To Save the Schools, We Must Change the Social Contract

That's no bingo chump. I voted Trump in 2016 and will vote again in 2020. Search my name and see where I stand.
I'm saying you sound like drones....like Leftists sound WHEN THEY TALK "ORANGE MAN BAD"

As always, when fakers fail, the first thing they do is start slinging the insults. NEVER fails. it clearly shows their lack of character.
Your argument "seems" to be that ALL teachers in public schools are good and upstanding.
That is laughable at best. But sad at the same time that anyone would think that.

If you in fact voted Trump, I will at least give you that. Most of the liberal teachers I know were staunch Hillary supporters. And ALL are very ignorant outside of the narrow field of their own textbook schooling. Unfortunate.

We do indeed need to "fix" the Public schools system.
How do you plan on fixing the Public school system? I personally am for school choice...always have been. Public schools should be able to choose what students they accept and keep....just like private schools get to. Also, they should be able to REQUIRE parents to volunteer a certain amount at the school per month...like many Private schools do.

I'm for school choice too, even including vouchers. However if private schools take voucher money than they should be beholden to take the same student population that public schools take. They can enforce an exit plan, but they should be open to a diverse population.
 
I don't care if you think I'm faking. I'm not. That's first.

Second, do not put arguments in my mouth. You said there are "no great teachers". Because you said that does NOT mean that *I* said "ALL" teachers in public schools are good and upstanding.

You have a very narrow stereotypical view of the public schools. You've been spoon fed that by talking points. I will agree with you about the unions and that is why I'm a "scab"--I don't belong. Other than that, do better.

First of all I'm not putting anything in your mouth. That's your perception.

What do you know about the public school system in big cities? Specifically Democrat stronghold big cities?
 
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How do you plan on fixing the Public school system? I personally am for school choice...always have been. Public schools should be able to choose what students they accept and keep....just like private schools get to. Also, they should be able to REQUIRE parents to volunteer a certain amount at the school per month...like many Private schools do.

I'm not paid to research the cure for the public school system, so I certainly can't answer that adequately.

But allowing schools to deny certain students acceptance might not be a good start. That said, I do think schools should have the ability to remove disruptive pupils.

Private schools aren't federally funded so their options are greater.

If it's "required", it's by definition not "voluntary"
 
Teachers Unions are liberal organizations. They work diligently to indoctrinate students on the "Evils" of capitalism and 'Right wing Fascism"
I know this because I know many teachers. Teachers who will not tow the hard left line are moved , released and or replaced. The low quality and ignorance of people entrusted to teach our children is appalling.

That's why Charter Schools and Home schooling have increased exponentially.

The teacher who left was probably pressured to do so for some time since she (or he) was unwilling to tow the hard Left line.

Our children attend private schools....I've talked to teachers that left public education to teach at our's schools. They tell me it's night and day

Sure. All the parents are motivated, which makes a huge difference. Schools can also expel troubled students. We have a difficult time doing that.



youre a teacher not a parent,,,do your job and let them do theirs,,,
What happens when the parents DON'T do their job?


in what way???

and is still isnt the teachers business, their job is to teac
 
Teachers Unions are liberal organizations. They work diligently to indoctrinate students on the "Evils" of capitalism and 'Right wing Fascism"
I know this because I know many teachers. Teachers who will not tow the hard left line are moved , released and or replaced. The low quality and ignorance of people entrusted to teach our children is appalling. I am speaking of the Blue state, inner city schools mostly.

That's why Charter Schools and Home schooling have increased exponentially.

The teacher who left was probably pressured to do so for some time since she (or he) was unwilling to tow the hard Left line.

When was this new? The 1950s? Look at the people I've seen on USMB and elsewhere, people in their 40s, 50s, 60s, acting like children, cursing, ranting, calling others vile names, who obviously were not properly taught by their (probably now-dead parents). This did not happen just now and it has absolutely nothing to do with any teachers' union. Do you think that trump and pence ever were disciplined by their parents? Oh, come on. How did trump and pence grow up to be the disrespectful "adults" they are? Bad parenting is the cause throughout the decades. Nothing new.
 
