To be a GOOD Liberal you believe the following:

[Shattered]

1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by the lack of Federal funding.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach the same kids about sex.

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by yuppies driving SUV's.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.

<b>7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.</b> -My favorite.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but looney activists who've never been outside Seattle do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe that the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee, or Thomas Edison.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren't.

16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.

18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex offender belongs in the White House.

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites and bestiality should be Constitutionally protected and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic party funding by the Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

21. You have to believe that anyone who beats you in an intellectual arguments is a bigot.

22. You have to believe that it's better for a woman to be raped and murdered than for a rapist to be shot.

 

[Big Blue Machin]

1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by the lack of Federal funding.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach the same kids about sex.

3. You have to believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by yuppies driving SUV's.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.

<b>7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.</b> -My favorite.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but looney activists who've never been outside Seattle do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe that the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee, or Thomas Edison.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren't.

16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.

18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a sex offender belongs in the White House.

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites and bestiality should be Constitutionally protected and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic party funding by the Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

21. You have to believe that anyone who beats you in an intellectual arguments is a bigot.

22. You have to believe that it's better for a woman to be raped and murdered than for a rapist to be shot.

This is utterly stupid. We should look at Liberals, not as the enemy, but people who simply don't agree with us. Most of these points are nuts. Most liberals are not homosexuals. Liberals are religious too, look at Kerry, who is Roman Catholic. The problem with guns is that mentally unstable people have a gun, you're 58% more likely to shoot a family mkember than an intruder.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

This is utterly stupid. We should look at Liberals, not as the enemy, but people who simply don't agree with us. Most of these points are nuts. Most liberals are not homosexuals. Liberals are religious too, look at Kerry, who is Roman Catholic. The problem with guns is that mentally unstable people have a gun, you're 58% more likely to shoot a family mkember than an intruder.

No. Liberals are the enemy. They hate america and the freedoms it stands for.

 

[OCA]

This is utterly stupid. We should look at Liberals, not as the enemy, but people who simply don't agree with us. Most of these points are nuts. Most liberals are not homosexuals. Liberals are religious too, look at Kerry, who is Roman Catholic. The problem with guns is that mentally unstable people have a gun, you're 58% more likely to shoot a family mkember than an intruder.

Did you know that John Kerry is not allowed to partake of communion in the Catholic church? Not all people who claim a religion are religious, some just use it as a tool.

 

[OCA]

This is utterly stupid. We should look at Liberals, not as the enemy, but people who simply don't agree with us. Most of these points are nuts. Most liberals are not homosexuals. Liberals are religious too, look at Kerry, who is Roman Catholic. The problem with guns is that mentally unstable people have a gun, you're 58% more likely to shoot a family mkember than an intruder.

Also this 58% bullshit, got any thing to link that to? Mentally unstable people having guns is the price of freedom, do you believe we should have a psychoanalyst examine everyone who wishes to purchase a gun? That would be ludicrous bordering on insane.

 

[Abbey Normal]

This is utterly stupid. We should look at Liberals, not as the enemy, but people who simply don't agree with us. Most of these points are nuts. Most liberals are not homosexuals. Liberals are religious too, look at Kerry, who is Roman Catholic...

The list doesn't say that most liberals are homosexual, or that they aren't religious. It does show the lunacy and hypocrisy of the left. People who espouse many of the beliefs on the list are the enemies of what is fair and decent in this country. It reads like an ACLU playbook.

I especially like these three: :cof:

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee, or Thomas Edison.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren't.

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites and bestiality should be Constitutionally protected and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

 

[Big Blue Machin]

Also this 58% bullshit, got any thing to link that to? Mentally unstable people having guns is the price of freedom, do you believe we should have a psychoanalyst examine everyone who wishes to purchase a gun? That would be ludicrous bordering on insane.

Why would we give a gun to a former criminal and murderer? Where's the sense in that, you're just endangering more people. The right to bear arms was only meant for after the American revolution because people were so afraid of the British coming back. Guns are not meant for keeping the king of England out of your face. The amendment is not needed today. Plus, the way people interpret the right to bear arms is sad. People can say that they can have an assualt rifle or explosives in their house, bullshit. An assault rifle or gun should only be used in the mlitary. If people want assualt rifles they should go into the military. A normal civilian does not need an assault to protect his family. It's not like the US army is going to show up at their front door. Explosives are even worst, no one should have explosives in their home, there's too dangerous to the family and people living around the house.

