There Is No Separation Of Church And State

[PoliticalChic]

"...you choose to leave out other religions besides Christianity, which church?"

Can you please post that in English???

You insist on not answering my question: which denomination? Back in colonial times, the different sects of Christians squabbled with each other constantly, with occasional violence. This apparently continues in the present day.

My contention is that the religion of the founders was the Judeo-Christian faith.

There really is no such thing as "the Judeo-Christian faith." They are two different faiths.

You're not ready to deny that Christ is referenced in the Constitution...are you?

Christ is not referenced in the U.S. Constitution.

What is this thing about "government schools"? Is this something from your cult?

"What is this thing about "government schools"? Is this something from your cult?"

The 'thing' is that government schools don't educate, they indoctrinate....

....so, you're a government school grad????

My cult?
You mean American patriots?


Do you still refer to yourself as a 'bolshevik'???

You are so stupid that you do not even know the difference between the Jewish faith and the Christian faith, and the differences between the various denominations within the Christian faith.

Your assertion that only you and your cronies are "American patriots" is laughable, as are your crackpot theories. If you actually went to school, it apparently was an indoctrination center. You are delusional.

You have a lot of learning to do.

I believe readers will note that you have been thoroughly spanked and put in your place.

I believe readers will note that you have been thoroughly spanked and put in your place

By the likes of you? Hardly.

Enjoy your spanking fetish, but please leave me out of it. If I am to be spanked, I demand the right to choose my spanker. You're not on my list of favorites. Sorry.

But you've already been 'left out'.....of an education.

 

[PoliticalChic]

…contrary to what you learned in government school, it is a fabrication designed to advance the Marxist view of religion. Such is what our schools have become.




1.Remember the aphorism “Fool me once, shame on you…fool me twice, shame on me.”
Clearly, an earlier generation knew not to trust liars after they are caught once. The huge number who still vote Democrat indicates that that understanding is no longer the case…..they keep playing Charlie Brown missing Lucy’s football.



2. The Democrats/Secularists behave as though America was founded on keeping religion out of government, out of the public arena and out of civil discourse.
The very opposite is true.
And, by ‘religion,’ I mean the guidance of the Judeo-Christian faith, that of our Founders.

If no errors can be found in this thread, then consider it proven that the Left/Democrats/Progressives have lied about said separation, and those who still vote for this iniquitous bunch simply what Aquinas called 'ignorantia affectata - a cultivated ignorance'.




3. “The Department of Justice is “ready to fight for the most cherished of all our American liberties: the freedom to live according to our faith.” - Attorney General William Barr
These words send the Left into a fit!
"… one can only assume that if our founding fathers were here today, the mainstream media and far-left activists would strongly condemn their words as well, which raises the question: Do they rightly understand the First Amendment and the oft-cited “separation of church and state?” (Incidentally, these words appear nowhere in our Constitution or founding documents.)




4. The First Amendment was never intended to stamp out religious expression…it was designed to protect it. Statements by political leaders that acknowledge God, or champion religious freedom, do not constitute an “establishment” of a national religion, nor did similar statements from our founding fathers. The ongoing attempt to distort the First Amendment and use it as a sword against people of faith is abhorrent and must be condemned.

5. …this campaign against Christianity that has been waged on our nation. The Ten Commandments once graced the halls of many public buildings; now they are targeted for removal. Public prayer was once expected and appreciated; now it is mocked and frequently banned from public events, with perhaps a few exceptions for hollow words offered up to a nameless “higher power” of our own creation. The Bible was once taught in public schools and esteemed in the public square; now our societal devotion to Scripture has been replaced by the gods of sexuality, self-fulfillment, and salvation through socialism.” Do Religion and Morality Still Belong in Our Society?



What is the basis of this sea change in America?

The explanation is the injection of neo-Marxism into the society by Joseph Stalin’s pal, our 32nd President.

Fortunately, younger generations are rejecting religion altogether, but thanks for the post.

While true, it is hardly 'fortunate.'


Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


If you had an education, ever read a book, or didn't suffer the indignity of government schooling, you'd recognize which set was successful.

 

[skews13]

…contrary to what you learned in government school, it is a fabrication designed to advance the Marxist view of religion. Such is what our schools have become.




1.Remember the aphorism “Fool me once, shame on you…fool me twice, shame on me.”
Clearly, an earlier generation knew not to trust liars after they are caught once. The huge number who still vote Democrat indicates that that understanding is no longer the case…..they keep playing Charlie Brown missing Lucy’s football.



2. The Democrats/Secularists behave as though America was founded on keeping religion out of government, out of the public arena and out of civil discourse.
The very opposite is true.
And, by ‘religion,’ I mean the guidance of the Judeo-Christian faith, that of our Founders.

If no errors can be found in this thread, then consider it proven that the Left/Democrats/Progressives have lied about said separation, and those who still vote for this iniquitous bunch simply what Aquinas called 'ignorantia affectata - a cultivated ignorance'.




3. “The Department of Justice is “ready to fight for the most cherished of all our American liberties: the freedom to live according to our faith.” - Attorney General William Barr
These words send the Left into a fit!
"… one can only assume that if our founding fathers were here today, the mainstream media and far-left activists would strongly condemn their words as well, which raises the question: Do they rightly understand the First Amendment and the oft-cited “separation of church and state?” (Incidentally, these words appear nowhere in our Constitution or founding documents.)




4. The First Amendment was never intended to stamp out religious expression…it was designed to protect it. Statements by political leaders that acknowledge God, or champion religious freedom, do not constitute an “establishment” of a national religion, nor did similar statements from our founding fathers. The ongoing attempt to distort the First Amendment and use it as a sword against people of faith is abhorrent and must be condemned.

5. …this campaign against Christianity that has been waged on our nation. The Ten Commandments once graced the halls of many public buildings; now they are targeted for removal. Public prayer was once expected and appreciated; now it is mocked and frequently banned from public events, with perhaps a few exceptions for hollow words offered up to a nameless “higher power” of our own creation. The Bible was once taught in public schools and esteemed in the public square; now our societal devotion to Scripture has been replaced by the gods of sexuality, self-fulfillment, and salvation through socialism.” Do Religion and Morality Still Belong in Our Society?



What is the basis of this sea change in America?

The explanation is the injection of neo-Marxism into the society by Joseph Stalin’s pal, our 32nd President.

Fortunately, younger generations are rejecting religion altogether, but thanks for the post.

While true, it is hardly 'fortunate.'


Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


If you had an education, ever read a book, or didn't suffer the indignity of government schooling, you'd recognize which set was successful.

I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. If you had anything that resembled an education, you would know that Socialism is an economic system, not a political one. You would also know that an economic system is not based upon Theocracy, which is based upon autocratic, and plutocratic duopoly.