Teachers Unions are liberal organizations. They work diligently to indoctrinate students on the "Evils" of capitalism and 'Right wing Fascism"
I know this because I know many teachers. Teachers who will not tow the hard left line are moved , released and or replaced. The low quality and ignorance of people entrusted to teach our children is appalling. I am speaking of the Blue state, inner city schools mostly.

That's why Charter Schools and Home schooling have increased exponentially.

The teacher who left was probably pressured to do so for some time since she (or he) was unwilling to tow the hard Left line.

Why should teachers "tow the line"? What line needs to be towed?

The term is "toe the line". Educate yourself before criticizing others!
 
Teachers have tried desperately to adapt to the changing needs of our students--and we're failing...and leaving the profession.

To save the schools, we have to revisit, and perhaps even change, the social contract. Specifically, we need to be clear about individual rights and collective rights.

The Kindergarten teacher in the article below, who left her job, mentions the kids who turn over tables because they've never been told "no". The day this happens and your child is injured, YOU must take action. Go to the teacher, then principal, superintendent and school board--and take other parents with you. That way, you apply pressure on the slacker parents and school personnel to do their job or get out of the way, because the most fundamental principle of the collective has been breached: students must be safe in school.

We can take our schools back. We can decide certain behaviors can be understood, but not tolerated.

(If you do not want to click and read her entire article, which I recommend, read her first and fourth reason for leaving, which I have copied below.)

1. The old excuse "the kids have changed". No. No friggin way. Kids are kids. PARENTING has changed. SOCIETY has changed. The kids are just the innocent victims of that. Parents are working crazy hours, consumed by their devices, leaving kids in unstable parenting/coparenting situations, terrible media influences... and we are going to give the excuse that the KIDS have changed? What did we expect them to do? Kids behave in undesirable ways in the environment they feel safest. They test the water in the environment that they know their mistakes and behaviors will be treated with kindness and compassion. For those "well behaved" kids--they're throwing normal kid tantrums at home because it's safe. The kids flipping tables at school? They don't have a safe place at home. Our classrooms are the first place they've ever heard 'no', been given boundaries, shown love through respect. Cue "the kids have changed" .
.
4. Instead of holding parents accountable... and making them true partners, we've adopted a customer service mindset. I've seen the Facebook rants about attendance and getting "the letter". Well, here's the thing... I can't teach your child if he's not in school ‍♀️. I was cussed out by parents who wanted to attend field trips but missed the THREE notes that went home--and when they did attend a trip, sat on their phone the entire time. I've had parents stand me up multiple times on Conference Days then call to tattle on me when I refused to offer an after school option. I've had parents tell me that I'm not allowed to tell their child 'no'...

Ex-Kindergarten teacher’s post about why she quit teaching goes viral for how real it is.


that is complete and utter bullshit,,,

children havent changed,,,its the socialist teachers that have changed,,,

they are more focused on indoctrination instead of teaching the 3 R's


what needs to happen is end the teachers union and get back to students first and teachers last,,,

And what is your experience in the schools?


other than being a victim of its socialist agenda???


and besides its not about me its about the failure of schools since the change to indoctrination instead of teaching,,,its easy to see,

Give us an example of this "indoctrination" that you claim dominates teaching.
 
Teachers Unions are liberal organizations. They work diligently to indoctrinate students on the "Evils" of capitalism and 'Right wing Fascism"
I know this because I know many teachers. Teachers who will not tow the hard left line are moved , released and or replaced. The low quality and ignorance of people entrusted to teach our children is appalling.

That's why Charter Schools and Home schooling have increased exponentially.

The teacher who left was probably pressured to do so for some time since she (or he) was unwilling to tow the hard Left line.

Our children attend private schools....I've talked to teachers that left public education to teach at our's schools. They tell me it's night and day

So are their paychecks! Many private school teachers are completely unqualified to train a dog, much less teach.
 
