This is what Happens when you give up your guns, America

[Carl in Michigan]

What happens when you give up your guns

Lol
Shut the **** up you spineless piece of shit

Interesting

What happens when you eliminate Paris from Frances murder rate or eliminate London from the UK murder rate?

Violent crime is higher in populated areas

You still refuse to acknowledge reality, dont you.

 

[Dana7360]

2014 European election won by UKIP
2015 General Election won by conservatives promising an EU referendum
2016 EU referendum won by Leave
2017 General election won by the conservatives promising to leave the EU, and Labour second also promising to leave.
2018 European elections won by the Brexit party.

FIVE ELECTIONS all for leaving the EU.

And guess what? The UK Establishment says 'Stuff your votes, we want to keep our favors from the EU government. So you will vote over and over till you get the right outcome; REMAIN!

What does this have to do with America and weapons?

Nothing you posted has anything to do with weapons or giving them up.

Stop with the propaganda lies.

If you're trying to say that people in the EU can't own weapons, that shows how little you know. Only category A weapons, which are military style weapons, can't be owned. A person in the EU can own any non military style weapon their little heart desires. There's over 79 million registered weapons in the EU right now.

Are you saying that the only way a nation abolish a government in the EU is by violence?

If so you really are a special kind of stupid.

 

[Dana7360]

What are you suggesting, those who are pro Brexit start a civil war with those against?

Yes, I definitely am.

It is called a war for independence.

Then you're crazy.

 

[rightwinger]

America, this is what happens when you give up your guns

View attachment 279824

Moron, those homicide rates were low before they gave up their guns.......normal people with guns didn't drive their homicide rates....

Meanwhile..in the U.S.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Murder rates and violent crime have gone down in the last 30 years regardless of gun laws. Has to do with the end of the crack wars.

NYC has the strictest gun laws in the country
They work

NYC has the lowest murder rate among major cities

Enough with your anecdotal bullshit. Just ******* do it already. Come and take the ******* guns, you *****.

What will your reaction be ....*****

 

[rightwinger]

What happens when you give up your guns

Lol
Shut the **** up you spineless piece of shit

Interesting

What happens when you eliminate Paris from Frances murder rate or eliminate London from the UK murder rate?

Violent crime is higher in populated areas

You still refuse to acknowledge reality, dont you.

I am well aware of REALITY

Europe, Canada, Japan, S Korea is much safer than we are

 

[satrebil]

America, this is what happens when you give up your guns

View attachment 279824

Moron, those homicide rates were low before they gave up their guns.......normal people with guns didn't drive their homicide rates....

Meanwhile..in the U.S.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Murder rates and violent crime have gone down in the last 30 years regardless of gun laws. Has to do with the end of the crack wars.

NYC has the strictest gun laws in the country
They work

NYC has the lowest murder rate among major cities

Enough with your anecdotal bullshit. Just ******* do it already. Come and take the ******* guns, you *****.

What will your reaction be ....*****

You'll find out why I own them to begin with.

 

[satrebil]

2014 European election won by UKIP
2015 General Election won by conservatives promising an EU referendum
2016 EU referendum won by Leave
2017 General election won by the conservatives promising to leave the EU, and Labour second also promising to leave.
2018 European elections won by the Brexit party.

FIVE ELECTIONS all for leaving the EU.

And guess what? The UK Establishment says 'Stuff your votes, we want to keep our favors from the EU government. So you will vote over and over till you get the right outcome; REMAIN!

What does this have to do with America and weapons?

Nothing you posted has anything to do with weapons or giving them up.

Stop with the propaganda lies.

If you're trying to say that people in the EU can't own weapons, that shows how little you know. Only category A weapons, which are military style weapons, can't be owned. A person in the EU can own any non military style weapon their little heart desires. There's over 79 million registered weapons in the EU right now.

Are you saying that the only way a nation abolish a government in the EU is by violence?

If so you really are a special kind of stupid.

View attachment 280149

Your screenshot doesn't even make sense. How the hell can there be 79,800,00 total estimated guns in the EU - legal and illegal - yet at the same time there's 80,000,000 registered firearms? Who wrote that nonsense?

 

[2aguy]

What happens when you give up your guns

Lol
Shut the **** up you spineless piece of shit

Interesting

What happens when you eliminate Paris from Frances murder rate or eliminate London from the UK murder rate?