Obviously based upon the fact you are a brainwashed religious cult follower, you are limited to the scope of both language, and meaning of that language, and as all cultists are, repeaters of the masters narrative.

America is a country based upon the rule of law, guided by secular human rights, documented in a ratified Constitution. Being a representative democracy, the people choose by means of voting for their elected representatives, that our Constitution states in which no religious test can be administered to holding public office or trust.

The no religious test clause is also clear stated in the First Amendment.

I would suggest reading the material on the test acts of the 17th and 18th centuries, who's main purpose was to exclude anyone not a member of the Church of England, from holding government office.

Test Act - Wikipedia

I would also direct you to Jefferson's Virginia Statute Of Religious Freedom, which outlines both freedom of conscience, and separation of church and state.

Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom

 

[PoliticalChic]

…contrary to what you learned in government school, it is a fabrication designed to advance the Marxist view of religion. Such is what our schools have become.




1.Remember the aphorism “Fool me once, shame on you…fool me twice, shame on me.”
Clearly, an earlier generation knew not to trust liars after they are caught once. The huge number who still vote Democrat indicates that that understanding is no longer the case…..they keep playing Charlie Brown missing Lucy’s football.



2. The Democrats/Secularists behave as though America was founded on keeping religion out of government, out of the public arena and out of civil discourse.
The very opposite is true.
And, by ‘religion,’ I mean the guidance of the Judeo-Christian faith, that of our Founders.

If no errors can be found in this thread, then consider it proven that the Left/Democrats/Progressives have lied about said separation, and those who still vote for this iniquitous bunch simply what Aquinas called 'ignorantia affectata - a cultivated ignorance'.




3. “The Department of Justice is “ready to fight for the most cherished of all our American liberties: the freedom to live according to our faith.” - Attorney General William Barr
These words send the Left into a fit!
"… one can only assume that if our founding fathers were here today, the mainstream media and far-left activists would strongly condemn their words as well, which raises the question: Do they rightly understand the First Amendment and the oft-cited “separation of church and state?” (Incidentally, these words appear nowhere in our Constitution or founding documents.)




4. The First Amendment was never intended to stamp out religious expression…it was designed to protect it. Statements by political leaders that acknowledge God, or champion religious freedom, do not constitute an “establishment” of a national religion, nor did similar statements from our founding fathers. The ongoing attempt to distort the First Amendment and use it as a sword against people of faith is abhorrent and must be condemned.

5. …this campaign against Christianity that has been waged on our nation. The Ten Commandments once graced the halls of many public buildings; now they are targeted for removal. Public prayer was once expected and appreciated; now it is mocked and frequently banned from public events, with perhaps a few exceptions for hollow words offered up to a nameless “higher power” of our own creation. The Bible was once taught in public schools and esteemed in the public square; now our societal devotion to Scripture has been replaced by the gods of sexuality, self-fulfillment, and salvation through socialism.” Do Religion and Morality Still Belong in Our Society?



What is the basis of this sea change in America?

The explanation is the injection of neo-Marxism into the society by Joseph Stalin’s pal, our 32nd President.

Fortunately, younger generations are rejecting religion altogether, but thanks for the post.

While true, it is hardly 'fortunate.'


Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


If you had an education, ever read a book, or didn't suffer the indignity of government schooling, you'd recognize which set was successful.

I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. If you had anything that resembled an education, you would know that Socialism is an economic system, not a political one. You would also know that an economic system is not based upon Theocracy, which is based upon autocratic, and plutocratic duopoly.

Obviously based upon the fact you are a brainwashed religious cult follower, you are limited to the scope of both language, and meaning of that language, and as all cultists are, repeaters of the masters narrative.

America is a country based upon the rule of law, guided by secular human rights, documented in a ratified Constitution. Being a representative democracy, the people choose by means of voting for their elected representatives, that our Constitution states in which no religious test can be administered to holding public office or trust.

The no religious test clause is also clear stated in the First Amendment.

I would suggest reading the material on the test acts of the 17th and 18th centuries, who's main purpose was to exclude anyone not a member of the Church of England, from holding government office.

Test Act - Wikipedia

I would also direct you to Jefferson's Virginia Statute Of Religious Freedom, which outlines both freedom of conscience, and separation of church and state.

Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom

"I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. "

Sooo.....you're an Ivy League grad, too?
Which one?
Mine has the best fight song in the nation.

Could you provide the three or four books that have informed your geopolitical views?





You forgot to answer this query...

Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


Which system has proven more successful.

 

[anynameyouwish]

…contrary to what you learned in government school, it is a fabrication designed to advance the Marxist view of religion. Such is what our schools have become.




1.Remember the aphorism “Fool me once, shame on you…fool me twice, shame on me.”
Clearly, an earlier generation knew not to trust liars after they are caught once. The huge number who still vote Democrat indicates that that understanding is no longer the case…..they keep playing Charlie Brown missing Lucy’s football.



2. The Democrats/Secularists behave as though America was founded on keeping religion out of government, out of the public arena and out of civil discourse.
The very opposite is true.
And, by ‘religion,’ I mean the guidance of the Judeo-Christian faith, that of our Founders.

If no errors can be found in this thread, then consider it proven that the Left/Democrats/Progressives have lied about said separation, and those who still vote for this iniquitous bunch simply what Aquinas called 'ignorantia affectata - a cultivated ignorance'.




3. “The Department of Justice is “ready to fight for the most cherished of all our American liberties: the freedom to live according to our faith.” - Attorney General William Barr
These words send the Left into a fit!
"… one can only assume that if our founding fathers were here today, the mainstream media and far-left activists would strongly condemn their words as well, which raises the question: Do they rightly understand the First Amendment and the oft-cited “separation of church and state?” (Incidentally, these words appear nowhere in our Constitution or founding documents.)




4. The First Amendment was never intended to stamp out religious expression…it was designed to protect it. Statements by political leaders that acknowledge God, or champion religious freedom, do not constitute an “establishment” of a national religion, nor did similar statements from our founding fathers. The ongoing attempt to distort the First Amendment and use it as a sword against people of faith is abhorrent and must be condemned.

5. …this campaign against Christianity that has been waged on our nation. The Ten Commandments once graced the halls of many public buildings; now they are targeted for removal. Public prayer was once expected and appreciated; now it is mocked and frequently banned from public events, with perhaps a few exceptions for hollow words offered up to a nameless “higher power” of our own creation. The Bible was once taught in public schools and esteemed in the public square; now our societal devotion to Scripture has been replaced by the gods of sexuality, self-fulfillment, and salvation through socialism.” Do Religion and Morality Still Belong in Our Society?



What is the basis of this sea change in America?

