There Isn't Going To Be A War With Iran -- Relax & Calm Down

[WEATHER53]

Out terrorizing the terrorists and liberals weep

 

[pknopp]

Iran tends to be peaceful, I doubt if there would be war

Iran sponsors dozens of militias and insurgent groups in a dozen different countries. Iran has seized civilian vessels and staged attacks on US and British warships in international waters.

Not exactly 'peaceful' behavior.

We have no room to talk. We've blown up hospitals.

 

[xyz]

Sounds like N. Korea, part 2. That has also worked well. I have an idea. Why tell them that if they are not nice, why don't rolling thunder part 2? That accomplished a lot. Namely it created ISIS, and destabilized the entire region.

Carter created the Taliban which morphed into al Quaeda which morphed into ISIS.

Carter? I thought it was Washington or Jefferson.

 

[Yarddog]

Maybe you forgot that just two days earlier they attacked the U.S. embassy, and prior to that there was some assault on a US military base, and Iran was not going to stop there....... so, you can threaten to draw lines in the sand and ask them nicely to stop, but if you dont do anything to let them know there is a consequence, youll be drawing a line in the sand when your standing knee deep in the surf.

Making a decisive move right after they attacked a U.S. embassy was a right move and something Iranian Mullahs understand, forget about all the rhetoric they will spew, thats all necessary for them but they got the message.
Most likely they figured Trump was weakened do to domestic problems with the likes of Pelosi and Schiff, they probably figured they could get away with pushing things. NO need to be afraid of what they might do in retaliation because they were planing on doing it anyway at some point.

Maybe instead of asking them to stop killing Americans in their country, we should leave their country.

Iraq is Iran's country? our embassy was in Iraq. Seems our issue is with the Iraqi government if they want us out, not Iran. So you guys are taking the side of Iran now? ok

Beats hell of me why we are in either one, as well as Afghanistan. .

How sad.

Yes, it is sad, considering that Americans will continue to die there with absolutely no achievable goals or strategy, unless, of course, you think that Middle Eastern tribal warfare is going to magickly disappear after thousands of years when Trump waves his magic wand.

Iran is a little different than saying it is just tribal warfare. They are a highly educated population overall, held hostage by radical Islamists who control the military. After the failed uprising, Obama came out and said after the fact, that he was SORRY he did not support them. Now why is that?
Leaving Iran to its Tribal warfare might sound good to you, but they have been developing ICBMs even while claiming they are not persuing nuclear weapons. Sooner or later they are going to make it everyones business. The Mullahs are crazy enough to use nukes on Israel, the Sunnis or anyone else.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Who was Qassem Soleimani, Iran's IRGC's Quds Force leader?


First and foremost, a bad guy was killed and the world should celebrate that....and not one US solider was harmed in doing so......Qassem Soleimani had been living on borrowed time for the past 20 years, so him taking a dirt nap now isn't a big deal -- there isn't going to be a war with Iran, so take a chill pill and relax....

Now who was Soleimani?? In Iran he was considered popular, initially because of his role in the Iran/Iraq war and later because of his role in the spread of Iranian influence in the Middle East, which the US, Saudi Arabia and Israel have struggled to keep in check..

"Soleimani ordered Iraqi militias into Syria to fight along the Iraqi military to defeat ISIL..which made him a "national hero" among the Iranian people and other Middle Eastern countries. 'If it wasn't for people like him, this region would have seen black flags flying across the region"

Who cares if this guy fought against ISIS, he conducted proxy wars and terrorist attacks on US interests across the Middle East that resulted in the loss of American lives....it was about time he got what was coming to him.....they have been trying to take him out for 20 years, he got caught slipping and here we are....Iran doesn't want a war with us -- the economic sanctions have crippled them, so a full fledge war with the US is not in their regime's best interest..They will continue to conduct proxy wars and attacks -- and we will continue to launch drone strikes against them in Iraq, but it will not go any further, so like I said..relax….celebrate the fact that a bad guy is gone...and give Trump credit...

#MAGA

I agree we won't be going to war with Iran but they or their proxies will almost certainly attack us or our allies. I won't miss this guy but I also think he has already been replaced with someone just as bad.

Who will be replaced by the next guy who will be replaced by the next guy who will be replaced by the next guy............

