They keep releasing gun criminals, they even release school shooters.....this is insane.

[2aguy]

You vote for a party that allows crazy people to own firearms.

President Donald Trump responded to the El Paso and Dayton mass shootings by insisting Monday that “mental illness pulls the trigger not the gun,” but shortly after taking office he quietly rolled back an Obama-era regulation that would have made it harder for people with mental illness to buy guns.

Trump did so without any fanfare. In fact, the news that Trump had signed the bill was at the bottom of a White House email that alerted the media to other legislation signed by the president.

In a statement, the National Rifle Association said it "welcomes the President's call to address the root causes of the horrific acts of violence that have occurred in our country."

"It has been the NRA’s long-standing position that those who have been adjudicated as a danger to themselves or others should not have access to firearms and should be admitted for treatment," it said.

But two years ago, the NRA insisted the Obama rule infringed on Second Amendment rights to buy guns, even though the regulation specifically targeted people who were diagnosed with mental illness.

The NRA “applauded” Trump’s action at the time and then-executive director Chris Cox said the move “marks a new era for law-abiding gun owners, as we now have a president who respects and supports our arms.”

The Obama rule that Trump nullified had added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their financial affairs to the national background check database.


I guess they had to, Trumpaciles couldn't own a firearm.

You should really, really do just a tiny bit of research before you post...that way you won't look fucking stupid........

Gun Control Laws Should Be Fair

But gun control laws, like any law, should be fair, effective and not based on prejudice or stereotype. This rule met none of those criteria.

In this era of “alternative facts,” we must urge politicians to create laws based on reliable evidence and solid data.

The thousands of Americans whose disability benefits are managed by someone else range from young people with depression and financial inexperience to older adults with Down syndrome needing help with a limited budget.

But no data — none — show that these individuals have a propensity for violence in general or gun violence in particular.

To the contrary, studies show that people with mental disabilities are less likely to commit firearm crimes than to be the victimsof violence by others.

--------------------------
The ACLU and 23 national disability groups did not oppose this rule because we want more guns in our community.

This is about more than guns.

Adding more innocent Americans to the National Instant Criminal Background database because of a mental disability is a disturbing trend — one that could be applied to voting, parenting or other rights dearer than gun ownership. We opposed it because it would do little to stem gun violence but do much to harm our civil rights.

 

[Smokin' OP]

You should really, really do just a tiny bit of research before you post...that way you won't look fucking stupid........

Gun Control Laws Should Be Fair

But gun control laws, like any law, should be fair, effective and not based on prejudice or stereotype. This rule met none of those criteria.

In this era of “alternative facts,” we must urge politicians to create laws based on reliable evidence and solid data.

The thousands of Americans whose disability benefits are managed by someone else range from young people with depression and financial inexperience to older adults with Down syndrome needing help with a limited budget. But no data — none — show that these individuals have a propensity for violence in general or gun violence in particular.

To the contrary, studies show that people with mental disabilities are less likely to commit firearm crimes than to be the victimsof violence by others.

--------------------------
The ACLU and 23 national disability groups did not oppose this rule because we want more guns in our community.

This is about more than guns.

Adding more innocent Americans to the National Instant Criminal Background database because of a mental disability is a disturbing trend — one that could be applied to voting, parenting or other rights dearer than gun ownership. We opposed it because it would do little to stem gun violence but do much to harm our civil rights.

Right, moron.

Like posting the comments from ACLU, means anything, ACLU's statement is an opinion.

'The thousands of Americans whose disability benefits are managed by someone else range from young people with depression and financial inexperience to older adults with Down syndrome needing help with a limited budget'.

But they can afford a gun, via the taxpayer?

'To the contrary, studies show that people with mental disabilities are less likely to commit firearm crimes than to be the victimsof violence by others'.

Really?
Not what the orange retard said and what republicans have been claiming for years, which, I happen to partially agree with.

'President Donald Trump responded to the El Paso and Dayton mass shootings by insisting Monday that “mental illness pulls the trigger not the gun,”

'Adding more innocent Americans to the National Instant Criminal Background database because of a mental disability is a disturbing trend — one that could be applied to voting, parenting or other rights dearer than gun ownership'.

