Third circuit tells guns owners they must turn in gun magazines will you comply?

[MindWars]

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban.

Third Circuit Tells Gun Owners They Must Turn In Gun Magazines - Will You Comply?
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This country might have it's losers who hate this country but we also have more ppl with brains than not who know better than to give up those gun rights all anyone has to do is look what is happening to Europe right now. Germany falling if not already fell, Sweden is gone none of these countries allow gun ownership.
Some let you have hunting gun LMFAO little bb's idiots.

 

[Rustic]

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban.

Third Circuit Tells Gun Owners They Must Turn In Gun Magazines - Will You Comply?
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This country might have it losers who hate this country but we also have more ppl with brains than not who know better than to give up those gun rights all anyone has to do is look what is happening to Europe right now. Germany falling if not already fell, Sweden is gone none of these countries allow gun ownership.
Some let you have hunting gun LMFAO little bb's idiots.

What a worthless law, but they can do what they want.... lol

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban.

Third Circuit Tells Gun Owners They Must Turn In Gun Magazines - Will You Comply?
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This country might have it losers who hate this country but we also have more ppl with brains than not who know better than to give up those gun rights all anyone has to do is look what is happening to Europe right now. Germany falling if not already fell, Sweden is gone none of these countries allow gun ownership.
Some let you have hunting gun LMFAO little bb's idiots.

What a worthless law, but they can do what they want.... lol

It is going to take a resident who disobeys that law then takes it to the supreme court that the final decision will be made. Doesn't look good at the moment but I think in the end it will be a better ruling...

 

[fncceo]

Sorry ... mine fell out of my fishing boat.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

A big bright light came and took them all away.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, instead of bitching about the courts, why aren't you bitching about the politicians that passed the law in the first place? They just said that the ban that was passed by the state legislature was valid.

From the OP's link...........................

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban.


The majority, in an opinion by Judge Shwartz and joined by Judge Greenaway, both appointed by President Obama, held that the ban did not violate the Second Amendment because it reasonably advanced the State’s interest in reducing mass shootings without severely burdening the rights of law-abiding citizens.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

You know, instead of bitching about the courts, why aren't you bitching about the politicians that passed the law in the first place? They just said that the ban that was passed by the state legislature was valid.

From the OP's link...........................

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban.


The majority, in an opinion by Judge Shwartz and joined by Judge Greenaway, both appointed by President Obama, held that the ban did not violate the Second Amendment because it reasonably advanced the State’s interest in reducing mass shootings without severely burdening the rights of law-abiding citizens.

Share: Va. Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health Records Released. The missing pieces of the mental health records of Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho were made public today by the university, offering the first glimpse at the medical evaluations Cho underwent prior to committing the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history.
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This guy had a 9mm and .22 pistol and was still able to kill plenty of students in that school. Do you want to know the rule about guns at that school? Virginia is a open and concealed carry state, but VA Tech is a gun free zone....Duncha just love it..Ban magazines dont put mentally ill people away.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I'd never live in the shithole known as New Jersey

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, instead of bitching about the courts, why aren't you bitching about the politicians that passed the law in the first place? They just said that the ban that was passed by the state legislature was valid.

From the OP's link...........................

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban.


The majority, in an opinion by Judge Shwartz and joined by Judge Greenaway, both appointed by President Obama, held that the ban did not violate the Second Amendment because it reasonably advanced the State’s interest in reducing mass shootings without severely burdening the rights of law-abiding citizens.

Share: Va. Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health Records Released. The missing pieces of the mental health records of Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho were made public today by the university, offering the first glimpse at the medical evaluations Cho underwent prior to committing the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history.
Virginia Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health ...
abcnews.go.com/us/seung-hui-chos-mental-health-records-released/story?id=8278195

This guy had a 9mm and .22 pistol and was still able to kill plenty of students in that school. Do you want to know the rule about guns at that school? Virginia is a open and concealed carry state, but VA Tech is a gun free zone....Duncha just love it..Ban magazines dont put mentally ill people away.