We love never ending wars as much as they do.

Man, you must have been PISSED when Obama killed Bin Laden!!!

Bin Laden never had an oil-rich state of 80 million people behind him. By the time Bin Laden was killed nobody cared enough about him to do much. I have no love for this Iranian terrorist but I don't trust that Trump is concerned about anyone but himself and his reelection. Maybe Trump's gamble will pay off but, like his 'easy to win' trade wars I await the results.

What makes you think there are 80 million behind him? Also, oil doesn't do you any good if you cannot sell it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In an election year I doubt if many in Congress will support war

I don't think many in the Iranian regime want war either, after they saw how efficiently and quickly Soleimani got clipped.

And that's why we won't have a war.

Soleimani is in paradise with 40 virgins. I bet the line to follow him is out the door.

What happened to the other 32?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Pardon me for not being able to read Trump's mind as to what his Middle East strategy is to permanently end the fighting, killing and hate. I gave up trying to read Trump's mind when he announced three years ago that he had come up with the best health plan on the planet.

The goal and the strategy with respect to Iran has been laid out clearly many times, so if you had any real interest in the issue other than a pretext for attacking the President, you wouldn't have to post nonsense about reading minds.

I would be delighted if you would enlighten me. So far, what I see is, that if we invade their country, and kill enough of them, then they will become docile, and friendly toward us.

Clearly you see nothing. The goal, which appears to be beyond you abilities, is to continue the maximum pressure campaign to force Iran to give up its nuclear weapons ambitions and to force it to give up its imperialist adventures and to attempt to preserve Iraq's sovereignty in order to contain Iran. If all else fails, it may be necessary to destroy Iran's ability to produce nukes but Iran will have such a limited ability to retaliate there will be no war.

Sounds like N. Korea, part 2. That has also worked well. I have an idea. Why tell them that if they are not nice, why don't rolling thunder part 2? That accomplished a lot. Namely it created ISIS, and destabilized the entire region.

Actually, it was Obama who created the Islamic State.

If you'll remember, President Bush had al-Baghdadi securely confined as Guantanamo Bay. Obama got in and started releasing terrorists, including the future caliph himself.

ISIS leader al-Baghdadi was NEVER held in Guantanamo and was not released by Obama.. You are simply wrong.

 

[sparky]

The goal, which appears to be beyond you abilities, is to continue the maximum pressure campaign to force Iran to give up its nuclear weapons ambitions and to force it to give up its imperialist adventures

Trump's campaign promise was to end any negotiation ......

US and Iran: Key events since Trump withdrew from nuclear deal

Presidential candidate Donald Trump says Iran should write the United States a thank you letter for “the stupidest deal of all time.” Trump says the United States will withdraw from the deal if he’s elected.

The subsequent escalation was due to Trump's refusal to 'campaign' ,despite the rest of the world wanting to

~S~

 

[toomuchtime_]

The goal, which appears to be beyond you abilities, is to continue the maximum pressure campaign to force Iran to give up its nuclear weapons ambitions and to force it to give up its imperialist adventures

Trump's campaign promise was to end any negotiation ......

US and Iran: Key events since Trump withdrew from nuclear deal

Presidential candidate Donald Trump says Iran should write the United States a thank you letter for “the stupidest deal of all time.” Trump says the United States will withdraw from the deal if he’s elected.

The subsequent escalation was due to Trump's refusal to 'campaign' ,despite the rest of the world wanting to

~S~

Exactly wrong. Trump's campaign promise was to force Iran to renegotiate the nuclear deal and to reestablish the international non proliferation protocols Obama had scuttled.

 

[sparky]

The goal, which appears to be beyond you abilities, is to continue the maximum pressure campaign to force Iran to give up its nuclear weapons ambitions and to force it to give up its imperialist adventures

Trump's campaign promise was to end any negotiation ......

US and Iran: Key events since Trump withdrew from nuclear deal

Presidential candidate Donald Trump says Iran should write the United States a thank you letter for “the stupidest deal of all time.” Trump says the United States will withdraw from the deal if he’s elected.

The subsequent escalation was due to Trump's refusal to 'campaign' ,despite the rest of the world wanting to

~S~

Exactly wrong. Trump's campaign promise was to force Iran to renegotiate the nuclear deal and to reestablish the international non proliferation protocols Obama had scuttled.

