Time to drop a brick of epistemology on a table full of vibes. - Climate change

I didn't act like I'm anything. Lol Never said or implied it.
It's implied in this snotty opening sentence...

"I don't debate the science. I don't need to. Here's why."

Then, you've spent the thread demanding everyone disprove your lack of understanding of what you're yammering about with the detailed science.

Well guess what, Skippy, I don't need the science either...All I need to do is recall the child's stories of the boy who cried wolf and of Chicken Little to know that you're completely full of shit.
 
The other irony is the dude who piously claims to "drop a brick of epistemology" in the OP, using reasoning that is a complete affront to epistemics.

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Agreed.

Clearly he has a paradigm, and is obviously arguing backward from that to shoe-horn his perceived epistemology onto his ontology.

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It's implied in this snotty opening sentence...

"I don't debate the science. I don't need to. Here's why."

Then, you've spent the thread demanding everyone disprove your lack of understanding of what you're yammering about with the detailed science.

Well guess what, Skippy, I don't need the science either...All I need to do is recall the child's stories of the boy who cried wolf and of Chicken Little to know that you're completely full of shit.
I don’t control the tone you assign to my words. I haven’t called anyone stupid, nor have I insulted anyone’s views. Critiquing logic or patterns of argument isn’t the same as dismissing a person or their beliefs.

You, on the other hand, have insulted me and made it personal probably half a dozen times by now. Maybe you're projecting your own sense of superiority onto me and letting it bother you.
 
It is only an ad hom if you are too dense, or don't understand the connection between who is funding the researchers, and who is pushing the so called-need to do something about this manufactured problem

This is akin to a heroine addict being part of an intervention for his alcoholic friend.

Actions speak louder than propaganda.

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Even if funding creates pressure or bias, science isn’t a secret cabal. Every major climate claim is subject to peer review, replication, and public scrutiny. Independent researchers worldwide, satellite teams, oceanographers, glaciologists, all verify the same trends. You’d need global collusion across disciplines, continents, and decades to fake this, which is implausible. Funding can influence framing or hype, but it cannot rewrite physics or erase observational data.
 
Even if funding creates pressure or bias, science isn’t a secret cabal. Every major climate claim is subject to peer review, replication, and public scrutiny. Independent researchers worldwide, satellite teams, oceanographers, glaciologists, all verify the same trends. You’d need global collusion across disciplines, continents, and decades to fake this, which is implausible. Funding can influence framing or hype, but it cannot rewrite physics or erase observational data.
Maybe you are too young to remember Climate Gate, but what you wrote seems from our perspective, the height of naivety.
 
Prove it.
You can quantify it. A single large climate model run might use megawatt hours of electricity, producing a few tons of CO2. Climate models guide policies that reduce fossil fuel use at gigaton scale, so the energy they consume is negligible in comparison.
 
I laid out exactly why the incentive structure for scientists points toward breaking consensus, not maintaining it. Fame, career advancement, peer review, replication challenges, every incentive a scientist has rewards them for proving the consensus wrong, not for protecting it.
Is that why 90% of college professors are in lockstep political agreement? What planet do you live on?
 
You can quantify it. A single large climate model run might use megawatt hours of electricity, producing a few tons of CO2. Climate models guide policies that reduce fossil fuel use at gigaton scale, so the energy they consume is negligible in comparison.
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You have been reduced to making up data now. Not wholly unlike the quacks at East Anglia.
 
Is that why 90% of college professors are in lockstep political agreement? What planet do you live on?
Political views among professors are social, not evidence that the scientific method is compromised. Fame, career advancement, and peer review reward novel, replicable results, not protecting consensus. Across decades and disciplines, every incentive in research pushes scientists to challenge prevailing theories, which is why overturning established ideas is so rare: it’s hard. Consensus exists because the evidence is overwhelming, not because everyone is politically aligned.
 
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You have been reduced to making up data now. Not wholly unlike the quacks at East Anglia.
Those numbers aren’t made up. They’re based on published energy use estimates for HPC clusters running climate models. Even if they were slightly off, the scale difference is obvious: models consume a few tons of CO2 versus policies that can avoid billions of tons from fossil fuels. Pointing at a tiny fraction to dismiss decades of empirical observation is a classic red herring.
 
the scale difference is obvious: models consume a few tons of CO2 versus policies that can avoid billions of tons from fossil fuels.
How much CO2 is produced to acquire the data which these fraudulent models use?
 
reward novel, replicable results,
There is no such thing as results that are reproducible when computer models are used.

Models vary.

The justification for this pseudo-science is the same as the justification for the world's religions.

Any result that are at odds with the paradigm are thrown out as an unacceptable computer model error.
 
How much CO2 is produced to acquire the data which these fraudulent models use?
Data comes from satellites, ocean buoys, ice cores and other measurements. Running climate models to interpret that data adds a few tons of CO2 per large run. Compared to the gigatons of CO2 that informed policy can avoid, this is trivial. Your argument collapses under scrutiny.
 
Ask anyone if the climate changes and they'll say yes. It doesn't mean the Earth is on the brink of disaster. How stupid you have to be to float this climate disaster garbage.
 
There is no such thing as results that are reproducible when computer models are used.

Models vary.

The justification for this pseudo-science is the same as the justification for the world's religions.

Any result that are at odds with the paradigm are thrown out as an unacceptable computer model error.
Computer models are tools for simulating complex systems, not oracles. Variation between runs isn’t a flaw. It’s part of uncertainty quantification, and results are tested against real world observations like temperature records, ice cores, and satellite data. Claiming disagreement with a model is automatically thrown out ignores peer review, replication, and validation. Science isn’t a religion, it’s an iterative, falsifiable process.
 
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You're quoting a real principle and applying it in exactly the wrong direction.

That quote is typically used to explain how powerful interests can act in concert without explicit coordination. Oil companies don't need a secret meeting to all fund climate denial. Their interests naturally converge on the same outcome so they independently arrive at the same strategy. That's a valid concept.

But you're using it to defend the wrong side. You seem to be implying that scientific consensus is the product of converging interests rather than converging evidence. That scientists all agree because they share some common incentive to agree, not because the data points in one direction.

I already killed that argument in my post. I laid out exactly why the incentive structure for scientists points toward breaking consensus, not maintaining it. Fame, career advancement, peer review, replication challenges, every incentive a scientist has rewards them for proving the consensus wrong, not for protecting it.

Where interests converge without conspiracy is actually my argument about the fossil fuel industry. Their interests naturally converge on delaying regulation. They don't need a secret cabal. They just independently fund doubt because it serves their bottom line. That's the convergence. That's where the quote applies.

You grabbed a smart line and pointed it at the wrong target.

Explain how that principle applies to thousands of underpaid scientists whose career incentives reward them for breaking consensus, not maintaining it.

Your quote supports my argument.
Scientific evidence is dependent upon repeatable experimentation. Show the experiment where humans were able to change the Earth's climate. Like, make it rain in drought areas, stop a storm, redirect a cyclone, etc.
 
Ask anyone if the climate changes and they'll say yes. It doesn't mean the Earth is on the brink of disaster. How stupid you have to be to float this climate disaster garbage.
I didn't say the Earth is on the brink of disaster. A lot of scientists aren't actually saying that either. There is no consensus on timelines or the scale of impact.
 
I didn't say the Earth is on the brink of disaster. A lot of scientists aren't actually saying that either. There is no consensus on timelines or the scale of impact.
Well then climate changes. Thanks Capt. Obvious.
 
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