Three of A Kind: Environmentalism, Communism, and Failure

[PoliticalChic]

"human beings are motivated by self-interest rather than collective interests."

And therein lies the flaw in communism, environmentalism, socialism, and every other collectivist philosophy.

What that tells me is that is why we need collectivist philosophies.

It might be in my "self-Interest" to make a huge profit on a plant that dumps toxin into the water supply. I can always have water brought in.

For the thousands of people who might get cancer from that water supply, they have a collective interest in making sure i don't do that.

You probably aren't old enough to remember what smog alerts looked like, but I am. I remember not being able to see the sun because the smog hanging over Chicago was so thick in the summers back in the 1970's.

I should also point out that the EPA was started by that raging Communist, Richard Nixon.

"For the thousands of people who might get cancer from that water supply, they have a collective interest in making sure i don't do that."

Yet, you poison the civil discourse every day, and conservatives have no intention of depriving you of your right.

I strongly recommend you review the French Revolution's theme of the 'general will,' and what should happen to show who do not subscribe to same.




If only you had studied, and learned from, history.

Napoleon used the Gillotien..

Actually, Napoleon used the cannon....but I get your point.

Maybe that's how your moronic follower spells guillotine? You really appeal to the illiterati.

Let/s review.

The essence of the thread to which you voluntarily subscribed is that environmentalism is simply a spin-off of communism.

Both are based on telling other folks what to do and ready and willing to apply force if their wishes are not fulfilled.

Of course, the same describes Liberalism and Progressivism.


You Leftists avoid the truth, that self-interest and the profit motive are a hallmark of human nature.....and that is why every iteration of collectivism is doomed.

That, and the fact that you are stupid.


This, from the OP, pretty significant..."The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it, and has been far more interested in fighting material inequality than tyranny, which is why Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, etc., tend to have the support of Leftists around the world."
Yet you were afraid to touch it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Clean air and clean water is another form of communism????

What a tard.

Governmental oppression is Marxist.

Don't you know that?

 

[Derideo_Te]

The liberal spirit of collectivism is the same thing Hitler used to gain consensus against the Jewish people. The Ends then justified the means, any means to rid itself of these people they deemed unfit or a problem in their grand scheme of global control. And just like many collectivists before him they came to violent ends. Stalin, Marx, Mao, all of these individuals murdered millions of people before the people took them out at great cost.

Marx never had political power, and Stalin and Mao died peacefully in their beds.

As for Hitler, Hitler was just the end result of a major religion who said, "The Jews Killed our God-Man".

Yes, Stalin died peacefully, but 60 to 80 million of his subjects died horribly in the gulags. Mao likewise died peacefully, however 100 to 150 million of his subjects were murdered to appease his blood lust. Hitler was, like the previous two, an atheist. You atheists try and disown him, but the evidence is very clear as to what he was. He used religion as a tool, nothing more.

Assumes facts not in evidence!

Hitler was raised as a devout catholic. Stalin was educated in a seminary to become a priest. Mao was raised as a Buddhist and is quoted as saying that it is wrong to be opposed to religion.

Now why don't you erroneously accuse me "derailing this thread" because you introduced the red herring of atheism in order to slander it without any factual basis.

BTW I am taking an image of this post so that I will have the evidence if you attempt to delete it instead of addressing your falsehoods.

Yes, you clown faces have an amazingly juvenile need to run to momma when you get your asses handed to you. Some day I hope you grow up. Now, in order...As stated before, what a person is raised makes no difference to what they become. That atheist hero of yours Richard Dawkins described his childhood as "a normal Anglican upbringing". So, by your idiotic logic he can't then be an atheist. Do you see how retarded that statement of yours is?

Stalins father was a Orthodox Priest, and so Stalin followed the father into the Church, however, when he became a revolutionary he famously stated..
"You know, they are fooling us, there is no God… all this talk about God is sheer nonsense." -E. Yaroslavsky, Landmarks in the Life of Stalin

Under Stalin the Russian Orthodox Church suffered heavily. They were reduced from 50,000 operating churches to under 500. Then during the war he relieved some of the pressure to get the people to fight harder, but once the war was over he cracked down on the Church yet again.

