Todays assignment for all Republicans: Attack and expose Rand Paul for his ignorance and cowardice

[BrokeLoser]

IMHO The last thing you want to start doing is trying to quash any dissenting voices with the GOP, that's the modus operandi of the DEMOCRATS. Transparent and honest debate within the GOP is what they need to set them apart from the cancel culture of the left and to maintain the trust of the citizenry.

Let Rand Paul make his views heard and engage with him in honest debate on the points, the GOP will be better off for it.

This.

Keep in mind people….Republicans/Conservatives have been operating cautiously for decades and as they have they have got their asses handed to them in all facets…Academia, media, social media, big corp…etc etc…The left emerged and took it all from them as Conservatives sat there pussified and cautious…If it wasn’t for Trump and his break of status quo there would be no relevant GOP today. Conservative must let their nuts drop….IT’S TIME!!

 

[NetJedi]

I agree with that…but someone needs to engage him right now in an open exchange of dialogue while his constituents watch. His pussification must be exposed.

I don't think it's "pussification" to point out the potential downsides (and there are many) of having the military perform deportation operations. From reading what is in the article I get the impression that Senator Paul's concerns are sincere and that he's not raising his objections out of spite or grandstanding, he's clearly worried about the negative image it projects as well as the precedent it would set.

Not to mention, these types of law enforcement operations are not what our Military is supposed to be for, we already have an immigration enforcement agency (ICE), just get them back up to snuff with support and resourcing and then get out of the way and let them do their thing.

 

[Edgetho]

Using ANY mechanism on the books would be a “legal” way to counter this invasion….Martial law is on the books, it has been invoked many times in this nation.

Please, educate us on when it's been used by the Federal Government.

I HATE when people make declarative statements and refuse to back them up

I struggle to understand the paranoia from some as it relates to the invocation of martial law.

Because, next time, dimocrap FILTH might use the Military to make sure you get vaccinated or send your kids to the right school or -- Whatever.

Federal Troops in civilian areas is one of the MAJOR, MAJOR reasons we fought a War against the Brits.

You just don't do it.

You're doing the unthinkable -- Making dimocrap scum sound reasonable

 

[BrokeLoser]

I don't think it's "pussification" to point out the potential downsides (and there are many) of having the military perform deportation operations. From reading what is in the article I get the impression that Senator Paul's concerns are sincere and that he's not raising his objections out of spite or grandstanding, he's clearly worried about the negative image it projects as well as the precedent it would set.

Not to mention, these types of law enforcement operations are not what our Military is supposed to be for, we already have an immigration enforcement agency (ICE), just get them back up to snuff with support and resourcing and then get out of the way and let them do their thing.

272 other Republicans in Congress and not one other has said shit about it.
I think most agree, the issue is so far out of hand that unconventional but legal methods to fix it must be utilized, believing otherwise is just plain retarded. I’ll ask you like I’ve asked many who haven’t been able to answer; what ‘standardized’ methods can be used that would prove to be effective in seeking out, arresting and deporting up to 50 million illegals in a 24 month window?
Billiejeens or Edgetho please feel free to answer the question as well.

 

[Billiejeens]

272 other Republicans in Congress and not one other has said shit about it.
I think most agree, the issue is so far out of hand that unconventional but legal methods to fix it must be utilized, believing otherwise is just plain retarded. I’ll ask you like I’ve asked many who haven’t been able to answer; what ‘standardized’ methods can be used that would prove to be effective in seeking out, arresting and deporting up to 50 million illegals in a 24 month window?
Billiejeens or Edgetho please feel free to answer the question as well.

Believing that any force will deport 50 million people is what is retarded.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Please, educate us on when it's been used by the Federal Government.

I HATE when people make declarative statements and refuse to back them up

Lincoln invoked it twice if I remember correctly.

Because, next time, dimocrap FILTH might use the Military to make sure you get vaccinated or send your kids to the right school or -- Whatever.

Federal Troops in civilian areas is one of the MAJOR, MAJOR reasons we fought a War against the Brits.

You just don't do it.

