This is what atheist believe? Atheist believe that nothing created everything

[edthecynic]

So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool.

Energy is NOT nothing, so your babble contradicts itself!

 

[Dusty]

You can play dumb for your entire life but you can not make everything appear from nothing. That is certainly not scientific

No it is biblical.

God was not nothing, and we have a small part of the knowledge that he gave us now

 

[Dusty]

So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool.

Energy is NOT nothing, so your babble contradicts itself!

What caused the energy? Energy always comes from converting mass, so if there was no mass there could not have been energy

 

[ding]

So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool.

Energy is NOT nothing, so your babble contradicts itself!

Tell it to this guy, dummy.

 

[edthecynic]

Not to mention that the universe being created from nothing explains everything we see and violates no laws of nature in doing so.

Of course it does. It violates all the laws of nature.

No. It doesn't.

Yes it does. Positive energy is NOT nothing, it is something. And negative energy is NOT nothing, it is also something. So you admit that your "nothing" consists of equal amounts of 2 somethings. 2 somethings do not equal nothing, they equal 2 somethings.

 

[edthecynic]

So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool.

Energy is NOT nothing, so your babble contradicts itself!

What caused the energy? Energy always comes from converting mass, so if there was no mass there could not have been energy

Energy has no cause, energy IS. PERIOD

 

[ding]

Not to mention that the universe being created from nothing explains everything we see and violates no laws of nature in doing so.

Of course it does. It violates all the laws of nature.

No. It doesn't.

Yes it does. Positive energy is NOT nothing, it is something. And negative energy is NOT nothing, it is also something. So you admit that your "nothing" consists of equal amounts of 2 somethings. 2 somethings do not equal nothing, they equal 2 somethings.

Particles popping in and out of existence, over time, as those quantum fields rearrange themselves in no way equals the scale of matter when the universe was first created.

 

[Dusty]

So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool.

Energy is NOT nothing, so your babble contradicts itself!

What caused the energy? Energy always comes from converting mass, so if there was no mass there could not have been energy

Energy has no cause, energy IS. PERIOD

Totally wrong, energy reverberates back and forth from mass to energy and then back to mass. You seem to have missed chemistry 1

 

[ding]

So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool.

Energy is NOT nothing, so your babble contradicts itself!

What caused the energy? Energy always comes from converting mass, so if there was no mass there could not have been energy

Energy has no cause, energy IS. PERIOD

Energy is finite.

 

[ding]

So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool.

Energy is NOT nothing, so your babble contradicts itself!

What caused the energy? Energy always comes from converting mass, so if there was no mass there could not have been energy

Energy has no cause, energy IS. PERIOD

Totally wrong, energy reverberates back and forth from mass to energy and then back to mass. You seem to have missed chemistry 1

Except when it's converted to radiation as per Einstein's famous e=mc^2 equation.

And when it was created from nothing without violating the law of conservation of energy because the net energy of the universe is zero.

 

[ding]

Is there no one here who understands science?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Energy has no cause, energy IS. PERIOD

The Aether has an overall fixed quantity of potential, unevenly distributed in terms of density and composition (what most call "matter" vs "energy"). Appears the universe is most boring, at least locally, just prior to each restart.

 

[ding]

So a closed universe can spontaneously appear - through the laws of quantum mechanics - out of nothing. And in fact there is an elegant mathematical description which describes this process and shows that a tiny closed universe having very high energy can spontaneously pop into existence and immediately start to expand and cool.

Energy is NOT nothing, so your babble contradicts itself!

What caused the energy? Energy always comes from converting mass, so if there was no mass there could not have been energy

Energy has no cause, energy IS. PERIOD

Totally wrong, energy reverberates back and forth from mass to energy and then back to mass. You seem to have missed chemistry 1

Sure. After the universe was created. And changes form or transfer is a more accurate description than reverberates.

But don't forget that every transfer from energy to matter or matter to energy is not perfect (SLoT). There are no thermodynamic processes that are 100% efficient. Usable energy is lost to the system every time a change in form occurs. The total energy remains the same but the usable energy decreases. Hence the phrase, there is no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[ding]

Energy has no cause, energy IS. PERIOD

The Aether has an overall fixed quantity of potential, unevenly distributed in terms of density and composition (what most call "matter" vs "energy"). Appears the universe is most boring, at least locally, just prior to each restart.

There are no restarts.