You do understand why a place is designated as a gun free zone right? It's so that they can tack on extra charges if they commit a crime in that area with a gun.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

You know, instead of bitching about the courts, why aren't you bitching about the politicians that passed the law in the first place? They just said that the ban that was passed by the state legislature was valid.

From the OP's link...........................

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban.


The majority, in an opinion by Judge Shwartz and joined by Judge Greenaway, both appointed by President Obama, held that the ban did not violate the Second Amendment because it reasonably advanced the State’s interest in reducing mass shootings without severely burdening the rights of law-abiding citizens.

Share: Va. Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health Records Released. The missing pieces of the mental health records of Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho were made public today by the university, offering the first glimpse at the medical evaluations Cho underwent prior to committing the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history.
Virginia Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health ...
abcnews.go.com/us/seung-hui-chos-mental-health-records-released/story?id=8278195

This guy had a 9mm and .22 pistol and was still able to kill plenty of students in that school. Do you want to know the rule about guns at that school? Virginia is a open and concealed carry state, but VA Tech is a gun free zone....Duncha just love it..Ban magazines dont put mentally ill people away.

You do understand why a place is designated as a gun free zone right? It's so that they can tack on extra charges if they commit a crime in that area with a gun.

Doesn't help the dead people much, does it?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

You know, instead of bitching about the courts, why aren't you bitching about the politicians that passed the law in the first place? They just said that the ban that was passed by the state legislature was valid.

From the OP's link...........................

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban.


The majority, in an opinion by Judge Shwartz and joined by Judge Greenaway, both appointed by President Obama, held that the ban did not violate the Second Amendment because it reasonably advanced the State’s interest in reducing mass shootings without severely burdening the rights of law-abiding citizens.

Share: Va. Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health Records Released. The missing pieces of the mental health records of Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho were made public today by the university, offering the first glimpse at the medical evaluations Cho underwent prior to committing the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history.
Virginia Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health ...
abcnews.go.com/us/seung-hui-chos-mental-health-records-released/story?id=8278195

This guy had a 9mm and .22 pistol and was still able to kill plenty of students in that school. Do you want to know the rule about guns at that school? Virginia is a open and concealed carry state, but VA Tech is a gun free zone....Duncha just love it..Ban magazines dont put mentally ill people away.

You do understand why a place is designated as a gun free zone right? It's so that they can tack on extra charges if they commit a crime in that area with a gun.

Great, so he can be charged with even more charges, when he goes in, like in Orlando, and kills 50 gays, he gets 50 life sentences and a illegal gun misdemeanor.. You guys really are mentally ill....

 

[Claudette]

You know, instead of bitching about the courts, why aren't you bitching about the politicians that passed the law in the first place? They just said that the ban that was passed by the state legislature was valid.

From the OP's link...........................

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban.


The majority, in an opinion by Judge Shwartz and joined by Judge Greenaway, both appointed by President Obama, held that the ban did not violate the Second Amendment because it reasonably advanced the State’s interest in reducing mass shootings without severely burdening the rights of law-abiding citizens.

Share: Va. Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health Records Released. The missing pieces of the mental health records of Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho were made public today by the university, offering the first glimpse at the medical evaluations Cho underwent prior to committing the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history.
Virginia Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health ...
abcnews.go.com/us/seung-hui-chos-mental-health-records-released/story?id=8278195

This guy had a 9mm and .22 pistol and was still able to kill plenty of students in that school. Do you want to know the rule about guns at that school? Virginia is a open and concealed carry state, but VA Tech is a gun free zone....Duncha just love it..Ban magazines dont put mentally ill people away.

You do understand why a place is designated as a gun free zone right? It's so that they can tack on extra charges if they commit a crime in that area with a gun.

Doesn't help the dead people much, does it?

Didn't help the dead in San Bernardino either.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You know, instead of bitching about the courts, why aren't you bitching about the politicians that passed the law in the first place? They just said that the ban that was passed by the state legislature was valid.

From the OP's link...........................

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban.


The majority, in an opinion by Judge Shwartz and joined by Judge Greenaway, both appointed by President Obama, held that the ban did not violate the Second Amendment because it reasonably advanced the State’s interest in reducing mass shootings without severely burdening the rights of law-abiding citizens.