You're doing the unthinkable -- Making dimocrap scum sound reasonable

There’s a reason martial law is a legal mechanism on the books, there are qualifiers in place to justify it’s use. Don’t get too silly.

 

[NetJedi]

272 other Republicans in Congress and not one other has said shit about it.

That concerns me since IMHO this is a VERY important question, either they're afraid to speak their minds and/or they're totally clueless with respect to the potential negative consequences, hopefully Senator Paul publicly speaking up about it will get the ball rolling with respect to open and honest debate. not only among the Congress Critters but also within the Trump Team.

I think most agree, the issue is so far out of hand that unconventional but legal methods to fix it must be utilized, believing otherwise is just plain retarded. I’ll ask you like I’ve asked many who haven’t been able to answer; what ‘standardized’ methods can be used that would prove to be effective in seeking out, arresting and deporting up to 50 million illegals in a 24 month window?
Billiejeens or Edgetho please feel free to answer the question as well.

How can you think "most agree" if the other Republicans in Congress haven't "said shit about it"?

As far as your question with respect to "standardized" methods for deporting up to 50 million illegals in a 24 month window (I don't believe it's that many or that fast but for the sake of discussion ... ) , it's never been tried so there is no basis for evaluating whether it's possible for a revitalized ICE (along with assistance from other law enforcement agencies) to accomplish it. The one thing I do know is that our Military was not designed to be a law enforcement agency and that attempting to use it as one carries numerous public relations and constitutional problems.

That being said, I think it's worth exploring deploying selected military assets for BORDER ENFORCEMENT since defending our borders is a core mission of the armed forces and the military knows exactly how to defend a line in the sand.

 

[Billiejeens]

Lincoln invoked it twice if I remember correctly.

There’s a reason martial law is a legal mechanism on the books, there are qualifiers in place to justify it’s use. Don’t get too silly.

How many election cycles does your plan cancel?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Believing that any force will deport 50 million people is what is retarded.

Does that mean you don’t have another impactful method in mind?
What’s the point in all the pretend then…why are we all giddy, acting like “mass deportations” are going to happen and lead to something measurably better?
Why not just let the pipe-dream die on the vine?

 

[lafayette]

Go away, you've been told that before

After you, lass.

 

[Zincwarrior]

We need Los Angeles to look like Fallujah in 2004.

There are 18MM people in the LA basin.

 

[Billiejeens]

Does that mean you don’t have another impactful method in mind?
What’s the point in all the pretend then…why are we all giddy, acting like “mass deportations” are going to happen and lead to something measurably better?
Why not just let the pipe-dream die on the vine?

You are the only 1 talking about 50 million deportations

 

[BrokeLoser]

That concerns me since IMHO this is a VERY important question, either they're afraid to speak their minds and/or they're totally clueless with respect to the potential negative consequences, hopefully Senator Paul publicly speaking up about it will get the ball rolling with respect to open and honest debate. not only among the Congress Critters but also within the Trump Team.

How can you think "most agree" if the other Republicans in Congress haven't "said shit about it"?

As far as your question with respect to "standardized" methods for deporting up to 50 million illegals in a 24 month window (I don't believe it's that many or that fast but for the sake of discussion ... ) , it's never been tried so there is no basis for evaluating whether it's possible for a revitalized ICE (along with assistance from other law enforcement agencies) to accomplish it. The one thing I do know is that our Military was not designed to be a law enforcement agency and that attempting to use it as one carries numerous public relations and constitutional problems.

That being said, I think it's worth exploring deploying selected military assets for BORDER ENFORCEMENT since defending our borders is a core mission of the armed forces and the military knows exactly how to defend a line in the sand.

That concerns me since IMHO this is a VERY important question, either they're afraid to speak their minds and/or they're totally clueless with respect to the potential negative consequences, hopefully Senator Paul publicly speaking up about it will get the ball rolling with respect to open and honest debate. not only among the Congress Critters but also within the Trump Team.

Or maybe they’re just that fed up like all good real Americans are, maybe they’ve finally recognized the magnitude of the problem, maybe they’re no longer willing to dumb themselves down and play pretend…Maybe they actually do support a ZERO limitations effort used for mass deportations.

