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To those of you that hate Israel and love Hamas...
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healthmyths
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WAKE UP??? YOU dummy!
FACTS not guesses!
IT WAS A MISTAKE! GEEZ but think it was ON purpose? Why do dummies like you think that?
If Israel hated USA enough to attack the USS Liberty,
why would the USA continue to donate to Israel after 6/8/1967 the Liberty mistake?
To date, the United States has provided Israel $146 billion (current, or noninflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance and missile defense funding.
Israel apologized for the attack, saying that USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship. Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity.
USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia
994: IRAQ-HUMANITARIAN MISSION
One of the worst self-inflicted losses in U.S. military history occurred in April 1994, when F-15 fighters shot down two U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopters in the “no fly” zone over northern Iraq. Twenty-six people were killed, including 15 Americans, military officers from Britain, France and Turkey and five Kurdish workers. They were supporting U.N. humanitarian relief efforts on behalf of Kurds in the aftermath of the Persian Gulf War. The F-15 pilots thought the Black Hawks were Iraqi craft violating the restricted zone.
Nine British soldiers were killed on Feb. 17, 1991, when two U.S. Air Force A-10 attack aircraft fired on their armored personnel carriers in southern Iraq, mistaking it for an Iraqi target the Americans were trying to destroy 13 miles to the east. In all, 35 Americans and nine British troops were killed by friendly fire in the Gulf War.
The long, unfortunate history of friendly fire accidents in U.S. conflicts
The deaths of five Americans killed in a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan stand as a fresh reminder of the dangers of friendly fire, an element of war that is older than the nation.
www.pbs.org
healthmyths
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OH we must forgive these 3 billionaires for making billions when they could have built with USA money "Iron dome" equivalents or by not allowing Hamas to build underground under schools, hospitals, etc.Why are there no protections for Palestinians in the West Bank?
Human rights in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory
Stay up to date on the state of human rights in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory with the latest research, campaigns and education material from Amnesty International.www.amnesty.org
Come on why are you people so quick to excuse these evil people that have modesty rules like Some Muslim women wear full-body garments that only expose the eyes, although there is no Quranic text requiring this extreme. Some cover every part of the body except their face and hands.
LibGuides: Women in Islam and Muslim Realms: Dress Code
Research resources for the study of women in Islam; Islam and its ideology dealing with women, Muslim feminism, dress code, family and marriage, women and gender in Islam, etc.
healthmyths
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AND Israel admitted a terrible mistake! NO QUESTION!View attachment 1051624
Men killed in USS Liberty attack
If Americans Knew is dedicated to providing Americans with everything they need to know about Israel and Palestine.ifamericansknew.org
That site's domain is "ifamericansknew.org" it should be changed to "ifamericanscared.org" because anyone can know if they look, but not anyone can care.
Israel apologized for the attack, saying that USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship.[5]Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity.
USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia
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The attack on USS Liberty was not an accident as any honest review of the case will reveal. What's also not an accident is your disloyalty to your country and that's because you are weak and find it easier to play the Zionist game, be a little pawn in their propaganda, such cowardice and you pretend to be an American? a patriots?WAKE UP??? YOU dummy!
FACTS not guesses!
IT WAS A MISTAKE! GEEZ but think it was ON purpose? Why do dummies like you think that?
If Israel hated USA enough to attack the USS Liberty,
why would the USA continue to donate to Israel after 6/8/1967 the Liberty mistake?
To date, the United States has provided Israel $146 billion (current, or noninflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance and missile defense funding.
Israel apologized for the attack, saying that USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship. Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity.
USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
994: IRAQ-HUMANITARIAN MISSION
One of the worst self-inflicted losses in U.S. military history occurred in April 1994, when F-15 fighters shot down two U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopters in the “no fly” zone over northern Iraq. Twenty-six people were killed, including 15 Americans, military officers from Britain, France and Turkey and five Kurdish workers. They were supporting U.N. humanitarian relief efforts on behalf of Kurds in the aftermath of the Persian Gulf War. The F-15 pilots thought the Black Hawks were Iraqi craft violating the restricted zone.
Nine British soldiers were killed on Feb. 17, 1991, when two U.S. Air Force A-10 attack aircraft fired on their armored personnel carriers in southern Iraq, mistaking it for an Iraqi target the Americans were trying to destroy 13 miles to the east. In all, 35 Americans and nine British troops were killed by friendly fire in the Gulf War.