Trump does not want to negotiate

Fact is, Trump turned his back on a generation of negotiations

Donald Trump was a fierce critic of the JCPOA, and pledged to ‘tear it up’ if elected. As president, he has attempted to undermine the agreement at every turn

Iran Deal: Hanging by a Thread

Now Trump's ONLY avenue is force

~S~

 

[toomuchtime_]

The goal, which appears to be beyond you abilities, is to continue the maximum pressure campaign to force Iran to give up its nuclear weapons ambitions and to force it to give up its imperialist adventures

Trump's campaign promise was to end any negotiation ......

US and Iran: Key events since Trump withdrew from nuclear deal

Presidential candidate Donald Trump says Iran should write the United States a thank you letter for “the stupidest deal of all time.” Trump says the United States will withdraw from the deal if he’s elected.

The subsequent escalation was due to Trump's refusal to 'campaign' ,despite the rest of the world wanting to

~S~

Exactly wrong. Trump's campaign promise was to force Iran to renegotiate the nuclear deal and to reestablish the international non proliferation protocols Obama had scuttled.

Trump does not want to negotiate

Fact is, Trump turned his back on a generation of negotiations

Donald Trump was a fierce critic of the JCPOA, and pledged to ‘tear it up’ if elected. As president, he has attempted to undermine the agreement at every turn

Iran Deal: Hanging by a Thread

Now Trump's ONLY avenue is force

~S~

lol A generation of negotiation? It only took Obama a few months to surrender to Iran and to scuttle the international non proliferation protocols that had been in place since the 1950's. President Trump has repeatedly said he wants to negotiate with Iran, he just doesn't want to surrender to Iran as Obama did. The only way forward you are able to see is force, but if you were able to see, you would understand

The goal, which appears to be beyond you abilities, is to continue the maximum pressure campaign to force Iran to give up its nuclear weapons ambitions and to force it to give up its imperialist adventures

Trump's campaign promise was to end any negotiation ......

US and Iran: Key events since Trump withdrew from nuclear deal

Presidential candidate Donald Trump says Iran should write the United States a thank you letter for “the stupidest deal of all time.” Trump says the United States will withdraw from the deal if he’s elected.

The subsequent escalation was due to Trump's refusal to 'campaign' ,despite the rest of the world wanting to

~S~

Exactly wrong. Trump's campaign promise was to force Iran to renegotiate the nuclear deal and to reestablish the international non proliferation protocols Obama had scuttled.

Trump does not want to negotiate

Fact is, Trump turned his back on a generation of negotiations

Donald Trump was a fierce critic of the JCPOA, and pledged to ‘tear it up’ if elected. As president, he has attempted to undermine the agreement at every turn

Iran Deal: Hanging by a Thread

Now Trump's ONLY avenue is force

~S~

The fact is you don't know what a fact is. From the start, President Trump's policy has been to use economic pressure, sanctions, to force Iran back to the negotiating table to fix the very bad agreement Obama foolishly made with Iran. Force has only been used in response to Iran's use of force against US personnel and property.

 

[sparky]

President Trump has repeatedly said he wants to negotiate with Iran,

Let's see what the Tweetinator is saying then>>>

Trump tweets after US kills Iranian general: 'He should have been taken out many years ago!'

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Iran never won a war, but never lost a negotiation!

4:44 AM - 3 Jan 2020

right......is there a translator in the house?

~S~

 

[toomuchtime_]

President Trump has repeatedly said he wants to negotiate with Iran,

Let's see what the Tweetinator is saying then>>>

Trump tweets after US kills Iranian general: 'He should have been taken out many years ago!'

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Iran never won a war, but never lost a negotiation!

4:44 AM - 3 Jan 2020

right......is there a translator in the house?

~S~

In your case a psychiatrist is clearly needed.

 

[rightwinger]

There is no Iranian response that will end this cycle; Iran will either have to accept the humiliation and stand down or face increasingly terrible responses from the US

While continuing to experience the effects of criminal economic sanctions which are themselves an act of war.

Instead Obama surrendered to Iran.

nstead Obama surrendered to Iran.

