There is this cliché about German wine that it is all bad and worthless

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Rieslings are one of my favorite whites and several brands are available here, some made in this state.

Liebfraumilch was another favorite, but years ago it stopped being available here. Last Fall while visiting a son and family in Lincoln, Nebraska I found some at a shop there and bought a couple bottles to bring home. Forgot about new regs on what can be in carry-on and bottles of wine are verboten. I had to check my bag and the cost was more than the wine.

I'm saving it for "special occasion"s.

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I liked Liebfraumilch when I was younger -- early 20's -- but I stopped being a wine drinker about 40 years ago.


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[Zebra]

Rieslings are one of my favorite whites and several brands are available here, some made in this state.

Liebfraumilch was another favorite, but years ago it stopped being available here. Last Fall while visiting a son and family in Lincoln, Nebraska I found some at a shop there and bought a couple bottles to bring home. Forgot about new regs on what can be in carry-on and bottles of wine are verboten. I had to check my bag and the cost was more than the wine.

I'm saving it for "special occasion"s.

a pity about the verboten wine!

 

[JohnDB]

Rieslings are one of my favorite whites and several brands are available here, some made in this state.

Liebfraumilch was another favorite, but years ago it stopped being available here. Last Fall while visiting a son and family in Lincoln, Nebraska I found some at a shop there and bought a couple bottles to bring home. Forgot about new regs on what can be in carry-on and bottles of wine are verboten. I had to check my bag and the cost was more than the wine.

I'm saving it for "special occasion"s.

One of my favorites, a white grenache, was very popular decades ago....but now the wine has gone out of favor and been largely lost. The vintners pull up the vines or cut off the root stock still in the ground and graft in a different variety.

A white Grenache is better than a White Zinfandel. More flavors but off dry to sweet like a White Zinfandel. It's great for sipping alone or with the customary spicy foods associated with the BBQ grill. White Zinfandel goes with hot dogs....that's about it. Zinfandel flavors are in the skins where Grenache has flavor in the skins they have it more in the juice.

But alas....just about gone.

 

[Stryder50]

a pity about the verboten wine!

Actually the verboten is any container of fluids with more than a few (@6-8 ?, maybe less) ounces.
It was the container and fluid ounce content more than the substance content.

 

[Stryder50]

One of my favorites, a white grenache, was very popular decades ago....but now the wine has gone out of favor and been largely lost. The vintners pull up the vines or cut off the root stock still in the ground and graft in a different variety.

A white Grenache is better than a White Zinfandel. More flavors but off dry to sweet like a White Zinfandel. It's great for sipping alone or with the customary spicy foods associated with the BBQ grill. White Zinfandel goes with hot dogs....that's about it. Zinfandel flavors are in the skins where Grenache has flavor in the skins they have it more in the juice.

But alas....just about gone.

I don't recall ever having a Grenache, but will make note to keep eyes pealed for such.
WA tends to be a very Wine-y State (in more ways than one ).

 

[Rigby5]

There is this cliché about German wine that it is all bad and worthless.
And that a real "connaisseur" would never touch it.

Well, I do not share this opinion.
But I wonder, where it comes from.

I have some ideas on this cliché.

Tell you later.

What is your opinion about this cliché?

I like sweet wine, so there are many German wines I like better than French or Italian wines.
Like a Reisling, Gewurztraminer, etc.
The Italians and French have always been snobs since they were the last of the Roman Empire, and the Roman were sophisticated, even though they were evil.

 

[Rigby5]

Sadly, the future hangs in the balance with the annihilation of the Ukraine's people being the pawns in the big game.

To me, the only real Ukrainians are ethnic Russian.
The descendants of the failed Old Polish Empire invasion of the Ukraine in 1700, are not really native and are notoriously racist.
Hunter Biden did not deliver bribes to the population, but just to the ethnic Polish generals in Kyiv, which happens to be mostly Polish since it is so close to Poland.
It was the evil Treaty of Versailles that took the Ukraine from Russia, in order to punish the Bolshevik rebellion. And personally, I think the Bolshevik rebellion from the evil Tzar was great.

 

[Rigby5]

did he wear a helm. = helmet ,,,?

Germans often get last names from their profession.
The person steering a ship is called the helm.

 

[Grau]

Wine rhymes with Rhine
in English and in German: Wein reimt sich auf Rhein.

Thanks for enlightening those with clay pallets as to the joys of German wine, in general.

I lived, worked and studied in the Black Forest city, Freiburg I. Br which is known for its Badische wine.

My friends and I would ride bicycles along the Rhine River on a road named Weinstrasse (wine Street).
About every 5 - 10 km there would be a wine stand run by the local vineyard.

Since we had to stop at each wine stand on our way into France, the ride to dinner at a small French restaurant took a little bit longer.

After a long and delicious French dinner, we would roll out the sleeping bags in a nearby field overlooking the Rhine River and go to sleep immediately.

When I moved back to the US, I attempted to bring back 21 bottles of the local wine but ended up sharing all but 3 bottles with others while waiting in various airports along the way.

After all, good wine tastes best when shared

Thanks for the thread.

 

[toobfreak]

Red wines from any country just taste like cheap cough syrup,

You've obviously just not yet had a good red wine.

 

[toobfreak]

There is this cliché about German wine that it is all bad and worthless.

I love a good Liebfraumilch.

 

[Zebra]

Thanks for enlightening those with clay pallets as to the joys of German wine, in general.

I lived, worked and studied in the Black Forest city, Freiburg I. Br which is known for its Badische wine.

My friends and I would ride bicycles along the Rhine River on a road named Weinstrasse (wine Street).
About every 5 - 10 km there would be a wine stand run by the local vineyard.

Since we had to stop at each wine stand on our way into France, the ride to dinner at a small French restaurant took a little bit longer.

After a long and delicious French dinner, we would roll out the sleeping bags in a nearby field overlooking the Rhine River and go to sleep immediately.

When I moved back to the US, I attempted to bring back 21 bottles of the local wine but ended up sharing all but 3 bottles with others while waiting in various airports along the way.

After all, good wine tastes best when shared

Thanks for the thread.

you are welcome!

And thank you for telling us about your time in and around Freiburg im Breisgau.

 

[Zebra]

I like sweet wine, so there are many German wines I like better than French or Italian wines.
Like a Reisling, Gewurztraminer, etc.
The Italians and French have always been snobs since they were the last of the Roman Empire, and the Roman were sophisticated, even though they were evil.

the Gewürztraminer is also one of my favourite wines.

 

[Zebra]

People just want to boast with their knowledge of French wine

 

[toobfreak]

People just want to boast with their knowledge of French wine

Truth is that I've had wine from all over the world: German, French, Spanish, Californian, even from South America--- it is ALL good. The quality of the wine is less about the country and more about the location and the skill of the grower. Many places have at least a few locations with a suitable climate and soil and the varietal of the grape adapts itself to that location.

From that, the grower decides which wine that grape best suites, maybe red wine, a white wine, rose, sangrero, port, Chablis, pinot noir, Cabernet, what have you.

If the grower starts with a good grape in a good location and matches it to the best type of wine it is suited for, then all that is left is his skill in harvesting, processing, fermenting, aging and storing that wine--- he will get a good product with only variation from year to year based on that season's weather.

 

[Zebra]

The clichee in the thread title is from German snobs.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The clichee in the thread title is from German snobs.

If I buy a white wine, normally a Marlborough from New Zealand, like The Ned.

Red wine, normally Turner Road.