To the Party of God: When did American helping American become "socialism"?

[Jarhead]

They are not virtues by any means.

I hate the greedy.; laugh at the materialistic; and loathe the selfish.

They come in all walks of life and political beliefs.

Sorry, but the right seems to encompass the Lion's share of these traits. I truly don't understand how it meshes with their "christianity"? But, whatever...

Peepers,

You simply refuse to understand the rights thought process.

It is not greed..or materialism....or selfishness....

It is personal responsibility.

We live by it and expect others to as well.

When I was poor and homeless, I did not turn to others for help as I was guided by my ideology...and my ideology worked for me. If someone OFFERED help I may have accepted it...but I NEVER expected it.

I have offered help to many....but I loathe those that expect it from me as they believe it is their right to get it from me.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

No, not at all, I am thinking more on the line of all of us thinking, "damn! look what happened in Florida. Those people really need my help. Those people at helpflorida.com are providing for those victims in South Florida. I think I will send them my donation this month." In the meantime, the people that are helping the disabled in Oregon would see a severe drop in funding and that man will go hungry.

We tend to care about those who are in the news today and forget about those who are hungry in the slums of New Orleans because Katrina happened so long ago.

Immie

Nothing but speculation and assumptions.

Fisrt of all not all of us THINK the same way. Second, no one is starving in the slums of any American city and if they are, well then it's by choice. You do realize the the poor people in this country are also the fattest people in our society. So they are not missing any meals.

Either you believe the government can do a better job (which after many years and billions of dollars later proves they can't) or you believe private charities are better suited. You seem to be stuck on the fence.

No one is starving in the slums of the U.S.?

I can't think of anyone that is starving today, but, I have to ask is that because of the hearts of Americans and especially conservative Americans as those are about whom we speak or is it because of the government programs that feed them today?

If the governmental programs were removed would those people starve? Quite frankly, to hear the way many conservatives speak, I have to think without the government, I think those "lazy, good-for-nothing's" would starve in a month.

Immie

No they wouldn't. If you look back to the time before governmental welfare you will see that folks did just fine. Neighbors helped neighbors, nowadays most folks don't even know who their neighbors are.


The following are facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau, taken from various government reports:

• Fortysix percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a threebedroom house with oneandahalf baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
• Seventysix percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than twothirds have more than two rooms per person.
• The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
• Nearly threequarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.
• Ninetyseven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
• Seventyeight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
• Seventythree percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.

 

[007]

what the government desides is NOT force in our system its called Democracy.

The right needs to stop calling any policy they dont like force.

They have cheated in elections for decades now.

They often win by cheating the people out of their votes.

The left is being FORCED at a much higher rate than any right leaning person in this country is.

Why do liberals insist illegals be allowed to vote in our elections?

Because they know that the less educated and more dependent on hand outs one is, the more likely they are to vote for a socialist libtard. The lazy/worthless/stupid people predominantly vote dem, because they know the dems will redistribute wealth from those that do work to them so they can remain lazy/worthless and stupid.

End of story.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

It is not greed..or materialism....or selfishness....

It is personal responsibility.

Dress it up however you want, it's still greed, materialism and selfishness. You don't want to live in a civilized SOCIETY? Fine, move to Russia or Somalia. The majority of Americans want to take care of our own, and until your protected overlords in the private sector decide to lower themselves to give back to and SUPPORT the very country that allows them to reap billions in profits and GIVE BACK to their country and communities, millions of our citizens will need our help. If we have to "take" it from them, so be it.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

No, not at all, I am thinking more on the line of all of us thinking, "damn! look what happened in Florida. Those people really need my help. Those people at helpflorida.com are providing for those victims in South Florida. I think I will send them my donation this month." In the meantime, the people that are helping the disabled in Oregon would see a severe drop in funding and that man will go hungry.

We tend to care about those who are in the news today and forget about those who are hungry in the slums of New Orleans because Katrina happened so long ago.

Immie

Nothing but speculation and assumptions.

Fisrt of all not all of us THINK the same way. Second, no one is starving in the slums of any American city and if they are, well then it's by choice. You do realize the the poor people in this country are also the fattest people in our society. So they are not missing any meals.

