Thomas Massie’s America First

[Billiejeens]

Lol, sit. For some odd reason you go out of your way to trying to defend that dumbass Yours Truly. In fact you have a couple of days now.

Don't try it again

I am not defending him.

There is plenty to attack him for.

Being anything on the left is not one on them though.

He is mad because the only party that could possibly be conservative is not conservative enough for him.

He rightfully has no hope for the Democrats.

 

[OldFlame]

Refrain from routinely soliciting low-value pecker waving exercises between big government red helmet wearing statists and big government blue helmet wearing statists so as to try to establish some foolish, naive illusion of difference.

For starters.

If assistance is needed to overcome this voluntary shortcoming, be aware that we have a very good guide in the constitution and if we all take the time to understand it and learn to regard it then we will all be dedicated conservatives.

So in other words, let the D's have power and destroy what's left of the Constitution, no thanks.

 

[Natural Citizen]

So in other words, let the D's have power and destroy what's left of the Constitution, no thanks.

Hm. Okay. So, then, I suppose that you are content to remain in the low-value pecker waving exercise category between big government red helmet wearing statists and big government blue helmet wearing statists so as to try to establish some foolish, naive illusion of difference while continuing to kick the can down the road.

 

[OldFlame]

That's what we've got to get over. We have to grow spines as voters and dismiss the fear mongering, stop giving in to L02E. If we don't, we're just going to keep getting the "lesser" we're voting for. And lesser, and lesser and lesser.

Please tell us how we control who decides to run for office?

 

[YoursTruly]

Don't make me go to use a big powerful multi-screen work PC where I would mop the floor with your lack of common sense.

Let's dance, tough guy. Bring it on,

2 HUGE spending bills that came across his desk. Been over this. Last time it caused longest shutdown. Was not helpful.
He could've demanded that Johnson pass legislation that massively cuts spending. ^^^^

Trump told Johnson to pass the December CR. Saying they'd make the HUGE cuts in March. March came and that CR was even bigger than the one in December.
The next one came in July. 4 months later, and once again, Trump did not demand massive spending cuts be put into the bill. Trump and Johnsons excuse was the same as the one in March. "They didn't have time."

Really? Trumps been running for reelection since 2021. Johnson has been the house speaker for 2 years. And there's been plenty of time to come up with a spending bill with massive cuts

That's called "kicking the can," dood. Something RINO's are better at than the democrats.

He could've stopped funding/supplying Ukraine & Israel. He tried to stop ukraine. As far as I know it is stopped.

LMAO.. Trump sent Ukraine stuff only back in March.

He could've declassified all of the Epstein information. A lot of it was released. it is redacted by someone? Courts? You blame Trump w/o facts?

The list hasn't been blocked by the courts. Plus the president doesn't need a court to declassify anything. The DoJ and the FBI does. But not the president.

He could've ended the ban on Russian oil to help bring the prices of gas/diesel down. Good one. I wish he would. But Putin won't honor his deals. Again, Zelensky and criminal demoncrats created this mess.

No one here gives a shit about the Russian/Ukraine war. We want cheaper gas. Ending the ban on Russian oil would reduce gas prices. For the simple fact we'd have more supply. Higher supply, lower cost.

He could've halted all the socialist spending for universities. He did in many cases. Courts re-upped it after. in progress,

Only until they did what he wanted them to do. Then the funding went right to them. There should be no funding of universities. Especially from a Republican president. That's socialism. And Trump supports it.
$1 million to study worms mating habits.... (that sort of thing. And 1,000 others)

He could've stopped the government from taking partial ownership of those companies. Don't know why they bought 10% Intel but for national secuity perhaps?

Those companies can keep nation security stuff secret. They can even have government people at their facilities to ensure secrecy. The government doesn't need to "own" any part of any industry. Again, more socialism.

I know! Nothing is perfect. But it WAS a DISASTER and would be 1000X worse under 4 more years Obiden. Wake up. Wipe the TDS off your eyes. I'm out//

Blah blah blah blah blah..... With the Biden card. It's expired. Trump is a left leaning, big spending, big government, socialist supporting RINO. Who did almost all the same things as Biden did.
But here you are, still coming up with one illogical excuse after another, defending him and his policies.

 

[OldFlame]

Hm. Okay. So, then, I suppose that you are content to remain in the low-value pecker waving exercise category between big government red helmet wearing statists and big government blue helmet wearing statists so as to try to establish some foolish, naive illusion of difference while continuing to kick the can down the road.

Tell me exactly what I should do to make meaningful change to the status quo, me personally. Let's hear your plan.

 

[leftwinger]

One of them keeps going on and on about "deficiet spending" 10 years out. The Trump regime is the only one to do anything about any of it? $200B+++ from DOGE. USAID theft and waste outed and stopped (going forward)? I believe all spending now is Congressional obligations leftover. When the Trump regime tries to defund or close a Dept the courts rush in and block it. Yet, you Big-Macs keep chirping.....he added $3T over ten years? OBiden would have added $30T, yet nary a peep outa you experts.

