There Is No al Qaeda In Iraq

[U2Edge]

First off whoever ended the Vietnam war should get a medal.... They actually listened to the will of the American people and ended a war that killed over 58,000 of our troops. Over what?
We were lied to to get us into this war (Gulf of Tokin), we should never have been there in the first place.

The United States was containing the spread of Soviet led Communism just as it successfully did in Korea with South Korea. South Korea is now one of the most highly developed nations on the earth thanks to US efforts. Had the United States CONGRESS not abandoned South Vietnam in 1973, it too would today be a highly developed, free democratic country. But instead, the democratic congress Abandoned South Vietnam to Soviet led totalitarian communism which has enslaved the people of South Vietnam since that time!

 

[georgephillip]

Wall Street speculators are unlikely to cause global economic depression. Saddam's potential seizure and sabotage of Kuwaiti and Saudi Arabian oil fields could in fact cause just that.

Care to explain how Saddam posed no threat to the free flow of oil and natural gas form the Persian Gulf?

Guess what, on the eve of the coalition invasion of Iraq in 2003, Saddam still had a military force of 400,000, with 2,700 tanks, 2,000 other armored vehicles, 2,000 artillery pieces, dozens of ballistic missiles and 300 combat aircraft. He also had the means to develop and produce chemical and biological weapons, even though he did not appear have them in his arsenal in March 2003. Kuwait is a small country and although Saddam had been weakened, military forces of that size are always a threat to a small country like Kuwait.

When the sanctions and embargo designed to help try and contain Saddam crumbled, the only other viable option was invasion and regime change and that is what happened!

The sanctions and embargo never crumbled, Iraq and its infrastructure did.

Then how was Saddam selling BILLIONS of dollars of oil on the black market by the summer of 2002:

Here is some reading you need to do to educate yourself on the crumbling of the sanctions and embargo on Iraq

"Syrian-Iraqi Trade Reached $2 Billion in 2001," Middle East News Agency, May 27, 2002

"Iraq Caught Smuggling Oil, UN Official Says," The Washington Post, October 26, 2001

Michael Slackman, "Oil Barrels Fuel Baghdad's Clout in the Region" Los Angeles Times, May 8, 2002

Gary C. Gambill, "Iraq Returns to the Regional Stage," Middle East Intelligence Bulletin, vol. 2, no. 9 (October 5, 2000)

Nicholas Berry, "China , Fiber-Optics and Iraq," Center for Defense Information, February 26, 2001

Freedman and Stecklow, "How Iraq Reaps Illegal Oil Profits," p. A1

"Dancing On Sanctions Grave," Middle East Economic Digest, December 8, 2000

"Delhi Company Fuelled Iraq's Weapons System," Daily IRNA, June 6, 2002

Susan Blaustein and John Fawcett, "Sources of Revenue for Saddam & Sons, Inc.," Coalition for International Justice, draft manuscript, June 28, 2002, pp. 24-45

"The Oil 'Top-Off': Another Way Iraq Cheats UN," The Wall Street Journal, May 2, 2002

"Iraq Accused of Smuggling Illegal Oil," Los Angeles Times, October 26, 2001

"Illegal Oil Surcharges Earn Baghdad Extra $300 Million," Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, May 10, 2002

"Iraq Earned $6 Billion Illegally," Associated Press, May 29, 2002

"Turkey: Iraqi Diesal Trade Seen as Too Valuable to Stop," Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, August 4, 2000

"Indian Arrested for Allegedly Exporting Arms Material to Iraq," Associated Press, June 6, 2002

"US Shifts Attack on Iraq Trade; Border States Seen as Key to Enforcing Sanctions," The Washington Post, March 26, 2001

"The Baghdad Dilemma," Middle East Economic Digest January 18, 2002

The Economist Intelligence Unit, "EIU Country Report: Iraq," March 2002

How many BILLIONS of dollars of oil was Saddam entitled to sell by the summer of 2002?

"In 1996, a UN agreement allowed Iraq to export oil for the first time since 1990; by 2002, oil production was about 70% of what it was in the 1970s. Following the U.S. invasion in 2003, oil production gradually returned to what it had been in 2002 and began to exceed that in 2012.

Iraq: Economy | Infoplease.com

If you want anyone to read your evidence, try posting links.