Now Mao is easy, we find in The Writings of Mao Zedong, 1949-1976: January 1956-December 1957 By Zedong Mao, Michael Y.M. Kau, John K Leung (October-December 1957/page 791) that he wrote the following...

“Atheism must take the place of belief in a God.”

Although China is a socialist country, Buddhism is protected according to national policy. The late Chairman Mao Zedong said when he received delegations from Peru in 1964 that:

“it is wrong to tell people to be against religion.”

“religious people would oppose us… believing in a certain religion doesn’t mean people don’t oppose imperialism, feudalism and bureaucratic capitalism.”

The late Chairman Mao Zedong said when he received delegations from Peru in 1964 that:

“it is wrong to tell people to be against religion.”

Oh the irony coming from someone who doesn't even understand the quotes he used.

Here are the quotes in speeches where Hitler proclaimed himself as a Christian.

Hitler s Christianity

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

We are a people of different faiths, but we are one. Which faith conquers the other is not the question; rather, the question is whether Christianity stands or falls.... We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]​

In fact Hitler even denounced Atheism and swore to eradicate it.

We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933​

Once again your pathetic canards are exposed as hogwash. I don't expect you to be man enough to admit when you are wrong though. You lack the honesty and integrity for that kind of courage.

Now go ahead and delete this post because they all being compiled in a dossier that will be used as evidence.

 

[Derideo_Te]

you clown faces

How ironic coming from another "clown face".

 

[orogenicman]

I honestly hope that they unlock the doors some day and let Political Spice out into the real world.

Hey, only failure i've seen lately is how your boy Bush gave you guys everything on your wish list and created the worst economic disaster in 80 years.

You don't REALLY want that thing out in the real world, do you? Oh no!!!!!

 

[Camp]

Did I miss the part where FDR caused air pollution?

 

[Esmeralda]

It cannot be stated often enough that environmentalism, far from a science, is merely one more way that Marxism is transfused into society.



1. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.

1. 1. Therefore, emotions, such as love, are no more than chemistry. And it suggests that it is only genes and environment that determine our actions, and free will plays no role. And, of course, God and religious beliefs are nonsense.
   2. From Marx on, the Left has fought against religion for the above reason, and because they understood how difficult it is to get religious people to engage in revolution for the purpose of bettering their material lives. Such folks often relegate the material world to lower priority than the spiritual, moral and intellectual world. 2. The Left’s concept of materialism broadens into the overarching desire to see every individual materially equal. The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it, and has been far more interested in fighting material inequality than tyranny, which is why Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, etc., tend to have the support of Leftists around the world.

3. End social and economic inequality and one will have Utopia! Sadly, attempts toward creation of utopia in this world lead to dystopia. Which leads to this comparison: conservatives marvel at how good America is, Leftists want to ‘transform’ it. Prager, ”Still The Best Hope”



4. On the obverse, capitalism and profit are anathema to Marxists....and that view is central to its spin-off, environmentalism. While nature is the highest goal for this 'art,' at the lowest level we find critiques of 'greed,' and 'evil corporations,' and 'that virus known as mankind.'



5. Environmental activist Wallace Kaufman spotlights the error in the above in an anecdote in his perceptive tome, " No Turning Back: Dismantling the Fantasies of Environmental Thinking."
He writes:
"...Stanley Selengut, who runs Maho Bay Camp in the US Virgin Islands as an ecotourism resort, says protecting the environment pays. [He uses] recycled materials, and natural energy sources, serves health foods, landscapes with natural plants, uses low-flow toilets and showers, avoids toxic materials, encourages the simple life, and more.....solar panels and a windmill. And Stanley doesn't mind telling everyone that Maho Bay makes a 20 percent profit!

...but the broad generalizations that people make from his success do not hold up. Stanley succeeds in great measure because his resort appeals to environmentalists who believe what he is doing is right.