Either you believe the government can do a better job (which after many years and billions of dollars later proves they can't) or you believe private charities are better suited. You seem to be stuck on the fence.

I'm really suppressing the inclination to insult you right now. Because it won't help.

But I will say this, you are entirely wrong. There are LOTS of people suffering from hunger in the United States. And it's not by choice. It's not because they are lazy bums who just want a handout. It's because DESPITE trying hard and wanting to lift themselves up, LIFE circumstances were out of their control.

Maybe a car accident that wasn't their fault (or maybe it was)...losing a job which led to losing a house which led to inability to pay insurance which led to tapping their savings account...

A comment that someone is starving or unemployed because they want to be...I'm sorry I can't hold back. It's arrogant, childish, and totally naive.

For ***** Sake...this is the reason why we can't depend on charity alone....people like you who just want to say "lazy bums wont work! **** em!"

Define LOTS and then back it up with credible data that lots of Americans are starving.


And please, don't try and puts words in my mouth. You have never seen me say "lazy bums wont work! **** em!".

There are frequent charges of widespread hunger and malnutrition in the United States.12 To understand these assertions, it is important, first of all, to distinguish between hunger and the more severe problem of malnutrition. Malnutrition (also called undernutrition) is a condition of reduced health due to a chronic shortage of calories and nutriments. There is little or no evidence of povertyinduced malnutrition in the United States.

Hunger is a far less severe condition: a temporary but real discomfort caused by an empty stomach. The government defines hunger as "the uneasy or painful sensation caused by lack of food."13 While hunger due to a lack of financial resources does occur in the United States, it is limited in scope and duration. According to the USDA, on a typical day, fewer than one American in 200 will experience hunger due to a lack of money to buy food.14 The hunger rate rises somewhat when examined over a longer time period; according to the USDA, some 6.9 million Americans, or 2.4 percent of the population, were hungry at least once during 2002.15 Nearly all hunger in the United States is shortterm and episodic rather than continuous.16

 

[Mr. Peepers]

There is little or no evidence of povertyinduced malnutrition in the United States.

Oh really? We live in a country where the poorest among us are both malnourished and obese. Thanks to Monsanto and their corn subsidies! Let's get the government to subsidize organic, locally grown fruits and veggies instead? Deal? Oh wait, Monsanto would lose some of their billions in profits... bummer. Their profits are the only thing that matters, silly me... I forgot.

Malnutrition And Obesity Increasingly Co-exist In Global Community

 

[Jarhead]

It is not greed..or materialism....or selfishness....

It is personal responsibility.

Dress it up however you want, it's still greed, materialism and selfishness. You don't want to live in a civilized SOCIETY? Fine, move to Russia or Somalia. The majority of Americans want to take care of our own, and until your protected overlords in the private sector decide to lower themselves to give back to and SUPPORT the very country that allows them to reap billions in profits and GIVE BACK to their country and communities, millions of our citizens will need our help. If we have to "take" it from them, so be it.

you have allowed your own selfish emotions take over your ability to reason.

Yes, the majority of Americans want to take care of our own...and those on the right are included in that majority of Americans.
Your problem is you are so wrapped up in the few...the greedy wealthy...that you lose sight of the many...the rest of us...inluding the non greedy wealthy.

Look at the boards of most philanthropies....non greedy caring wealthy.

Look where most of the donations come from...the non greedy wealthy and comfortable.

It is rare you see a poor man donate money (and I would not expect them to).

And for you to say I am "dressing things up"....well...lets just say you aree more selfish than anyone I have ever debated on this board.

You have the attitude that you are the epitome of good and the rest of us are evil neer do wells.

That makes you selfish.

You are an example as to why there is a great divide. You refuse to oppen your mind to those that think diferently than you. You are convinced that yours is the best way and anyone else has evil intentions.

You are truly selfish. I pity you.

 

[Immanuel]

Nothing but speculation and assumptions.

Fisrt of all not all of us THINK the same way. Second, no one is starving in the slums of any American city and if they are, well then it's by choice. You do realize the the poor people in this country are also the fattest people in our society. So they are not missing any meals.

Either you believe the government can do a better job (which after many years and billions of dollars later proves they can't) or you believe private charities are better suited. You seem to be stuck on the fence.