But of course YOU don't admit the US made mistakes like this and yet you won't accept Israel's apology for the USS Liberty mistake! Totally ignorant of realities of war!The long, unfortunate history of friendly fire accidents in U.S. conflicts
The deaths of five Americans killed in a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan stand as a fresh reminder of the dangers of friendly fire, an element of war that is older than the nation.
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Stryder50
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You stupid neo-Nazi asswipe!
I know more about Islam/Muslims than you ever will, it appears.
1) Note my use of "Jihadists" (=Fundamentalists) which is focused to a portion of Islam/Muslims who believe and do the following, not to all Muslims, thank goodness;
A) Per one of Mohammad's last instructions, True Muslims are to fight all infidels and forever until the whole world, all of mankind, have embraced Islam and become Muslims.
Surah At-Tawbah - 29-39 - Quran.com
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture,1 until they pay the tax,2 willingly submitting, fully humbled."....
Hence a religion intended only for the Arab tribes in the dessert sought global expansion through conquest.
World Map Showing The Spread Of Islam From 622-1700 - Brilliant Maps
Map created by the OER ProjectThe map above is a thematic map showing the historical spread of Islam across different regions and time periods. And if you
brilliantmaps.com
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B) Islamic concepts of Paradise/Heaven present it as one of multiple layers/levels.
A "peaceful" Muslim will barely enter and be given the lowest level(basement) with minimum rewards.
To attain higher level and greater rewards one must be a Holy Warrior (mujaheddin) engaged in Holy War (Jihad), and the more of the infidels you kill, capture, enslave, rape, loot, pillage, conquer, and convert to Islam the higher your level in Paradise and greater the rewards you will receive, such plenty of virgin females to rape and little boys butts to sodomize (Pederasty being a centuries old Arab custom from before Mohammad's time).
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As we go through the Islamic scriptures and view the actions of Muslims over the past 1400 years, it becomes clear that Islam is a religion designed and intended to create perpetual warfare until all of humankind have converted to Islam(or been conquered and subjugated)
Clearly Islam is one of the most 'Satanic' religions foisted upon humanity.
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As for the Jews(Zionists), per the Old Testament of the Bible, their own Torah, and history, it seems the Jews/Hebrews were commanded only to practice their religion as instructed by JHWH, and only occupy a small portion of land as shown by Him, i.e; Israel (Judea, "Palestine").
Jews have no mandate to convert the rest of humanity to Judaism, nor to conquer any more of Earth then what they we directed to nearly 4,000 years ago.
A chunk of land frequently conquered by others and/or from many to most Jews have been expelled, then returned to later, during that 4,000 years span to the present.
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Stryder50
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Casualties from "friendly fire" have been a part of war almost from the beginning!WAKE UP??? YOU dummy!
FACTS not guesses!
IT WAS A MISTAKE! GEEZ but think it was ON purpose? Why do dummies like you think that?
If Israel hated USA enough to attack the USS Liberty,
why would the USA continue to donate to Israel after 6/8/1967 the Liberty mistake?
To date, the United States has provided Israel $146 billion (current, or noninflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance and missile defense funding.
Israel apologized for the attack, saying that USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship. Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity.
USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia
994: IRAQ-HUMANITARIAN MISSION
One of the worst self-inflicted losses in U.S. military history occurred in April 1994, when F-15 fighters shot down two U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopters in the “no fly” zone over northern Iraq. Twenty-six people were killed, including 15 Americans, military officers from Britain, France and Turkey and five Kurdish workers. They were supporting U.N. humanitarian relief efforts on behalf of Kurds in the aftermath of the Persian Gulf War. The F-15 pilots thought the Black Hawks were Iraqi craft violating the restricted zone.
Nine British soldiers were killed on Feb. 17, 1991, when two U.S. Air Force A-10 attack aircraft fired on their armored personnel carriers in southern Iraq, mistaking it for an Iraqi target the Americans were trying to destroy 13 miles to the east. In all, 35 Americans and nine British troops were killed by friendly fire in the Gulf War.