Did Trump or Bibi tell you that?
Obama negotiated with Iran something we should have tried in 1953 instead of overthrowing a duly elected head of state.

Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia

Our British allies were interested in dumping Mosaddegh, I thought we were supposed to honor the wishes of our Eurotrash allies? That's what libs are telling President Trump.

Wasn’t just us...it was the rest of the western world

Iran had moved to the center and destroyed its nuclear program

Donny Dealmaker said he could get us a better deal
Provoking war is a better deal?

Iran never destroyed its nuclear program, it merely halted some parts of it the term of the agreement, after which it was left free by Obama's agreement to produce as many nuclear weapons as it wanted to. In the process of giving Iran this gift, Obama scuttled the non proliferation protocols that had been in effect since the 1950's by allowing Iran to produce its own nuclear fuel.

Wrong
They destroyed the centrifuges used to enrich uranium and its stockpiles of enriched uranium.
That was their nuclear program

Trump has allowed them to not only restart their program but has given them an incentive to accelerate it

They refused to destroy the centrifuges so Obama said, ok, whatever you say, and the shipped some of the uranium to Russia, but the key point they won from Obama was the ability to enrich their own fuel which had been denied to all countries since the 1950's. Their nuclear program consisted of not only enrichment but also of how to make a nuclear weapon that could be delivered on a missile. Since Obama's agreement only allowed inspections on sites Iran had designated nuclear sites, there was no way of knowing far Iran had gotten researching how to make a deliverable nuclear weapon.

Not only did they destroy them but the dismantling was watched by international inspectors

We had inspections until Trump backed out of the deal. Now, Iran is free to do what they wish

You are mistaken. The centrifuges were simply unplugged and inspections were only allowed at sites Iran designated as nuclear sites and then only with advanced notice. To prevent snap inspections, the inspectors were not permitted to set up offices in Iran. Obama caved on every demand Iran made. The starting US position was no enrichment at all, and then Obama said Iran would only be allowed to run a few centrifuges to save face and finally Iran was permitted to run enough centrifuges to supply the needs of its reactors despite the fact the fuel was still being supplied by the Russians. Not only did the agreement allow only limited inspections but it also destroyed the non proliferation policies that had been adhered to since the 1950's but to top it all off, it only required to pause one aspect of its nuclear program for a few years and then set Iran free to produce as many nuclear weapons as it chose to.

What a ridiculous claim

Centrifuges were not “unplugged”.
They were destroyed under the supervision of weapons inspectors

 

[toomuchtime_]

While continuing to experience the effects of criminal economic sanctions which are themselves an act of war.

Instead Obama surrendered to Iran.

nstead Obama surrendered to Iran.

Did Trump or Bibi tell you that?
Obama negotiated with Iran something we should have tried in 1953 instead of overthrowing a duly elected head of state.

Mohammad Mosaddegh - Wikipedia

Our British allies were interested in dumping Mosaddegh, I thought we were supposed to honor the wishes of our Eurotrash allies? That's what libs are telling President Trump.

Iran never destroyed its nuclear program, it merely halted some parts of it the term of the agreement, after which it was left free by Obama's agreement to produce as many nuclear weapons as it wanted to. In the process of giving Iran this gift, Obama scuttled the non proliferation protocols that had been in effect since the 1950's by allowing Iran to produce its own nuclear fuel.

Wrong
They destroyed the centrifuges used to enrich uranium and its stockpiles of enriched uranium.
That was their nuclear program

Trump has allowed them to not only restart their program but has given them an incentive to accelerate it

They refused to destroy the centrifuges so Obama said, ok, whatever you say, and the shipped some of the uranium to Russia, but the key point they won from Obama was the ability to enrich their own fuel which had been denied to all countries since the 1950's. Their nuclear program consisted of not only enrichment but also of how to make a nuclear weapon that could be delivered on a missile. Since Obama's agreement only allowed inspections on sites Iran had designated nuclear sites, there was no way of knowing far Iran had gotten researching how to make a deliverable nuclear weapon.