No one is starving in the slums of the U.S.?

I can't think of anyone that is starving today, but, I have to ask is that because of the hearts of Americans and especially conservative Americans as those are about whom we speak or is it because of the government programs that feed them today?

If the governmental programs were removed would those people starve? Quite frankly, to hear the way many conservatives speak, I have to think without the government, I think those "lazy, good-for-nothing's" would starve in a month.

Immie

No they wouldn't. If you look back to the time before governmental welfare you will see that folks did just fine. Neighbors helped neighbors, nowadays most folks don't even know who their neighbors are.


The following are facts about persons defined as "poor" by the Census Bureau, taken from various government reports:

• Fortysix percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a threebedroom house with oneandahalf baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
• Seventysix percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than twothirds have more than two rooms per person.
• The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
• Nearly threequarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.
• Ninetyseven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
• Seventyeight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
• Seventythree percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a third have an automatic dishwasher.

While I see and understand your point of view, I do not agree that in today's world, we care enough about our neighbors to feed them in their times of need. We may talk a good game and things may have, strike that... were different in times past, but I don't think America's heart today is in the same place it was say 50-60 years ago.

I may be wrong and maybe just a bit cynical, but I don't see it. Maybe it is because I have let conservatives on this site convince me that they really do see the poor as lazy bastards who are unwilling to work and that all conservatives really feel that way. I just don't think many of us would feed those who are hungry if not forced to do so.

Call that speculation if you want, but that is how I see America today and I only see things getting worse.

Immie

 

[Steelplate]

They are not virtues by any means.

I hate the greedy.; laugh at the materialistic; and loathe the selfish.

They come in all walks of life and political beliefs.

Sorry, but the right seems to encompass the Lion's share of these traits. I truly don't understand how it meshes with their "christianity"? But, whatever...

It doesn't mesh with Christianity. They are worshiping a false God.

 

[Jarhead]

They are not virtues by any means.

I hate the greedy.; laugh at the materialistic; and loathe the selfish.

They come in all walks of life and political beliefs.

Sorry, but the right seems to encompass the Lion's share of these traits. I truly don't understand how it meshes with their "christianity"? But, whatever...

It doesn't mesh with Christianity. They are worshiping a false God.

I take offense to that.
All wealthy are not greedy. Actually, most are not.

 

[Vanquish]

Nothing but speculation and assumptions.

Fisrt of all not all of us THINK the same way. Second, no one is starving in the slums of any American city and if they are, well then it's by choice. You do realize the the poor people in this country are also the fattest people in our society. So they are not missing any meals.

Either you believe the government can do a better job (which after many years and billions of dollars later proves they can't) or you believe private charities are better suited. You seem to be stuck on the fence.

I'm really suppressing the inclination to insult you right now. Because it won't help.

But I will say this, you are entirely wrong. There are LOTS of people suffering from hunger in the United States. And it's not by choice. It's not because they are lazy bums who just want a handout. It's because DESPITE trying hard and wanting to lift themselves up, LIFE circumstances were out of their control.

Maybe a car accident that wasn't their fault (or maybe it was)...losing a job which led to losing a house which led to inability to pay insurance which led to tapping their savings account...

A comment that someone is starving or unemployed because they want to be...I'm sorry I can't hold back. It's arrogant, childish, and totally naive.

For ***** Sake...this is the reason why we can't depend on charity alone....people like you who just want to say "lazy bums wont work! **** em!"

Define LOTS and then back it up with credible data that lots of Americans are starving.


And please, don't try and puts words in my mouth. You have never seen me say "lazy bums wont work! **** em!".

There are frequent charges of widespread hunger and malnutrition in the United States.12 To understand these assertions, it is important, first of all, to distinguish between hunger and the more severe problem of malnutrition. Malnutrition (also called undernutrition) is a condition of reduced health due to a chronic shortage of calories and nutriments. There is little or no evidence of povertyinduced malnutrition in the United States.