This link shows how much bad guns do to people.

http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/1284/Human_Rights_Record_of_the_US_in_2004

Bottom line, you don't need a gun, just put a home sercuity system in.

 

[Hobbit]

Why would we give a gun to a former criminal and murderer? Where's the sense in that, you're just endangering more people. The right to bear arms was only meant for after the American revolution because people were so afraid of the British coming back. Guns are not meant for keeping the king of England out of your face. The amendment is not needed today. Plus, the way people interpret the right to bear arms is sad. People can say that they can have an assualt rifle or explosives in their house, bullshit. An assault rifle or gun should only be used in the mlitary. If people want assualt rifles they should go into the military. A normal civilian does not need an assault to protect his family. It's not like the US army is going to show up at their front door. Explosives are even worst, no one should have explosives in their home, there's too dangerous to the family and people living around the house.

This link shows how much bad guns do to people.

http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/1284/Human_Rights_Record_of_the_US_in_2004

Bottom line, you don't need a gun, just put a home sercuity system in.

FACT: Nobody's saying felons should get guns, just that you shouldn't need a psychological profile of yourself. You're making huge stretches.

FACT: The majority of guns purchased are used to hunt animals and most guns used to commit crimes were purchased illegally. Outlawing guns wouldn't decrease violent crime in New York, but it would increase the incidents of deer-related injuries (which are already quite high) in South Carolina.

FACT: When Australia outlawed personally owned firearms, there was a sudden, massive slaughter of the families that owned outback ranches because they had sacrificed their guns while the crooks hadn't.

FACT: A security system can't keep a criminal from shooting you. It only makes in more likely that he will be caught.

FACT: The founding fathers didn't include the right to bear arms and keep militias in the Constitution just to fight the British, but to fight any oppression government. The first step to oppressing the populace is to eliminate their ability to defend themselves.

As it stands, if a foreign power invades, hunters and crime-ridden large cities, such as New York and Chicago will turn this country into the most costly occupation in human history. The average gun-owning citizen in this country is a better marksman than the average terrorist or communist soldier. If guns were taken away, not only would attacks against the U.S. be easier, but it wouldn't actually reduce crime, at least not much.

If the U.S. government continues down its current road, it will become an oppressive oligarchy that nannies the people against their will and imposes "we know best" laws. If guns are around in the hands of private citizens, we can fight the oppression. If guns are outlawed and confiscated, we'd have to lay back and take it until the next great human rights enforcers overthrow the U.S. government for us, like we did in Iraq.

Anti-gun lobbyists are full of crap.

 

[Big Blue Machin]

You made a good argument, but you've missed the second half of my argument.

"Plus, the way people interpret the right to bear arms is sad. People can say that they can have an assualt rifle or explosives in their house, bullshit. An assault rifle or gun should only be used in the mlitary. If people want assualt rifles they should go into the military. A normal civilian does not need an assault to protect his family. It's not like the US army is going to show up at their front door. Explosives are even worst, no one should have explosives in their home, there's too dangerous to the family and people living around the house."

I just get annoyed when people say that having an assault rifle is allowed in the constution.

But felons do get guns, that's the problem. As long as you are responible with your gun, I couldn't care less. How can you purchase a gun illegally, do you mean like on the street?

When criminals break into your house, they mostly don't have something on them.

Guns should not be outlawed, they should regulated more.

 

[Shattered]

My goodness. Look what happens with something meant to be slightly humorous..

Hint: If you unwad your panties, Blue, they won't be nearly so uncomfortable...

 

[nakedemperor]

Also this 58% bullshit, got any thing to link that to? Mentally unstable people having guns is the price of freedom, do you believe we should have a psychoanalyst examine everyone who wishes to purchase a gun? That would be ludicrous bordering on insane.

I thought conservatives supported dissolving freedoms for security...?

 

[OCA]

Why would we give a gun to a former criminal and murderer? Where's the sense in that, you're just endangering more people. The right to bear arms was only meant for after the American revolution because people were so afraid of the British coming back. Guns are not meant for keeping the king of England out of your face. The amendment is not needed today. Plus, the way people interpret the right to bear arms is sad. People can say that they can have an assualt rifle or explosives in their house, bullshit. An assault rifle or gun should only be used in the mlitary. If people want assualt rifles they should go into the military. A normal civilian does not need an assault to protect his family. It's not like the US army is going to show up at their front door. Explosives are even worst, no one should have explosives in their home, there's too dangerous to the family and people living around the house.

