These Are The People dems Want To Have A Cease Fire For

[AntonToo]

Really? Who said you that? Joe Biden?

People who deal with war statistics and economic data.

Which data specifically do you question?

 

[rightwinger]

It doesn't take much bravery to admit that many innocent Palestinians are suffering. Admitting that doesn't mean you don't support Israel, it just means you're being honest.

But no, Trumpsters don't want to do that, because anything less than pure caveman rage, any admission that those who disagree with them are at least human, is now equated with abject weakness and surrender.

This is the ugliness of MAGA on full display. Americans really should be better than this.

It all comes down to Conservatives believing all Muslims are terrorists

 

[HeyNorm]

It all comes down to Conservatives believing all Muslims are terrorists

Nah, just the terrorist Muslims, and progressive democrats who loved them some terrorists.

And who doesn’t love a good love story now and then,

 

[Silver Cat]

People who deal with war statistics and economic data.

Which data specifically do you question?

Average wealth of households, for starters. Tank producing capability. Total territory, controlled by Russian government.

 

[AntonToo]

Average wealth of households, for starters. Tank producing capability. Total territory, controlled by Russian government.

I’ll skip your “territory and tank production” brain farts and go to nominal average wealth which is increasing while interest rates are astronomical because ruble has collapsed and inflation rate is quickly getting out of control again.

Inmates and drunkard bums are now salaried at the front while government is running deficits to pay out families for their prime working age husbands and sons coming back in body bags.

There is hardly anyone to do the actual work to grow economy and make up for import disruptions. Labor demographics are disastrous due to low life expectancy (lowered further by the war) and low birth rates.

You can now get back to watching Channel 1, where they of course will carefully cherry-pick indicators to tell you all about how wonderful life in Russia is becoming.

 

[Mac1958]

Screw you fraud.

Hamas attacked Israel responded and Hamas is making sure their own people die. Thats on them.

Exactly. Let the innocents die. Fuck 'em!

It's a good thing you aren't a Christian, huh?

 

[eagle1462010]

Exactly. Let the innocents die. Fuck 'em!

It's a good thing you aren't a Christian, huh?

Troll. Guess David slew Goliath with a pillow huh.

Prople like you are why Wars get lost.

 

[Silver Cat]

I’ll skip your “territory and tank production” brain farts and go to nominal average wealth which is increasing while interest rates are astronomical because ruble has collapsed and inflation rate is quickly getting out of control again.

Inmates and drunkard bums are now salaried at the front while government is running deficits to pay out families for their prime working age husbands and sons coming back in body bags.

There is hardly anyone to do the actual work to grow economy and make up for import disruptions. Labor demographics are disastrous due to low life expectancy (lowered further by the war) and low birth rates.

You can now get back to watching Channel 1, where they of course will carefully cherry-pick indicators to tell you all about how wonderful life in Russia is becoming.

Sure, Bloomberg is one of those Russian propaganda sources.

Russia’s New Elite Emerges to Fill Void After Multinationals Flee

 

[AntonToo]

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Sure, Bloomberg is one of those Russian propaganda sources.

Russia’s New Elite Emerges to Fill Void After Multinationals Flee

Some obscure, narrow, context free “Improvement since previous month”?

That’s your argument that Russia is not headed for lost decades?

Russia can produce more, but it doesn’t have labor force to produce what it can no longer import, and what it will produce will be inferior and more expensive usually.

It’s really down to black market economy as far as the eye can see for Russia.

 

[Crepitus]

These Are The People dems Want To Have A Cease Fire For​

Nope.

These are:

 

[Silver Cat]

Some obscure, narrow, context free “Improvement since previous month”?

That’s your argument that Russia is not headed for lost decades?

Why so desperate?

No. I just want your arguments. Real facts, not some mumbling about "the terrible losses" and "totally destroyed Russian economy". As far as I know, Obama already had declared the total destruction of the Russian economy back in 2014. And after nine years of this total destruction they are still pretty alive and kicking, while American citizens are losing their money.

 

[AntonToo]

No. I just want your arguments. Real facts, not some mumbling about "the terrible losses" and "totally destroyed Russian economy".

I don't know who you are quoting, but I gave you the facts.

FACT interest rates are 15% and quickly climbing to address...

Interest rate is high because FACT rubble is at historic lows at 100r to $1

FACT inflation is again quickly accelerating after oscilating down earlier in the year VS through the roof 2022 inflation.

FACT Russian exports (60% of economy) are significantly down

FACT Russian budget deficits are building up:

 

[Silver Cat]

I don't know who you are quoting, but I gave you the facts.

FACT interest rates are 15% and quickly climbing to address...

Interest rate is high because FACT rubble is at historic lows at 100r to $1

FACT inflation is again quickly accelerating after oscilating down earlier in the year VS through the roof 2022 inflation.

FACT Russian exports (60% of economy) are significantly down

FACT Russian budget deficits are building up:

1. The interests are high because economy is growing.
2. Back in March 22, the rouble's exchange course was near 200:1, as Biden said. And it's just a reflexion of increased import via India.
3. If you count only official fossil fuel export - yes. But their export is not just fossil fuel, and what is more important - we don't have reliable information about it, either. According some estimations they are increasing their export and their incomes (especially after buying some Indian oil refineries).
4. 3% of budget deficits (even if this is true) is nearly nothing. They still have plenty of fat to be melted into muscles.

 

[Rambunctious]

 

[AntonToo]

1. The interests are high because economy is growing.

Thats is staight up silly bullshit. No one raises interest rates just because economy finally grows for 1Q after a year of recession.

High interest rates are primarily targeting weak ruble and quickly climbing inflation.

 

[AntonToo]

3. If you count only official fossil fuel export - yes. But their export is not just fossil fuel, and what is more important - we don't have reliable information about it, either. According some estimations they are increasing their export and their incomes (especially after buying some Indian oil refineries).

Laughable bullshit.

You sound like a standard fare soviet-age dupe that watches too much Russian state television

 

[Silver Cat]

Thats is staight up silly bullshit. No one raises interest rates just because economy finally grows for 1Q after a year of recession.

High interest rates are primarily targeting weak ruble and quickly climbing inflation.

Or you just underestimate the growth of the Russian economy (especially with those new territories).

 

[AntonToo]

Or you just underestimate the growth of the Russian economy (especially with those new territories).

nope, nothing to do with that.

It has to do with understanding basic economics and using your head instead of uncritical consumption of Kremlin propaganda.

Russia has no technological prospects, disasterous labor pool demographics and no production capacity to have any sort of long term growth prospects. It's siginificance in the world economy is that of a gas station and now it's leadership has fucked even that up and isolated half of their customers.

Here is Russian economy at a glace:

It's pretty much stagnation ever since fossil export upsides were topped out in 2000's and you think a major war is whats going to HELP it? Keep dreaming.

 

[Silver Cat]

nope, nothing to do with that.

It has to do with understanding basic economics and using your head instead of uncritical consumption of Kremlin propaganda.

The people with "understanding basic economic" have been producing delusional nonsense about "totally destroyed" Russian economy for years.

 

[AntonToo]

The people with "understanding basic economic" have been producing delusional nonsense about "totally destroyed" Russian economy for years.

For example?