Thoughts about repairing the FBI

[BackAgain]

In another thread, a discussion has been continued about the concept of breaking down the present FBI in order rebuild it, in order to resolve a problem inherent in it which we are now seeing. (More accurately, some of us are seeing it. Some are not). It was suggested by Zincwarrior , therefore, that maybe we could generate a thread on the topic.

Here is the relevant portion of how it began:

I think we might want to consider making it a more regional office and less a centralized one. We might also need to consider limitingits jurisdiction in a way that permits OTHER (already existing) central government law enforcement agencies to assume the lead role in various investigations. We would also want for there to be institutionalized early checks and balances put into place. (In theory, I’m referring to something akin to immediate Congressional oversight — but that could take any form.) Such checks and balances could take a variety of forms and evert such notion would probably have drawbacks. But that wouldn’t be a reason not to forge ahead.

What we would be seeking to do is to make it much more difficult for guys like a Mueller or a Wray (or a Hoover) to engage in clandestine behavior (possibly at odds with our Constitutional precepts) behind some impenetrable wall of secrecy. While no man-made tinkering will likely be perfect, I believe we can — and need to — do a whole lot better.

So. Thread topicS ARE: whether we should revamp our FBI? whether there is some other/better method to avoid this odious politicization of the bureau? If we do revamp the FBI, how should it be done?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

They should pass some new laws that make using the DOJ and the FBI as political tools a crime with high prison times.

 

[Muhammed]

In another thread, a discussion has been continued about the concept of breaking down the present FBI in order rebuild it, in order to resolve a problem inherent in it which we are now seeing. (More accurately, some of us are seeing it. Some are not). It was suggested by Zincwarrior , therefore, that maybe we could generate a thread on the topic.

Here is the relevant portion of how it began:


So. Thread topicS ARE: whether we should revamp our FBI? whether there is some other/better method to avoid this odious politicization of the bureau? If we do revamp the FBI, how should it be done?

Fire the top 50 or so who have the most power to be corrupt cops. If the problem persists, fire 50 more etc.. etc... et cetera until the problem is solved.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Here are some interesting articles from a variety of perspectives.

Here's how to reform the FBI

Republican sights are set on the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Everywhere you turn, GOP notables are demanding that the FBI be reinvented — or perhaps disbanded altogether. For any civil libertarian, the Bureau, which functions as America’s secret police, as well as the top federal law…

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Focusing the FBI

The bureau had all the authorities it needed to stop the January 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. Congress needs to streamline the FBI’s powers, not expand them.

www.brennancenter.org

The Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation Announce Critical Reforms to Enhance Compliance, Oversight, and Accountability at the FBI

www.justice.gov

A Call for FBI Reform | ACLU

www.aclu.org

I have not gone into detail in reading these yet, but I like the concept of separating the anti-counterespionage and potentially counterterrorism activities to a separate entity.

Another option of interest is several smaller entities focused on various interest crimes, which combine the FBI, BATF, Treasury etc. These entities would be in an umbrella format backed up by a centralized technical department with the labs, tech stuff and all the cool wizardry stuff.

We should look at the UK, France, and Germany to see how they do things. These countries also have expertise in international borders, terrorism, and counterespionage - UK particularly.

Just some thoughts.

EDIT (already) I guess first steps would be to define what the potential problems are.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

In another thread, a discussion has been continued about the concept of breaking down the present FBI in order rebuild it, in order to resolve a problem inherent in it which we are now seeing. (More accurately, some of us are seeing it. Some are not). It was suggested by Zincwarrior , therefore, that maybe we could generate a thread on the topic.

Here is the relevant portion of how it began:


So. Thread topicS ARE: whether we should revamp our FBI? whether there is some other/better method to avoid this odious politicization of the bureau? If we do revamp the FBI, how should it be done?

Nothing to revamp. So, no. You see a problem and have a problem because the man you supported, loved, and held up as the savior of your race, turned out to be a corrupt, incompetent grifter...which isn't news to those of us who have been watching him for four decades. He made all his own issues and now you want to blame the FBI for doing the job they are asked to do? These are civil servants DOING THEIR JOB!! And here you are, politicizing it. It begs the question, what is your endgame?

 

[Votto]

In another thread, a discussion has been continued about the concept of breaking down the present FBI in order rebuild it, in order to resolve a problem inherent in it which we are now seeing. (More accurately, some of us are seeing it. Some are not). It was suggested by Zincwarrior , therefore, that maybe we could generate a thread on the topic.

Here is the relevant portion of how it began:


So. Thread topicS ARE: whether we should revamp our FBI? whether there is some other/better method to avoid this odious politicization of the bureau? If we do revamp the FBI, how should it be done?

It's called disbanding it.