How do they know they are 'innocent'?
What are they hiding and why are they trying to?

Trumpaciles made looking stupid into an art form.

 

[JoeB131]

There wasn'y any gun control before Sandy Hook?

Adam Lanza was able to get ahold of a military grade weapon, so, um, no.

A system that let's a Autistic Retard have Access to an anti-Zombie Arsenal is about the opposite of control.

 

[JoeB131]

Total number of people killed in those 12 mass public shootings?

73.

Still lying about mass shootings, Dick Tiny.

How many mass shootings have there been in 2021?

The FBI says a mass shooting is any incident that involves multiple victims of gun violence. It defines "victims" as both people who are killed and those who are injured by gunfire. Three people must have been injured or killed for the incident to qualify as a mass shooting.

www.turnto23.com

According to the Gun Violence Archive, there were 417 mass shootings in 2019. The total number of people killed in America because of gun violence that year was close to 40,000. In 2020, there were 610 mass shootings across the nation. Roughly 43,000 people died because of gun violence in 2020.

In California, 27 people have been killed as a result of 18 mass shootings in 2021. Of those 18 shootings, six resulted in no deaths. The shooting on Wednesday in San Jose resulted in the most deaths with 9, including the shooter.

 

[Blues Man]

Adam Lanza was able to get ahold of a military grade weapon, so, um, no.

A system that let's a Autistic Retard have Access to an anti-Zombie Arsenal is about the opposite of control.

Lanza killed his mother and stole the gun from her. He didn't buy it at a gun store or a private sale.

You need to at least learn the facts before you whine about shit

 

[JoeB131]

Lanza killed his mother and stole the gun from her. He didn't buy it at a gun store or a private sale.

You need to at least learn the facts before you whine about shit

Point is, she gave him access to the guns. She didn't have them in a safe where only she knew the combination.

Instead, she took him to a range and taught him how to shoot them. She let him play first person shooter games for hours on end.

Mama Lanza was just as guilty as he was.

 

[Blues Man]

Point is, she gave him access to the guns. She didn't have them in a safe where only she knew the combination.

Instead, she took him to a range and taught him how to shoot them. She let him play first person shooter games for hours on end.

Mama Lanza was just as guilty as he was.

Point is he murdered his mother to get her guns and the crimes of one person is no reason to take away the rights of another.

 

[JoeB131]

Point is he murdered his mother to get her guns and the crimes of one person is no reason to take away the rights of another.

There are no "rights".

There are only privileges that society agrees you should have.

Any fool who thinks he has "rights" needs to look up Japanese Americans, 1942.

Now, in principle, I don't have a problem with you guys practicing your gun fetish, as long as it doesn't have any impact on my life.

But 39,000 gun deaths a year
70,000 gun injuries.
273 BILLION in economic losses.
400,000 gun crimes
Security guards,
active shooter drills,
sending Timmy to school with a bullet proof backpack,
key-carding internal doors in the work place to slow down active shooters,
militarized police who shoot people when they reach for a cell phone...

Um, yeah, your fetish has become a real pain in the ass to the rest of us, and you guys don't even want to make TOKEN efforts to slow down the carnage.

The two things that happen after every mass shooting is we find out everyone in that person's life knew he was trouble, and he was still able to get a gun, really easily.

 

[Blues Man]

There are no "rights".

There are only privileges that society agrees you should have.

Any fool who thinks he has "rights" needs to look up Japanese Americans, 1942.

Now, in principle, I don't have a problem with you guys practicing your gun fetish, as long as it doesn't have any impact on my life.

But 39,000 gun deaths a year
70,000 gun injuries.
273 BILLION in economic losses.
400,000 gun crimes
Security guards,
active shooter drills,
sending Timmy to school with a bullet proof backpack,
key-carding internal doors in the work place to slow down active shooters,
militarized police who shoot people when they reach for a cell phone...

Um, yeah, your fetish has become a real pain in the ass to the rest of us, and you guys don't even want to make TOKEN efforts to slow down the carnage.

