Emmett
Active Member
OK, I'll give it anyway!
I have found this board to be one of the most entertaining places to spend time I have ever seen. While I may not post thousands of entries like some I do post my feelings and opinions in a sometimes unique manner and try to interject a little humor from time to time and hope noone is offended (except Ted) when I do so.
Jim, the board is top tier man. Absolutely top tier! I do however question the censorship in regards to situations like Yukon. As was mentioned by one member, it is the new posters who usually are on the attack and will be the most likely to post an out of line statement about you or another administrator based solely on the fact that they have no history and see only the recent thread or posts and may be simply looking for a shitpot to stir. Excellent! Isn't that what we really want. I would view that as a sort of indoc training for the administrator. In my opinion all of the admin's seem able to handle these folks very well actually. By banning them we seem to lose something. Firstly, they get wjhat they came for, a stinking shitpot. Secondly we have in a sense given in to them by allowing them this privledge. Debate them, even in their venue so they can be exposed for what they are.
Kathianne is truely a jewel. Where she digs up some of the stuff she finds is wild. The research timw she must spend doing this is commendable. She has been one of the only people on this board that I have developed a back and forth chatting friendship with and that is special. I would think we are very lucky to have her skills here and would say this. If she was being attacked unfairly by an ass through a thread I know that she would be capable of handling it, or she would just stop listening. It's like a radio man. If you don't like what is on, turn the volume off. I think RWA was the dissenter on the policy of censorship, I can't remember, but he was right to have that opinion. I realize all the other admin's agreed with you about the Yukon thing but I must say I think you should have allowed him to get his lunch eaten.
It appeared to me that maybe the amount of posts Yukon had influenced your decision to ban him at that time. I have seen users with history say much worse and they were not sensored. Hmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I know I don't have much clout being only an occasional user due to restricted time allocations but I just wanted you to get ALL the opinions, even the ones that don't completely agree and not because they are just trying to "stir the pot" which I of course am not. Yukon appeared to be well on his way to making an ass of himself and I would have liked to have been here that evening so I could have helped it along a bit. The number of posts though should play no role in the decision. I read alot of the posts, almost all during the period I am on however I don't post that much as you well know. I do seem to have a very high % of posts vs. points however I must admit I don't even know how all that works, and frankly I don't much care. I just write what I write.
We have rules everywhere in life and I certainly realize that. The board needs lefties though man. Even if they are off to bad start by saying things considered "banable" they may learn from the more mature members and become productive members. There must have been something to them or they wouldn't have came to begin with. I know you will say that a simple thread ban dosen't prevent them from posting, and I agree that this should be the most stringent "punishment" we disperse but I still think the mod's appear capable of handling this sort of thing and would like to have seen this happen in this case.
Maybe I'm off on this one but if so, oh well. I mean I remember a thread I got in on a few months ago when I thought things were getting a little tacky and frankly it was the moderator I thought was being so. We all get passionate about our opinions from time to time and certainly there is no place for one that has no aspirations to make a clear debateable argument because noone wants to talk to those kinds of people. We are motivated to come here out of a clear desire to debate the issues of the day and learn more from those who post and debate, at least I am. I mean take for instance CNN, CBS, ABC and even FOX. They publish one sided stories all the time manufactured to their respective bases and have the incentive of advertising to those in their market for payments from the business sector. We simply are interested Americans who care about the issues that affect our lives and want to debate them, sometimes only to gain confidence in our own opinions by taking out our frustrations on other members. We should get used to the fact that undersireables will come here with the sole intent to cause shit and kaos. We should welcome them ALL! Everyone of them, then slam them with facts, researched details and opinions. When they are out of line we should ignore them and the lesson will be learned quicker than a ban which will simply give them further motivation to cause shit on another thread because it worked on the previous one. Bonnie seems to be very well versed in this practice as I notice she will sometimes just disappear when some of the users start to get tacky, and she seems to hardly ever respond to that activity. This sends a clear message in my opinion as I have noticed it and I am sure other members have as well. The more agressive mod's such as Jeff will stand and fight which is OK too, that's what it is about. CHOICE MAN.
I agree that this board is the most interactive product of tolerance I have seen. Others ban for just about anything. We should not ban at all ! NONE! I mean hell, look at Psycho, lord knows I would NOT WANT to live next door to the guy but he IS entertaining and stimulates the best debates out there, as do alot of the lefties they are what we are here for aren't they. I've seen folks so riled up with him (Gunny) for instance but they just handle him and the debate continues.
I'm babbling so I will close. Good job everyone. The board is an overwhelming success. All the mod's should be proud of it and the members as well. There have been thousands and thousands of wonderful debates that have taken place here and it would never have happened quite like this, anywhere else! As to those of you who look solely to stir the shitpot, do it with tact, stir it well and lets debate, but be respectaable to others and cut the namecalling and childish behavior out of the equation so as to allow the elasticity of the debate to go to the broadest ends of the spectrum and still be respectable because it is when we are at the "danger zone" ends of the debate that REAL progress will be made toward stimulating conversation. I mean, why do we come here?
