at such an opinion?

Just to name a few of the worst outcomes of declarations of martial law ...

Myanmar, 2021
Iran, 1978
Pakistan, 1958
Syria, 1963

and oh yeah, Germany, 1933

What you're suggesting is suspending the Constitution which is something I suspect most Americans won't take lying down and under which it's very possible the country would not recover from.

... On the bright side I'm sure all the Federal Bureaucrats would LOVE such a move as they regularly get annoyed by the pesky constitutional protections that citizens are afforded.

Like I said, I believe any serious talk of martial law by leading Republicans is political suicide.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Does " any and Every" include canceling elections if necessary?

Are you in the wrong thread? This one is about mass deportations, how to stop talking about them and how to actually accomplish the goal. Theres’ probably several threads about “canceling elections” for you though.
Can you offer something to this thread and tell us how you think we should deport 30-50 million parasites in 24 months?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Just to name a few of the worst outcomes of declarations of martial law ...

Myanmar, 2021
Iran, 1978
Pakistan, 1958
Syria, 1963

and oh yeah, Germany, 1933

What you're suggesting is suspending the Constitution which is something I suspect most Americans won't take lying down and under which it's very possible the country would not recover from.

... On the bright side I'm sure all the Federal Bureaucrats would LOVE such a move as they regularly get annoyed by the pesky constitutional protections that citizens are afforded.

Like I said, I believe any serious talk of martial law by leading Republicans is political suicide.

This is America where martial law has been invoked 68 times…Lets talk about America, those 68 cases and all that data you must have that has led to your paranoia as it relates to the invocation of martial law….What happened during those 68 declarations that has you believing good things can’t be accomplished for good Americans while under martial law?

Billiejeens you can take a stab at this one as well.

I have a genuine interest in working to understand the reluctancy.

 

[NetJedi]

This is America where martial law has been invoked 68 times…Lets talk about America, those 68 cases and all that data you must have that has led to your paranoia as it relates to the invocation of martial law….What happened during those 68 declarations that has you believing good things can’t be accomplished for good Americans while under martial law?

Billiejeens you can take a stab at this one as well.

I have a genuine interest in working to understand the reluctancy.

As far as I know, martial law has never been declared on a National Level (only at the State/Regional level) in the U.S. and if I'm not mistaken, you're talking about marital law on a national level.

I do understand where you are coming from, illegal immigration makes you angry, it also makes me angry when people come here in violation of our laws with a complete disregard for how the American Citizenry (including legal immigrants who went jumped through all the hoops to become citizens) feel about it. However, I don't feel that we should cut off our nose to spite our face in dealing with it, it's a law enforcement matter so I feel law enforcement agencies are the best way to deal with it and I'm perfectly fine with deporting every illegal immigrant even if that means we have to get Elon to deport them to Mars to keep them from coming back.

Like I said before, let's see what Tom "Shock and Awe" Homan comes up with and go from there.

 

[Billiejeens]

Are you in the wrong thread? This one is about mass deportations, how to stop talking about them and how to actually accomplish the goal. Theres’ probably several threads about “canceling elections” for you though.
Can you offer something to this thread and tell us how you think we should deport 30-50 million parasites in 24 months?

Once again.
Does your plan include cancellng elections if necessary, or disregarding the outcomes?

It is an easy yes or no for someone who is dedicated to the removal of 50 million parasites.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Once again.
Does your plan include cancellng elections if necessary, or disregarding the outcomes?

It is an easy yes or no for someone who is dedicated to the removal of 50 million parasites.

I’ve already said NO…Elections have nothing to do with mass deportations or methods used for them. It is YOU who brought elections into the discussion as a diversion.
Can you offer something to this thread and tell us how you think we should deport 30-50 million parasites in 24 months?

 

[Billiejeens]

I’ve already said NO…Elections have nothing to do with mass deportations or methods used for them. It is YOU who brought elections into the discussion as a diversion.
Can you offer something to this thread and tell us how you think we should deport 30-50 million parasites in 24 months?

Okay

Ignoring the fact that it would be physically impossible to deport 50 million, once it was started you would have maybe 18 months to complete it.

The 2026 midterms would be a bloodbath for The Republican Party and Democrats would be in power for a decade or more.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Okay

Ignoring the fact that it would be physically impossible to deport 50 million, once it was started you would have maybe 18 months to complete it.

The 2026 midterms would be a bloodbath for The Republican Party and Democrats would be in power for a decade or more.

So what’s your thoughts overall? Why continue this “mass deportation” talking point at all? Why did we ever get all giddy about the idea if we knew it was always something we’re incapable of delivering on?

 

[Billiejeens]

So what’s your thoughts overall? Why continue this “mass deportation” talking point at all? Why did we ever get all giddy about the idea if we knew it was always something we’re incapable of delivering on?

Mass deportation might mean something different to you than others.

Start with illegal aliens who have also broken
US law after being here, illegal aliens from hostile counties, single illegal alien men here with no families.

That's ambitious in my opinion.

Maybe get to 10million

 

[BrokeLoser]

Mass deportation might mean something different to you than others.

Start with illegal aliens who have also broken
US law after being here, illegal aliens from hostile counties, single illegal alien men here with no families.

That's ambitious in my opinion.

Maybe get to 10million

So lets go get the 10 million Biden just let in and call it good?…Forget about the other 20-40 million here destroying American culture, our healthcare and education, our social services and public services, our communities and cities?
Do you see the vicious never ending cycle?

 

[Billiejeens]

So lets go get the 10 million Biden just let in and call it good?…Forget about the other 20-40 million here destroying American culture, our healthcare and education, our social services and public services, our communities and cities?
Do you see the vicious never ending cycle?

Do you see the constraints of reality?

 

[Billiejeens]

So lets go get the 10 million Biden just let in and call it good?…Forget about the other 20-40 million here destroying American culture, our healthcare and education, our social services and public services, our communities and cities?
Do you see the vicious never ending cycle?

I'd like to send everyone home,
Including slave descendants, who would still be trying to get water jugs from the river to their huts on the tops of their heads.

But it's not realistic.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Do you see the constraints of reality?

How did you come up with that “reality”?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Trump can't deploy the Military anyway. Posse Comitatus.

As much as I dislike the idea of bucking Trump, his 'Using the Military' is all bluff. He can't.

Besides, we don't need it. They'll self-deport or, better yet (MUCH better) they'll all go to dimocrap FILTH States like Kaliphony, Illinoise, or New Yawk and ruin their economies.

Then we cut their funds. Those States can't exist without Federal help. No way.

Most people do not realize Congress can change that law in a matter of hours if they want.