Share: Va. Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health Records Released. The missing pieces of the mental health records of Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho were made public today by the university, offering the first glimpse at the medical evaluations Cho underwent prior to committing the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history.
Virginia Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health ...
abcnews.go.com/us/seung-hui-chos-mental-health-records-released/story?id=8278195

This guy had a 9mm and .22 pistol and was still able to kill plenty of students in that school. Do you want to know the rule about guns at that school? Virginia is a open and concealed carry state, but VA Tech is a gun free zone....Duncha just love it..Ban magazines dont put mentally ill people away.

You do understand why a place is designated as a gun free zone right? It's so that they can tack on extra charges if they commit a crime in that area with a gun.

Sure.

Which is exactly why mass shooters pick gun free zones.

One of the dumbest laws ever

 

[Pilot1]

These are just "feel good" laws by worthless politicians, and their toadies in the courts. That being said, I comply with all laws all the time.

 

[2aguy]

You know, instead of bitching about the courts, why aren't you bitching about the politicians that passed the law in the first place? They just said that the ban that was passed by the state legislature was valid.

From the OP's link...........................

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban.


The majority, in an opinion by Judge Shwartz and joined by Judge Greenaway, both appointed by President Obama, held that the ban did not violate the Second Amendment because it reasonably advanced the State’s interest in reducing mass shootings without severely burdening the rights of law-abiding citizens.

It is not valid, it violates the 2nd Amendment and the rulings in D.C v Heller and Caetano v Massachusetts...... we have the Bill of Rights and Supreme Court rulings that state they are wrong....you could also look at Scalia's dissent in Friedman v Highland Park where he explains even further the courts opinion in D.C. v Heller... those judges are ignoring the law.....they are breaking the law.

 

[2aguy]

You know, instead of bitching about the courts, why aren't you bitching about the politicians that passed the law in the first place? They just said that the ban that was passed by the state legislature was valid.

From the OP's link...........................

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban.


The majority, in an opinion by Judge Shwartz and joined by Judge Greenaway, both appointed by President Obama, held that the ban did not violate the Second Amendment because it reasonably advanced the State’s interest in reducing mass shootings without severely burdening the rights of law-abiding citizens.

Share: Va. Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health Records Released. The missing pieces of the mental health records of Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho were made public today by the university, offering the first glimpse at the medical evaluations Cho underwent prior to committing the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history.
Virginia Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health ...
abcnews.go.com/us/seung-hui-chos-mental-health-records-released/story?id=8278195

This guy had a 9mm and .22 pistol and was still able to kill plenty of students in that school. Do you want to know the rule about guns at that school? Virginia is a open and concealed carry state, but VA Tech is a gun free zone....Duncha just love it..Ban magazines dont put mentally ill people away.

You do understand why a place is designated as a gun free zone right? It's so that they can tack on extra charges if they commit a crime in that area with a gun.

No..... what it does is keep normal people from carrying their legal guns onto school grounds...which allows the mass public shooters an easy target.....unarmed, helpless children...... we know they choose gun free zones because the mass public shooters tell us they do.

And if a public shooter kills someone on school grounds...the "extra charges" for carrying a gun are the least of everyone's problems......

Notice they didn't say in that law that you would get a longer prison sentence if you used a more than 10 round magazine in the commission of a crime, they made it illegal to simply own one......this is a violation of Alito's statements in the Supreme Courts ruling in Caetano v Massachusetts..... and shows that they don't care about stopping criminals, they only care about making normal people into criminals so they can pressure them to not own guns.

 

[2aguy]

You know, instead of bitching about the courts, why aren't you bitching about the politicians that passed the law in the first place? They just said that the ban that was passed by the state legislature was valid.

From the OP's link...........................

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban.


The majority, in an opinion by Judge Shwartz and joined by Judge Greenaway, both appointed by President Obama, held that the ban did not violate the Second Amendment because it reasonably advanced the State’s interest in reducing mass shootings without severely burdening the rights of law-abiding citizens.