But of course YOU don't admit the US made mistakes like this and yet you won't accept Israel's apology for the USS Liberty mistake! Totally ignorant of realities of war!The long, unfortunate history of friendly fire accidents in U.S. conflicts
The deaths of five Americans killed in a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan stand as a fresh reminder of the dangers of friendly fire, an element of war that is older than the nation.
gipper
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Dumb as always. You know nothing that is accurate. Stop your bigotry and hate you dumb MFer.You stupid neo-Nazi asswipe!
I know more about Islam/Muslims than you ever will, it appears.
1) Note my use of "Jihadists" (=Fundamentalists) which is focused to a portion of Islam/Muslims who believe and do the following, not to all Muslims, thank goodness;
A) Per one of Mohammad's last instructions, True Muslims are to fight all infidels and forever until the whole world, all of mankind, have embraced Islam and become Muslims.
Surah At-Tawbah - 29-39 - Quran.com
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture,1 until they pay the tax,2 willingly submitting, fully humbled."
....
Hence a religion intended only for the Arab tribes in the dessert sought global expansion through conquest.
Actually this map is only partial. Some areas taken, then lost, such as parts in Eastern Europe are not shown. And there are areas after 1700 such more of Africa and SE Asia.World Map Showing The Spread Of Islam From 622-1700 - Brilliant Maps
Map created by the OER ProjectThe map above is a thematic map showing the historical spread of Islam across different regions and time periods. And if you
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B) Islamic concepts of Paradise/Heaven present it as one of multiple layers/levels.
A "peaceful" Muslim will barely enter and be given the lowest level(basement) with minimum rewards.
To attain higher level and greater rewards one must be a Holy Warrior (mujaheddin) engaged in Holy War (Jihad), and the more of the infidels you kill, capture, enslave, rape, loot, pillage, conquer, and convert to Islam the higher your level in Paradise and greater the rewards you will receive, such plenty of virgin females to rape and little boys butts to sodomize (Pederasty being a centuries old Arab custom from before Mohammad's time).
....................
As we go through the Islamic scriptures and view the actions of Muslims over the past 1400 years, it becomes clear that Islam is a religion designed and intended to create perpetual warfare until all of humankind have converted to Islam(or been conquered and subjugated)
Clearly Islam is one of the most 'Satanic' religions foisted upon humanity.
.................
As for the Jews(Zionists), per the Old Testament of the Bible, their own Torah, and history, it seems the Jews/Hebrews were commanded only to practice their religion as instructed by JHWH, and only occupy a small portion of land as shown by Him, i.e; Israel (Judea, "Palestine").
Jews have no mandate to convert the rest of humanity to Judaism, nor to conquer any more of Earth then what they we directed to nearly 4,000 years ago.
A chunk of land frequently conquered by others and/or from many to most Jews have been expelled, then returned to later, during that 4,000 years span to the present.
Stop supporting a murderous Zionist apartheid regime. Traitor!
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It proves how easily the elite can dupe millions with propaganda.
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No. It’s mass murder dumb ass.
healthmyths
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So where is your proof that Israel's admission of a mistake is FALSE? Prove it.
Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded
the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity.
None of Israel's accusers can explain why Israel would deliberately attack an American ship at a time when the United States was Israel's only friend and supporter in the world.
Confusion in a long line of communications, which occurred in a tense atmosphere on both the American and Israeli sides (five messages from the Joint Chiefs of Staff for the ship to remain at least 25 miles - the last four said 100 miles - off the Egyptian coast arrived after the attack was over) is a more probable explanation.
Did Israel deliberately attack the USS Liberty?
Mitchell Bard's personal web site
www.mitchellbard.com
So Sherlock... where is your proof that Israel would be attacking a ship of the ONLY friend of Israel and supporter was the USA?
Both sides consider their objectives to be more important than the safety of civilians.FACTS NOT your totally BIASED UNIFORMED opinions! Get grown up and deal with FACTS!
So tell me if Israel is "grabbing Gaza land" why then did they do this?
FACTS!!!
In 1993, as part of the Oslo Accords, the Palestine Liberation Organization and Israel agreed to an outline for Palestinians to self-govern in the Palestinian territories.
In 1994, Israel withdrew from Gaza City and Jericho, giving civilian and city functions to the Palestinian Authority.
Israeli disengagement from the Gaza Strip - Wikipedia
Israel's Disengagement from Gaza and North Samaria (2005)
Israel's plan of unilateral disengagement from the Gaza Strip and North Samaria put forward by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was carried out on 15 August 2005.