The two things that happen after every mass shooting is we find out everyone in that person's life knew he was trouble, and he was still able to get a gun, really easily.

That's where your wrong.

Our entire system of government is predicated on the concept that rights cannot be given nor taken away because they are inherent in every person.

And I don't have a fetish. I don;t even own many guns but the ones I do own are my business not yours.

And Sandy Hook could have been prevented by a simple steel door rather than the glass doors that the school had.

 

[JoeB131]

That's where your wrong.

Our entire system of government is predicated on the concept that rights cannot be given nor taken away because they are inherent in every person.

Um, yeah... Except for slavery. Poor people being abused by the police regularly. People being thrown in prison for crimes they didn't commit. Our whole history is full of rights being optional when we don't really care about others.

And I don't have a fetish. I don;t even own many guns but the ones I do own are my business not yours.

Up until the point they present a danger, um, yeah. Frankly, the best argument for gun control is a talk with a gun nut... you guys are crazy.

And Sandy Hook could have been prevented by a simple steel door rather than the glass doors that the school had.

Steel Doors on the schools? Out in suburbia? Really?

We should probably also eliminate recess, because the next Lanza will just pick the little darlings off in the playground.

 

[Blues Man]

Um, yeah... Except for slavery. Poor people being abused by the police regularly. People being thrown in prison for crimes they didn't commit. Our whole history is full of rights being optional when we don't really care about others.




Up until the point they present a danger, um, yeah. Frankly, the best argument for gun control is a talk with a gun nut... you guys are crazy.



Steel Doors on the schools? Out in suburbia? Really?

We should probably also eliminate recess, because the next Lanza will just pick the little darlings off in the playground.

You do realize that we amended the Constitution to abolish slavery don't you?

 

[JoeB131]

You do realize that we amended the Constitution to abolish slavery don't you?

Yet blacks have nowhere near the rights white folks have , 150 years later.

 

[Blues Man]

Yet blacks have nowhere near the rights white folks have , 150 years later.

They have the same rights even if they think they don't

 

[JoeB131]

They have the same rights even if they think they don't

Check your privilege...

 

[2aguy]

Right, moron.

Like posting the comments from ACLU, means anything, ACLU's statement is an opinion.

'The thousands of Americans whose disability benefits are managed by someone else range from young people with depression and financial inexperience to older adults with Down syndrome needing help with a limited budget'.

But they can afford a gun, via the taxpayer?

'To the contrary, studies show that people with mental disabilities are less likely to commit firearm crimes than to be the victimsof violence by others'.

Really?
Not what the orange retard said and what republicans have been claiming for years, which, I happen to partially agree with.

'President Donald Trump responded to the El Paso and Dayton mass shootings by insisting Monday that “mental illness pulls the trigger not the gun,”

'Adding more innocent Americans to the National Instant Criminal Background database because of a mental disability is a disturbing trend — one that could be applied to voting, parenting or other rights dearer than gun ownership'.

How do they know they are 'innocent'?
What are they hiding and why are they trying to?

Trumpaciles made looking stupid into an art form.

Yes.....try to ignore that the ACLU and 23 other mental health organizations agree with not attacking people with mental illness.....you are an idiot.

 

[2aguy]

Adam Lanza was able to get ahold of a military grade weapon, so, um, no.

A system that let's a Autistic Retard have Access to an anti-Zombie Arsenal is about the opposite of control.

It wasn't a military weapon you lying asshole.....it was a basic rifle...and he could have murdered just as many children with a pistol or shotgun...the rifle didn't matter.

You moron...

The fact that he chose a gun free zone made the difference. He attended all 3 schools.....he chose that school because it was the only one of the 3 that did not have a police resource officer in the building...he chose the smallest children because he knew they wouldn't be able to escape or fight back.......

He stopped his shooting the minute he heard police sirens.......had it not been a gun free zone, he wouldn't have attacked that school...

You fucking moron.

There is only one mass public shooting where the rifle had an advantage in the shooting, and that was Las Vegas, where the range was over 200 yards......but he was also firing into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people, at night, from a concealed and fortified position.......with his initial shooting masked by the concert.