The explanation is the injection of neo-Marxism into the society by Joseph Stalin’s pal, our 32nd President.

Fortunately, younger generations are rejecting religion altogether, but thanks for the post.

While true, it is hardly 'fortunate.'


Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


If you had an education, ever read a book, or didn't suffer the indignity of government schooling, you'd recognize which set was successful.

I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. If you had anything that resembled an education, you would know that Socialism is an economic system, not a political one. You would also know that an economic system is not based upon Theocracy, which is based upon autocratic, and plutocratic duopoly.

Obviously based upon the fact you are a brainwashed religious cult follower, you are limited to the scope of both language, and meaning of that language, and as all cultists are, repeaters of the masters narrative.

America is a country based upon the rule of law, guided by secular human rights, documented in a ratified Constitution. Being a representative democracy, the people choose by means of voting for their elected representatives, that our Constitution states in which no religious test can be administered to holding public office or trust.

The no religious test clause is also clear stated in the First Amendment.

I would suggest reading the material on the test acts of the 17th and 18th centuries, who's main purpose was to exclude anyone not a member of the Church of England, from holding government office.

Test Act - Wikipedia

I would also direct you to Jefferson's Virginia Statute Of Religious Freedom, which outlines both freedom of conscience, and separation of church and state.

Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom

"I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. "

Sooo.....you're an Ivy League grad, too?
Which one?
Mine has the best fight song in the nation.

Could you provide the three or four books that have informed your geopolitical views?





You forgot to answer this query...

Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


Which system has proven more successful.

"Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism."

Nice misrepresentation of reality!

nice spin!

Capitalism and religion are 2 different things.

They are NOT intertwined.

You can have one without the other

US capitalism has nothing to do with RELIGION.

And you can be an atheist AND a conservative

Conservative Atheists Find a Place on the Right - Beliefs - The ...
Breaking News, World News & Multimedia › 2011/02/19
Feb 18, 2011 - A small group of bloggers argues that conservative values like small government, self-reliance and liberty can be defended without recourse to ...


"Which system has proven more successful."

Define SUCCESS

China is a rotten socialist commy country and;
1. a rising global financial power rivalling the US
2. a rising military power threatening the US and the region
3. the standard/quality of life of most chinese is as good as the US.
4. there is MUCH less crime in china


is THAT success?

Finland and norway and denmark are all in the top 10 HAPPIEST nations in the world; strong economy, social programs, capitalism, the same freedoms that we have, and more!

is THAT success?

the US has the strongest economy,(and dropping) the strongest military (just barely) and is 20th or 40th on the HAPPIEST NATION list, we have more people in prison than any other first world nation, and 1/2 the country wants to kill the other 1/2.....is THAT success?

 

[skews13]

…contrary to what you learned in government school, it is a fabrication designed to advance the Marxist view of religion. Such is what our schools have become.




1.Remember the aphorism “Fool me once, shame on you…fool me twice, shame on me.”
Clearly, an earlier generation knew not to trust liars after they are caught once. The huge number who still vote Democrat indicates that that understanding is no longer the case…..they keep playing Charlie Brown missing Lucy’s football.



2. The Democrats/Secularists behave as though America was founded on keeping religion out of government, out of the public arena and out of civil discourse.
The very opposite is true.
And, by ‘religion,’ I mean the guidance of the Judeo-Christian faith, that of our Founders.

If no errors can be found in this thread, then consider it proven that the Left/Democrats/Progressives have lied about said separation, and those who still vote for this iniquitous bunch simply what Aquinas called 'ignorantia affectata - a cultivated ignorance'.




3. “The Department of Justice is “ready to fight for the most cherished of all our American liberties: the freedom to live according to our faith.” - Attorney General William Barr
These words send the Left into a fit!
"… one can only assume that if our founding fathers were here today, the mainstream media and far-left activists would strongly condemn their words as well, which raises the question: Do they rightly understand the First Amendment and the oft-cited “separation of church and state?” (Incidentally, these words appear nowhere in our Constitution or founding documents.)




4. The First Amendment was never intended to stamp out religious expression…it was designed to protect it. Statements by political leaders that acknowledge God, or champion religious freedom, do not constitute an “establishment” of a national religion, nor did similar statements from our founding fathers. The ongoing attempt to distort the First Amendment and use it as a sword against people of faith is abhorrent and must be condemned.

5. …this campaign against Christianity that has been waged on our nation. The Ten Commandments once graced the halls of many public buildings; now they are targeted for removal. Public prayer was once expected and appreciated; now it is mocked and frequently banned from public events, with perhaps a few exceptions for hollow words offered up to a nameless “higher power” of our own creation. The Bible was once taught in public schools and esteemed in the public square; now our societal devotion to Scripture has been replaced by the gods of sexuality, self-fulfillment, and salvation through socialism.” Do Religion and Morality Still Belong in Our Society?



What is the basis of this sea change in America?

The explanation is the injection of neo-Marxism into the society by Joseph Stalin’s pal, our 32nd President.

Fortunately, younger generations are rejecting religion altogether, but thanks for the post.

While true, it is hardly 'fortunate.'


Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


If you had an education, ever read a book, or didn't suffer the indignity of government schooling, you'd recognize which set was successful.

I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. If you had anything that resembled an education, you would know that Socialism is an economic system, not a political one. You would also know that an economic system is not based upon Theocracy, which is based upon autocratic, and plutocratic duopoly.

Obviously based upon the fact you are a brainwashed religious cult follower, you are limited to the scope of both language, and meaning of that language, and as all cultists are, repeaters of the masters narrative.

America is a country based upon the rule of law, guided by secular human rights, documented in a ratified Constitution. Being a representative democracy, the people choose by means of voting for their elected representatives, that our Constitution states in which no religious test can be administered to holding public office or trust.

The no religious test clause is also clear stated in the First Amendment.

I would suggest reading the material on the test acts of the 17th and 18th centuries, who's main purpose was to exclude anyone not a member of the Church of England, from holding government office.

Test Act - Wikipedia

I would also direct you to Jefferson's Virginia Statute Of Religious Freedom, which outlines both freedom of conscience, and separation of church and state.

Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom

"I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. "

Sooo.....you're an Ivy League grad, too?
Which one?
Mine has the best fight song in the nation.

Could you provide the three or four books that have informed your geopolitical views?





You forgot to answer this query...

Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


Which system has proven more successful.

Nations don't have societies based upon anything. Nations are either ruled by dictate, enforced by militarism, or by rule of the people.

America has been around for 232 years. China has been around for 5000.

Who's more successful?

And since China has been around for 5000 years, that blows a hole in any history concerning Christianity. But then again Egypt was a functioning society 2700 years ago.

