To Be Consistent....Why The Heck Not???

[Mikeoxenormous]

LOL Same old same old. Dose bad democrats day sure be bad. When I come back to this site I feel like it is yesterday and yesterday and yesterday. No growth. Groundhog day on another level. Lots of name calling and irrelevant nonsense. Timothy Snyder in book quoted below does a great job of covering America today. The quote hits home.

"The president [Trump] is a nationalist, which is not at all the same thing as a patriot. A nationalist encourages us to be our worst, and then tells us that we are the best. A nationalist, 'although endlessly brooding on power, victory, defeat, revenge,' wrote Orwell, tends to be 'uninterested in what happens in the real world.' Nationalism is relativist, since the only truth is the resentment we feel when we contemplate others. As the novelist Danilo Kiš put it, nationalism 'has no universal values, aesthetic or ethical.' A patriot, by contrast, wants the nation to live up to its ideals, which means asking us to be our best selves. A patriot must be concerned with the real world, which is the only place where his country can be loved and sustained. A patriot has universal values, standards by which he judges his nation, always wishing it well—and wishing that it would do better." Timothy Snyder 'On Tyranny'

On Tyranny

A historian of fascism offers a guide for surviving and resisting America’s turn towards authoritarianism. On November 9th, millions of ...

www.goodreads.com

So you dont "feel" that you are better than some camel jockey in the middle east, who would put a knife in your back and laugh at it, as doing the will of Allah?

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is a very simple situation, grounded in one incontrovertible fact: Iran has no legitimate need of, and has zero interest in having, commercial nuclear power. They sit on an ocean of oil, and couldn't care less about their carbon footprint.

If they WERE - for some bizarre reason - interested in commercial nuclear power, they could buy fuel from a number of different places; France would gladly trade them fuel rods for oil.

But the Iran Nuclear [unconstitutional] "deal" supposes that Iran has a legitimate need for commercial nuclear power, and intends to innocently enrich uranium to fuel it. Which is manifestly preposterous.

Everybody in the world knows - except for American Leftists - that the nuclear power thing is nothing more than a cover so that Iran can enrich uranium to weapons-grade, and thus make their own nuclear weapons.

So why enter into any sort of "deal" with them?

Trump/Pompeo fully understood what was up, cancelled the [unconstitutional] "deal" and sought to bring a world of shit down on those bastards until they gave up enriching uranium. Which was and remains the only rational course of action.

Parenthetically, the Europeans are keen to start trading with Iran in order to access their petroleum. This is why American must play the role of Leader, and not part of the foolish pack that is pretending that Iran is not a rogue, lawless, terrorist state.

They know.

It's that their motives are different from those of normal people.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nationalist, or Patriot, I think both have the same interests, but different ways of getting there.
Knowledge evolves, but, Truth is constant. The truth is; both sides (D and R) play political football with other country's- Iran officially became part of the game in 1953- that is the constant in this situation. So, was it a nationalist endeavor (America first), or was it a Patriotic endeavor (Iran first)? In reality it was an oligarch endeavor to wrest control of Iran's natural resources from one ruler of Iran and install a favorable ruler of Iran in his place- for what purpose? Favorable to who? Iran? Is Iran not a sovereign nation? Does the US nationalist, or patriot, recognize sovereignty as a viable being? Apparently not. The US uses the word sovereignty when it fits an agenda being used- the US doesn't even recognize sovereignty in the US- think about that.

Iran is not a threat to the US. The US is in the ME to allegedly protect Saudi interests- is that patriotic or is it nationalist? So, who is threatened by Iran? Saudi?

Pretentious finger pointing is useless political rhetoric which allows the US to continue it's immoral activity- in this case, in the ME- neither D, nor R, has the best interest of the US in mind, unless trillions of dollars and many, many lives are in its best interest. The trillions of dollars can be replaced and is (because the US hegemony has to be funded). Does not both sides (R and D) subscribe to the hegemony? So, just whose interests are best served by continuing to make Iran a problem? The best interest for the US is to mind its own business and stop trying to buy friendship with money or bullying- so, which path do Nationalist prefer? Patriots? The immoral initiation of force - or trade with all, ally with none? The recognition and respect of sovereignty even if there is no political benefit?