A shooter in Crimea used a 5 shot, pump action shotgun to murder 20 college students....magazine capacity has no bearing on the number killed in a mass public shooting....actual research into the topic shows this...

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class journal research

Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Do bans on large-capacity magazines (LCMs) for semiautomatic firearms have significant potential for reducing the number of deaths and injuries in mass shootings?
The most common rationale for an effect of LCM use is that they allow mass killers to fire many rounds without reloading.

LCMs are used is less than 1/3 of 1% of mass shootings.
News accounts of 23 shootings in which more than six people were killed or wounded and LCMs were used, occurring in the U.S. in 1994-2013, were examined.
There was only one incident in which the shooter may have been stopped by bystander intervention when he tried to reload.


In all of these 23 incidents the shooter possessed either multiple guns or multiple magazines, meaning that the shooter, even if denied LCMs, could have continued firing without significant interruption by either switching loaded guns or by changing smaller loaded magazines with only a 2-4 second delay for each magazine change.

Finally, the data indicate that mass shooters maintain slow enough rates of fire such that the time needed to reload would not increase the time between shots and thus the time available for prospective victims to escape.

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We did not employ the oft-used definition of “mass murder” as a homicide in which four or more victims were killed, because most of these involve just four to six victims (Duwe 2007), which could therefore have involved as few as six rounds fired, a number that shooters using even ordinary revolvers are capable of firing without reloading.

LCMs obviously cannot help shooters who fire no more rounds than could be fired without LCMs, so the inclusion of “nonaffectable” cases with only four to six victims would dilute the sample, reducing the percent of sample incidents in which an LCM might have affected the number of casualties.

Further, had we studied only homicides with four or more dead victims, drawn from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports, we would have missed cases in which huge numbers of people were shot, and huge numbers of rounds were fired, but three or fewer of the victims died.


For example, in one widely publicized shooting carried out in Los Angeles on February 28, 1997, two bank robbers shot a total of 18 people - surely a mass shooting by any reasonable standard (Table 1).

Yet, because none of the people they shot died, this incident would not qualify as a mass murder (or even murder of any kind).

Exclusion of such incidents would bias the sample against the proposition that LCM use increases the number of victims by excluding incidents with large numbers of victims. We also excluded shootings in which more than six persons were shot over the entire course of the incident but shootings occurred in multiple locations with no more than six people shot in any one of the locations, and substantial periods of time intervened between episodes of shooting. An example is the series of killings committed by Rodrick Dantzler on July 7, 2011.

Once eligible incidents were identified, we searched through news accounts for details related to whether the use of LCMs could have influenced the casualty counts.

Specifically, we searched for

(1) the number of magazines in the shooter’s immediate possession,

(2) the capacity of the largest magazine,

(3) the number of guns in the shooter’s immediate possession during the incident,

(4) the types of guns possessed,

(5) whether the shooter reloaded during the incident,

(6) the number of rounds fired,

(7) the duration of the shooting from the first shot fired to the last, and (8) whether anyone intervened to stop the shooter.

Findings How Many Mass Shootings were Committed Using LCMs?

We identified 23 total incidents in which more than six people were shot at a single time and place in the U.S. from 1994 through 2013 and that were known to involve use of any magazines with capacities over ten rounds.


Table 1 summarizes key details of the LCMinvolved mass shootings relevant to the issues addressed in this paper.

(Table 1 about here) What fraction of all mass shootings involve LCMs?

There is no comprehensive listing of all mass shootings available for the entire 1994-2013 period, but the most extensive one currently available is at the Shootingtracker.com website, which only began its coverage in 2013.

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The offenders in LCM-involved mass shootings were also known to have reloaded during 14 of the 23 (61%) incidents with magazine holding over 10 rounds.

The shooters were known to have not reloaded in another two of these 20 incidents and it could not be determined if they reloaded in the remaining seven incidents.

Thus, even if the shooters had been denied LCMs, we know that most of them definitely would have been able to reload smaller detachable magazines without interference from bystanders since they in fact did change magazines.

The fact that this percentage is less than 100% should not, however, be interpreted to mean that the shooters were unable to reload in the other nine incidents.

