Today, Mitt Romney Lost the Election

[Maple]

This is an utter disaster for Romney.

Oh I doubt it. My guess is that 53% of the population agree with him. I know I sure as hell do

If you agree with Romney's denouncement of and disengagement from those who have fallen onto hard times it follows that you would approve of his withdrawal of all financial aid to the poor and allow them to slide all the way into homeless and destitute poverty. That will add many more millions to our already swollen homeless and destitute population, which eventually will lead to a dramatic increase in the crime rate, which will result in increased need for police protection and prison space, both of which which are extremely costly. So you can pay at one end or at the other.

Since you agree with Romney, whose announced intention is to ignore the poor, can you suggest some way to avoid the obvious and unavoidable consequence laid out above?

The poor are not going to just disappear because Romney turns away from them. There will be increasing millions of them living on the streets. And they will be hungry. And pissed off.

Disengagement, that's a big word for such an underinformed voter to be making. Did you know that Romney gave away all of his inheritance to charity? Did you know that he took no income for his tenure as Governor, did you also know that he took no money for his brilliant turn-around of the winter olympics in 2002? I didn't think so. Did you also know that your benevolent President, ( Obama) has yet to send a dime of his millions to help his brother who lives in a tar paper shack in Kenya? See 2016, and get informed, his brother who looks a lot like Obama is interviewed in this documentary.

There already are increasing millions of the poor living on the streets because of Obama's economic policies.

 

[Harry Dresden]

It is the Good Guy's chorus of True Americans that condemns both the far right and the far left when they do it. You know, Frank, we have a lot of scum bags in our far right that we are going to have to purge (NDAA?) when Romney is elected, along with terrorists of our far left.

come on Jake.....you know there are no bad guys on the Left....ask Dean and "Truth"....they will tell you.....

 

[P@triot]

Stating that FORTY SEVEN percent of Americans do not pay INCOME TAXES* and are dependent on government for everything is way beyond WRONG.


*Like the RWNs, Romney appears not to realize there are many, many taxes apart form income taxes. We know he avoids paying income tax when ever possible. Struggling by on 4 million instead of 5 million a year isn't his "style".

Romney is a boldface liar. His entire platform is structured on fabricated premises. Unfortunately a large percentage of American voters are either too ignorant to understand what Romney represents or they are sufficiently weak-minded as to be effectively brainwashed by right-wing propaganda.

you can say the same thing about all those brainwashed by Left-Wing propaganda......let me guess which ass you have your tongue in....

 

[Harry Dresden]

And some to the far right aim at the immigrant, the Jew, the Mexican, and the African American, and the Muslim.

Quite right. What it distills to is a great many politically unsophisticated but angry and aggressive people who are looking for a direction in which to discharge their hostility. And Romney has presented them with a category which broadly, and subtly, encompasses each of the sub-categories you've indicated.

He has deftly and tactfully pointed a finger at the category which he tacitly implies is responsible for America's problems -- and I'm getting whiff of Karl Rove behind the drapes.

and to top it off we have a President who said to a group of Latinos out here...."Republicans....(which im sure includes many of those Seniors your talking about) are your enemies"......when we all know,to the great majority of Republicans, they are not.....what a choice we have.....an out of touch rich guy and a divider.....

 

[Care4all]

Today, Mitt Romney Lost the Election



You can mark my prediction now: A secret recording from a closed-door Mitt Romney fundraiser, released today by David Corn at Mother Jones, has killed Mitt Romney's campaign for president.


On the tape, Romney explains that his electoral strategy involves writing off nearly half the country as unmoveable Obama voters. As Romney explains, 47 percent of Americans "believe that they are victims." He laments: "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."


So what's the upshot? "My job is not to worry about those people," he says. He also notes, describing President Obama's base, "These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax."


This is an utter disaster for Romney.


Romney already has trouble relating to the public and convincing people he cares about them. Now, he's been caught on video saying that nearly half the country consists of hopeless losers.


