This is why we have gun crime, gun thief gets 5,000 dollar bond.

[2aguy]

This is why we have gun crime in this country...the f*****g courts do not take gun criminals seriously......

Gun Thief Lifts a Handgun in Plain Sight of Three Unlikely Bystanders

A brazen gun thief was also in the Phoenix, AZ gun store and picked up a handgun, then formulated his escape plan. Femio Deluna Jr., 23, tucked the gun tight in between his upper arm and armpit and calmly walked out of the store.

Surveillance video from the store shows Deluna nonchalantly perusing the store with the gun hidden under his arm right in front of the two police officers and armed store owner.
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On Tuesday, detectives arrested Deluna in connection with several crimes including the August 5th gun theft at the Ammo AZ gun store.

According to court records, police found a large amount of heroin, methamphetamine and an illegally modified and fully loaded AR-15 rifle in Deluna’s car at the time of his arrest.

Despite the seriousness of his crime and the drugs and weapons in his possession, Deluna is in jail on a measly $5,000 bond.

Criminal justice reform, anyone?

As a gun criminal, he should have not been given the chance at bond, and when he is convicted he should be sent to prison for 30 years..............how much time do you think he is going to get?

 

[Al Azar]

Depends on the value of the gun.

 

[JoeB131]

This is why we have gun crime in this country...the f*****g courts do not take gun criminals seriously......

Why should they? You guys can't go around saying guns are no big deal and every American has a God Given Right as assigned by the Founding Slave Rapists to Compensate for Tiny Dicks, and then complain when bad guys have guns.

As a gun criminal, he should have not been given the chance at bond, and when he is convicted he should be sent to prison for 30 years..............how much time do you think he is going to get?

Meh, probably not that much, our jails are already overcrowded. Since he didn't actually HURT anyone, I'm not sure jail time is actually warrented.

 

[2aguy]

This is why we have gun crime in this country...the f*****g courts do not take gun criminals seriously......

Why should they? You guys can't go around saying guns are no big deal and every American has a God Given Right as assigned by the Founding Slave Rapists to Compensate for Tiny Dicks, and then complain when bad guys have guns.

As a gun criminal, he should have not been given the chance at bond, and when he is convicted he should be sent to prison for 30 years..............how much time do you think he is going to get?

Meh, probably not that much, our jails are already overcrowded. Since he didn't actually HURT anyone, I'm not sure jail time is actually warrented.

Wow.....you are still a dumb fuck.

Those who actually support freedom and the 2nd Amendment which protects that freedom believe that those who commit crimes with guns need to be punished....you, and your idiots on the anti gun side believe normal, law abiding people who don't use their guns to commit crimes need to be punished.....

He is a criminal caught with a gun....if you actually want to stop criminals killing and injuring people with guns, you lock them up when you catch them...for a long time...that is the only rational way to stop gun crime......anything else is dumb and again, only punishes law abiding people who don't use their guns for crime.

 

[JoeB131]

Wow.....you are still a dumb fuck.

Those who actually support freedom and the 2nd Amendment which protects that freedom believe that those who commit crimes with guns need to be punished....you, and your idiots on the anti gun side believe normal, law abiding people who don't use their guns to commit crimes need to be punished.....

Guy, the problem is--- everyone who goes into a theater or a night club and starts shooting shit up is a "law-abiding" person who passed a background check. Holmes, Mateen, Roof, Loughner, Hasan - all were able to legally buy guns.

So, yeah, you guys are the problem.

He is a criminal caught with a gun....if you actually want to stop criminals killing and injuring people with guns, you lock them up when you catch them...for a long time...that is the only rational way to stop gun crime......anything else is dumb and again, only punishes law abiding people who don't use their guns for crime.

Except you guys think gun ownership is a GOD GIVEN RIGHT. Are you for locking up criminals for saying things you don't like? Or Demanding they get a day in court? Well, obviously not, since you don't call yourself 1AGuy or 6AGuy.

so you are all for a 2nd Amendment, unless it's people you don't like.

I agree. I think we should also restrict people I don't like from getting guns. But that would include assholes who think we needs us some guns to shoot the darkies and fight the gummit.

 

[2aguy]

Wow.....you are still a dumb fuck.

Those who actually support freedom and the 2nd Amendment which protects that freedom believe that those who commit crimes with guns need to be punished....you, and your idiots on the anti gun side believe normal, law abiding people who don't use their guns to commit crimes need to be punished.....

Guy, the problem is--- everyone who goes into a theater or a night club and starts shooting shit up is a "law-abiding" person who passed a background check. Holmes, Mateen, Roof, Loughner, Hasan - all were able to legally buy guns.