And if the crowd hadn't been trapped in that concert arena, he wouldn't have been able to kill as many since they would have run away or found cover.....since shooting at moving targets at hundreds of yards is almost impossible for all but expertly trained shooters...



At the range of every other mass public shooting a rifle has no advantage over pistols or shotguns.......



again.....at the range of a mass public shooting the AR-15 is no better than a pump action shotgun....as are 2 handguns......you idiot...



Boulder....used an AR-15 with magazines that held more than 10 bullets.. 10 killed.....



Virginia Tech...2 pistols, one with 10 round magazine..... 32 killed.



Do you see that the AR-15 killed fewer people than the 2 pistols?



Boulder...10 killed with an AR-15 rifle and regular magazines ( holding more than 10 bullets)



Luby's Cafe..... 2 pistols....24 killed.



Do you see that the 2 pistols killed more than the AR-15?



Do you know what the difference was between these attacks?



The cops immediately responded and shot at the attacker in boulder, causing him to stop shooting unarmed victims, and then he shot himself....



Virginia Tech and Luby's Cafe, the police didn't get there, and at Luby's Cafe, the one woman who could have shot and killed the attacker had to leave her gun in her car because of stupid gun free zone laws....



Boulder AR-15 with magazines that hold more than 10 bullets...you know, regular magazines..... 10 killed...



Kerch, Russia, Polytechnic school shooting.... 5 shot, pump action shotgun...which means it had 5 shells which is 5 less than 10........20 killed 70 wounded.



Do you see that the AR-15 killed fewer people than the 5 shot, pump action shotgun?



The difference? The Russian police station was 100 yards away from the school...and it still took them 10 minutes to get to the school...and he managed to kill 20 people with a 5 shot, pump action shotgun....10 more than the Boulder shooter with a rifle and a regular sized magazine...





So again.......in a mass public shooting the number of bullets in the gun magazine doesn't mean anything......the gun doesn't make the difference....



What makes the difference?



1) if the target is a gun free zone, more people get killed.



2) if someone starts shooting at the attacker, they commit suicide, or surrender, or runaway....



That is what you don't understand and don't care to understand since you simply have a mental issue when it comes to the AR-15 rifle.

That rifle had no special advantage in a mass public shooting.



We have 20 million AR-15 rifles in private hands in the U.S....



They were used for mass public shootings 4 times in 2019 killing a grand total of



41



Deer kill 200 people a year.



Ladders kill 300 people a year.



Lawn mowers kill between 90-100 people a year...



20 million, and growing, AR-15 rifles in private hands....they were used 4 times in mass public shootings...

 

[2aguy]

Still lying about mass shootings, Dick Tiny.

How many mass shootings have there been in 2021?

The FBI says a mass shooting is any incident that involves multiple victims of gun violence. It defines "victims" as both people who are killed and those who are injured by gunfire. Three people must have been injured or killed for the incident to qualify as a mass shooting.

www.turnto23.com

According to the Gun Violence Archive, there were 417 mass shootings in 2019. The total number of people killed in America because of gun violence that year was close to 40,000. In 2020, there were 610 mass shootings across the nation. Roughly 43,000 people died because of gun violence in 2020.

In California, 27 people have been killed as a result of 18 mass shootings in 2021. Of those 18 shootings, six resulted in no deaths. The shooting on Wednesday in San Jose resulted in the most deaths with 9, including the shooter.

Shithead.....you know, because you have been shown over and over again that the Gun Violence Archive lies.....they include gang shootings to their lists to inflate the idea that mass public shootings are common.....because normal people know that gang shootings, in democrat party controlled cities, do not effect them......but mass public shootings are used to scare normal people even though they are the rarest of rare events....so shitheads like you and the GVA lie, and mix gang shootings in to the mass public shooting list..to falsely inflate the numbers to deceive the public.....

The actual truth...

US mass shootings, 1982–2021: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.)
  • Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • 
    
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
  • ----------------------

Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.




knife murders.....2009-2013.....

2009----1,836
2010----1,933
2011----1,611
2012---1,769
2013---1.956
2015....1,589
2016....1,632
2017....1,591

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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...