Not only did they destroy them but the dismantling was watched by international inspectors

We had inspections until Trump backed out of the deal. Now, Iran is free to do what they wish

You are mistaken. The centrifuges were simply unplugged and inspections were only allowed at sites Iran designated as nuclear sites and then only with advanced notice. To prevent snap inspections, the inspectors were not permitted to set up offices in Iran. Obama caved on every demand Iran made. The starting US position was no enrichment at all, and then Obama said Iran would only be allowed to run a few centrifuges to save face and finally Iran was permitted to run enough centrifuges to supply the needs of its reactors despite the fact the fuel was still being supplied by the Russians. Not only did the agreement allow only limited inspections but it also destroyed the non proliferation policies that had been adhered to since the 1950's but to top it all off, it only required to pause one aspect of its nuclear program for a few years and then set Iran free to produce as many nuclear weapons as it chose to.

What a ridiculous claim

Centrifuges were not “unplugged”.
They were destroyed under the supervision of weapons inspectors

Well, try doing a search and you will see there is no evidence that the centrifuges were destroyed or even that the agreement called for them to be destroyed. Your problem is you just can't believe what a terrible deal Obama made, and, indeed, it is an almost unbelievably bad deal.

 

[georgephillip]

THE WORST THING IRAN CAN DO TO PERMANENTLY DESTROY THE US.....IS HELP GET TRUMP ELECTED IN 2020....FOLKS, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!!

LOL

Why is that?

Why is that?

Another Silly Question

Netanyahu’s ‘Iran Lied’ Presentation Shows Why Trump Should Keep the Nuke Deal

That has zero to do with my question. Learn to read.

hat has zero to do with my question. Learn to read.

Your question related to the worst thing Iran could do to the US is help get Trump reelected, right? Reelecting Trump would give Bibi the Bigot a powerful ally with nothing left to lose. Hence, your question was silly and consistent with a Trump-level attention span.

So Bibi is the reason? I am so glad he is in your head.

So Bibi is the reason? I am so glad he is in your head.

Be afraid.

 

[georgephillip]

s 3,500 American troops head for the Middle East, some wonder if Trump and his fellow geniuses thought about all this when they decided to take out the Iranian general. Wouldn't it have been much simpler for Trump to admit he was wrong, reenter negotiations with Iran, restore the JCPOA, and remove the harsh sanctions that caused this mess?

I don't believe Trump has the attention span to engage in strategic thinking. Bush and Obama considered killing Soleimani but decided against it because of the possibility of launching another major war in the Middle East. Trump probably made his decision based on domestic political concerns, and, since he never admits mistakes, finds it impossible to imagine he has ever done anything wrong.

 

[georgephillip]

In an election year I doubt if many in Congress will support war

Perhaps depending on how proportional Iran's reaction to the recent assassination is? I think I just heard a member of the US Senate say Soleimani's killing is equivalent to Iranians murdering the US Secretary of Defense?

Congress will not authorize a war with Iran in an election year
It would be a bloodbath for Republicans

Congress will not authorize a war with Iran in an election year
It would be a bloodbath for Republicans

Maybe not in Texas?
Cruz pushes Senate resolution praising Soleimani mission, daring Dems to oppose

"You don’t deliberately kill someone like Soleimani unless you’re at war with his country, and even then, you want to think long and hard before you do, given the near-certainty of blowback.

"The blowback may soon be coming.

"Friday morning, Khamenei called for three days of national mourning and a 'forceful revenge.'

"It would be shocking if he didn’t follow through.

"To convey a sense of Soleimani’s significance, it would be as if, during the Iraq war, the ayatollah had ordered the assassination of Gen. David Petraeus, Gen. Jim Mattis, the head of Special Operations Command, and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.*

"Soleimani’s responsibilities corresponded with all four of these roles.

"Even then, the analogy falls short because, among Shi’ite Muslims across the region, Soleimani also exuded the charisma of a religious icon, a holy warrior."

The United States Is Now at War With Iran

Never Underestimate Trump.

 

[irosie91]

have a nice glass of warm milk and then take a nap, Georgie. -----Iran cannot
afford to go to war

 

[georgephillip]

Not only did the agreement allow only limited inspections but it also destroyed the non proliferation policies that had been adhered to since the 1950's but to top it all off, it only required to pause one aspect of its nuclear program for a few years and then set Iran free to produce as many nuclear weapons as it chose to.

How does Iran's alleged destruction of non proliferation policies pose any bigger threat to the Middle East than Israel's proven non proliferation transgressions?