"The truth is; both sides (D and R) play political football with other country's- Iran officially became part of the game in 1953-"

Wrong again.

Democrats fund the maniac Ayatollahs.

Democrats rubber stamp their plan to get nukes.

Democrats installed the rabid maniacs.



it was the Democrat Jimmy Carter.

It was almost as though the Democrats had a big meeting, decided that they hadn't done nearly enough damage to the world by supporting the homicidal psychopath Joseph Stalin......

....and said 'now.....how can we institute even more world conflagration.'





And Jimmy 'I will never lie to you' Carter said...'Hey....let's dump the moderate Shah, and put in power an insane Islamofascist!!!'



And, if that conversation had happened, Hussein Obama picked up on it and guaranteed nuclear weapons to the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism.

Those wacky Democrats, huh?









Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, (born October 26, 1919, Tehrān, Iran—died July 27, 1980, Cairo, Egypt), shah of Iran from 1941 to 1979, who maintained a pro-Western foreign policy and fostered economic development in Iran.



Not good for the Left's desires for world domination!!!





The 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran has been compared in importance to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917. “The central problems of world affairs today spring from the Iranian Revolution much as those of the 20th century sprang from the Russian Revolution.” A Monarch Dethroned







"When the Iranian revolution came to power, with the help of Democratic President Jimmy Carter, the Ayatollah Khomeini killed more human beings (about twenty thousand) in two weeks than had been killed by the Shah during his entire thirty-eight years. Khomeini followed this by sending hundreds of thousands of Iranians to die in the Iran-Iraq war, as martyrdom was needed to resurrect the Islamic Empire."
Paul Berman, “Terror and Liberalism,” p. 108



And it has been ever so.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Iran has no legitimate need of, and has zero interest in having, commercial nuclear power

Who determines need? The bully or the bullied?

We do, and the civilized world does.


1. Hussein Obama:
March 6, 2012, press conference: "And what I have said is, is that we will not countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon. My policy is not containment; my policy is to prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon -- because if they get a nuclear weapon that could trigger an arms race in the region, it would undermine our non-proliferation goals, it could potentially fall into the hands of terrorists.





2. The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, commonly known as the Non-ProliferationTreaty or NPT, is an international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, and to further the goal of ...
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia
Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons - Wikipedia


3.war criminal - an offender who violates international law during timesof war
offender, wrongdoer - a person who transgresses moral or civillaw
war criminal

4. Is there precedent for the one who gave the weapons used to kill innocents, to be prosecuted????

You betcha'!!!!!


a. "Human rights lawyers say they hope the case signals a trend. In Europe's growing practice of domestic courts' taking on human rights abuses that happened far away, the accused havecommonly been foreign military or political officials, rather than local businessmen. But in December, a Dutch court sentenced a Dutch businessman, Frans van Anraat, to 15 years in prison for selling chemicals to Saddam Hussein. The chemicals were used in poison gas weapons that killed Kurdish villagers."
Holding arms dealers accountable at home



b. "....the provision of arms, ammunition, and other forms of military support to known human rights abusers has enabled them to carry out atrocities against civilians. The perpetrators of war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide are on notice that they may be hauled before a national or international criminal tribunal to face charges."
https://www.hrw.org/legacy/wr2k4/download/13.pdf




c. Dutch Court Convicts Arms Dealer for Role in Liberian Atrocities.

".... an appeals court in the Netherlands sentenced Guus Kouwenhoven, a Dutch businessman and citizen, to 19 years in prison for serving as an accessory to war crimes in Liberia. For years, Kouwenhoven smuggled weapons into the African nation using his timber business as cover. His operation supplied Liberian war criminal Charles Taylor with weapons for use in a conflict that claimed hundreds of thousands of lives."
Dutch Court Convicts Arms Dealer for Role in Liberian Atrocities. What Does It Say About Justice for Economic Crime?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Trump really fucked up this one

He promised a better deal with Iran and ended up with nothing.
Why do Republicans always screw everything up?

Trump did better than Barry and Kerry. He didn't fuck anything up.