How can you think "most agree" if the other Republicans in Congress haven't "said shit about it"?

As far as your question with respect to "standardized" methods for deporting up to 50 million illegals in a 24 month window (I don't believe it's that many or that fast but for the sake of discussion ... ) , it's never been tried so there is no basis for evaluating whether it's possible for a revitalized ICE (along with assistance from other law enforcement agencies) to accomplish it. The one thing I do know is that our Military was not designed to be a law enforcement agency and that attempting to use it as one carries numerous public relations and constitutional problems.

That being said, I think it's worth exploring deploying selected military assets for BORDER ENFORCEMENT since defending our borders is a core mission of the armed forces and the military knows exactly how to defend a line in the sand.

Again…putting boots on the ground won’t be the problem…Clearing a pathway through the bureaucracy will be….Like I said, think of martial law as less of physical practice with troops and more of a legal instrument to be used by the Commander…Under the declaration the Commander is granted the ability to make and enforce HIS own laws, this allows him to avoid all the bureaucracy and bullshit.

Further…we have troops in NYC and Chicago patrolling the subways systems right now…why haven’t pussified Republicans bitched about that? Why haven’t Democrats? I wonder if it’s because they know it’s the right thing to do for good real core Americans.
As far as what our troops are trained to do…you may be projecting there as well…Our troops patrolled the streets of Iraq and Afghanistan for decades.

 

[BrokeLoser]

You are the only 1 talking about 50 million deportations

Well what’s your made up number…how many should we aim to deport?
These are questions most people avoid for some reason.

Look, if you don’t really want anything done but you want to pretend you do just say so and I’ll get on-board with that…I like playing pretend, it’s fun. That’s what pussified conservatives have done for decades.

 

[BrokeLoser]

How many election cycles does your plan cancel?

Sorry, what does that mean?

 

[Billiejeens]

Sorry, what does that mean?

Will there be elections in 2026, 2028, 2030?

Or will those be canceled while your plan goes forward?

 

[NetJedi]

Or maybe they’re just that fed up like all good real Americans are, maybe they’ve finally recognized the magnitude of the problem, maybe they’re no longer willing to dumb themselves down and play pretend…Maybe they actually do support a ZERO limitations effort used for mass deportations.

ZERO limitations effort used for mass deportation is one thing, trying to turn the military into a nationwide law enforcement agency is a completely different (and far more radical) question. There's no reason Congress Critters should be reticent about publicly debating the pros and cons of such a move since as I've said the potential negative consequences for both the GOP and future public policy are enormous.

Instead of calling Senator Paul to the carpet the GOP should be thanking him for having the courage to air his very valid concerns publicly, nothing would a sharper contrast between the GOP and the Democrats than that. Since the Democrats are the ones that move immediately to shut down any dissent in the ranks no matter how valid that dissent is (Just ask Tulsi Gabbard).

Again…putting boots on the ground won’t be the problem…Clearing a pathway through the bureaucracy will be….Like I said, think of martial law as less of physical practice with troops and more of a legal instrument to be used by the Commander…Under the declaration the Commander is granted the ability to make and enforce HIS own laws, this allows him to avoid all the bureaucracy and bullshit.

Further…we have troops in NYC and Chicago patrolling the subways systems right now…why haven’t pussified Republicans bitched about that? Why haven’t Democrats? I wonder if it’s because they know it’s the right thing to do for good real core Americans.
As far as what our troops are trained to do…you may be projecting there as well…Our troops patrolled the streets of Iraq and Afghanistan for decades.

It's not as simple as you believe it to be, for starters the Posse Comitatus act of 1878 requires that legislation be passed authorizing it, secondly public perception should be an enormous concern for the new Administration, I don't about You but I don't want the military roaming around my neighborhood kicking down doors no matter how justified the cause and I suspect many Americans will feel the same way. I'm sure there will also be a plethora of legal challenges from the left that would tie up such a move for months or years, effectively putting deportation efforts into a holding pattern.