Hunger is a far less severe condition: a temporary but real discomfort caused by an empty stomach. The government defines hunger as "the uneasy or painful sensation caused by lack of food."13 While hunger due to a lack of financial resources does occur in the United States, it is limited in scope and duration. According to the USDA, on a typical day, fewer than one American in 200 will experience hunger due to a lack of money to buy food.14 The hunger rate rises somewhat when examined over a longer time period; according to the USDA, some 6.9 million Americans, or 2.4 percent of the population, were hungry at least once during 2002.15 Nearly all hunger in the United States is shortterm and episodic rather than continuous.16

Dude. I gots statisticks fo days:

Hunger Statistics, Hunger Facts & Poverty Facts | Feeding America

Hunger in America 2010: Hunger Study Statistics | Feeding America

11 Facts About Hunger in the U.S. | Do Something

New USDA Statistics Highlight Growing Hunger Crisis in the U.S. « Did You Know

I could go on and on.

And please, don't try and puts words in my mouth. You have never seen me say "lazy bums wont work! **** em!".

Listen, when you say people are HUNGRY because they choose to be...that's exactly what you're saying.

Here's the exact quote:

Second, no one is starving in the slums of any American city and if they are, well then it's by choice.

So not only do you concede that you might be WRONG about whether there are actually people starving (by saying "if they are..."), but you say it's THEIR CHOICE.

That comment has to be one of the most asinine things I've seen typed on this board. Again, it's the "if we just got rid of the lazy bums, Amurrrikkka would be great again!!"

How arrogant.

 

[WillowTree]

Job bills, education grants and subsidies, targeted tax cuts, job corp, head start, free pubic education to all, pubic supported universities and colleges, internships, vista and Americorp, affirmative acton, GI bill, welfare to work etc. are all means to "teach a man to fish" and all under attack by 'conservatives'.

Q. Why are 'conservatives' myopic?

A. 'Cause greed, hate, fear and bias inhibit rational thought.

sounds grand donut? but when only 50% of working Americans actually throw into the kitty and the other 50 leech it gets kinda old.

 

[Steelplate]

Sorry, but the right seems to encompass the Lion's share of these traits. I truly don't understand how it meshes with their "christianity"? But, whatever...

It doesn't mesh with Christianity. They are worshiping a false God.

I take offense to that.
All wealthy are not greedy. Actually, most are not.

didn't say the wealthy, did I? What I was responding to was "the right", and actually... I have overstepped my bounds a little... I should say, the radical right... that cloaks their Corporatist agenda in the blood of the Lord. Christ was not a Capitalist. God is not a Capitalist. God does not approve of "every man for himself", "I got mine, now you go get yours", etc.

I am glad you are doing well... I am doing pretty OK myself. I have not one bit of envy or animosity that you make 3X the amount I do(as per our PM discussion). I am also glad you take care of your employees the way you do.

But there are many, MANY Companies that don't care.. you are in the minority. Finally, I honestly do believe that most Small Business owners are decent, honest, upright people. But my beef isn't directed to them... My beef goes much bigger, deeper and is most insidious. THAT is where our problems lie... the whole system is geared to them... tax laws favor them, the banking sector favors them and the rigged Trade system favors them... they are robbing us blind and not giving back and it's killing our country.

And the Tea Partiers and the Conservatives want it to continue, they want no regulation, they want No Corporate Taxes, they want them to have free reign to do whatever the hell they want.

Now...Should regulations be modified? Yes... absolutely. they should be made to bolster and encourage small business and limit the power and Monopolistic nature of large conglomerates. But we can't do that, can we? That would be akin to cutting our own throats next election cycle.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I'm really suppressing the inclination to insult you right now. Because it won't help.

But I will say this, you are entirely wrong. There are LOTS of people suffering from hunger in the United States. And it's not by choice. It's not because they are lazy bums who just want a handout. It's because DESPITE trying hard and wanting to lift themselves up, LIFE circumstances were out of their control.

Maybe a car accident that wasn't their fault (or maybe it was)...losing a job which led to losing a house which led to inability to pay insurance which led to tapping their savings account...

A comment that someone is starving or unemployed because they want to be...I'm sorry I can't hold back. It's arrogant, childish, and totally naive.

For ***** Sake...this is the reason why we can't depend on charity alone....people like you who just want to say "lazy bums wont work! **** em!"

Define LOTS and then back it up with credible data that lots of Americans are starving.