So, yeah, you guys are the problem.

He is a criminal caught with a gun....if you actually want to stop criminals killing and injuring people with guns, you lock them up when you catch them...for a long time...that is the only rational way to stop gun crime......anything else is dumb and again, only punishes law abiding people who don't use their guns for crime.

Except you guys think gun ownership is a GOD GIVEN RIGHT. Are you for locking up criminals for saying things you don't like? Or Demanding they get a day in court? Well, obviously not, since you don't call yourself 1AGuy or 6AGuy.

so you are all for a 2nd Amendment, unless it's people you don't like.

I agree. I think we should also restrict people I don't like from getting guns. But that would include assholes who think we needs us some guns to shoot the darkies and fight the gummit.

357,000,000 guns in private hands....over 90 million homes with guns and you can name 5 guys...and not one of your proposals for gun laws would have stopped them...considering the Orlando shooter went through 3 different background checks, 10 months of FBI investigations, an undercover sting operation and 3 interviews with trained FBI interrogators........so don't even start with "us guys".......law abiding gun owners don't shoot people...

90 million v 5 that is all you have moron.

Except you guys think gun ownership is a GOD GIVEN RIGHT. Are you for locking up criminals for saying things you don't like? Or Demanding they get a day in court? Well, obviously not, since you don't call yourself 1AGuy or 6AGuy.

Are you this stupid...really? We aren't talking about a law abiding citizen buying a gun....this guy is a criminal, caught with both illegal guns, illegal guns and stealing a gun....so no .....this guy gave up his right and it will be taken from him Constitutionally through "Due Process of Law" and once that is done he needs to go to jail for 30 years ......for the crime of stealing a gun and having an illegal gun at his home...as a criminal....

So your attempt to make this guy just a John Q. Citizen who just decided to be a criminal because of the gun is horse shit....but it is all you have.....

so you are all for a 2nd Amendment, unless it's people you don't like.

Really.....you are a moron...a really big moron.......people I don't like? You mean a career criminal who has illegal guns in order to protect his illegal activity, the gateway activity to illegal killing.........you mean someone like that.......you are really desperate here.......

 

[JoeB131]

357,000,000 guns in private hands....over 90 million homes with guns and you can name 5 guys...and not one of your proposals for gun laws would have stopped them...considering the Orlando shooter went through 3 different background checks, 10 months of FBI investigations, an undercover sting operation and 3 interviews with trained FBI interrogators........so don't even start with "us guys".......law abiding gun owners don't shoot people...

and all of those s hould have been enough to stop him from getting a gun, if the National Rampage Association hadn't INSISTED that being on the No Fly List or other terrorist watch list should not be a impediment to your second amendment right to compensate for a tiny dick.

Are you this stupid...really? We aren't talking about a law abiding citizen buying a gun....this guy is a criminal, caught with both illegal guns, illegal guns and stealing a gun....so no .....this guy gave up his right and it will be taken from him Constitutionally through "Due Process of Law" and once that is done he needs to go to jail for 30 years ......for the crime of stealing a gun and having an illegal gun at his home...as a criminal....

Okay. So he was arrested. He was forced to pay a bail. And they will probably plead him out to a minor charge because we already have 2 million people in prison and we are putting them six to a cell.

But here's the thing. When he is convicted, he will not lose his First amendment right to pray to the sky pixie of his choice, and he won't lose his sixth amendment right to a trial. But you think he SHOULD lose his second amendment right. so you don't believe it's an absolute right.

Guess what, neither do I.

I just think we should restrict it a lot more.

 

[2aguy]

357,000,000 guns in private hands....over 90 million homes with guns and you can name 5 guys...and not one of your proposals for gun laws would have stopped them...considering the Orlando shooter went through 3 different background checks, 10 months of FBI investigations, an undercover sting operation and 3 interviews with trained FBI interrogators........so don't even start with "us guys".......law abiding gun owners don't shoot people...

and all of those s hould have been enough to stop him from getting a gun, if the National Rampage Association hadn't INSISTED that being on the No Fly List or other terrorist watch list should not be a impediment to your second amendment right to compensate for a tiny dick.

Are you this stupid...really? We aren't talking about a law abiding citizen buying a gun....this guy is a criminal, caught with both illegal guns, illegal guns and stealing a gun....so no .....this guy gave up his right and it will be taken from him Constitutionally through "Due Process of Law" and once that is done he needs to go to jail for 30 years ......for the crime of stealing a gun and having an illegal gun at his home...as a criminal....