Romney has been vigorously denying President Obama's claims that his tax plan would raise taxes on the middle class. Now, he's been caught on video suggesting that low- and middle-income Americans are undertaxed.


(That one is especially problematic given the speculation about what's on Mitt's unreleased pre-2010 tax returns.)




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LOLOLOLOLOL, Again another underinformed voter. Let me educate you, 47% of Americans do not pay any Federal Income tax, they may pay state and local taxes but not federal income taxes. Of that 47% there are maybe 20-25% who would rather that YOU paid for all of their needs. It's not that they can't work, it;s that they won't as long as "you" are paying. You know people like this, you have to or you live in a cave. They know how to work the system, they make a full time job out of working the system. NO, these people will not vote for Romney as he will make these ABLE BODIED people EARN IT. Of course, EARNING IT, might very well be a foriegn concept to you.

wasn't the report on 47% of individuals owing no income taxes for the people who WORK for a living or worked for a living if retired seniors, and file income taxes with the irs?

so what and whom are you Whining about? sheesh....

 

[Harry Dresden]

good grief..all that huh

How do you think it comes about? Or maybe you think recent history is fiction.

Keep one thing in mind; the German people of that era were no less civilized and no less intellectually developed than are today's Americans -- in fact some would say they were more civilized and intelligent.

In Germany the demagogue directed the anger of the economically depressed public at such factions as communists, homosexuals, and Jews. Today we are hearing a presidential candidate directing anger toward the poor and disenfranchised.

It comes about because assholes just like you think that "personality" is what makes leadership. So instead of a qualified candidate like Mitt Romney, assholes just like you vote in a Hitler or Obama (because of their "personality"), and BAM! You wake up in Nazi, Germany. Thanks for being one of the fucking assholes voting on personality, you ignorant fuck...

Rotti.....i think you just made Meatball Mikes Dead to me list....

 

[candycorn]

He's one of those guys who thinks the more profanity he uses the more intimidating he can be. As if he's going to do anything about it.

Oh yeah - your panties are definitely in a bunch about Obama going home for good in a couple of months!

Aww... is the poor little parasite about to lose his socialist gravy train? We're all shedding tears for you parasite

Really?

How about this. A friendly bet bitch.

Obama wins, you stop posting.
Romney wins, I stop posting.

Not scared are you dickweed?

Lets bet.

I'm sure you'll back off....typical GOP pussy.

 

[Care4all]

WHY is it that you all defend Romney for taking and using every loophole or tax write off or tax credit that was within the law to lower his tax obligation, while putting down and belittling those in the lower incomes for doing the same?

can any of you explain that to me?

 

[CBaker]

Earlier this evening Ed had a vote if Romney should apologize for his comments. So naturally I voted, but the vote could only be cast yes/no.

I did vote yes, but honestly, I wanted to vote no. Only, because if, and that is a BIG IF, Romney did apologize it would not be sincere. He would be talking without saying anything. An apology that is insincere is nothing.

Our Mr. Romney needs to only continue what he is doing and live in that place that is somewhere over the rainbow, where he remains out of touch with the real world.

Sincerely,
Cindy Baker
Texas ...(soon to be a Blue State,I hope)

 

[MikeK]

Again another underinformed voter. Let me educate you, 47% of Americans do not pay any Federal Income tax, they may pay state and local taxes but not federal income taxes. Of that 47% there are maybe 20-25% who would rather that YOU paid for all of their needs. It's not that they can't work, it;s that they won't as long as "you" are paying. You know people like this, you have to or you live in a cave. They know how to work the system, they make a full time job out of working the system. NO, these people will not vote for Romney as he will make these ABLE BODIED people EARN IT. Of course, EARNING IT, might very well be a foriegn concept to you.