Violent crime is higher in populated areas

You still refuse to acknowledge reality, dont you.

I am well aware of REALITY

Europe, Canada, Japan, S Korea is much safer than we are

Europe is changing.....their welfare states are creating more and more fatherless young males and their rise in violence shows this...besides that, Britain is more violent than the U.S.....Canada...increasing violence as well....Japan is essentially a police state in a society that puts a premium on conformity....their crime rates have always been small.....and yet, their Yakuza up to 2006, settled their feuds with fully automatic weapons and grenades....

And with Britian....with their increasing levels of violence you have the fact that their police can't stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into the country...

So you think you can use them as examples...when, in fact, their countries are becoming more violent, not less....

Meanwhile, as more Americans own guns.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

This shows your hypothesis holds no water....

 

[rightwinger]

America, this is what happens when you give up your guns

View attachment 279824

Moron, those homicide rates were low before they gave up their guns.......normal people with guns didn't drive their homicide rates....

Meanwhile..in the U.S.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Murder rates and violent crime have gone down in the last 30 years regardless of gun laws. Has to do with the end of the crack wars.

NYC has the strictest gun laws in the country
They work

NYC has the lowest murder rate among major cities

Enough with your anecdotal bullshit. Just ******* do it already. Come and take the ******* guns, you *****.

What will your reaction be ....*****

You'll find out why I own them to begin with.

If you weren’t a *****....you wouldn’t need a gun

 

[rightwinger]

What happens when you give up your guns

Lol
Shut the **** up you spineless piece of shit

Interesting

What happens when you eliminate Paris from Frances murder rate or eliminate London from the UK murder rate?

Violent crime is higher in populated areas

You still refuse to acknowledge reality, dont you.

I am well aware of REALITY

Europe, Canada, Japan, S Korea is much safer than we are

Europe is changing.....their welfare states are creating more and more fatherless young males and their rise in violence shows this...besides that, Britain is more violent than the U.S.....Canada...increasing violence as well....Japan is essentially a police state in a society that puts a premium on conformity....their crime rates have always been small.....and yet, their Yakuza up to 2006, settled their feuds with fully automatic weapons and grenades....

And with Britian....with their increasing levels of violence you have the fact that their police can't stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into the country...

So you think you can use them as examples...when, in fact, their countries are becoming more violent, not less....

Meanwhile, as more Americans own guns.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

This shows your hypothesis holds no water....

You guys keep telling that fib

Gun Homicide is not down because of more gun ownership, it is down because of the end of the Crack Wars in the 90s

 

[2aguy]

Lol
Shut the **** up you spineless piece of shit

Interesting

What happens when you eliminate Paris from Frances murder rate or eliminate London from the UK murder rate?

Violent crime is higher in populated areas

You still refuse to acknowledge reality, dont you.

I am well aware of REALITY

Europe, Canada, Japan, S Korea is much safer than we are

Europe is changing.....their welfare states are creating more and more fatherless young males and their rise in violence shows this...besides that, Britain is more violent than the U.S.....Canada...increasing violence as well....Japan is essentially a police state in a society that puts a premium on conformity....their crime rates have always been small.....and yet, their Yakuza up to 2006, settled their feuds with fully automatic weapons and grenades....

And with Britian....with their increasing levels of violence you have the fact that their police can't stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into the country...

So you think you can use them as examples...when, in fact, their countries are becoming more violent, not less....

Meanwhile, as more Americans own guns.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

This shows your hypothesis holds no water....

You guys keep telling that fib

Gun Homicide is not down because of more gun ownership, it is down because of the end of the Crack Wars in the 90s

I never say that with that PEW research....I point out it shows your hypothesis....that More Guns = More Gun Crime regardless of any other factor.....and shows it is completely wrong.

I will then also make the point that actual research, other research, shows more guns = less crime...

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Bartley-Cohen-Economic-Inquiry-1998.pdf


The Effect of Concealed Weapons Laws: An Extreme Bound Analysis by William Alan Bartley and Mark A Cohen, published in Economic Inquiry, April 1998 (Copy available here)

.....we find strong support for the hypothesis that the right-to-carry laws are associated with a decrease in the trend in violent crime rates.....