Okay. So he was arrested. He was forced to pay a bail. And they will probably plead him out to a minor charge because we already have 2 million people in prison and we are putting them six to a cell.

But here's the thing. When he is convicted, he will not lose his First amendment right to pray to the sky pixie of his choice, and he won't lose his sixth amendment right to a trial. But you think he SHOULD lose his second amendment right. so you don't believe it's an absolute right.

Guess what, neither do I.

I just think we should restrict it a lot more.

Moron....none of the mass shooters would have been on the No Fly list........are you that stupid....the orlando shooter would not have been on the No Fly list, the San Bernadino shooter couple would not have been on the list, the Fort Hood shooter would not have been on the list.....you really are dumb aren't you..........

We already have a list of people who can't buy, own or carry guns...it is called being a convicted felon.......and guess what genius....90% of the gun killers in this country are on that list.......and they still got illegal guns and murdered people........


And of course you want to punish gun stores, which you have said in the past, but let this actual gun criminal go free......that is why we don't trust morons like you......you are irrational....

When an actual criminal breaks the law with a gun.....30 years...that is how you stop gun crime...that is how it works in Japan...and even their Yakuza now don't want to use guns.....30 year sentences for gun crime stops gun crime...the dumb laws you push only effect law abiding gun owners, the ones not shooting people.....

 

[JoeB131]

Moron....none of the mass shooters would have been on the No Fly list........are you that stupid....the orlando shooter would not have been on the No Fly list, the San Bernadino shooter couple would not have been on the list, the Fort Hood shooter would not have been on the list.....you really are dumb aren't you..........

How do you know that? No one knows who is on the list.

They all clearly SHOULD have been.

We already have a list of people who can't buy, own or carry guns...it is called being a convicted felon.......and guess what genius....90% of the gun killers in this country are on that list.......and they still got illegal guns and murdered people........

Most murders are domestic violence. Sorry bud.

When an actual criminal breaks the law with a gun.....30 years...that is how you stop gun crime...that is how it works in Japan...and even their Yakuza now don't want to use guns.....30 year sentences for gun crime stops gun crime...the dumb laws you push only effect law abiding gun owners, the ones not shooting people.....

Are you really advocating doing what Japan does.

In Japan, very few people go to prison and no one is allowed to own a gun.

 

[Conservative65]

This is why we have gun crime in this country...the f*****g courts do not take gun criminals seriously......

Why should they? You guys can't go around saying guns are no big deal and every American has a God Given Right as assigned by the Founding Slave Rapists to Compensate for Tiny Dicks, and then complain when bad guys have guns.

As a gun criminal, he should have not been given the chance at bond, and when he is convicted he should be sent to prison for 30 years..............how much time do you think he is going to get?

Meh, probably not that much, our jails are already overcrowded. Since he didn't actually HURT anyone, I'm not sure jail time is actually warrented.

Who is saying it's OK for people to commit crimes with guns? Having them and misusing them are two different things.

You make a lot of references about the size of male private parts. Sounds like you're projecting something about yours and what it lacks.

Who gives a shit if jails are overcrowded. I have no problem if 4 are in a cell designed for 2. Don't commit crimes and it's a non issue.

I've owned guns for years and never HURT anyone yet you want guns taken from me. So much for what you say, moron.

 

[2aguy]

Moron....none of the mass shooters would have been on the No Fly list........are you that stupid....the orlando shooter would not have been on the No Fly list, the San Bernadino shooter couple would not have been on the list, the Fort Hood shooter would not have been on the list.....you really are dumb aren't you..........

How do you know that? No one knows who is on the list.

They all clearly SHOULD have been.

We already have a list of people who can't buy, own or carry guns...it is called being a convicted felon.......and guess what genius....90% of the gun killers in this country are on that list.......and they still got illegal guns and murdered people........

Most murders are domestic violence. Sorry bud.

When an actual criminal breaks the law with a gun.....30 years...that is how you stop gun crime...that is how it works in Japan...and even their Yakuza now don't want to use guns.....30 year sentences for gun crime stops gun crime...the dumb laws you push only effect law abiding gun owners, the ones not shooting people.....

Are you really advocating doing what Japan does.

In Japan, very few people go to prison and no one is allowed to own a gun.

No......most murders are not domestic violence....and of the domestic violence killings almost all of them are by people with long histories of violence and criminal records........that coupled with drug and alcohol addiction....they are not normal people...no matter how much you want that to be the case.