This link shows how much bad guns do to people.

http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/1284/Human_Rights_Record_of_the_US_in_2004

Bottom line, you don't need a gun, just put a home sercuity system in.

Typical of a liberal, you said mentally incompetent firstly but now change it to criminals when backed into a corner. For your info cannuck you cannot legally purchase a weapon with a criminal background.

Anyway the old adage is true, if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns.

Home security! ROTFLMFAO! You should do a comedy sketch.

 

[Hobbit]

You made a good argument, but you've missed the second half of my argument.

"Plus, the way people interpret the right to bear arms is sad. People can say that they can have an assualt rifle or explosives in their house, bullshit. An assault rifle or gun should only be used in the mlitary. If people want assualt rifles they should go into the military. A normal civilian does not need an assault to protect his family. It's not like the US army is going to show up at their front door. Explosives are even worst, no one should have explosives in their home, there's too dangerous to the family and people living around the house."

I just get annoyed when people say that having an assault rifle is allowed in the constution.

But felons do get guns, that's the problem. As long as you are responible with your gun, I couldn't care less. How can you purchase a gun illegally, do you mean like on the street?

When criminals break into your house, they mostly don't have something on them.

Guns should not be outlawed, they should regulated more.

I didn't address that part because I don't really disagree. In retrospect, I probably should have mentioned that. Anyway, my full view.

Assault rifles: Fully automatic weapons should be available only to military and law enforcement personell. I also don't mind them being issued to recognized militias as long as they use them only to train unless the unit is activated (no taking your M-16 out hunting for the weekend, and you should probably find something else for home security). That having been said, the assault weapons ban had nothing to do with weapons being fully automatic, having armor piercing capability, or anything else related to how dangerous a weapon was in the hands of someone who intended to do harm. It banned certain types of sighting devices, collapsable stocks, and certain types of clips. In fact, many of the banned weapons were less dangerous than those that weren't. The M-4, which doesn't include an automatic fire or burst fire option, is a lighter, more compact version of the M-16. As a result, it is less accurate and less powerful, so it is typically limited to close quarters special forces (SEALS, SWAT, etc.) and paratroopers. The civilian M-4, which lacks the capability for automatic or burst fire without illegal modification, was banned because it has a collapsable stock. The M-16, which, in addition to the superiorities listed above, is also easier to modify due to its larger size, was not banned. Armor piercing bullets are also illegal.

Explosives that don't fall within the definition of recreational fireworks are also highly illegal. I'd rather have a gun nut living next door than to have a bomb specialist bring his work home a block away. I don't care how good you are, explosives are dangerous, especially the homemade variety (military explosives are near impossible to detonate accidentally).

Illegally purchased guns are usually stolen or cleverly 'lost' weapons that have had their serial numbers removed. They are then sold at above market value to people who want to use them for illegal purposes such as murder, rape, and robbery. Legally purchasing a gun is now such a complicated process that further limitations will only mean a little bit more work for people who fake their IDs to get a gun. The way you limit illegal guns is not to make them harder to purchase legally, but to crack down on people who sell illegally.

Felons don't get guns. A 3-day waiting period background check is required for the purchase of any firearm. If you have so much as felony embezzlement on your record, you get turned down.

True, burgalers don't usually pack heat, but robbers do, and there's still a lot of robbery going on. Also, if you are packing heat and the burgaler isn't, that's another reason for him not to break into your house. You also have to think about muggers, rapists, serial killers, and other people who aren't going to go away because you ask nicely.

 

[Gem]

Big Blue,

While I understand and, to a very small extent, agree with you when you say that no civilian needs certain times of weapons...you also have to make sure that you are keeping a firm grasp of the facts in mind when you think about the issue.

How often in this nation are murders, robberies, rapes, committed with or with the help of an uzi? a m-16?

There are statistics out there...you can find them if you disagree with me...

The stats show that in the VAST majority crimes are committed with the small firearms that would remain legal even if you banned all of the weapons you were discussing as ridiculous perversions of the 2nd Ammendment .