Religious dogma was practiced long before Christianity, and free markets existed within all of those societies in one form or another.

All of your posts are very easily revealed to be pro Calvinist, Dominionist, dogma of 1930-60 time frame. With a hint of pro nuclear family dogma post world war 2. It's boring, and repugnant at the same time. It's a dying cult, not even popular with most of the Boomer generation anymore, much less Gen x, ans Millennials and Generation Z want nothing to do with it.

The simple fact is, most industrialized nations in the world allow the free exercise of religion, and are all a mixture of Socialist-Capitalist economic systems, including the US.

 

[PoliticalChic]

…contrary to what you learned in government school, it is a fabrication designed to advance the Marxist view of religion. Such is what our schools have become.




1.Remember the aphorism “Fool me once, shame on you…fool me twice, shame on me.”
Clearly, an earlier generation knew not to trust liars after they are caught once. The huge number who still vote Democrat indicates that that understanding is no longer the case…..they keep playing Charlie Brown missing Lucy’s football.



2. The Democrats/Secularists behave as though America was founded on keeping religion out of government, out of the public arena and out of civil discourse.
The very opposite is true.
And, by ‘religion,’ I mean the guidance of the Judeo-Christian faith, that of our Founders.

If no errors can be found in this thread, then consider it proven that the Left/Democrats/Progressives have lied about said separation, and those who still vote for this iniquitous bunch simply what Aquinas called 'ignorantia affectata - a cultivated ignorance'.




3. “The Department of Justice is “ready to fight for the most cherished of all our American liberties: the freedom to live according to our faith.” - Attorney General William Barr
These words send the Left into a fit!
"… one can only assume that if our founding fathers were here today, the mainstream media and far-left activists would strongly condemn their words as well, which raises the question: Do they rightly understand the First Amendment and the oft-cited “separation of church and state?” (Incidentally, these words appear nowhere in our Constitution or founding documents.)




4. The First Amendment was never intended to stamp out religious expression…it was designed to protect it. Statements by political leaders that acknowledge God, or champion religious freedom, do not constitute an “establishment” of a national religion, nor did similar statements from our founding fathers. The ongoing attempt to distort the First Amendment and use it as a sword against people of faith is abhorrent and must be condemned.

5. …this campaign against Christianity that has been waged on our nation. The Ten Commandments once graced the halls of many public buildings; now they are targeted for removal. Public prayer was once expected and appreciated; now it is mocked and frequently banned from public events, with perhaps a few exceptions for hollow words offered up to a nameless “higher power” of our own creation. The Bible was once taught in public schools and esteemed in the public square; now our societal devotion to Scripture has been replaced by the gods of sexuality, self-fulfillment, and salvation through socialism.” Do Religion and Morality Still Belong in Our Society?



What is the basis of this sea change in America?

The explanation is the injection of neo-Marxism into the society by Joseph Stalin’s pal, our 32nd President.

Fortunately, younger generations are rejecting religion altogether, but thanks for the post.

While true, it is hardly 'fortunate.'


Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


If you had an education, ever read a book, or didn't suffer the indignity of government schooling, you'd recognize which set was successful.

I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. If you had anything that resembled an education, you would know that Socialism is an economic system, not a political one. You would also know that an economic system is not based upon Theocracy, which is based upon autocratic, and plutocratic duopoly.

Obviously based upon the fact you are a brainwashed religious cult follower, you are limited to the scope of both language, and meaning of that language, and as all cultists are, repeaters of the masters narrative.

America is a country based upon the rule of law, guided by secular human rights, documented in a ratified Constitution. Being a representative democracy, the people choose by means of voting for their elected representatives, that our Constitution states in which no religious test can be administered to holding public office or trust.

The no religious test clause is also clear stated in the First Amendment.

I would suggest reading the material on the test acts of the 17th and 18th centuries, who's main purpose was to exclude anyone not a member of the Church of England, from holding government office.

Test Act - Wikipedia

I would also direct you to Jefferson's Virginia Statute Of Religious Freedom, which outlines both freedom of conscience, and separation of church and state.

Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom

"I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. "

Sooo.....you're an Ivy League grad, too?
Which one?
Mine has the best fight song in the nation.

Could you provide the three or four books that have informed your geopolitical views?





You forgot to answer this query...

Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


Which system has proven more successful.

"Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism."

Nice misrepresentation of reality!

nice spin!

Capitalism and religion are 2 different things.

They are NOT intertwined.

You can have one without the other

US capitalism has nothing to do with RELIGION.

And you can be an atheist AND a conservative

Conservative Atheists Find a Place on the Right - Beliefs - The ...
Breaking News, World News & Multimedia › 2011/02/19
Feb 18, 2011 - A small group of bloggers argues that conservative values like small government, self-reliance and liberty can be defended without recourse to ...


"Which system has proven more successful."

Define SUCCESS

China is a rotten socialist commy country and;
1. a rising global financial power rivalling the US
2. a rising military power threatening the US and the region
3. the standard/quality of life of most chinese is as good as the US.
4. there is MUCH less crime in china


is THAT success?

Finland and norway and denmark are all in the top 10 HAPPIEST nations in the world; strong economy, social programs, capitalism, the same freedoms that we have, and more!

is THAT success?

the US has the strongest economy,(and dropping) the strongest military (just barely) and is 20th or 40th on the HAPPIEST NATION list, we have more people in prison than any other first world nation, and 1/2 the country wants to kill the other 1/2.....is THAT success?

"Capitalism and religion are 2 different things.

They are NOT intertwined."


I really don't expect you to comprehend this....but, actually, they are.



"Only capitalism regards man as a sovereign individual with an inalienable right to his own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Government recognition and protection of individual rights is the hallmark of a moral, peaceful, productive society."
Sipsey Street Irregulars: The lie before the crime. "Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz" ("The community comes before the individual")

Sounds a lot like Genesis 1:27
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

And, of course, the Judeo-Christian faith is based on free will.



Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, Progressivism, Fascism or Nazism, all of which are collectivist and based on coercion and force.

 

[PoliticalChic]

…contrary to what you learned in government school, it is a fabrication designed to advance the Marxist view of religion. Such is what our schools have become.




1.Remember the aphorism “Fool me once, shame on you…fool me twice, shame on me.”
Clearly, an earlier generation knew not to trust liars after they are caught once. The huge number who still vote Democrat indicates that that understanding is no longer the case…..they keep playing Charlie Brown missing Lucy’s football.



2. The Democrats/Secularists behave as though America was founded on keeping religion out of government, out of the public arena and out of civil discourse.
The very opposite is true.
And, by ‘religion,’ I mean the guidance of the Judeo-Christian faith, that of our Founders.