The purpose of the plan was to improve Israel's security and international status in the absence of peace negotiations with the Palestinians.
With the implementation of the plan, IDF installations and forces were removed and over 9,000 Israeli citizens living in 25 settlements were evicted.
By 22 September 2005, Israel's withdrawal from the entire Gaza Strip to the 1967 Green Line, and the eviction of the four settlements in Samaria, was completed.
In June 2007 Hamas took over the Gaza Strip from the Palestinian Authority.
Many thousands of rockets and mortar shells have been fired from the Gaza Strip onto southern Israeli towns and villages, terrorizing and destabilizing the lives of hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens.
NOW do you totally understand REALITY and not false information!
So what did the Hamas do after Israel withdrew from Gaza ???
FACTS Dummy from the Hamas!!!
One of Hamas’s goals was simply to kill Israelis—many of them.
The Washington Post reported that instructions found on dead Hamas fighters included, “Kill as many people and take as many hostages as possible.” Among other weapons, Hamas also equipped its fighters with thermobaric grenades, which can quickly cause massive fires in a home. The fighters also had enough ammunition and food to keep going into Israel if they were able to do so, as well as maps, suggesting an even higher death toll was possible.
Why Hamas Attacked When It Did
The October 7 Hamas attacks proved devastating for both Israel and ordinary Palestinians. Why did Hamas decide to attack Israel when it did?www.csis.org
SO DUMMY where is your counter proof? AGAIN I ask a simple question!
Which group considers the safety of their followers:
Sorry but one side acting badly doesn't mean the other side is good. What is underlying the conflict is the right to the land and Israel shows no signs of freezing settlements in the West Bank and their plans for Gaza are unknown.A group lead by 3 billionaires living in safety in Qatar or
A group that protects it's followers against the attack almost 20,000 rockets have hit southern Israel.
Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia
Here is what some Israelis say about the settlements.
Stryder50
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Stop being a fascist neo-Nazi Jew hater and Islamic Jihad supporter you dumb MFer!
And learn some real history.
the watcher
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The Liberty was never meant to make it to port. It was attacked to blind US intelligence to what the Israelis were doing in the 6 day war, and the attack was to be blamed on Egypt, to bring the US into the shitshow. The survivors and others know it was no accident. This is one sailor's story who was on the Little Rock after ut steamed all night ti aid the Liberty. The only mystery here is why the Liberty didn't go down.
"Eventually, the facts about the attack did come out. Though the Liberty displayed a large hull number, dozens of antennas, and a U.S. flag, Israeli recon planes falsely ID'd it as an Egyptian destroyer. They buzzed the ship so low that the Liberty crew could see the pilots' faces. The recon ordered fighter jets that strafed the ship with cannon fire and drenched it with napalm. During the air assault, nine crew members were killed and 60 were wounded.
Three Israeli torpedo boats then took up the attack and first used gunfire, then launched four torpedoes. The crippled Liberty was attempting evasive maneuvers, but one torpedo blew a 39-by-24 foot hole in the starboard side. Twenty-five men died when it hit and scores were wounded." You obviously have no idea what governments are capable of.
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NOTHING!!!!
Home Page - Peace Now
Peace Now's website consists of information on the movement's various activities in Israel, on settlements in the West Bank, on the movement's history etc.
peacenow.org.il
What of the dozens of topics should I click on to learn?
More importantly though is this page: Their mission: Support a strong and secure Israel"
So are you saying "PeaceNow" supports Israel's destruction? Then that's contrary to their organization's documented below mission!
Daniel Pipes is definitely trash.
Which of these actions is meant to bring about peace?
Stryder50
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Some history for context;
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Israel is located in a region known to Jews as the Land of Israel, synonymous with the Palestine region, the Holy Land, and Canaan. In antiquity, it was home to the Canaanite civilization followed by the kingdoms of Israel and Judah.
(According to Jewish history and the Old Testament this land was assigned to them by the "Lord-God" JHWH)
Situated at a continental crossroad, the region experienced demographic changes under the rule of various empires from the Romans to the Ottomans.[23] European antisemitism in the late 19th century galvanized Zionism, which sought a Jewish homeland in Palestine and gained British support. After World War I, Britain occupied the region and established Mandatory Palestine in 1920. Increased Jewish immigration in the leadup to the Holocaust and British colonial policy led to intercommunal conflict between Jews and Arabs,[24][25] which escalated into a civil war in 1947 after the United Nations (UN) proposed partitioning the land between them.