The people who actually own these guns you think are so ridiculous are often the saftest, most well-educated about proper gun use-types out there. They are collectors and gun-afficienados who respect and care properly for the use of these weapons. They have a hobby you don't understand or like...but they are far less likely to have an accident with their arsenal than the regular joe with a handgun.

As to the 2nd Ammendment being "no longer neccessary," well, I couldn't disagree with you more. The founding fathers created that little tidbit not because they were afraid of the British returning...but because they were afraid of the government they were in the process of creating. They KNEW that government was a big scary machine and that sometimes the only way to change a corrupt government was through force.

The 2nd Ammendment is the reset button in case of a major disaster of government. If you take the right away from the people, then the people have no way of taking power back...

You may think that that's an outdated notion...but I like that the founding fathers were honest enough to know that sometimes even the best intentions go terribly wrong...and sometimes average men and women have to be able to fix things...even if it means fighting for them.

 

[fuzzykitten99]

FACT: The majority of guns purchased are used to hunt animals and most guns used to commit crimes were purchased illegally. Outlawing guns wouldn't decrease violent crime in New York, but it would increase the incidents of deer-related injuries (which are already quite high) in South Carolina.

Here's a little reminder of that...lucky the driver got out alive though. This happened on west hwy 12/interstate 394 in Wayzata, Mn. The deer was on an overpass, got confused and jumped right off the bridge into oncoming traffic. >.<

While I refuse to shoot a gun at any animal, I respect and have no ill feelings towards those who do, because I know why it is done-thinning the herds, food, etc. I just can't bring myself to do it. I have no problem fishing though.

link: http://www.snopes.com/photos/durango.asp

 

[Annie]

Here's a little reminder of that...lucky the driver got out alive though. This happened on west hwy 12/interstate 394 in Wayzata, Mn. The deer was on an overpass, got confused and jumped right off the bridge into oncoming traffic. >.<

While I refuse to shoot a gun at any animal, I respect and have no ill feelings towards those who do, because I know why it is done-thinning the herds, food, etc. I just can't bring myself to do it. I have no problem fishing though.

link: http://www.snopes.com/photos/durango.asp

Wow! I finished my last BA in 1995, along with teaching credentials. I didn't have a job lined up, but had completed licensing for insurance producer. Since I couldn't wait for schools to get around to interviews, took a job with a major insurance company. (SF, which will remain anonymous).

I was on the job about 4 months when a customer calls in, obviously upset:

Customer: I need to report a claim, I think my car has been totaled.

Me: I'm sorry. What happened? As far as damages, the adjuster will have to determine that.

Customer: I struck a deer, it came out of nowhere.

Me: I'm sorry. Please explain what happened.

Customer: I was driving, the deer bounded in front of my car, I couldn't stop. The deer came out of nowhere. The car hit the deer, the deer ran away.

Me: What was the address this happened?

Customer: (#'s made up), 123 Deerslayer Dr. city, IL

Me: What?

Customer: I know, it's weird. (Chuckling)

Me: You're joking. What is your policy #?

Customer: 12345678 Really, it really happened and yes, at that address.

 

[pegwinn]

BBM, the reason that the second amendment exists is to ensure that no one can overthrow the people of the usa. Governments come and go, but the people will not be subjugated. I hope you get that.

As to interpreting the second amendment. Other than your own personal opinion, where does it say that assault weapons are not allowed. Remember, the point of the constitutuion is that you get it unless they specifically banned it.

"Arms" doesn't mean only firearms. It means that I can own real, functional swords, pikes, spikes, clubs, flails, maces, throwing stars, full auto weapons, claymores etc. Arms means weapons.

You call for more regulation. I submit that the same crooks that ignore our laws will ignore the regulations.

Remember this: It is better for a law abiding citizen to choose the weapons he (or she) will (or won't) keep in the house. Criminals will always choose to arm themselves no matter the law, that's why we call em criminals.

 

[Said1]

You call for more regulation. I submit that the same crooks that ignore our laws will ignore the regulations.

Hey, he's Canadian. Knives are the weapon of choice up here.

 

[Big Blue Machin]

There is also the problem of Americans bringing illegal guns into Canada. A few years ago, A woman and her family were slaughtered by her boyfriend who was from Michigan and hid a gun through Customs.

 

[Shattered]

There is also the problem of Americans bringing illegal guns into Canada. A few years ago, A woman and her family were slaughtered by her boyfriend who was from Michigan and hid a gun through Customs.

One instance is indicative of a "problem"? Wow..