Why not just revitalize ICE and use the other law enforcement resources at the disposal of DHS in conjunction with it to accomplish the mission? I suspect Tom Homan knows exactly how to accomplish this mission using the law enforcement resources at the disposal of DHS.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Will there be elections in 2026, 2028, 2030?

Or will those be canceled while your plan goes forward?

Sorry, I’m not understanding how elections are tied to mass deportations.
Are you thinking elections are canceled while under a declaration of martial law?

 

[BrokeLoser]

ZERO limitations effort used for mass deportation is one thing, trying to turn the military into a nationwide law enforcement agency is a completely different (and far more radical) question. There's no reason Congress Critters should be reticent about publicly debating the pros and cons of such a move since as I've said the potential negative consequences for both the GOP and future public policy are enormous.

Instead of calling Senator Paul to the carpet the GOP should be thanking him for having the courage to air his very valid concerns publicly, nothing would a sharper contrast between the GOP and the Democrats than that. Since the Democrats are the ones that move immediately to shut down any dissent in the ranks no matter how valid that dissent is (Just ask Tulsi Gabbard).

It's not as simple as you believe it to be, for starters the Posse Comitatus act of 1878 requires that legislation be passed authorizing it, secondly public perception should be an enormous concern for the new Administration, I don't about You but I don't want the military roaming around my neighborhood kicking down doors no matter how justified the cause and I suspect many Americans will feel the same way. I'm sure there will also be a plethora of legal challenges from the left that would tie up such a move for months or years, effectively putting deportation efforts into a holding pattern.

Why not just revitalize ICE and use the other law enforcement resources at the disposal of DHS in conjunction with it to accomplish the mission? I suspect Tom Homan knows exactly how to accomplish this mission using the law enforcement resources at the disposal of DHS.

ZERO limitations effort used for mass deportation is one thing, trying to turn the military into a nationwide law enforcement agency is a completely different (and far more radical) question. There's no reason Congress Critters should be reticent about publicly debating the pros and cons of such a move since as I've said the potential negative consequences for both the GOP and future public policy are enormous.

You’re downplaying the magnitude of the immigration problem…I think you and those who share your passive position have simply refused to understand or acknowledge that radical shit requires radical measures to fix it…30-50 illegals within our borders is radical shit.

Instead of calling Senator Paul to the carpet the GOP should be thanking him for having the courage to air his very valid concerns publicly, nothing would a sharper contrast between the GOP and the Democrats than that. Since the Democrats are the ones that move immediately to shut down any dissent in the ranks no matter how valid that dissent is (Just ask Tulsi Gabbard).

Rand Paul has a right to the public square like everyone does, I’m not saying otherwise, I simply think his position needs to be challenged and debated right now in public with his constituents and Laken Riley’s parents present.

It's not as simple as you believe it to be, for starters the Posse Comitatus act of 1878 requires that legislation be passed authorizing it, secondly public perception should be an enormous concern for the new Administration, I don't about You but I don't want the military roaming around my neighborhood kicking down doors no matter how justified the cause and I suspect many Americans will feel the same way.

Martial law stays posse comitatus…the point is moot.
I think you couldn’t be more wrong…those of us actually living in or near sanctuary shitholes full of Mexico’s people would happily invite such an imposition…we know and understand such as a necessary evil, we understand that solving big problems always leads to some collateral damage.

I'm sure there will also be a plethora of legal challenges from the left that would tie up such a move for months or years, effectively putting deportation efforts into a holding pattern.

That’s going to happen either way all the way through it…SCOTUS will have to get involved

Why not just revitalize ICE and use the other law enforcement resources at the disposal of DHS in conjunction with it to accomplish the mission? I suspect Tom Homan knows exactly how to accomplish this mission using the law enforcement resources at the disposal of DHS.

Why wasn’t that done in 2016 when Trump had both chambers?

 

[Billiejeens]

Sorry, I’m not understanding how elections are tied to mass deportations.
Are you thinking elections are canceled while under a declaration of martial law?

I am not thinking anything.

I am asking about your plan