You are talking about the ever-present "ten percent." But for one reason or other you prefer to believe every one of your fellow citizens who have come to rely on government assistance (food stamps, etc.) to make it from day to day are "working the system" and prefer living that way to working. But you are ignoring events of the recent past, such as the crimes of Wall Street manipulators who have looted pension systems, the bankers who have made millions homeless through sub-prime mortgage scams, and corporations which have exported jobs and caused the stagnation of wages for the past three decades. These are the main causes of the current financial crisis which has impoverished those millions of your fellow citizens whom you denounce as slackers. These people are not "ten percenters." They wish to lead productive, dignified lives, but there are no jobs for them.

They are victims of the crime of the century. The looting of the American economy.

 

[Harry Dresden]

He's one of those guys who thinks the more profanity he uses the more intimidating he can be. As if he's going to do anything about it.

Oh yeah - your panties are definitely in a bunch about Obama going home for good in a couple of months!

Aww... is the poor little parasite about to lose his socialist gravy train? We're all shedding tears for you parasite

Really?

How about this. A friendly bet bitch.

Obama wins, you stop posting.
Romney wins, I stop posting.

Not scared are you dickweed?

Lets bet.

I'm sure you'll back off....typical GOP pussy.

thats getting kinda drastic dont you think Candy?.......how about just for a few weeks.....like yas or hate yas we need both of yas here..........

 

[candycorn]

Oh yeah - your panties are definitely in a bunch about Obama going home for good in a couple of months!

Aww... is the poor little parasite about to lose his socialist gravy train? We're all shedding tears for you parasite

Really?

How about this. A friendly bet bitch.

Obama wins, you stop posting.
Romney wins, I stop posting.

Not scared are you dickweed?

Lets bet.

I'm sure you'll back off....typical GOP pussy.

thats getting kinda drastic dont you think Candy?.......how about just for a few weeks.....like yas or hate yas we need both of yas here..........

Hey Harry,

I have the same bet with 3 other posters so.....in for a penny.....Hey if he wants to hedge his bets, I'll be willing to listen to alternatives such as just his sig line vs. my entire posting privileges. Thats how confident I am. I wonder how confident he is.

 

[Bfgrn]

 

[Bfgrn]

telling it like it is takes balls... something obama will never have.

You lefties kill me.

You hang on every syllable and wait for something 'offensive' and then you ejaculate all over each other when you think you got what you were waiting for.

Go ahead... get back to your circle-jerk.

The rest of us will worry about 16 trillion in debt, and china using our interest payments to fund their military capabilities.

Have a nut, girls.

Telling it like it is? FALSE...

If there is a citizenry on this planet that does NOT have an entitlement mentality, it is the American people. What Romney said is a gross insult and reveals a dangerous mindset. He reeks of contempt for middle class working people and the poor.

Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percent of the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.

Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64. Seven out of the 9 percentage points go for one of these four purposes.

80 percent of the workforce has seen their wages decline in real terms over the last quarter-century, and the average household has seen 40 percent of its wealth disappear during the Great Recession. Through it all, families never asked for a handout from anyone, especially Washington. They were left to go on their own, working harder, squeezing nickels, and taking care of themselves. But their economic boats have been taking on water for years, and now the crisis has swamped millions of middle class families. ref ref

 

[JakeStarkey]

They are both dividers.

And some to the far right aim at the immigrant, the Jew, the Mexican, and the African American, and the Muslim.

Quite right. What it distills to is a great many politically unsophisticated but angry and aggressive people who are looking for a direction in which to discharge their hostility. And Romney has presented them with a category which broadly, and subtly, encompasses each of the sub-categories you've indicated.

He has deftly and tactfully pointed a finger at the category which he tacitly implies is responsible for America's problems -- and I'm getting whiff of Karl Rove behind the drapes.

and to top it off we have a President who said to a group of Latinos out here...."Republicans....(which im sure includes many of those Seniors your talking about) are your enemies"......when we all know,to the great majority of Republicans, they are not.....what a choice we have.....an out of touch rich guy and a divider.....

 

[Bfgrn]

They are both dividers.