Paper........CCW does not increase police deaths...

http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Mustard-JLE-Polic-Deaths-Gun-Control.pdf

This paper uses state-level data from 1984–96 to examine how right-to-carry laws and waiting periods affect the felonious deaths of police. Some people oppose concealed weapons carry laws because they believe these laws jeopardize law enforcement officials, who risk their lives to protect the citizenry. This paper strongly rejects this contention. States that allowed law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons had a slightly higher likelihood of having a felonious police death and slightly higher police death rates prior to the law. After enactment of the right-to-carry laws, states exhibit a reduced likelihood of having a felonious police death rate and slightly lower rates of police deaths. States that implement waiting periods have slightly lower felonious police death rates both before and after the law. Allowing law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons does not endanger the lives of officers and may help reduce their risk of being killed

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http://johnrlott.tripod.com/tideman.pdf


Does the Right to Carry Concealed Handguns Deter Countable Crimes? Only a Count Analysis Can Say By FLORENZ PLASSMANN AND T. NICOLAUS TIDEMAN, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

However, for all three crime categories the levels in years 2 and 3 after adoption of a right-to-carry law are significantly below the levels in the years before the adoption of the law, which suggests that there is generally a deterrent effect and that it takes about 1 year for this effect to emerge.

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http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/323313

Testing for the Effects of Concealed Weapons Laws: Specification Errors and Robustness*




Carlisle E. Moody
College of William and Mary
Overall, right‐to‐carry concealed weapons laws tend to reduce violent crime. The effect on property crime is more uncertain. I find evidence that these laws also reduce burglary.
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http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Helland-Tabarrok-Placebo-Laws.pdf
Using Placebo Laws to Test “More Guns, Less Crime”∗ Eric Helland and Alexander Tabarrok

We also find, however, that the cross equation restrictions implied by the Lott-Mustard theory are supported.
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Surprisingly, therefore, we conclude that there is considerable support for the hypothesis that shall-issue laws cause criminals to substitute away from crimes against persons and towards crimes against property.
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http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Maltz.pdf

Right-to-Carry Concealed Weapon Laws and Homicide in Large U.S. Counties: The Effect on Weapon Types, Victim Characteristics, and Victim-Offender Relationships By DAVID E. OLSON AND MICHAEL D. MALTZ, Journal of Law and Economics, October 2001

Our results indicated that the direction of effect of the shall-issue law on total SHR homicide rates was similar to that obtained by Lott and Mustard, although the magnitude of the effect was somewhat smaller and was statistically significant at the 7 percent level. In our analysis, which included only counties with a 1977 population of 100,000 or more, laws allowing for concealed weapons were associated with a 6.52 percent reduction in total homicides (Table 2). By comparison, Lott and Mustard found the concealed weapon dummy variable to be associated with a 7.65 percent reduction in total homicides across all counties and a 9 percent reduction in homicides when only large counties (populations of 100,000 or more) were included.43

===============

This one shows the benefits, in the billions of CCW laws...

http://johnrlott.tripod.com/Plassmann_Whitley.pdf

COMMENTS Confirming ìMore Guns, Less Crimeî Florenz Plassmann* & John Whitley**

CONCLUSION Analyzing county-level data for the entire United States from 1977 to 2000, we find annual reductions in murder rates between 1.5% and 2.3% for each additional year that a right-to-carry law is in effect. For the first five years that such a law is in effect, the total benefit from reduced crimes usually ranges between about $2 and $3 billion per year. The results are very similar to earlier estimates using county-level data from 1977 to 1996. We appreciate the continuing effort that Ayres and Donohue have made in discussing the impact of right-to-carry laws on crime rates. Yet we believe that both the new evidence provided by them as well as our new results show consistently that right-to-carry laws reduce crime and save lives. Unfortunately, a few simple mistakes lead Ayres and Donohue to incorrectly claim that crime rates significantly increase after right-to-carry laws are initially adopted and to misinterpret the significance of their own estimates that examined the year-to-year impact of the law.