If no errors can be found in this thread, then consider it proven that the Left/Democrats/Progressives have lied about said separation, and those who still vote for this iniquitous bunch simply what Aquinas called 'ignorantia affectata - a cultivated ignorance'.




3. “The Department of Justice is “ready to fight for the most cherished of all our American liberties: the freedom to live according to our faith.” - Attorney General William Barr
These words send the Left into a fit!
"… one can only assume that if our founding fathers were here today, the mainstream media and far-left activists would strongly condemn their words as well, which raises the question: Do they rightly understand the First Amendment and the oft-cited “separation of church and state?” (Incidentally, these words appear nowhere in our Constitution or founding documents.)




4. The First Amendment was never intended to stamp out religious expression…it was designed to protect it. Statements by political leaders that acknowledge God, or champion religious freedom, do not constitute an “establishment” of a national religion, nor did similar statements from our founding fathers. The ongoing attempt to distort the First Amendment and use it as a sword against people of faith is abhorrent and must be condemned.

5. …this campaign against Christianity that has been waged on our nation. The Ten Commandments once graced the halls of many public buildings; now they are targeted for removal. Public prayer was once expected and appreciated; now it is mocked and frequently banned from public events, with perhaps a few exceptions for hollow words offered up to a nameless “higher power” of our own creation. The Bible was once taught in public schools and esteemed in the public square; now our societal devotion to Scripture has been replaced by the gods of sexuality, self-fulfillment, and salvation through socialism.” Do Religion and Morality Still Belong in Our Society?



What is the basis of this sea change in America?

The explanation is the injection of neo-Marxism into the society by Joseph Stalin’s pal, our 32nd President.

Fortunately, younger generations are rejecting religion altogether, but thanks for the post.

While true, it is hardly 'fortunate.'


Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


If you had an education, ever read a book, or didn't suffer the indignity of government schooling, you'd recognize which set was successful.

I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. If you had anything that resembled an education, you would know that Socialism is an economic system, not a political one. You would also know that an economic system is not based upon Theocracy, which is based upon autocratic, and plutocratic duopoly.

Obviously based upon the fact you are a brainwashed religious cult follower, you are limited to the scope of both language, and meaning of that language, and as all cultists are, repeaters of the masters narrative.

America is a country based upon the rule of law, guided by secular human rights, documented in a ratified Constitution. Being a representative democracy, the people choose by means of voting for their elected representatives, that our Constitution states in which no religious test can be administered to holding public office or trust.

The no religious test clause is also clear stated in the First Amendment.

I would suggest reading the material on the test acts of the 17th and 18th centuries, who's main purpose was to exclude anyone not a member of the Church of England, from holding government office.

Test Act - Wikipedia

I would also direct you to Jefferson's Virginia Statute Of Religious Freedom, which outlines both freedom of conscience, and separation of church and state.

Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom

"I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. "

Sooo.....you're an Ivy League grad, too?
Which one?
Mine has the best fight song in the nation.

Could you provide the three or four books that have informed your geopolitical views?





You forgot to answer this query...

Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


Which system has proven more successful.

Nations don't have societies based upon anything. Nations are either ruled by dictate, enforced by militarism, or by rule of the people.

America has been around for 232 years. China has been around for 5000.

Who's more successful?

And since China has been around for 5000 years, that blows a hole in any history concerning Christianity. But then again Egypt was a functioning society 2700 years ago.

Religious dogma was practiced long before Christianity, and free markets existed within all of those societies in one form or another.

All of your posts are very easily revealed to be pro Calvinist, Dominionist, dogma of 1930-60 time frame. With a hint of pro nuclear family dogma post world war 2. It's boring, and repugnant at the same time. It's a dying cult, not even popular with most of the Boomer generation anymore, much less Gen x, ans Millennials and Generation Z want nothing to do with it.

The simple fact is, most industrialized nations in the world allow the free exercise of religion, and are all a mixture of Socialist-Capitalist economic systems, including the US.

Gee.....It sure is taking you a long time to come up with your Ivy League alma mater.....seems there isn't one.

And finding books you can point to seems beyond your ability as well.....



I guess you wanna retract this, huh?
"I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. "


Soooo.....which are you....a dunce, a fool, or a liar?

 

[PoliticalChic]

…contrary to what you learned in government school, it is a fabrication designed to advance the Marxist view of religion. Such is what our schools have become.




1.Remember the aphorism “Fool me once, shame on you…fool me twice, shame on me.”
Clearly, an earlier generation knew not to trust liars after they are caught once. The huge number who still vote Democrat indicates that that understanding is no longer the case…..they keep playing Charlie Brown missing Lucy’s football.



2. The Democrats/Secularists behave as though America was founded on keeping religion out of government, out of the public arena and out of civil discourse.
The very opposite is true.
And, by ‘religion,’ I mean the guidance of the Judeo-Christian faith, that of our Founders.

If no errors can be found in this thread, then consider it proven that the Left/Democrats/Progressives have lied about said separation, and those who still vote for this iniquitous bunch simply what Aquinas called 'ignorantia affectata - a cultivated ignorance'.




3. “The Department of Justice is “ready to fight for the most cherished of all our American liberties: the freedom to live according to our faith.” - Attorney General William Barr
These words send the Left into a fit!
"… one can only assume that if our founding fathers were here today, the mainstream media and far-left activists would strongly condemn their words as well, which raises the question: Do they rightly understand the First Amendment and the oft-cited “separation of church and state?” (Incidentally, these words appear nowhere in our Constitution or founding documents.)




4. The First Amendment was never intended to stamp out religious expression…it was designed to protect it. Statements by political leaders that acknowledge God, or champion religious freedom, do not constitute an “establishment” of a national religion, nor did similar statements from our founding fathers. The ongoing attempt to distort the First Amendment and use it as a sword against people of faith is abhorrent and must be condemned.

5. …this campaign against Christianity that has been waged on our nation. The Ten Commandments once graced the halls of many public buildings; now they are targeted for removal. Public prayer was once expected and appreciated; now it is mocked and frequently banned from public events, with perhaps a few exceptions for hollow words offered up to a nameless “higher power” of our own creation. The Bible was once taught in public schools and esteemed in the public square; now our societal devotion to Scripture has been replaced by the gods of sexuality, self-fulfillment, and salvation through socialism.” Do Religion and Morality Still Belong in Our Society?



What is the basis of this sea change in America?

The explanation is the injection of neo-Marxism into the society by Joseph Stalin’s pal, our 32nd President.

Fortunately, younger generations are rejecting religion altogether, but thanks for the post.

While true, it is hardly 'fortunate.'


Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


If you had an education, ever read a book, or didn't suffer the indignity of government schooling, you'd recognize which set was successful.