Teachers Unions are liberal organizations. They work diligently to indoctrinate students on the "Evils" of capitalism and 'Right wing Fascism"
I know this because I know many teachers. Teachers who will not tow the hard left line are moved , released and or replaced. The low quality and ignorance of people entrusted to teach our children is appalling.

That's why Charter Schools and Home schooling have increased exponentially.

The teacher who left was probably pressured to do so for some time since she (or he) was unwilling to tow the hard Left line.

Our children attend private schools....I've talked to teachers that left public education to teach at our's schools. They tell me it's night and day

So are their paychecks! Many private school teachers are completely unqualified to train a dog, much less teach.

Yeah yeah yeah and many could teach you. The same holds true for public school teachers. Stop trying to pick fights, toad.
 
Teachers have tried desperately to adapt to the changing needs of our students--and we're failing...and leaving the profession.

To save the schools, we have to revisit, and perhaps even change, the social contract. Specifically, we need to be clear about individual rights and collective rights.

The Kindergarten teacher in the article below, who left her job, mentions the kids who turn over tables because they've never been told "no". The day this happens and your child is injured, YOU must take action. Go to the teacher, then principal, superintendent and school board--and take other parents with you. That way, you apply pressure on the slacker parents and school personnel to do their job or get out of the way, because the most fundamental principle of the collective has been breached: students must be safe in school.

We can take our schools back. We can decide certain behaviors can be understood, but not tolerated.

(If you do not want to click and read her entire article, which I recommend, read her first and fourth reason for leaving, which I have copied below.)

1. The old excuse "the kids have changed". No. No friggin way. Kids are kids. PARENTING has changed. SOCIETY has changed. The kids are just the innocent victims of that. Parents are working crazy hours, consumed by their devices, leaving kids in unstable parenting/coparenting situations, terrible media influences... and we are going to give the excuse that the KIDS have changed? What did we expect them to do? Kids behave in undesirable ways in the environment they feel safest. They test the water in the environment that they know their mistakes and behaviors will be treated with kindness and compassion. For those "well behaved" kids--they're throwing normal kid tantrums at home because it's safe. The kids flipping tables at school? They don't have a safe place at home. Our classrooms are the first place they've ever heard 'no', been given boundaries, shown love through respect. Cue "the kids have changed" .
.
4. Instead of holding parents accountable... and making them true partners, we've adopted a customer service mindset. I've seen the Facebook rants about attendance and getting "the letter". Well, here's the thing... I can't teach your child if he's not in school ‍♀️. I was cussed out by parents who wanted to attend field trips but missed the THREE notes that went home--and when they did attend a trip, sat on their phone the entire time. I've had parents stand me up multiple times on Conference Days then call to tattle on me when I refused to offer an after school option. I've had parents tell me that I'm not allowed to tell their child 'no'...

Ex-Kindergarten teacher’s post about why she quit teaching goes viral for how real it is.


that is complete and utter bullshit,,,

children havent changed,,,its the socialist teachers that have changed,,,

they are more focused on indoctrination instead of teaching the 3 R's


what needs to happen is end the teachers union and get back to students first and teachers last,,,

And what is your experience in the schools?


other than being a victim of its socialist agenda???


and besides its not about me its about the failure of schools since the change to indoctrination instead of teaching,,,its easy to see,

Give us an example of this "indoctrination" that you claim dominates teaching.


we can start with the dragqueens and trannies being allowed to go into schools and push the LBGTQRST agenda as if they were normal,,,they are doing this in kindergarten,,,
 
That's no bingo chump. I voted Trump in 2016 and will vote again in 2020. Search my name and see where I stand.
I'm saying you sound like drones....like Leftists sound WHEN THEY TALK "ORANGE MAN BAD"

As always, when fakers fail, the first thing they do is start slinging the insults. NEVER fails. it clearly shows their lack of character.
Your argument "seems" to be that ALL teachers in public schools are good and upstanding.
That is laughable at best. But sad at the same time that anyone would think that.