Interest rates are high, inflating deficit spending by $1T annually. Rates were Zero for Obiden are things would look much worse for their regimes. Give it a rest. If rates come down, jobs go up, Import duties become fair both directions, maybe we annex Canada and or Greenland, Ukraine theft is ending, Israel is closing down operations......there is some good stuff happening. . But you would never know it from the Mac&Cheese bunch.

 

[OldFlame]

^^ This Mickey Mouse pablum right here illustrates the mindset perfectly that modern ''Republicans'' aren't interested in fixing themselves but rather prefer to wag their peckers back and forth with Democrats in the primary interest of creating the illusion of some difference between themselves while continuing to kick the same can down the road.

There isn't any meaniningful dfference.

And that is why genuinely fiscal conservatives and strict constitutionalists ''brow beat'' modern, establishment Republicans.

If you're not going to act like traditional Republicans, either get your shit together and quit fronting or take your medicine.

When you're only holding 50% of the equation responsible, it's meaningless.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Tell me exactly what I should do to make meaningful change to the status quo, me personally. Let's hear your plan.

Educate yourself in what surmises the tradional philosophy of American governance. The American ideal of 1776.

For starters.

As I said, and correctly so, you have a very good guide in the constitution.

How you choose to be about it rather than talking about it is up to you.

in the end, the solution is, as always, the cause of Liberty! Not the antithetical big government movement.

But liberty must first be understood rather than feared and therefore assaulted.

This is a choice. Do or do not...

 

[YoursTruly]

Please tell us how we control who decides to run for office?

LOL.. This is an easy one. Republican voters just stop supporting people like Trump & Romney. If it means they lose their ass in a couple or a few elections, the RNC will finally get the point.

The point: We're sick of RINO's. We want actual conservatives for a change. Not CINO's (conservative in name only)

Vance is clearly a RINO. So he should be rejected right off the bat. Same with Rubio. Same with Trump Jr. (because we damn sure don't need another political dynasty in this country.

 

[OldFlame]

Exactly.

As I was saying...

There you have it.

Thank you for your attention to that matter.

The Democrats, as I said, are taking control of the GOP.

And all they had to do was adopt an R.

Clearly and observably they did not and will not abandon their big-government fundamental beliefs.

You people are nuts. Truly...

Then why are all of the D's fighting them to their last breath, do you think impeaching and 'prosecuting' Trump over the last 8 years was just a charade?

 

[OldFlame]

I don't believe that Trump is a pedo.

What I do believe, however, is that he's protecting a foreign nation who very likely ran a honeytrap operation on members of congress as well as others by way of their inteligence guy, Epstein, in their longer-term endeavor to run a coup on the American congress/government.

But..that's also, in my view, precisely why the drones want to keep the dialogue/ terms of controversy regarding the matter contained only to the question of whether or not Trump was or was not a pedo.

And the foreign interests as well as Trump, as well as the congress critters who were likely caught up in the operation love them for it...

So you believe it's preferable to expose them all and allow the coup to be successful?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Then why are all of the D's fighting them to their last breath, do you think impeaching and 'prosecuting' Trump over the last 8 years was just a charade?

The same reason all of you so-called R's partake in the same exercise when it's some other other big government authoritarian wearing a blue helmet that you and yours do not like.

You've lost your way collectively speaking. It's akin to a bunch of monkeys trying to catch and hump a football.

I told you what I think.

The solution to the big government movement being populated by both big government blue helmets and big government red helmets, which is crushing the fabric of our Republic, is to join the cause of liberty!

But first effort needs to be made to understand the very concept of it rather than fearing it. In most cases, unfortunately, ones entire worldview would need to be turned upside down and fixed before any kind of true understanding of the very concept and therefore the errors in ways can be understood.

 

[leftwinger]

Let's dance, tough guy. Bring it on, wow where to begin. you are out of my league in writing skills.




Trump told Johnson to pass the December CR. Saying they'd make the HUGE cuts in March. March came and that CR was even bigger than the one in December.
The next one came in July. 4 months later, and not once again, Trump did not demand massive spending cuts be put into the bill. Trump and Johnsons excuse was the same as the one in March. "They didn't have time."

Really? Trumps been running for reelection since 2021. Johnson has been the house speak for 2 years. And there's been no time to come up with a spending bill with massive cuts.

That's called "kicking the can," dood. Something RINO's are better at than the democrats. All spending now is from past Congressional obligations. Hope it reduces next year.


LMAO.. Trump sent Ukraine stuff back only back in March. HUH?


The list hasn't been blocked by the courts. Plus the president doesn't need a court to declassify anything. The DoJ and the FBI does. But not the president. if you say so?



No one here give a shit about the Russian/Ukraine war. We want cheaper gas. Ending the ban on Russian oil would reduce gas prices. For the simple fact we'd have more supply. Higher supply, lower cost. I agreed already.


Only until they did what he wanted them to do. Then the funding went right to them. There should be no funding of universities. Especially from a Republican president. That's socialism. And Trump supports it.
$1 million to study worms mating habits.... (that sort of thing. And 1,000 others) again you ignore the Judical attack on anything Trump. Delay Delay Delay.