In a similar manner, a church survives and grows because its believers fill the offering plate, not because its faith is better than another faith."


Seems that applying environmentalist doctrine to society in general would benefit all......

....or does it.

LOL You are funny.

I had the same response upon perusing your college transcript.

That is some pathetic comeback.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Once again the OP fails to substantiate her ludicrous premise. There was nothing in the Communist Manifesto about environmentalism and no environmentalist espouses communism.

Onus is on PoliticalSpice to provide the links and quotes to prove that there is a connection.

Needless to say her kneejerk response will be the predictable feeble attempt to belittle any criticism that she cannot refute.

SPOT ON! Methinks PC needs soma.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It cannot be stated often enough that environmentalism, far from a science, is merely one more way that Marxism is transfused into society.



1. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.

1. 1. Therefore, emotions, such as love, are no more than chemistry. And it suggests that it is only genes and environment that determine our actions, and free will plays no role. And, of course, God and religious beliefs are nonsense.
   2. From Marx on, the Left has fought against religion for the above reason, and because they understood how difficult it is to get religious people to engage in revolution for the purpose of bettering their material lives. Such folks often relegate the material world to lower priority than the spiritual, moral and intellectual world. 2. The Left’s concept of materialism broadens into the overarching desire to see every individual materially equal. The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it, and has been far more interested in fighting material inequality than tyranny, which is why Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, etc., tend to have the support of Leftists around the world.

3. End social and economic inequality and one will have Utopia! Sadly, attempts toward creation of utopia in this world lead to dystopia. Which leads to this comparison: conservatives marvel at how good America is, Leftists want to ‘transform’ it. Prager, ”Still The Best Hope”



4. On the obverse, capitalism and profit are anathema to Marxists....and that view is central to its spin-off, environmentalism. While nature is the highest goal for this 'art,' at the lowest level we find critiques of 'greed,' and 'evil corporations,' and 'that virus known as mankind.'



5. Environmental activist Wallace Kaufman spotlights the error in the above in an anecdote in his perceptive tome, " No Turning Back: Dismantling the Fantasies of Environmental Thinking."
He writes:
"...Stanley Selengut, who runs Maho Bay Camp in the US Virgin Islands as an ecotourism resort, says protecting the environment pays. [He uses] recycled materials, and natural energy sources, serves health foods, landscapes with natural plants, uses low-flow toilets and showers, avoids toxic materials, encourages the simple life, and more.....solar panels and a windmill. And Stanley doesn't mind telling everyone that Maho Bay makes a 20 percent profit!

...but the broad generalizations that people make from his success do not hold up. Stanley succeeds in great measure because his resort appeals to environmentalists who believe what he is doing is right.

In a similar manner, a church survives and grows because its believers fill the offering plate, not because its faith is better than another faith."


Seems that applying environmentalist doctrine to society in general would benefit all......

....or does it.

LOL You are funny.

I had the same response upon perusing your college transcript.

That is some pathetic comeback.

Sweets to the sweet.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Once again the OP fails to substantiate her ludicrous premise. There was nothing in the Communist Manifesto about environmentalism and no environmentalist espouses communism.

Onus is on PoliticalSpice to provide the links and quotes to prove that there is a connection.

Needless to say her kneejerk response will be the predictable feeble attempt to belittle any criticism that she cannot refute.

"....to prove that there is a connection."

prove
(pro͞ov)
v. proved, proved or prov·en (pro͞o′vən), prov·ing, proves
v.tr.
1.
a. To establish the truth or validity of (something) by the presentation of argument orevidence: The novel proves that the essayist can write in more than one genre. Thestorm proved him to be wrong in his prediction.
b. To demonstrate the reality of (something): He proved his strength by doing 50pushups.
prove - definition of prove by The Free Dictionary



If I hadn't done so, you wouldn't be squealing like a stuck pig.

Apologies to pigs.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Once again the OP fails to substantiate her ludicrous premise. There was nothing in the Communist Manifesto about environmentalism and no environmentalist espouses communism.