If you in fact voted Trump, I will at least give you that. Most of the liberal teachers I know were staunch Hillary supporters. And ALL are very ignorant outside of the narrow field of their own textbook schooling. Unfortunate.

We do indeed need to "fix" the Public schools system.
How do you plan on fixing the Public school system? I personally am for school choice...always have been. Public schools should be able to choose what students they accept and keep....just like private schools get to. Also, they should be able to REQUIRE parents to volunteer a certain amount at the school per month...like many Private schools do.

Most of the parents cannot volunteer at school because it would violate terms of their parole!
 
Teachers Unions are liberal organizations. They work diligently to indoctrinate students on the "Evils" of capitalism and 'Right wing Fascism"
I know this because I know many teachers. Teachers who will not tow the hard left line are moved , released and or replaced. The low quality and ignorance of people entrusted to teach our children is appalling.

That's why Charter Schools and Home schooling have increased exponentially.

The teacher who left was probably pressured to do so for some time since she (or he) was unwilling to tow the hard Left line.

Our children attend private schools....I've talked to teachers that left public education to teach at our's schools. They tell me it's night and day

So are their paychecks! Many private school teachers are completely unqualified to train a dog, much less teach.

Yeah yeah yeah and many could teach you. The same holds true for public school teachers. Stop trying to pick fights, toad.

No, that is not true. Private school teachers, especially for elementary schools often have no post-secondary education at all!
 
I don't care if you think I'm faking. I'm not. That's first.

Second, do not put arguments in my mouth. You said there are "no great teachers". Because you said that does NOT mean that *I* said "ALL" teachers in public schools are good and upstanding.

You have a very narrow stereotypical view of the public schools. You've been spoon fed that by talking points. I will agree with you about the unions and that is why I'm a "scab"--I don't belong. Other than that, do better.

First of all I'm not putting anything in your mouth. That's your perception.

What do you know about the public school system in big cities? Specifically Democrat stronghold big cities?

I would like to remind you that you came here all barrels blasting--like most conservatives on public education, you spewed your talking points, they sounded good to you, and you were done. (I say this as a conservative, btw.) NOW you want to back track and ask me about different schools in different parts of the nation.

As I have said so many times: a school in inner city is going to look different than a school in rural Nebraska, generally speaking. When anti-public school folks get on their rants they never take this into account--it's like somehow, that sweet kindergarten teacher down the pew every Sunday in Littletown, South Dakota becomes a raging Leftist lunatic on Monday morning when she invites in the drag queens. This is what makes sense in your head I guess, as you're spewing it.

Do better. Think better. Type better stuff. Make better arguments.
 
Those who cry about teachers should quit their jobs and go in the classroom in troubled schools and teach. Show the country how it's done. In sure the kids will just now down to them waiting to be taught. In my 5 kids 12 years of public education I can't find one shred of so called empty talking point baseless indoctrination.
 
Those who cry about teachers should quit their jobs and go in the classroom in troubled schools and teach. Show the country how it's done. In sure the kids will just now down to them waiting to be taught. In my 5 kids 12 years of public education I can't find one shred of so called empty talking point baseless indoctrination.

Thank you!

People read of some drag queens coming into to some Berkeley CA kindergarten or some teacher in Maryland made a third grader write a report on Michelle Obama and voila...."all teachers indoctrinate".

True things:

1. The NEA IS a liberal organization, but that does not mean all of its members vote liberal

2. Some teachers DO "indoctrinate" but they are FAR from the majority, and yeah, I'm totally comfortable saying that

3. Conservatives are just as easy to manipulate through media as Leftists. And that is sad.
 
My daughter is a public school teacher. I have asked her to come up with all the ways she indoctrinated her students. She will get a laugh out of it though. She does her job although many robots bastardize her because she has her Summers off, etc. She laughs the comments like that right off because those are made by people who gobble up the empty rhetoric. Sure there are bad teachers, just like every other profession. But there are many many good ones who show up and do a great job despite low thought comments made by those who should be showing the nation how to do the job. A few schools in big cities don't represent the nation as a whole.
 

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