I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. If you had anything that resembled an education, you would know that Socialism is an economic system, not a political one. You would also know that an economic system is not based upon Theocracy, which is based upon autocratic, and plutocratic duopoly.

Obviously based upon the fact you are a brainwashed religious cult follower, you are limited to the scope of both language, and meaning of that language, and as all cultists are, repeaters of the masters narrative.

America is a country based upon the rule of law, guided by secular human rights, documented in a ratified Constitution. Being a representative democracy, the people choose by means of voting for their elected representatives, that our Constitution states in which no religious test can be administered to holding public office or trust.

The no religious test clause is also clear stated in the First Amendment.

I would suggest reading the material on the test acts of the 17th and 18th centuries, who's main purpose was to exclude anyone not a member of the Church of England, from holding government office.

Test Act - Wikipedia

I would also direct you to Jefferson's Virginia Statute Of Religious Freedom, which outlines both freedom of conscience, and separation of church and state.

Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom

"I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. "

Sooo.....you're an Ivy League grad, too?
Which one?
Mine has the best fight song in the nation.

Could you provide the three or four books that have informed your geopolitical views?





You forgot to answer this query...

Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


Which system has proven more successful.

Nations don't have societies based upon anything. Nations are either ruled by dictate, enforced by militarism, or by rule of the people.

America has been around for 232 years. China has been around for 5000.

Who's more successful?

And since China has been around for 5000 years, that blows a hole in any history concerning Christianity. But then again Egypt was a functioning society 2700 years ago.

Religious dogma was practiced long before Christianity, and free markets existed within all of those societies in one form or another.

All of your posts are very easily revealed to be pro Calvinist, Dominionist, dogma of 1930-60 time frame. With a hint of pro nuclear family dogma post world war 2. It's boring, and repugnant at the same time. It's a dying cult, not even popular with most of the Boomer generation anymore, much less Gen x, ans Millennials and Generation Z want nothing to do with it.

The simple fact is, most industrialized nations in the world allow the free exercise of religion, and are all a mixture of Socialist-Capitalist economic systems, including the US.

I'm certain that anyone who reads these posts knows the correct answer to my question...

Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


Which system has proven more successful.



Bet they recognize what you are, as well.



Does that neon light flashing IDIOT over your head keep you awake at night?

 

[lennypartiv]

Even if your assertion that there is no separation of church and state were correct, which it is not, and you choose to leave out other religions besides Christianity, which church? There are so many.

There's an easy answer to that, the founding fathers were Christians. Therefore we are a Christian country.

 

[lennypartiv]

Sharia Law is cool to implement here then?

No because we are a Christian nation.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Even if your assertion that there is no separation of church and state were correct, which it is not, and you choose to leave out other religions besides Christianity, which church? There are so many.

There's an easy answer to that, the founding fathers were Christians. Therefore we are a Christian country.

"There's an easy answer to that, the founding fathers were Christians."

so everyone for the whole rest of life and time and existence MUST BE CHRISTIANS and ABIDE BY CHRISTIAN LAW!...?


really?

are you saying that our founding fathers were tyrants who demanded that all ensuing generations MUST ADHERE to the SAME RELIGIOUS MUMBO JUMBO that THEY did?
That we have NO FREEDOM, NO RIGHT to a differing opinion?

or....


Are you saying that YOU are a tyrant and YOU demand that everyone MUST BE RULED by YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS?




" Therefore we are a Christian country. "

if a = b then c = d....?

if {our founding fathers) = {christians}
then (all laws} = {must come from bible)

I'm not sure I buy into that logic.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Sharia Law is cool to implement here then?

No because we are a Christian nation.

meaningless

 

[PoliticalChic]

…contrary to what you learned in government school, it is a fabrication designed to advance the Marxist view of religion. Such is what our schools have become.




1.Remember the aphorism “Fool me once, shame on you…fool me twice, shame on me.”
Clearly, an earlier generation knew not to trust liars after they are caught once. The huge number who still vote Democrat indicates that that understanding is no longer the case…..they keep playing Charlie Brown missing Lucy’s football.



2. The Democrats/Secularists behave as though America was founded on keeping religion out of government, out of the public arena and out of civil discourse.
The very opposite is true.
And, by ‘religion,’ I mean the guidance of the Judeo-Christian faith, that of our Founders.

If no errors can be found in this thread, then consider it proven that the Left/Democrats/Progressives have lied about said separation, and those who still vote for this iniquitous bunch simply what Aquinas called 'ignorantia affectata - a cultivated ignorance'.




3. “The Department of Justice is “ready to fight for the most cherished of all our American liberties: the freedom to live according to our faith.” - Attorney General William Barr
These words send the Left into a fit!
"… one can only assume that if our founding fathers were here today, the mainstream media and far-left activists would strongly condemn their words as well, which raises the question: Do they rightly understand the First Amendment and the oft-cited “separation of church and state?” (Incidentally, these words appear nowhere in our Constitution or founding documents.)




4. The First Amendment was never intended to stamp out religious expression…it was designed to protect it. Statements by political leaders that acknowledge God, or champion religious freedom, do not constitute an “establishment” of a national religion, nor did similar statements from our founding fathers. The ongoing attempt to distort the First Amendment and use it as a sword against people of faith is abhorrent and must be condemned.

5. …this campaign against Christianity that has been waged on our nation. The Ten Commandments once graced the halls of many public buildings; now they are targeted for removal. Public prayer was once expected and appreciated; now it is mocked and frequently banned from public events, with perhaps a few exceptions for hollow words offered up to a nameless “higher power” of our own creation. The Bible was once taught in public schools and esteemed in the public square; now our societal devotion to Scripture has been replaced by the gods of sexuality, self-fulfillment, and salvation through socialism.” Do Religion and Morality Still Belong in Our Society?



What is the basis of this sea change in America?

The explanation is the injection of neo-Marxism into the society by Joseph Stalin’s pal, our 32nd President.

Fortunately, younger generations are rejecting religion altogether, but thanks for the post.

While true, it is hardly 'fortunate.'


Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


If you had an education, ever read a book, or didn't suffer the indignity of government schooling, you'd recognize which set was successful.

I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. If you had anything that resembled an education, you would know that Socialism is an economic system, not a political one. You would also know that an economic system is not based upon Theocracy, which is based upon autocratic, and plutocratic duopoly.

Obviously based upon the fact you are a brainwashed religious cult follower, you are limited to the scope of both language, and meaning of that language, and as all cultists are, repeaters of the masters narrative.

America is a country based upon the rule of law, guided by secular human rights, documented in a ratified Constitution. Being a representative democracy, the people choose by means of voting for their elected representatives, that our Constitution states in which no religious test can be administered to holding public office or trust.

The no religious test clause is also clear stated in the First Amendment.