No....In Japan the Yakuza get guns when they want or need them...they use them to kill each other on the rare occasions they put killing each other over making money...the last Yakuza war was in 2006 and lasted 7 years...they had another one coming up in 2015...and how have they stopped it.....they changed their gun law......anyone caught with an illegal gun goes to prison for 30 years....and press interviews with the Yakuza bosses showed that the bosses and their minions will not use guns as often anymore because of that long prison sentence....I have linked to that article...you have seen it....

So no...criminals were easily able to get guns in Japan when they wanted them, and only stopped because of long prison sentences....

 

[2aguy]

Moron....none of the mass shooters would have been on the No Fly list........are you that stupid....the orlando shooter would not have been on the No Fly list, the San Bernadino shooter couple would not have been on the list, the Fort Hood shooter would not have been on the list.....you really are dumb aren't you..........

How do you know that? No one knows who is on the list.

They all clearly SHOULD have been.

We already have a list of people who can't buy, own or carry guns...it is called being a convicted felon.......and guess what genius....90% of the gun killers in this country are on that list.......and they still got illegal guns and murdered people........

Most murders are domestic violence. Sorry bud.

When an actual criminal breaks the law with a gun.....30 years...that is how you stop gun crime...that is how it works in Japan...and even their Yakuza now don't want to use guns.....30 year sentences for gun crime stops gun crime...the dumb laws you push only effect law abiding gun owners, the ones not shooting people.....

Are you really advocating doing what Japan does.

In Japan, very few people go to prison and no one is allowed to own a gun.

Most murders are domestic violence. Sorry bud.


Wrong...

JURIST - The Criminology of Firearms


In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."

Throughout this essay I highlight dramatic recantations by criminologists who previously endorsed stringent gun control. For example, Professor David Mustard has stated in an article [PDF] for the University of Pennsylvania Law Review:

When I started my research on guns [at the University of Chicago] in 1995, I passionately disliked firearms and fully accepted the conventional wisdom that increasing the gun-ownership rate would necessarily raise violent crime and accidental deaths. My views on this subject were formed primarily by media accounts of firearms, which unknowingly to me systematically emphasized the costs of firearms while virtually ignoring their benefits. I thought it obvious that passing laws that permitted law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons would create many problems. It is now over six years since I became convinced otherwise and concluded that shall issue laws — laws that require [gun carry permits] to be granted unless the applicant has a criminal record or a history of significant mental illness — reduce violent crime and have no impact on accidental deaths.Actual research results — as opposed to unsupported opinions — pose a question embarrassed gun prohibitionists invariably try to evade: why ban guns to ordinary owners, i.e., people who never commit gun crimes? (This query does not at all impugn our laws against previously convicted felons having guns).



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Zimring has nevertheless remained a firm advocate of gun bans. But actual research has produced an unbroken record of recantations by criminologists who once agreed with Zimring. In the late 1970's the US Department of Justice (DOJ) funded and tasked the University of Massachusetts' Social and Demographic Research Institute to review and evaluate the entire extant literature on gun control in the US and elsewhere. The Institute's resulting report observed: "It is commonly hypothesized that much criminal violence, especially homicide, occurs simply because the means of lethal violence (firearms) are readily at hand, and, thus, that much homicide would not occur were firearms generally less available. There is no persuasive evidence that supports this view." (emphasis added)


That evaluation's authors — Professors James Wright, Peter Rossi and Kathleen Daly — subsequently published a commercial version of their report to which they added their personal recantation:

The progressive's indictment of American firearms policy is well known and is one that both the senior authors of this study once shared. This indictment includes the following particulars: (1) Guns are involved in an astonishing number of crimes in this country. (2) In other countries with stricter firearms laws and fewer guns in private hands, gun crime is rare ... (4) Many families acquire a gun because they feel the need to protect themselves; eventually, they end up shooting one another. (5) If there were fewer guns around, there would obviously be less crime ... The more deeply we explored the empirical implications of this indictment, the less plausible it has become. (emphasis, parentheses added)

 

[JoeB131]

No......most murders are not domestic violence....

yes,they are.

he last Yakuza war was in 2006 and lasted 7 years...they had another one coming up in 2015...and how have they stopped it.....they changed their gun law......

yes. EXACTLY, Dick Tiny. They made guns harder to get. As opposed to what you gun nuts want, which is to make guns easier to get.

 

[2aguy]

No......most murders are not domestic violence....

yes,they are.

he last Yakuza war was in 2006 and lasted 7 years...they had another one coming up in 2015...and how have they stopped it.....they changed their gun law......

yes. EXACTLY, Dick Tiny. They made guns harder to get. As opposed to what you gun nuts want, which is to make guns easier to get.