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http://crimeresearch.org/wp-content...An-Exercise-in-Replication.proof_.revised.pdf

~ The Impact of Right-to-Carry Laws on Crime: An Exercise in Replication1

Carlisle E. Moody College of William and Mary - Department of Economics, Virginia 23187, U.S.A. E-mail: cemood@wm.edu Thomas B. Marvell Justec Research, Virginia 23185, U.S.A. Paul R. Zimmerman U.S. Federal Trade Commission - Bureau of Economics, Washington, D.C., U.S.A. Fasil Alemante College of William and Mary, Virginia 23187, U.S.A.


Abstract: In an article published in 2011, Aneja, Donohue and Zhang found that shall-issue or right-to-carry (RTC) concealed weapons laws have no effect on any crime except for a positive effect on assault. This paper reports a replication of their basic findings and some corresponding robustness checks, which reveal a serious omitted variable problem. Once corrected for omitted variables, the most robust result, confirmed using both county and state data, is that RTC laws significantly reduce murder. There is no robust, consistent evidence that RTC laws have any significant effect on other violent crimes, including assault. There is some weak evidence that RTC laws increase robbery and assault while decreasing rape. Given that the victim costs of murder and rape are much higher than the costs of robbery and assault, the evidence shows that RTC laws are socially beneficial.

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States with lower guns = higher murder....and assault weapon ban pointless..

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294

An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates
Mark Gius

Abstract
The purpose of the present study is to determine the effects of state-level assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on state-level murder rates. Using data for the period 1980 to 2009 and controlling for state and year fixed effects, the results of the present study suggest that states with restrictions on the carrying of concealed weapons had higher gun-related murder rates than other states. It was also found that assault weapons bans did not significantly affect murder rates at the state level. These results suggest that restrictive concealed weapons laws may cause an increase in gun-related murders at the state level. The results of this study are consistent with some prior research in this area, most notably Lott and Mustard (1997).

 

[2aguy]

Lol
Shut the **** up you spineless piece of shit

Interesting

What happens when you eliminate Paris from Frances murder rate or eliminate London from the UK murder rate?

Violent crime is higher in populated areas

You still refuse to acknowledge reality, dont you.

I am well aware of REALITY

Europe, Canada, Japan, S Korea is much safer than we are

Europe is changing.....their welfare states are creating more and more fatherless young males and their rise in violence shows this...besides that, Britain is more violent than the U.S.....Canada...increasing violence as well....Japan is essentially a police state in a society that puts a premium on conformity....their crime rates have always been small.....and yet, their Yakuza up to 2006, settled their feuds with fully automatic weapons and grenades....

And with Britian....with their increasing levels of violence you have the fact that their police can't stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into the country...

So you think you can use them as examples...when, in fact, their countries are becoming more violent, not less....

Meanwhile, as more Americans own guns.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

This shows your hypothesis holds no water....

You guys keep telling that fib

Gun Homicide is not down because of more gun ownership, it is down because of the end of the Crack Wars in the 90s

The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

 

[Rustic]

Interesting

What happens when you eliminate Paris from Frances murder rate or eliminate London from the UK murder rate?

Violent crime is higher in populated areas

You still refuse to acknowledge reality, dont you.

I am well aware of REALITY

Europe, Canada, Japan, S Korea is much safer than we are

Europe is changing.....their welfare states are creating more and more fatherless young males and their rise in violence shows this...besides that, Britain is more violent than the U.S.....Canada...increasing violence as well....Japan is essentially a police state in a society that puts a premium on conformity....their crime rates have always been small.....and yet, their Yakuza up to 2006, settled their feuds with fully automatic weapons and grenades....

And with Britian....with their increasing levels of violence you have the fact that their police can't stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into the country...

So you think you can use them as examples...when, in fact, their countries are becoming more violent, not less....

Meanwhile, as more Americans own guns.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

This shows your hypothesis holds no water....

You guys keep telling that fib

Gun Homicide is not down because of more gun ownership, it is down because of the end of the Crack Wars in the 90s

The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Yep,
Buy more guns and ammo...

It’s the best thing we can do for this republic

 

[August West]

You still refuse to acknowledge reality, dont you.

I am well aware of REALITY

Europe, Canada, Japan, S Korea is much safer than we are

Europe is changing.....their welfare states are creating more and more fatherless young males and their rise in violence shows this...besides that, Britain is more violent than the U.S.....Canada...increasing violence as well....Japan is essentially a police state in a society that puts a premium on conformity....their crime rates have always been small.....and yet, their Yakuza up to 2006, settled their feuds with fully automatic weapons and grenades....