Hell the only winner in their POS agreement was Iran. They got the billions we froze back. Were able to fund every terrorist organization other and had billions to pursue a nuke. Anyone who thinks they stopped that pursuit is as stupid as you are.

The Dems do a damned good job of screwing things up. Take a look at Biden. He's already screwed every American tax payer and once his EO's and green shit kick in he will have screwed them all again.

Where is the better deal that Trump promised?

Obama got Iran to dispose of their enriched uranium while Trump allowed them to start making it again

Obama with international cooperation stabilized the situation with Iran
Trump stirred it up

LMAO Oh so you think they stopped their pursuit of a nuke?? What a fool you are.

Trump imposed sanctions on Iran. If they got hold of enriched uranium Trump had nothing to do with it.

Iran got a great deal from Barry and Kerry. Trump did away with that deal.

ummm....you need enriched uranium to make a nuke.

Obama took it away
Trump gave it back

Got a link proving that. Trump wouldn't give Iran the time of day never mind enriched uranium.

Iran enriches their own uranium.
Obama took away their stockpiles and centrifuges
Trump let them start up again

What a dumbass statement. Like any American POTUS would do anything to assist Iran's quest for a nuke.

If Obama took anything I'd say Iran never let him know exactly how much they had.

They didn't start up again, they never stopped.

He lies about everything.

 

[PoliticalChic]

LOL Same old same old. Dose bad democrats day sure be bad. When I come back to this site I feel like it is yesterday and yesterday and yesterday. No growth. Groundhog day on another level. Lots of name calling and irrelevant nonsense. Timothy Snyder in book quoted below does a great job of covering America today. The quote hits home.

"The president [Trump] is a nationalist, which is not at all the same thing as a patriot. A nationalist encourages us to be our worst, and then tells us that we are the best. A nationalist, 'although endlessly brooding on power, victory, defeat, revenge,' wrote Orwell, tends to be 'uninterested in what happens in the real world.' Nationalism is relativist, since the only truth is the resentment we feel when we contemplate others. As the novelist Danilo Kiš put it, nationalism 'has no universal values, aesthetic or ethical.' A patriot, by contrast, wants the nation to live up to its ideals, which means asking us to be our best selves. A patriot must be concerned with the real world, which is the only place where his country can be loved and sustained. A patriot has universal values, standards by which he judges his nation, always wishing it well—and wishing that it would do better." Timothy Snyder 'On Tyranny'

On Tyranny

A historian of fascism offers a guide for surviving and resisting America’s turn towards authoritarianism. On November 9th, millions of ...

www.goodreads.com

So you dont "feel" that you are better than some camel jockey in the middle east, who would put a knife in your back and laugh at it, as doing the will of Allah?

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[Indeependent]

Democrats........they lie about everything.

In the meanwhile, Iran owes the families of the victims of 9/11 1 trillion.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Trump really fucked up this one

He promised a better deal with Iran and ended up with nothing.
Why do Republicans always screw everything up?

Trump did better than Barry and Kerry. He didn't fuck anything up.

Hell the only winner in their POS agreement was Iran. They got the billions we froze back. Were able to fund every terrorist organization other and had billions to pursue a nuke. Anyone who thinks they stopped that pursuit is as stupid as you are.

The Dems do a damned good job of screwing things up. Take a look at Biden. He's already screwed every American tax payer and once his EO's and green shit kick in he will have screwed them all again.

Where is the better deal that Trump promised?

Obama got Iran to dispose of their enriched uranium while Trump allowed them to start making it again

Obama with international cooperation stabilized the situation with Iran
Trump stir

LOL no he did not. there was no way to verify any of Obama's deal and in fact Iran was openly violating it before Trump ever got elected.

 

[Indeependent]

RWer has to please the leader of his local Democrat Club in order to get consulting jobs so he lies like a whore.

 

[d0gbreath]

In the meanwhile, Iran owes the families of the victims of 9/11 1 trillion.

That debt is actually attributed to our great ally Saudi Arabia.

 

[Indeependent]

In the meanwhile, Iran owes the families of the victims of 9/11 1 trillion.

That debt is actually attributed to our great ally Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia funded it and Iran helped to execute it.
I totally disagreed with Trump kissing Saudi ass.