It is possible that the shooters could also have reloaded in many of these nine shootings, but chose not to do so, or did not need to do so in order to fire all the rounds they wanted to fire. This is consistent with the fact that there has been at most only one mass shootings in twenty years in which reloading a semiautomatic firearm might have been blocked by bystanders intervening and thereby stopping the shooter from doing all the shooting he wanted to do. All we know is that in two incidents the shooter did not reload, and news accounts of seven other incidents did not mention whether the offender reloaded.

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For example, a story in the Hartford Courant about the Sandy Hook elementary school killings in 2012 was headlined “Shooter Paused, and Six Escaped,” the text asserting that as many as six children may have survived because the shooter paused to reload (December 23, 2012). ''

The author of the story, however, went on to concede that this was just a speculation by an unnamed source, and that it was also possible that some children simply escaped when the killer was shooting other children.

There was no reliable evidence that the pauses were due to the shooter reloading, rather than his guns jamming or the shooter simply choosing to pause his shooting while his gun was still loaded.

The plausibility of the “victims escape” rationale depends on the average rates of fire that shooters in mass shootings typically maintain.

If they fire very fast, the 2-4 seconds it takes to change box-type detachable magazines could produce a slowing of the rate of fire that the shooters otherwise would have maintained without the magazine changes, increasing the average time between rounds fired and potentially allowing more victims to escape during the betweenshot intervals.

On the other hand, if mass shooters fire their guns with the average interval between shots lasting more than 2-4 seconds, the pauses due to additional magazine changes would be no longer than the pauses the shooter typically took between shots even when not reloading.

In that case, there would be no more opportunity for potential victims to escape than there would have been without the additional magazine changes

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In sum, in nearly all LCM-involved mass shootings, the time it takes to reload a detachable magazine is no greater than the average time between shots that the shooter takes anyway when not reloading.

Consequently, there is no affirmative evidence that reloading detachable magazines slows mass shooters’ rates of fire, and thus no affirmative evidence that the number of victims who could escape the killers due to additional pauses in the shooting is increased by the shooter’s need to change magazines.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I'd never live in the shithole known as New Jersey

I always viewed it as a toxic waste dump.

 

[August West]

You know, instead of bitching about the courts, why aren't you bitching about the politicians that passed the law in the first place? They just said that the ban that was passed by the state legislature was valid.

From the OP's link...........................

New Jersey – -(AmmoLand.com)- December 5, 2018. In a 2-1 decision, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit refused to stop the enforcement of New Jersey’s 10-round magazine ban.


The majority, in an opinion by Judge Shwartz and joined by Judge Greenaway, both appointed by President Obama, held that the ban did not violate the Second Amendment because it reasonably advanced the State’s interest in reducing mass shootings without severely burdening the rights of law-abiding citizens.

Share: Va. Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health Records Released. The missing pieces of the mental health records of Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho were made public today by the university, offering the first glimpse at the medical evaluations Cho underwent prior to committing the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history.
Virginia Tech Shooter Seung-Hui Cho's Mental Health ...
abcnews.go.com/us/seung-hui-chos-mental-health-records-released/story?id=8278195

This guy had a 9mm and .22 pistol and was still able to kill plenty of students in that school. Do you want to know the rule about guns at that school? Virginia is a open and concealed carry state, but VA Tech is a gun free zone....Duncha just love it..Ban magazines dont put mentally ill people away.

You do understand why a place is designated as a gun free zone right? It's so that they can tack on extra charges if they commit a crime in that area with a gun.

Sure.

Which is exactly why mass shooters pick gun free zones.

One of the dumbest laws ever

Actually, you`re full of shit. Can you name one mass shooting where the shooter targeted the unarmed because it was a gun free zone? You`re parroting the NRA`s nonsense. Well done, have a cracker.
Debunking the Gun Free Zone Myth: “Mass Murder Magnets”
Opinion flashback: NRA's gun-free zone myth

 

[there4eyeM]

Field and Stream, Guns and Ammo and others will be disappointed. Are subscriptions to be cancelled as well?