Onus is on PoliticalSpice to provide the links and quotes to prove that there is a connection.

Needless to say her kneejerk response will be the predictable feeble attempt to belittle any criticism that she cannot refute.

"....to prove that there is a connection."

prove
(pro͞ov)
v. proved, proved or prov·en (pro͞o′vən), prov·ing, proves
v.tr.
1.
a. To establish the truth or validity of (something) by the presentation of argument orevidence: The novel proves that the essayist can write in more than one genre. Thestorm proved him to be wrong in his prediction.
b. To demonstrate the reality of (something): He proved his strength by doing 50pushups.
prove - definition of prove by The Free Dictionary



If I hadn't done so, you wouldn't be squealing like a stuck pig.

Apologies to pigs.

Your feckless response proves that I was right about you inability to deal with legitimate criticism, PoliticalSpice.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Once again the OP fails to substantiate her ludicrous premise. There was nothing in the Communist Manifesto about environmentalism and no environmentalist espouses communism.

Onus is on PoliticalSpice to provide the links and quotes to prove that there is a connection.

Needless to say her kneejerk response will be the predictable feeble attempt to belittle any criticism that she cannot refute.

"....to prove that there is a connection."

prove
(pro͞ov)
v. proved, proved or prov·en (pro͞o′vən), prov·ing, proves
v.tr.
1.
a. To establish the truth or validity of (something) by the presentation of argument orevidence: The novel proves that the essayist can write in more than one genre. Thestorm proved him to be wrong in his prediction.
b. To demonstrate the reality of (something): He proved his strength by doing 50pushups.
prove - definition of prove by The Free Dictionary



If I hadn't done so, you wouldn't be squealing like a stuck pig.

Apologies to pigs.

Your feckless response proves that I was right about you inability to deal with legitimate criticism, PoliticalSpice.

Did you say 'proves'???

As in, the thread 'proves' that environmentalism is simply one more guise of communism, and both are doomed to failure?

Great.

 

[Statistikhengst]

It cannot be stated often enough that environmentalism, far from a science, is merely one more way that Marxism is transfused into society.



1. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real.

1. 1. Therefore, emotions, such as love, are no more than chemistry. And it suggests that it is only genes and environment that determine our actions, and free will plays no role. And, of course, God and religious beliefs are nonsense.
   2. From Marx on, the Left has fought against religion for the above reason, and because they understood how difficult it is to get religious people to engage in revolution for the purpose of bettering their material lives. Such folks often relegate the material world to lower priority than the spiritual, moral and intellectual world. 2. The Left’s concept of materialism broadens into the overarching desire to see every individual materially equal. The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it, and has been far more interested in fighting material inequality than tyranny, which is why Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, etc., tend to have the support of Leftists around the world.

3. End social and economic inequality and one will have Utopia! Sadly, attempts toward creation of utopia in this world lead to dystopia. Which leads to this comparison: conservatives marvel at how good America is, Leftists want to ‘transform’ it. Prager, ”Still The Best Hope”



4. On the obverse, capitalism and profit are anathema to Marxists....and that view is central to its spin-off, environmentalism. While nature is the highest goal for this 'art,' at the lowest level we find critiques of 'greed,' and 'evil corporations,' and 'that virus known as mankind.'



5. Environmental activist Wallace Kaufman spotlights the error in the above in an anecdote in his perceptive tome, " No Turning Back: Dismantling the Fantasies of Environmental Thinking."
He writes:
"...Stanley Selengut, who runs Maho Bay Camp in the US Virgin Islands as an ecotourism resort, says protecting the environment pays. [He uses] recycled materials, and natural energy sources, serves health foods, landscapes with natural plants, uses low-flow toilets and showers, avoids toxic materials, encourages the simple life, and more.....solar panels and a windmill. And Stanley doesn't mind telling everyone that Maho Bay makes a 20 percent profit!

...but the broad generalizations that people make from his success do not hold up. Stanley succeeds in great measure because his resort appeals to environmentalists who believe what he is doing is right.