Quite right. What it distills to is a great many politically unsophisticated but angry and aggressive people who are looking for a direction in which to discharge their hostility. And Romney has presented them with a category which broadly, and subtly, encompasses each of the sub-categories you've indicated.

He has deftly and tactfully pointed a finger at the category which he tacitly implies is responsible for America's problems -- and I'm getting whiff of Karl Rove behind the drapes.

and to top it off we have a President who said to a group of Latinos out here...."Republicans....(which im sure includes many of those Seniors your talking about) are your enemies"......when we all know,to the great majority of Republicans, they are not.....what a choice we have.....an out of touch rich guy and a divider.....

Karl Rove behind the drapes? When does Mitt Romney take personal responsibility for what HE SAYS? I warned you Jake, the Paul Ryan choice as VP was the canary in the mineshaft. Romney has no intention of dragging the GOP to the center. He is wallowing in the cesspool of what the GOP is and has become in this country.

And as for President Obama's comments to Latinos. What do you think he should say? The people who want to deport you, profile and pull you over because of your heritage, and vehemently support white supremacist despots like Joe Arpaio are your friends?

It amazes me how ignorant people are who believe Latinos don't know what is going on, and should just believe the bullshit words and ignore the actions.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You can duck all you want, lefty luke, both candidates are dividers.

 

[rightwinger]

Other than write off the 47% as a group that is not going to vote for him anyway, what has Romney proposed that is going to reduce that 47% to a point where people have disposable income that can be taxed?

Now I know that conservatives just say..."Tax them whether they can afford it or not", but Romney is not that stupid. The key to the 47% is not that these people are on welfare but that they are working, working hard and not seeing the fruit of their labor. If you work 40 hours a week, struggle to pay the rent, groceries, a ten year old car, insurance and god forbid, someone in your family gets sick ...there is not much left over to tax

We need to go back to investing in our middle class. Provide low cost education, low cost healthcare, affordable housing, jobs training, child care....all to help people get out of that 47%

 

[Harry Dresden]

telling it like it is takes balls... something obama will never have.

You lefties kill me.

You hang on every syllable and wait for something 'offensive' and then you ejaculate all over each other when you think you got what you were waiting for.

Go ahead... get back to your circle-jerk.

The rest of us will worry about 16 trillion in debt, and china using our interest payments to fund their military capabilities.

Have a nut, girls.

Telling it like it is? FALSE...

f there is a citizenry on this planet that does NOT have an entitlement mentality, it is the American people. What Romney said is a gross insult and reveals a dangerous mindset. He reeks of contempt for middle class working people and the poor.

Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percent of the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.

Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64. Seven out of the 9 percentage points go for one of these four purposes.

80 percent of the workforce has seen their wages decline in real terms over the last quarter-century, and the average household has seen 40 percent of its wealth disappear during the Great Recession. Through it all, families never asked for a handout from anyone, especially Washington. They were left to go on their own, working harder, squeezing nickels, and taking care of themselves. But their economic boats have been taking on water for years, and now the crisis has swamped millions of middle class families. ref ref

f there is a citizenry on this planet that does NOT have an entitlement mentality, it is the American people

you havent been to California i see.....not all....but there are Legions out here with that Mentality.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

They are both dividers.

Quite right. What it distills to is a great many politically unsophisticated but angry and aggressive people who are looking for a direction in which to discharge their hostility. And Romney has presented them with a category which broadly, and subtly, encompasses each of the sub-categories you've indicated.

He has deftly and tactfully pointed a finger at the category which he tacitly implies is responsible for America's problems -- and I'm getting whiff of Karl Rove behind the drapes.

and to top it off we have a President who said to a group of Latinos out here...."Republicans....(which im sure includes many of those Seniors your talking about) are your enemies"......when we all know,to the great majority of Republicans, they are not.....what a choice we have.....an out of touch rich guy and a divider.....

and they are both just preaching to their own choirs.....