Those companies can keep nation security stuff secret. They can even have government people at their facilities to ensure secrecy. The government doesn't need to "own" any part of any industry. Again, more socialism. (BS. I have worked in a fortune 500 Semiconductor companies. No one is getting anything in or out unless they are foriegn spies trying to steal designs. Much safer than whatever you see or read the GOVT staff caught doing. Swallwell or dianeCrimeseen or those caught selling USA secrets).



Blah blah blah blah blah..... With the Biden card. It's expired. Trump is a left leaning, big spending, big government, socialist supporting RINO. Who did almost all the same things as Biden did.
But here you are, still coming up with one illogical excuse after another, defending him and his policies. Again. Nothing is perfect but change was urgently needed. Trump brought fast Global change. Give it more time. 2019 was the best I had ever witnessed and the Trump people were having to do it all alone. They have 98% embedded holdover commuinsts and another TDS wing like your boys to fight thru., This time it is a little bit better perhaps? Maybe we hit "Rock Bottom" in 2024? Finall, Congress is the biggest issue.

 

[leftwinger]

LOL.. This is an easy one. Republican voters just stop supporting people like Trump & Romney. If it means they lose their ass in a couple or a few elections, the RNC will finally get the point.

The point: We're sick of RINO's. We want actual conservatives for a change. Not CINO's (conservative in name only)

Vance is clearly a RINO. So he should be rejected right off the bat. Same with Rubio. Same with Trump Jr. (because we damn sure don't need another political dynasty in this country.

There will be nothing left. You will never get another vote you dumb OX. Look at MI CA ORE WASH.....look at the rules they installed. Look at AZ or GA. What they are doing. Once they get in the don't stop. They are not there for Americas best interest.

 

[YoursTruly]

One of them keeps going on and on about "deficiet spending" 10 years out. The Trump regime is the only one to do anything about any of it? $200B+++ from DOGE. USAID theft and waste outed and stopped (going forward)? I believe all spending now is Congressional obligations leftover.

Here's a clue for you, USAID is still being funded.

You didn't know that because Trump and his RINO's didn't mention that part of the spending bill.

When the Trump regime tries to defund or close a Dept the courts rush in and block it. Yet, you Big-Macs keep chirping.....he added $3T over ten years? OBiden would have added $30T, yet nary a peep outa you experts.

Here's a perfect example: Trump fully funds the Dept. of Education. Two weeks later he announces he wants to defund and end the dept. of education.
And you cultist take him serious. Even though he just fully funded it.

You still don't see the con Trump is playing on you.

Interest rates are high, inflating deficit spending by $1T annually. Rates were Zero for Obiden are things would look much worse for their regimes. Give it a rest. If rates come down, jobs go up, Import duties become fair both directions,

Interest rates have almost nothing to do with job rates. People who need to borrow money to open or expand a business, will still do so. Thinking they'll just refinance when/if the rates go down.

maybe we annex Canada and or Greenland, Ukraine theft is ending, Israel is closing down operations......there is some good stuff happening. . But you would never know it from the Mac&Cheese bunch.

Yeah. how'd that taking over other countries work out? It didn't. Even the way Trump says he's going to do it.
That BS about taking over those countries was just political theatre. And you fell for that too.

 

[dblack]

Please tell us how we control who decides to run for office?

Why do I have to tell you that?

 

[leftwinger]

I am confused? These superstar elite posters are chirping on about Vance Rubio Massie Trump........how bad they are? But nary a peep about the 1000X Obiden criminals that just got flushed out? Auto-pen pardons lied about, stolen money, Obiden judges letting 42 count criminals walk the street? 20 million free range mexicans 2021-2024, stolen 2020 using newly rigged swing states.

Nary a peep out of them on the real issues. No sirreee Bob, They got to invent new ones for three to ten years out. Void of common sense. This is now. Were teetering on full collapse. Now we have slowed the bleeding, we have a chance. But they chirp?

 

[leftwinger]

Here's a clue for you, USAID is still being funded.

You didn't know that because Trump and his RINO's didn't mention that part of the spending bill.




Here's a perfect example: Trump fully funds the Dept. of Education. Two weeks later he announces he wants to defund and end the dept. of education.
And you cultist take him serious. Even though he just fully funded it.

You still don't see the con Trump is playing on you.

Interest rates have almost nothing to do with job rates. People who need to borrow money to open or expand a business, will still do so. Thinking they'll just refinance when/if the rates go down.




Yeah. how'd that taking over other countries work out? It didn't. Even the way Trump says he's going to do it.
That BS about taking over those countries was just political theatre. And you fell for that too.

see Congressional obligations leftover dumped onto the next poor saps Your'e becoming linkless spouting BS like super dummy CARE posting.//

 

[leftwinger]

That BS about taking over those countries

No Countries will be forced to join America. Alberta, Canada is willing and optomistic about it. Maybe few other Western Countries. Sooner or later it could happen. Netherlands is neglecting Greenland. Maybe they get tired of it?