And with Britian....with their increasing levels of violence you have the fact that their police can't stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into the country...

So you think you can use them as examples...when, in fact, their countries are becoming more violent, not less....

Meanwhile, as more Americans own guns.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

This shows your hypothesis holds no water....

You guys keep telling that fib

Gun Homicide is not down because of more gun ownership, it is down because of the end of the Crack Wars in the 90s

The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Yep,
Buy more guns and ammo...

It’s the best thing we can do for this republic

No. The best thing you can do for this republic is leave it.

 

[Rustic]

I am well aware of REALITY

Europe, Canada, Japan, S Korea is much safer than we are

Europe is changing.....their welfare states are creating more and more fatherless young males and their rise in violence shows this...besides that, Britain is more violent than the U.S.....Canada...increasing violence as well....Japan is essentially a police state in a society that puts a premium on conformity....their crime rates have always been small.....and yet, their Yakuza up to 2006, settled their feuds with fully automatic weapons and grenades....

And with Britian....with their increasing levels of violence you have the fact that their police can't stop the increasing flow of illegal guns into the country...

So you think you can use them as examples...when, in fact, their countries are becoming more violent, not less....

Meanwhile, as more Americans own guns.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

This shows your hypothesis holds no water....

You guys keep telling that fib

Gun Homicide is not down because of more gun ownership, it is down because of the end of the Crack Wars in the 90s

The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

Yep,
Buy more guns and ammo...

It’s the best thing we can do for this republic

No. The best thing you can do for this republic is leave it.

 

[satrebil]

Moron, those homicide rates were low before they gave up their guns.......normal people with guns didn't drive their homicide rates....

Meanwhile..in the U.S.....

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Murder rates and violent crime have gone down in the last 30 years regardless of gun laws. Has to do with the end of the crack wars.

NYC has the strictest gun laws in the country
They work

NYC has the lowest murder rate among major cities

Enough with your anecdotal bullshit. Just ******* do it already. Come and take the ******* guns, you *****.

What will your reaction be ....*****

You'll find out why I own them to begin with.

If you weren’t a *****....you wouldn’t need a gun

Spare me your faux virtue signaling. All you gun grabbing idiots talk a big game online but when it comes down to brass tacks you don't have the balls. So there you will sit behind your computer screens while whining on the internet - dejected, pathetic, wishing you were men.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Yes, I definitely am.
It is called a war for independence.

Then you're crazy.

Why is it never crazy when third world populations do it but always crazy for whites to do it?

You liberals are racist to the very core of your world view.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Are you saying that you carrying a firearm slung across your chest into Bed Bath & Beyond makes me look silly?

No he is saying that if someone carries their rifle to a corner store, it isn't for self defense. For that they would carry a hand gunn, not a rifle. They would carry a rifle if they were going to the range or were expecting some crazy shit like the Koreans in LA a few y ears ago.

So if you don't want to carry a rifle across you chest, don't.

But why start shit with some who does? Do you have jealousy issues as you just don't have the nerve to do such a thing?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Are you saying that the only way a nation abolish a government in the EU is by violence?
If so you really are a special kind of stupid.

When did I say it was the only way?

In the US it is a last resort, but one we can go to if necessary.

They no longer have that option in the UK because they gave up their weapons and now they are the upper classes little bitches for sure.

 

[pismoe]

'Fearful' is carrying a rifle with you when you go for milk at the corner shop.

What would you call fastening your seat belt when driving to the corner shop for your milk?

----------------------------------------- and most often smart people have a spare tire in their trunk and smoke alarms and fire xtinguisher in the house . Its simply common sense to be PREPARED for the unexpected eh CNM ??

2014 European election won by UKIP
2015 General Election won by conservatives promising an EU referendum
2016 EU referendum won by Leave
2017 General election won by the conservatives promising to leave the EU, and Labour second also promising to leave.
2018 European elections won by the Brexit party.

FIVE ELECTIONS all for leaving the EU.

And guess what? The UK Establishment says 'Stuff your votes, we want to keep our favors from the EU government. So you will vote over and over till you get the right outcome; REMAIN!

I thought that we were going to be "enslaved" if we were unarmed. Oh well.

-------------------------------------------------- Who knows about the future AWest .