And please, don't try and puts words in my mouth. You have never seen me say "lazy bums wont work! **** em!".

Dude. I gots statisticks fo days:

Hunger Statistics, Hunger Facts & Poverty Facts | Feeding America

Hunger in America 2010: Hunger Study Statistics | Feeding America

11 Facts About Hunger in the U.S. | Do Something

New USDA Statistics Highlight Growing Hunger Crisis in the U.S. « Did You Know

I could go on and on.

And please, don't try and puts words in my mouth. You have never seen me say "lazy bums wont work! **** em!".

Listen, when you say people are HUNGRY because they choose to be...that's exactly what you're saying.

Here's the exact quote:

Second, no one is starving in the slums of any American city and if they are, well then it's by choice.

So not only do you concede that you might be WRONG about whether there are actually people starving (by saying "if they are..."), but you say it's THEIR CHOICE.

That comment has to be one of the most asinine things I've seen typed on this board. Again, it's the "if we just got rid of the lazy bums, Amurrrikkka would be great again!!"

How arrogant.

Dude, some of your stats are just plain wrong!

But no where does it say that Americans are starving. What the stats suggest is there are people that are "food insecure".

But one stat that really shows how inaccurate they are is this on:

"In 2009, 65% of adults reported that they had been hungry, but did not eat because they could not afford enough food."

That would mean out of 200 million adults, 130 million did not eat because they couldn't afford food. There is no way in hell that's accurate.

Being hungry doesn't mean you have no food. Hell I'm hungry right now, thank goodness it's almost lunch time.

You should read the links before you post them.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

It doesn't mesh with Christianity. They are worshiping a false God.

I take offense to that.
All wealthy are not greedy. Actually, most are not.

didn't say the wealthy, did I? What I was responding to was "the right", and actually... I have overstepped my bounds a little... I should say, the radical right... that cloaks their Corporatist agenda in the blood of the Lord. Christ was not a Capitalist. God is not a Capitalist. God does not approve of "every man for himself", "I got mine, now you go get yours", etc.

I am glad you are doing well... I am doing pretty OK myself. I have not one bit of envy or animosity that you make 3X the amount I do(as per our PM discussion). I am also glad you take care of your employees the way you do.

But there are many, MANY Companies that don't care.. you are in the minority. Finally, I honestly do believe that most Small Business owners are decent, honest, upright people. But my beef isn't directed to them... My beef goes much bigger, deeper and is most insidious. THAT is where our problems lie... the whole system is geared to them... tax laws favor them, the banking sector favors them and the rigged Trade system favors them... they are robbing us blind and not giving back and it's killing our country.

And the Tea Partiers and the Conservatives want it to continue, they want no regulation, they want No Corporate Taxes, they want them to have free reign to do whatever the hell they want.

Now...Should regulations be modified? Yes... absolutely. they should be made to bolster and encourage small business and limit the power and Monopolistic nature of large conglomerates. But we can't do that, can we? That would be akin to cutting our own throats next election cycle.

Tissue?

 

[Ernie S.]

when in history has private charity ever met the needs of the needy?

NEVER is the answer which is why every country helps its people through government

Wrong again, but thanks for playing.

 

[Ernie S.]

May have already been said, but I didnt feel like reading through pages to find out....

Americans heloing Americans is not socialism...it is American.

Government taking money from Americans and deciding what other Americans to give it to leans towards socialism.

Close, but here's how I feel:
Americans helping Americans is not socialism...it is American.

Government taking money from Americans and deciding what other Americans to give it to is larceny.

 

[Jarhead]

It doesn't mesh with Christianity. They are worshiping a false God.

I take offense to that.
All wealthy are not greedy. Actually, most are not.

didn't say the wealthy, did I? What I was responding to was "the right", and actually... I have overstepped my bounds a little... I should say, the radical right...

I agree about the radical right...but I fear you define radical right as including many I see as far right....t

hat cloaks their Corporatist agenda in the blood of the Lord. Christ was not a Capitalist. God is not a Capitalist. God does not approve of "every man for himself", "I got mine, now you go get yours", etc.

I am glad you are doing well... I am doing pretty OK myself. I have not one bit of envy or animosity that you make 3X the amount I do(as per our PM discussion). I am also glad you take care of your employees the way you do.