 

[edthecynic]

The problem with a cyclical universe is with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. For every matter to energy or energy to matter exchange there is a loss of usable energy. So while the total energy of the universe does not decrease, the usable energy of the universe does decrease. If it is a periodic or cyclical universe then the entropy will increase with each cycle. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a fundamental law of nature which tells us that entropy can only increase or stay the same. Entropy can never decrease. Which means that in a finite amount of time, a finite system will reach a maximum state of disorder which is called thermal equilibrium

Usable energy is actually called KINETIC energy, and kinetic energy is the energy of MOTION. In order for the universe to use up all of its kinetic energy, ALL motion must stop. But that is a violation of the Third Law of Thermodynamics, which says there is no temperature at all motion stops, so therefore thermal equilibrium is impossible.

 

[ding]

Energy has no cause, energy IS. PERIOD

The Aether has an overall fixed quantity of potential, unevenly distributed in terms of density and composition (what most call "matter" vs "energy"). Appears the universe is most boring, at least locally, just prior to each restart.

Just curious... do you have a link to anything you are talking about?

 

[ding]

The problem with a cyclical universe is with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. For every matter to energy or energy to matter exchange there is a loss of usable energy. So while the total energy of the universe does not decrease, the usable energy of the universe does decrease. If it is a periodic or cyclical universe then the entropy will increase with each cycle. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a fundamental law of nature which tells us that entropy can only increase or stay the same. Entropy can never decrease. Which means that in a finite amount of time, a finite system will reach a maximum state of disorder which is called thermal equilibrium

Usable energy is actually called KINETIC energy, and kinetic energy is the energy of MOTION. In order for the universe to use up all of its kinetic energy, ALL motion must stop. But that is a violation of the Third Law of Thermodynamics, which says there is no temperature at all motion stops, so therefore thermal equilibrium is impossible.

There are all kinds of usable energy, dummy. And no, all motion must not stop for thermal equilibrium to occur. All that is required is a uniform temperature. No one expects the temperature of the universe to reach absolute zero.

 

[edthecynic]

But don't forget that every transfer from energy to matter or matter to energy is not perfect (SLoT). There are no thermodynamic processes that are 100% efficient.

You yourself admitted that the SLoT says entropy can increase or STAY THE SAME, so if your last claim were true than entropy could NEVER stay the same. You can't have it both ways, you can't correctly claim entropy can stay the same, and then incorrectly claim that entropy ALWAYS increases.

 

[ding]

Energy has no cause, energy IS. PERIOD

The Aether has an overall fixed quantity of potential, unevenly distributed in terms of density and composition (what most call "matter" vs "energy"). Appears the universe is most boring, at least locally, just prior to each restart.

I will tell you the same thing I told Ed. Particles popping in and out of existence, over time, as those quantum fields rearrange themselves in no way equals the scale of matter when the universe was first created.

 

[Dusty]

The problem with a cyclical universe is with the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. For every matter to energy or energy to matter exchange there is a loss of usable energy. So while the total energy of the universe does not decrease, the usable energy of the universe does decrease. If it is a periodic or cyclical universe then the entropy will increase with each cycle. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is a fundamental law of nature which tells us that entropy can only increase or stay the same. Entropy can never decrease. Which means that in a finite amount of time, a finite system will reach a maximum state of disorder which is called thermal equilibrium

Usable energy is actually called KINETIC energy, and kinetic energy is the energy of MOTION. In order for the universe to use up all of its kinetic energy, ALL motion must stop. But that is a violation of the Third Law of Thermodynamics, which says there is no temperature at all motion stops, so therefore thermal equilibrium is impossible.

The kinetic energy in the universe comes from transformations of mass.

E = mc2, equation in German-born physicist Albert Einstein’s theory of special relativity that expresses the fact that mass and energy are the same physical entity and can be changed into each other. In the equation, the increased relativistic mass (m) of a body times the speed of light squared (c2) is equal to the kinetic energy (E) of that body.


In physical theories prior to that of special relativity, mass and energy were viewed as distinct entities. Furthermore, the energy of a body at rest could be assigned an arbitrary value. In special relativity, however, the energy of a body at rest is determined to be mc2. Thus, each body of rest mass m possesses mc2 of “rest energy,” which potentially is available for conversion to other forms of energy. The mass-energy relation, moreover, implies that, if energy is released from the body as a result of such a conversion, then the rest mass of the body will decrease. Such a conversion of rest energy to other forms of energy occurs in ordinary chemical reactions, but much larger conversions occur in nuclear reactions. This is particularly true in the case of nuclear fusion reactions that transform hydrogen to helium, in which 0.7 percent of the original rest energy of the hydrogen is converted to other forms of energy. Stars like the Sun shine from the energy released from the rest energy of hydrogen atoms that are fused to form helium.