No twit...they put a 30 year sentence on using or carrying an illegal gun...the Yakuza were using them when they wanted to murder people......their laws didn't stop it...facing 30 years in a Japanese prison for carrying an illegal gun stopped it....

 

[JoeB131]

No twit...they put a 30 year sentence on using or carrying an illegal gun...the Yakuza were using them when they wanted to murder people......their laws didn't stop it...facing 30 years in a Japanese prison for carrying an illegal gun stopped it....

Again, the Japanese have no legal guns and they only lock up 69,000 people out of a population of 110 million.

We let every asshole who wants a gun have one, and we lock up 2 million people.

Guess which city you can walk the streets of at night safely, Tokyo or New York?

See, he feels totally safe.

 

[2aguy]

No twit...they put a 30 year sentence on using or carrying an illegal gun...the Yakuza were using them when they wanted to murder people......their laws didn't stop it...facing 30 years in a Japanese prison for carrying an illegal gun stopped it....

Again, the Japanese have no legal guns and they only lock up 69,000 people out of a population of 110 million.

We let every asshole who wants a gun have one, and we lock up 2 million people.

Guess which city you can walk the streets of at night safely, Tokyo or New York?

See, he feels totally safe.

Wrong...Japanese culture does not tolerate criminal behavior...all of their crime rates are amazingly low......and the Yakuza get guns whenever they want them...grenades too....I have posted the links to this information before too......the only way they stopped the next Yakuza war was to have 30 year jail sentences...now the Yakima won't touch guns......the bosses too.......

Japanese culture is conformist and obedient to the government...their police can search you any time they want for whatever reason they want......their conviction rate for crime is 95%......if you are accused of a crime you are going to be convicted....


That is how they stop gun crime....

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong...Japanese culture does not tolerate criminal behavior...all of their crime rates are amazingly low......

Yes, clearly if the Japanese had a shitload of guns, they still wouldn't shoot each other.

Gun Nuts... living in terror of Occam's Razor.

 

[August West]

This is why we have gun crime in this country...the f*****g courts do not take gun criminals seriously......

Why should they? You guys can't go around saying guns are no big deal and every American has a God Given Right as assigned by the Founding Slave Rapists to Compensate for Tiny Dicks, and then complain when bad guys have guns.

As a gun criminal, he should have not been given the chance at bond, and when he is convicted he should be sent to prison for 30 years..............how much time do you think he is going to get?

Meh, probably not that much, our jails are already overcrowded. Since he didn't actually HURT anyone, I'm not sure jail time is actually warrented.

Who is saying it's OK for people to commit crimes with guns? Having them and misusing them are two different things.

You make a lot of references about the size of male private parts. Sounds like you're projecting something about yours and what it lacks.

Who gives a shit if jails are overcrowded. I have no problem if 4 are in a cell designed for 2. Don't commit crimes and it's a non issue.

I've owned guns for years and never HURT anyone yet you want guns taken from me. So much for what you say, moron.

Con65. I didn`t see where anyone wants to take your guns away but if you`re that paranoid perhaps they should be taken away. Paranoia is a symptom of mental disease.

 

[2aguy]

This is why we have gun crime in this country...the f*****g courts do not take gun criminals seriously......

Why should they? You guys can't go around saying guns are no big deal and every American has a God Given Right as assigned by the Founding Slave Rapists to Compensate for Tiny Dicks, and then complain when bad guys have guns.

As a gun criminal, he should have not been given the chance at bond, and when he is convicted he should be sent to prison for 30 years..............how much time do you think he is going to get?

Meh, probably not that much, our jails are already overcrowded. Since he didn't actually HURT anyone, I'm not sure jail time is actually warrented.

Who is saying it's OK for people to commit crimes with guns? Having them and misusing them are two different things.

You make a lot of references about the size of male private parts. Sounds like you're projecting something about yours and what it lacks.

Who gives a shit if jails are overcrowded. I have no problem if 4 are in a cell designed for 2. Don't commit crimes and it's a non issue.

I've owned guns for years and never HURT anyone yet you want guns taken from me. So much for what you say, moron.

Con65. I didn`t see where anyone wants to take your guns away but if you`re that paranoid perhaps they should be taken away. Paranoia is a symptom of mental disease.

obama stated this when he was at University of Chicago, hilary said Heller was decided wrong....leaders of the anti gun movement.

 

[Skull Pilot]

People who do not commit crimes are not responsible for the actions of criminals
Even though the anti gun people would like to believe it