The list below comes from the old definition of 4 killed to make a shooting a mass shooting...if you now go to the link there are more than listed below...but that is because Mother Jones changed the list from the time I first posted it...and changed to obama's new standard of only 3 dead to make a mass shooting...

I have put obama's updated number in parenthesis..........

we will see....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...

Deer kill 200 people a year.

Ladders kill ladders kill 300.

Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 90

Bathtubs....350

It’s National Ladder Safety Month | Blogs | CDC

CDC - Blogs - NIOSH Science Blog – It’s National Ladder Safety Month -

blogs.cdc.gov

Lawnmowers kill more people than bears or sharks or alligators each year



Ladder Safety.



Someone drowns in a tub nearly every day in America


Mass public shooting deaths total by year......

2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

 

[Rigby5]

Adam Lanza was able to get ahold of a military grade weapon, so, um, no.

A system that let's a Autistic Retard have Access to an anti-Zombie Arsenal is about the opposite of control.

An AR is absolutely NOT a military grade weapon.
The problem with people like Adam Lanza is entirely one of lacking in a public health care system.

 

[2aguy]

There are no "rights".

There are only privileges that society agrees you should have.

Any fool who thinks he has "rights" needs to look up Japanese Americans, 1942.

Now, in principle, I don't have a problem with you guys practicing your gun fetish, as long as it doesn't have any impact on my life.

But 39,000 gun deaths a year
70,000 gun injuries.
273 BILLION in economic losses.
400,000 gun crimes
Security guards,
active shooter drills,
sending Timmy to school with a bullet proof backpack,
key-carding internal doors in the work place to slow down active shooters,
militarized police who shoot people when they reach for a cell phone...

Um, yeah, your fetish has become a real pain in the ass to the rest of us, and you guys don't even want to make TOKEN efforts to slow down the carnage.

The two things that happen after every mass shooting is we find out everyone in that person's life knew he was trouble, and he was still able to get a gun, really easily.

You are a liar....

The truth...

600 million guns in private hands......over 19.4 million Americans can carry guns legally in public for self defense.........



American use those legal guns 1.2 million times a year to stop rapes, stabbings, beatings, robberies, and murders, as well as also stopping mass public shootings when they are allowed to have their legal guns with them...



Gun deaths...the truth....



2019...



Gun murder...10,235



Gun accidents...486



Of the gun murder deaths....over 70-80% of the victims are not regular Americans....they are criminals...murdered by other criminals in primarily democrat party controlled cities....where the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians have released them over and over again no matter how many times they are arrested for felony, illegal gun possession and violent crimes with guns...that's on you and your political party...not normal gun owners.





Gun suicides... 23,491...



Suicide is not a gun issue, it is a mental health issue....



Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide


There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world.

According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.
Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).
Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).
Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)
Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.





And yet Scotland has a higher suicide rate than the U.S......Japan, where only criminals and cops have guns, has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Sweden has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....Denmark has a higher suicide rate than the u.S.....



France

Germany,

Hungary

Iceland

New Zealand

Poland

Norway

Japan

South Korea



https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/suiciderate.html



Scotland..



15.7 suicides per 100,000

In 2019?

16.7 suicides per 100,000.

And in the U.S.?

13.93 per 100,000



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Expanded Homicide Data Table 8



Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop brutal rapes, robberies, beatings, knifings, murders......according to the Centers for Disease Control, and 1.5 million times according to the Department of Justice.



Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?



Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct





that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—



Money saved from people not being beaten, raped, murdered, robbed?.......





So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.


Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

 

[2aguy]

Um, yeah... Except for slavery. Poor people being abused by the police regularly. People being thrown in prison for crimes they didn't commit. Our whole history is full of rights being optional when we don't really care about others.




Up until the point they present a danger, um, yeah. Frankly, the best argument for gun control is a talk with a gun nut... you guys are crazy.



Steel Doors on the schools? Out in suburbia? Really?

We should probably also eliminate recess, because the next Lanza will just pick the little darlings off in the playground.

You vote for the political party created by slave owners, the party that started the Civil War to keep their slaves...actual slave rapists ....and you continue to vote for them.......you hysterical moron.