I enjoy what I do as you do. The money I make is great and I deem myslef lucky to be good at something that generates a nice income. I do not live on the high horse. I had two goals for my future....to enure my children will never have to work a day in their lives..and to ensure they will never want to take advantage of that....and whereas they will have to work, I am proud to say they would have wanted to anyway.

But there are many, MANY Companies that don't care.. you are in the minority.

I disagree....I am a business planner I can tell you as fact..the vast majority of companies out there are samll businesses...with ethical employers making a nice living and empolyees being well taken care of. My son, out of college, got an offer for 40K plus 75% health benefits covered....look at the empoire state building.....THOUSANDS of small businesses. As for the large companies? Dont blame them. Blame us. You, me, Peepers, and the rest of us. We prefer to buy less expoensive and we allow those larger companies to get larger....but again...they are few and far between...

Finally, I honestly do believe that most Small Business owners are decent, honest, upright people. But my beef isn't directed to them... My beef goes much bigger, deeper and is most insidious. THAT is where our problems lie... the whole system is geared to them... tax laws favor them, the banking sector favors them and the rigged Trade system favors them... they are robbing us blind and not giving back and it's killing our country.

They only affect us if we want them to. I ignore them...and I am quite happy.

And the Tea Partiers and the Conservatives want it to continue, they want no regulation, they want No Corporate Taxes, they want them to have free reign to do whatever the hell they want.

No sir....they are not wrapped up in the few large companies...they want less regulation and no corporate taxes so the SMALL BUSINESSES can thrive...

A good analogy...you dont want welfare and other entitlements so the few can game the game and live off the fat of the land...you want them so those that truly need them can have them...so why are you assuming that the intentions of the right is to benefit the big businesses? Unfortunately, it is a consequence of what the right sees as the overall good...benefiting the SMALL BUSINESSES.

Now...Should regulations be modified? Yes... absolutely. they should be made to bolster and encourage small business and limit the power and Monopolistic nature of large conglomerates. But we can't do that, can we? That would be akin to cutting our own throats next election cycle.

See my comments in red

 

[Mr. Peepers]

You have the attitude that you are the epitome of good and the rest of us are evil neer do wells.

That makes you selfish.

You are an example as to why there is a great divide. You refuse to oppen your mind to those that think diferently than you. You are convinced that yours is the best way and anyone else has evil intentions.

You are truly selfish. I pity you.

Me? Selfish? Oh that's rich. I give to charity and volunteer my time to my community as well as international charities - and I am by no means rich. I do not open my mind to partisan hacks that cannot think for themselves and only spew righty talking points. It isn't on me that you can take a truthful look around at who is REALLY taking this country down... Newsflash... It ain't poor people. At least be a man and own your greed, materialism and selfishness. And yes, the right does indeed have evil intentions, IMO. I see nothing good for all Americans nor our country in ANY of their policies. This country is screwed.

 

[Jarhead]

You have the attitude that you are the epitome of good and the rest of us are evil neer do wells.

That makes you selfish.

You are an example as to why there is a great divide. You refuse to oppen your mind to those that think diferently than you. You are convinced that yours is the best way and anyone else has evil intentions.

You are truly selfish. I pity you.

Me? Selfish? Oh that's rich. I give to charity and volunteer my time to my community as well as international charities - and I am by no means rich. I do not open my mind to partisan hacks that cannot think for themselves and only spew righty talking points. It isn't on me that you can take a truthful look around at who is REALLY taking this country down... Newsflash... It ain't poor people. At least be a man and own your greed, materialism and selfishness. And yes, the right does indeed have evil intentions, IMO. I see nothing good for all Americans nor our country in ANY of their policies. This country is screwed.

you arenot only selfish...you have a serious reading comprehension issue.

I have no doubt you give to charity.

So do I.

But it is your belief that you are the epitome and no one on the right is a "good" as you is what makes you selfish and closed minded.

Thus why you have so much anger. You assume no one is as good as you..and you so much wish everyone was...but as you say.....no one has the same giving ideology as you...you are the epitome and no one is good enough for you.

Thus...you are quite selfish.....and quite pathetic....

Oh yeah...and ironicaly....quite jealous.