(Note that the United Nations partitioning was the original "two-state solution" which Israel was willing to abide by, but the neighboring Arab/Muslim states would not. Their objective in attacking Israel was to eliminate the nation of Israel and any Jews there, if they didn't flee before being slaughtered. The Arab/Muslim attack and terms invalidated the UN partition plan and made the stakes "all or nothing".
The Arabs/Muslims lost the war and then wanted to "indian givers" back to the origin settlement. Too late, THEY caused that boat to sail away.)
The State of Israel declared its establishment on 14 May 1948. The armies of neighboring Arab states invaded the area of the former Mandate the next day, beginning the First Arab–Israeli War. Subsequent armistice agreements established Israeli control over 77 percent of the former Mandate territory.[26][27][28] The majority of Palestinian Arabs were either expelled or fled in what is known as the Nakba, with those remaining becoming the new state's main minority.[29][30][31] Over the following decades, Israel's population increased greatly as the country received an influx of Jews who emigrated, fled or were expelled from the Muslim world.[32][33] .....
Note that the Jews fled/expelled from the Muslim world almost at same time as Palestinian Arabs left Israel.
{The rest of this Wiki excerpt gets into a Leftist biased text I don't honor with repeating here.}
Israel - Wikipedia
Further History and Context:
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During the 1950s, Israel was frequently attacked by Palestinian fedayeen, nearly always against civilians,[198] mainly from the Egyptian-occupied Gaza Strip,[199] leading to several Israeli reprisal operations. In 1956, the UK and France aimed at regaining control of the Suez Canal, which Egypt had nationalized. The continued blockade of the Suez Canal and Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, together with increasing fedayeen attacks against Israel's southern population and recent Arab threatening statements, prompted Israel to attack Egypt.[200][201][202] Israel joined a secret alliance with the UK and France and overran the Sinai Peninsula in the Suez Crisis but was pressured to withdraw by the UN in return for guarantees of Israeli shipping rights.[203][204][205] The war resulted in significant reduction of Israeli border infiltration.[206]
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In May 1967, Egypt massed its army near the border with Israel, expelled UN peacekeepers stationed in the Sinai Peninsula since 1957, and blocked Israel's access to the Red Sea.[216][217][218] Other Arab states mobilized their forces.[219] Israel reiterated that these actions were a casus belli and launched a pre-emptive strike (Operation Focus) against Egypt in June. Jordan, Syria and Iraq attacked Israel. In the Six-Day War, Israel captured and occupied the West Bank from Jordan, the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, and the Golan Heights from Syria.[220] Jerusalem's boundaries were enlarged, incorporating East Jerusalem. The 1949 Green Line became the administrative boundary between Israel and the occupied territories.[221]
Following the 1967 war and the "Three Nos" resolution of the Arab League, Israel faced attacks from the Egyptians in the Sinai Peninsula during the 1967–1970 War of Attrition, and from Palestinian groups targeting Israelis in the occupied territories, globally, and in Israel. Most important among the Palestinian and Arab groups was the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), established in 1964, which initially committed itself to "armed struggle as the only way to liberate the homeland".[222] In the late 1960s and early 1970s, Palestinian groups launched attacks[223][224] against Israeli and Jewish targets around the world,[225] including a massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich. The Israeli government responded with an assassination campaign against the organizers of the massacre, a bombing and a raid on the PLO headquarters in Lebanon.
On 6 October 1973, the Egyptian and Syrian armies launched a surprise attack against Israeli forces in the Sinai Peninsula and Golan Heights, opening the Yom Kippur War. The war ended on 25 October with Israel repelling Egyptian and Syrian forces but suffering great losses.[226] An internal inquiry exonerated the government of responsibility for failures before and during the war, but public anger forced Prime Minister Golda Meir to resign.[227][better source needed] In July 1976, an airliner was hijacked in flight from Israel to France by Palestinian guerrillas; Israeli commandos rescued 102 of 106 Israeli hostages.
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Israel - Wikipedia
As can be seen, Israel has been under constant attacks and threats of such since it's founding in 1948.
Israel's enemies do not want real peace with Israel and want Israel extinguished.
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