In a similar manner, a church survives and grows because its believers fill the offering plate, not because its faith is better than another faith."


Seems that applying environmentalist doctrine to society in general would benefit all......

....or does it.

LOL You are funny.

I had the same response upon perusing your college transcript.

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[danielpalos]

It isn't communism that is failing but the cognitive dissonance of the right who believe they are not communists by merely proclaiming in public venues, how much the "cult of capitalism" is really Worth.

 

[jc456]

Once again the OP fails to substantiate her ludicrous premise. There was nothing in the Communist Manifesto about environmentalism and no environmentalist espouses communism.

Onus is on PoliticalSpice to provide the links and quotes to prove that there is a connection.

Needless to say her kneejerk response will be the predictable feeble attempt to belittle any criticism that she cannot refute.

back in the original days of communism, that would be correct. The movement has evolved into using climate as their new format to transformation of the manifesto.

 

[Camp]

Communism hiding behind major league sports would be far more exciting a topic than all this communism hiding behind environmentalism nonsense. What could be more communist and fascist than the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, etc.?

 

[Derideo_Te]

Once again the OP fails to substantiate her ludicrous premise. There was nothing in the Communist Manifesto about environmentalism and no environmentalist espouses communism.

Onus is on PoliticalSpice to provide the links and quotes to prove that there is a connection.

Needless to say her kneejerk response will be the predictable feeble attempt to belittle any criticism that she cannot refute.

back in the original days of communism, that would be correct. The movement has evolved into using climate as their new format to transformation of the manifesto.

Onus is on you to provide this fictional "updated communist manifesto" and indicate exactly where it allegedly embraces environmentalism.

 

[jc456]

Once again the OP fails to substantiate her ludicrous premise. There was nothing in the Communist Manifesto about environmentalism and no environmentalist espouses communism.

Onus is on PoliticalSpice to provide the links and quotes to prove that there is a connection.

Needless to say her kneejerk response will be the predictable feeble attempt to belittle any criticism that she cannot refute.

back in the original days of communism, that would be correct. The movement has evolved into using climate as their new format to transformation of the manifesto.

Onus is on you to provide this fictional "updated communist manifesto" and indicate exactly where it allegedly embraces environmentalism.

onus is on me? The grant and funding already does that.
link: UN IPCC Official Admits We Redistribute World s Wealth By Climate Policy

 

[Derideo_Te]

Once again the OP fails to substantiate her ludicrous premise. There was nothing in the Communist Manifesto about environmentalism and no environmentalist espouses communism.

Onus is on PoliticalSpice to provide the links and quotes to prove that there is a connection.

Needless to say her kneejerk response will be the predictable feeble attempt to belittle any criticism that she cannot refute.

back in the original days of communism, that would be correct. The movement has evolved into using climate as their new format to transformation of the manifesto.

Onus is on you to provide this fictional "updated communist manifesto" and indicate exactly where it allegedly embraces environmentalism.

onus is on me? The grant and funding already does that.
link: UN IPCC Official Admits We Redistribute World s Wealth By Climate Policy

That is not an "updated communist manifesto".

That is a link to a rabid extremist rightwing disinformation website.

Try again.

 

[jc456]

Once again the OP fails to substantiate her ludicrous premise. There was nothing in the Communist Manifesto about environmentalism and no environmentalist espouses communism.

Onus is on PoliticalSpice to provide the links and quotes to prove that there is a connection.

Needless to say her kneejerk response will be the predictable feeble attempt to belittle any criticism that she cannot refute.

back in the original days of communism, that would be correct. The movement has evolved into using climate as their new format to transformation of the manifesto.

Onus is on you to provide this fictional "updated communist manifesto" and indicate exactly where it allegedly embraces environmentalism.

onus is on me? The grant and funding already does that.
link: UN IPCC Official Admits We Redistribute World s Wealth By Climate Policy

That is not an "updated communist manifesto".

That is a link to a rabid extremist rightwing disinformation website.

Try again.

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