I would suggest reading the material on the test acts of the 17th and 18th centuries, who's main purpose was to exclude anyone not a member of the Church of England, from holding government office.

Test Act - Wikipedia

I would also direct you to Jefferson's Virginia Statute Of Religious Freedom, which outlines both freedom of conscience, and separation of church and state.

Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom

"I'm sure I am much better educated than you are. "

Sooo.....you're an Ivy League grad, too?
Which one?
Mine has the best fight song in the nation.

Could you provide the three or four books that have informed your geopolitical views?





You forgot to answer this query...

Here is the evidence of history:
Some nations/societies are based on religion and capitalism

Others, on atheism and communism.


Which system has proven more successful.

 

[Terri4Trump]

I remember watching documentaries of the Apollo moon flight. The first time they swung around the moon and saw the earth, they ready from the Bible out loud, on national tv.

The documentaries have been scrubbed from existence. I challenge someone to find that footage of the astronauts reading Genesis as they saw the earth for the first time after the first orbit of the moon.

Imagine the effort it took to get rid of all the sources of that footage.

I did manage to find it on Youtube, but it is gone from all usual documentaries you see on tv

 

[Dana7360]

Justice Black, appointed by FDR, wrote the majority decision that created the "separation church/state" in the late 40's. Black was also a KKK member who hated Papists among other ethnic groups. The intent was to stop the proliferation of religious based (mostly Catholic) schools. There is no mention of Church/State in the Constitution and democrats relied on an obscure letter by Jefferson. Through the years mostly democrats expanded the concept to the point that a kid can get arrested for carrying a Bible to school and small municipalities would be threatened with law suits that would bankrupt them if they dared put a Christmas tree on public property while federal hypocrites make a point of placing the biggest tree they can find on federal property every year.

I'm curious.

Every conservative on this board
every conservative I read in the opinion pages
every conservative who writes a book

SPINS the truth...

misleads, deceives....

Generally by mis-representing the ACTUAL truth or refusing to include information/facts that are damaging to their intended biased perspective


So...

"Through the years mostly democrats expanded the concept to the point that a kid can get arrested for carrying a Bible to school"

can you show any evidence of this?
or is it a lie?

isn't the real truth that NO RELIGION is allowed to be promoted on school property?


isn't the REAL TRUTH that conservative christians have TRIED to proselytize to everyone elses children? attempting to use OUR schools to brainwash OUR kids? so we stopped you and now you and mad and make up lies.....?




" and small municipalities would be threatened with law suits that would bankrupt them if they dared put a Christmas tree on public property"

There could be exceptions that you can, no doubt, point me to, but isn't this mostly a "if you put up displays for ONE religion then you must allow ANY religion to put up displays" thing?

and speaking of christmas trees......


Christmas in Puritan New England - Wikipedia



"Christmas celebrations in New England were illegal during parts of the 17th century, and were culturally taboo or rare in former Puritan colonies from foundation until the mid-18th century. The Puritan community found no scriptural justification for celebrating Christmas, and associated such celebrations with paganism and idolatry. Indeed, Christmas celebrations in 17th-century England involved Carnival-like behavior including role inversion, heavy drinking, and sexual liberties.[1]

The earliest years of the Plymouth Colony were troubled with non-Puritans attempting to make merry, and Governor William Bradford was forced to reprimand offenders. English laws suppressing the holiday were enacted in the English Interregnum, but repealed late in the 17th century. However, the Puritan view of Christmas and its celebration had gained cultural ascendancy in New England, and Christmas celebrations continued to be discouraged despite being legal. "

so if you think we are "christian nation" because the puritans were christians then you HAVE TO OPPOSE the celebrating of christmas.

unless you don't mind CHANGING a TRADITION that you disagree with?

Small towns can't have a Christmas tree on public property?

Where does that far right radical extremist conservative get these lies?

The small town of Leavenworth, like every large and small town in the US, has a christmas tree lighting festival every year.

Their population is just under 2 thousand people as of 2016.

Christmas Lighting Festival 2019 (DEC 6-8, 13-15, 20-22) | Leavenworth Washington

I go to my city's public christmas tree lighting ceremony every year. The mayor and city counsel members are there as is done all over the nation every year.

Seriously. Where do these people get their lies from and why does anyone pay any attention to them?

They should be mocked and shunned for their lies, hatred and constantly trying to divide and cause fights.

The Supreme Court ruled back in 1879 that we certainly do have separation of church and state. Since then, it's been the law of the land.

Much of separation of church and state is the result of Thomas Jefferson. His Danbury Letter makes it very clear the intension of the first amendment. Which is why the Supreme Court has ruled over and over that we do in fact have separation of church and state.

It's just pathetic that we have people in our nation who are so down right stupid and ignorant of our history that they actually buy into such lies.

 

[Terri4Trump]

Small towns can't have a Christmas tree on public property?

Where does that far right radical extremist conservative get these lies?.

You're the friggin' liar, and you're also an idiot if you don't know that towns have banned Christmas trees from public property.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Small towns can't have a Christmas tree on public property?

Where does that far right radical extremist conservative get these lies?.

You're the friggin' liar, and you're also an idiot if you don't know that towns have banned Christmas trees from public property.

"You're the friggin' liar, and you're also an idiot if you don't know that towns have banned Christmas trees from public property."

So I searched and searched and all I found was towns banning ALL "religious AND secular displays".

and darn few of those.

I don't believe the words "christmas trees" were actually used but, rather, "religious and secular displays"

 

[PoliticalChic]

I remember watching documentaries of the Apollo moon flight. The first time they swung around the moon and saw the earth, they ready from the Bible out loud, on national tv.

The documentaries have been scrubbed from existence. I challenge someone to find that footage of the astronauts reading Genesis as they saw the earth for the first time after the first orbit of the moon.

Imagine the effort it took to get rid of all the sources of that footage.

I did manage to find it on Youtube, but it is gone from all usual documentaries you see on tv

That is fascinating....and inspirational.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I remember watching documentaries of the Apollo moon flight. The first time they swung around the moon and saw the earth, they ready from the Bible out loud, on national tv.

The documentaries have been scrubbed from existence. I challenge someone to find that footage of the astronauts reading Genesis as they saw the earth for the first time after the first orbit of the moon.

Imagine the effort it took to get rid of all the sources of that footage.

I did manage to find it on Youtube, but it is gone from all usual documentaries you see on tv

This is a book by a scientist who documents how closely the current scientific timeline of evolution mirrors the book of Genesis.