Don't see how the federal government can run it without it becoming a partisan hell hole, much like how the GOP controlled it with Hoover along with their myriad of abuses

This is nothing new

Wakey, wakey.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I'll take that. On my end an entity focused on interstate crime, more efficient, better at catching spies, and less subject to going after political opponents of the day. The right argues they have been used against them recently. The left remembers when they were used against civil rights groups and political parties the government didn't like.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Nothing to revamp. So, no. You see a problem and have a problem because the man you supported, loved, and held up as the savior of your race, turned out to be a corrupt, incompetent grifter...which isn't news to those of us who have been watching him for four decades. He made all his own issues and now you want to blame the FBI for doing the job they are asked to do? These are civil servants DOING THEIR JOB!! And here you are, politicizing it. It begs the question, what is your endgame?

The FBI is corrupt as hell.

Why do you accept it?

 

[Billo_Really]

In another thread, a discussion has been continued about the concept of breaking down the present FBI in order rebuild it, in order to resolve a problem inherent in it which we are now seeing. (More accurately, some of us are seeing it. Some are not). It was suggested by Zincwarrior , therefore, that maybe we could generate a thread on the topic.

Here is the relevant portion of how it began:


So. Thread topicS ARE: whether we should revamp our FBI? whether there is some other/better method to avoid this odious politicization of the bureau? If we do revamp the FBI, how should it be done?

The FBI is fine the way it is. If it can survive President Trump trying to weaponize it during his 4 years in office, then it can survive anything.

 

[easyt65]

Fire Wray and purge the FBI leadership abd agency of corrupt, partisan, criminal members.
- Purge DOJ of ex-FBI Hillary/Obama failed Russian Coup participants who moved from FBI to DOJ

Appoint a new Director of FBI from outside the agency AND appoint someone from to monitor all FBI actions, like FISA Court Applications.

Hold agency / Directors/ agents accountable for their actions.
- If Durham finds agents now under investigation guilty of crimes hold public indictments / trials

TRANSPARENCY, TRANPARENCT, TRANSPARENCY.....

 

[AntonToo]

Can you even imagine blaming the serial law breaker for ending up under investigation?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

The FBI is corrupt as hell.

Why do you accept it?

Your side feels aggrieved. So you politicized it. It is not corrupt. You are.

 

[Zincwarrior]

It's called disbanding it.

Don't see how the federal government can run it without it becoming a partisan hell hole, much like how the GOP controlled it with Hoover along with their myriad of abuses

Counterterrorism/espionage, and interstate crimes are still a thing. Someone has to do it.

 

[mamooth]

Thread summary:

Republicans want to make the FBI the official enforcement arm of the GOP, which only investigates CrimesAgainstTheParty, while Democrats want to keep it independent.

As always, moral high ground to the Democrats.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Your side feels aggrieved. So you politicized it. It is not corrupt. You are.

The FBI is not corrupt? How about how Comey fucked Hillary? That was not corrupt?

 

[Baron Von Murderpaws]

We don't need the CIA, FBI, IRS, DOJ, ICE, or any of that bullshit.

We just need ONE all inclusive security force that can handle anything that comes up.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Thread summary:

Republicans want to make the FBI the official enforcement arm of the GOP, which only investigates CrimesAgainstTheParty, while Democrats want to keep it independent.

As always, moral high ground to the Democrats.

You should be careful with that argument. You'll note two of the reform articles I included were from the ACLU and the Brennan Center. In the past the FBI was used against the Black Panthers, MLK, communists and various Democrats as well.

 

[Zincwarrior]

We don't need the CIA, FBI, IRS, DOJ, ICE, or any of that bullshit.

We just need ONE all inclusive security force that can handle anything that comes up.

I've got it - CONTROL!

 

[mamooth]

We don't need the CIA, FBI, IRS, DOJ, ICE, or any of that bullshit.

We just need ONE all inclusive security force that can handle anything that comes up.

So, you want a superduperduper police agency with ultimate powers.

Dang. That's some serious police state worship.

 

[BackAgain]

Nothing to revamp. So, no. You see a problem and have a problem because the man you supported, loved, and held up as the savior of your race, turned out to be a corrupt, incompetent grifter...which isn't news to those of us who have been watching him for four decades. He made all his own issues and now you want to blame the FBI for doing the job they are asked to do? These are civil servants DOING THEIR JOB!! And here you are, politicizing it. It begs the question, what is your endgame?

No. I see a problem that exists. You don’t wish to see it because you happen to approve of the lawlessness as long as it’s directed against one of your political opponents.

That’s the problem with your type. You ONLY would consider it an issue or a problem if it were happening to Brandon or Shrillary. In actuality, however, the FBI was never supposed to be used as a tool of any political party.