I have found this board to be one of the most entertaining places to spend time I have ever seen. While I may not post thousands of entries like some I do post my feelings and opinions in a sometimes unique manner and try to interject a little humor from time to time and hope noone is offended (except Ted) when I do so.
Jim, the board is top tier man. Absolutely top tier! I do however question the censorship in regards to situations like Yukon. As was mentioned by one member, it is the new posters who usually are on the attack and will be the most likely to post an out of line statement about you or another administrator based solely on the fact that they have no history and see only the recent thread or posts and may be simply looking for a shitpot to stir. Excellent! Isn't that what we really want. I would view that as a sort of indoc training for the administrator. In my opinion all of the admin's seem able to handle these folks very well actually. By banning them we seem to lose something. Firstly, they get wjhat they came for, a stinking shitpot. Secondly we have in a sense given in to them by allowing them this privledge. Debate them, even in their venue so they can be exposed for what they are.
Kathianne is truely a jewel. Where she digs up some of the stuff she finds is wild. The research timw she must spend doing this is commendable. She has been one of the only people on this board that I have developed a back and forth chatting friendship with and that is special. I would think we are very lucky to have her skills here and would say this. If she was being attacked unfairly by an ass through a thread I know that she would be capable of handling it, or she would just stop listening. It's like a radio man. If you don't like what is on, turn the volume off. I think RWA was the dissenter on the policy of censorship, I can't remember, but he was right to have that opinion. I realize all the other admin's agreed with you about the Yukon thing but I must say I think you should have allowed him to get his lunch eaten.
It appeared to me that maybe the amount of posts Yukon had influenced your decision to ban him at that time. I have seen users with history say much worse and they were not sensored. Hmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I know I don't have much clout being only an occasional user due to restricted time allocations but I just wanted you to get ALL the opinions, even the ones that don't completely agree and not because they are just trying to "stir the pot" which I of course am not. Yukon appeared to be well on his way to making an ass of himself and I would have liked to have been here that evening so I could have helped it along a bit. The number of posts though should play no role in the decision. I read alot of the posts, almost all during the period I am on however I don't post that much as you well know. I do seem to have a very high % of posts vs. points however I must admit I don't even know how all that works, and frankly I don't much care. I just write what I write.
We have rules everywhere in life and I certainly realize that. The board needs lefties though man. Even if they are off to bad start by saying things considered "banable" they may learn from the more mature members and become productive members. There must have been something to them or they wouldn't have came to begin with. I know you will say that a simple thread ban dosen't prevent them from posting, and I agree that this should be the most stringent "punishment" we disperse but I still think the mod's appear capable of handling this sort of thing and would like to have seen this happen in this case.
Maybe I'm off on this one but if so, oh well. I mean I remember a thread I got in on a few months ago when I thought things were getting a little tacky and frankly it was the moderator I thought was being so. We all get passionate about our opinions from time to time and certainly there is no place for one that has no aspirations to make a clear debateable argument because noone wants to talk to those kinds of people. We are motivated to come here out of a clear desire to debate the issues of the day and learn more from those who post and debate, at least I am. I mean take for instance CNN, CBS, ABC and even FOX. They publish one sided stories all the time manufactured to their respective bases and have the incentive of advertising to those in their market for payments from the business sector. We simply are interested Americans who care about the issues that affect our lives and want to debate them, sometimes only to gain confidence in our own opinions by taking out our frustrations on other members. We should get used to the fact that undersireables will come here with the sole intent to cause shit and kaos. We should welcome them ALL! Everyone of them, then slam them with facts, researched details and opinions. When they are out of line we should ignore them and the lesson will be learned quicker than a ban which will simply give them further motivation to cause shit on another thread because it worked on the previous one. Bonnie seems to be very well versed in this practice as I notice she will sometimes just disappear when some of the users start to get tacky, and she seems to hardly ever respond to that activity. This sends a clear message in my opinion as I have noticed it and I am sure other members have as well. The more agressive mod's such as Jeff will stand and fight which is OK too, that's what it is about. CHOICE MAN.
I agree that this board is the most interactive product of tolerance I have seen. Others ban for just about anything. We should not ban at all ! NONE! I mean hell, look at Psycho, lord knows I would NOT WANT to live next door to the guy but he IS entertaining and stimulates the best debates out there, as do alot of the lefties they are what we are here for aren't they. I've seen folks so riled up with him (Gunny) for instance but they just handle him and the debate continues.
I'm babbling so I will close. Good job everyone. The board is an overwhelming success. All the mod's should be proud of it and the members as well. There have been thousands and thousands of wonderful debates that have taken place here and it would never have happened quite like this, anywhere else! As to those of you who look solely to stir the shitpot, do it with tact, stir it well and lets debate, but be respectaable to others and cut the namecalling and childish behavior out of the equation so as to allow the elasticity of the debate to go to the broadest ends of the spectrum and still be respectable because it is when we are at the "danger zone" ends of the debate that REAL progress will be made toward stimulating conversation. I mean, why do we come here?