Summary

1. God’s first command in Genesis is “Let there be light.” Nor is this the only introduction of light in the Genesis creation account, but it is the first, it represents the beginning of the formation of our solar system. And that was ‘The Big Bang’…some 13,700 million years ago. Quite an event…it lasted just 10 to the minus 35th seconds, beginning the universe, generating time and space, as well as all the matter and energy that the universe would ever, ever, contain! Big Bang…explosion….energy….light. But no atoms to form the sun for some time. Light…but no sun? So says science. And so says Genesis. Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter two.

a. For reference, Genesis 1, verses 1-4: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.



2. Modern science has largely revealed the earth’s history with respect to the land and the seas. Coincidently, the first chapter of the Bible relates a formation, a creation narrative, strangely similar to scientific understanding.


a. Genesis 1: 6-10…”And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dryland appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.


b. “The formation of the sea as well as the land is chosen as the second stage in the creation on the Bible’s first page. Modern science reveals that land and sea certainly were in place before the next stage in the scientific account of the history of the universe.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p.54. What a coincidence….or confluence.


Curious, the author of Genesis lived in a landlocked region; and Moses wandered in the desert, not along the coast. Yet…sea and land appear in this prominent position in Genesis. Must be a coincidence….



3. The opening page of Genesis asserts that plant life appeared after the seas were formed, and names specifically, grass, herbs and fruit trees. According to the author of Genesis, this is the stage where life actually begins: this is the first mention life of any kind. Plant life. Yet, the simple forms of life that are considered plant life were not discovered until a couple of millennia after Genesis was completed. So…how come Genesis mentions grass, herbs, and fruit trees at precisely this moment on the creation narrative? Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” chapter four.


a. Genesis 1: 11-12 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


b. “ From about 400 million years back to 600 million years, all kinds of complex multicellular life would have been confined to the waters of the earth….Our world's ecosystems depend upon photosynthesis to construct the fuel that all life runs on; in an ancient world with conditions similar to today's, you would need plants (as organisms that can make complex "fuel" molecules using simple building blocks and energy available from the environment, plants are known as one type of autotrophs, or "self-feeders") to evolve first, or there would be no bottom link to the food chain.” Biology of Animals & Plants - Origins & History of Life on Earth



4. Track the events in the creation account of Genesis and it’s amazing how closely the events conform to the current view of modern science. An explosion- the universe – oceans/land - plants- …And next, in verse 20, we find: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.


Kind of unusual…since the author of Genesis, and, if we are to believe that the first one to speak those words, Moses, didn’t really live in a habitat that one might call ‘sea side.’


Would have been understandable if this space in the Bible had, instead, have focused on the numbers of land mammals, birds, or insects found in ancient Israel, wouldn’t it? But, instead, marine organisms are specifically named: ‘Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,…’


Wouldn’t it be interesting if science find lots and lots of marine organisms extant at this point? Imagine if Genesis actually parallels the history of life on earth as expounded by science. Be a heck of a coincidence.

a. A truly important development took place some 521 million years ago, in the geological period known as the Cambrian. “The most abundant and diverse animals of Cambrian time were the trilobites. Trilobites had long antennae, compound eyes, many jointed legs, and a hard exoskeleton like many of their modern arthropod relatives, such as lobsters, crabs, and insects. The Cambrian is sometimes called the "Age of Trilobites"…” Paleobiology | Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History


b. No earlier fossils were found during Darwin’s lifetime: “If the theory [evolution] be true it is indisputable that before the lowest Cambrian stratum was deposited ... the world swarmed with living creatures. [Yet] to the question why we do not find rich fossiliferous deposits belonging to these earliest periods. . . I can give no satisfactory answer. The case at present must remain inexplicable.” http://www.paleosoc.org/Oldest_Fossil.pdf

....life at this stage, about 500 million years ago, was entirely marine.

How could the Genesis writer have gotten this right?

That writer…he’s landlocked, knows little of diversity….what are the odds that ‘chance’ is the answer?


What are the odds?



5. The sequence of events from the creation of the universe, to the present, begin with great explosion that produces the universe, including the earth. The earth cools enough for oceans to form. The first life is plant life, able to photosynthesize, and add oxygen to the atmosphere. All sorts of simple non-plants fill the seas, most wormlike, with soft bodies. Along come the trilobites, hugely advanced, with hard bodies…and most amazingly, with true eyes! This makes them the primary predators….but, imposes enormous evolutionary pressure on the other organisms. The result is the Cambrian explosion, lots of small organisms with defensive armor and hard exoskeletons, some 521 million years ago. So says modern science.


a. “…Genesis shows remarkable accuracy when compared to the scientific story of life’s evolutionary journey. Here, the Genesis writer envisioned great creatures evolving from those tiny Cambrian forms, eventually making their way out of the sea….Genesis seems to have picked out all the events of the highest order of importance, and put them in the right order….I don’t know the odds against such a parallel- against making a successful guess at the scientific orthodoxy of three thousand year into the future from a knowledge base of nothing- but they must be extraordinarily long.” Parker, Op. Cit., p.163-164.


b. An interesting sidelight is the ‘evolution of the Bible’ itself. Christians have incorporated a great deal of science’s process. Early in the 20th century, the Scofield Reference Bible was published. This was a new version of the King James Bible with which added a note to Genesis, suggesting what is called the “gap theory.’ It allows that millions of years could have passed between God’s creation of the heavens and the earth, thereby freeing Genesis from the literal six-day process. “What it left was a series- the same series- of timeless events; and it is these that match the scientific account of life’s history.” Parker, “The Genesis Enigma,” p. 160.


6. Unavoidable is the recognition that, once the restrictions due to the ‘six-day’ view are removed, the order of events established by modern science conform to the sequence in the first chapter of Genesis, written millennia earlier: light from an explosion (the Big Bang), universe/earth formed, the seas from the cooling earth, plants as the first life forms; abundant sea life (the Cambrian explosion), the (evolution) of the flora and fauna we see today. Neat, eh?

Lucky guess by the author of the creation account of Genesis?


7. If it is not evidence for the God, then the author of Genesis 1, or Moses, perhaps, must have understood that the universe formed first, then the seas appeared on earth, and that life forms were photosynthetic. Following that, he had to have realized that an eye evolved in an early animal in the geological past, which triggered the evolution of all the major groups of animals that exist today. Still further, he must have felt that all of this occurred in the seas, before animals moved onto land, and only when they did move out of the water did mammals and birds evolve.


The Old Testament was written, although not compiled, almost three millennia ago. It is extraordinary that the writer of the creation account in Genesis, chapter one, got it right in his exposition of the series of events: his sequence turns out to be scientifically accurate in terms of contemporary knowledge.


Wow! What an incredibly lucky guess! What a considerable stroke of good fortune!


The alternative explanation is divine intervention.

1. “ a majority of scientists (51%) say they believe in God or a higher power, while 41% say they do not.” What do scientists think about religion?