 

[georgephillip]

Wall Street speculators are unlikely to cause global economic depression. Saddam's potential seizure and sabotage of Kuwaiti and Saudi Arabian oil fields could in fact cause just that.

Care to explain how Saddam posed no threat to the free flow of oil and natural gas form the Persian Gulf?

Guess what, on the eve of the coalition invasion of Iraq in 2003, Saddam still had a military force of 400,000, with 2,700 tanks, 2,000 other armored vehicles, 2,000 artillery pieces, dozens of ballistic missiles and 300 combat aircraft. He also had the means to develop and produce chemical and biological weapons, even though he did not appear have them in his arsenal in March 2003. Kuwait is a small country and although Saddam had been weakened, military forces of that size are always a threat to a small country like Kuwait.

When the sanctions and embargo designed to help try and contain Saddam crumbled, the only other viable option was invasion and regime change and that is what happened!

After the killing of 500,000 children inside Iraq due to sanctions even Kuwait feared Saddam less than an ascendant Iran without Saddam as a buffer, and, guess what, that is exactly what they and the Saudis got.

I know you are SADDAM's biggest defender, but the deaths of any Iraqi children during the 1990s are the responsibility of one person, SADDAM. SADDAM sold UN huminatarian aid sent to him to other countries in order to make money. UN huminatarian aid meant for Iraqi civilians showed up on the market in Jordan. Once again, more evidence of the crumbling of sanctions and the embargo and SADDAM's willingness to abuse people in his country in order to make a profit.

IF KUWAIT WAS MORE AFRAID OF IRAN AND PREFERED SADDAM TO REMAIN IN POWER WHY DID KUWAIT SUPPORT AND HELP LAUNCH THE INVASION TO REMOVE SADDAM FROM POWER?

I challenge you to find me one Kuwaiti government official opposed to Saddam's removal and more fearful of Iran and SADDDAM's Iraq which actually invaded Kuwait, annexed it, and burned all its oil wells and dumped much of its oil into the PERSIAN GULF. YOU CAN'T ignore those facts and makes up an idea like Kuwait wanting SADDAM to stay in power! LOL

Saudi Oil was never taken off line thanks to US military intervention, but Iraqi and Kuwaiti oil were off line for most of the early 1990s thanks to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and destruction of Kuwaiti oil infrastructure. THATS NOT A DELUSION, THATS A FACT!

"I know you are SADDAM's biggest defender, but the deaths of any Iraqi children during the 1990s are the responsibility of one person, SADDAM."
I haven't defended anyone who takes money to kill children.
Have you?

"IF KUWAIT WAS MORE AFRAID OF IRAN AND PREFERED SADDAM TO REMAIN IN POWER WHY DID KUWAIT SUPPORT AND HELP LAUNCH THE INVASION TO REMOVE SADDAM FROM POWER?
Kuwait had little choice in the matter.
What was it going to do, say no to its liberator?

"Saudi Oil was never taken off line thanks to US military intervention, but Iraqi and Kuwaiti oil were off line for most of the early 1990s thanks to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and destruction of Kuwaiti oil infrastructure. THATS NOT A DELUSION, THATS A FACT!"
Saudi oil has never threatened by Saddam
That was FDR.

 

[georgephillip]

Wall Street speculators are unlikely to cause global economic depression. Saddam's potential seizure and sabotage of Kuwaiti and Saudi Arabian oil fields could in fact cause just that.

Care to explain how Saddam posed no threat to the free flow of oil and natural gas form the Persian Gulf?

Guess what, on the eve of the coalition invasion of Iraq in 2003, Saddam still had a military force of 400,000, with 2,700 tanks, 2,000 other armored vehicles, 2,000 artillery pieces, dozens of ballistic missiles and 300 combat aircraft. He also had the means to develop and produce chemical and biological weapons, even though he did not appear have them in his arsenal in March 2003. Kuwait is a small country and although Saddam had been weakened, military forces of that size are always a threat to a small country like Kuwait.

When the sanctions and embargo designed to help try and contain Saddam crumbled, the only other viable option was invasion and regime change and that is what happened!

Why do you suppose none of those 300 aircraft took part in combat?
Why do you think Saddam's tanks and conscripts posed the slightest speed bump to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world?
.

Because the United States launched an attack that successfully grounded those aircraft in the early days of the conflict. As for Saddam's military, the United States had the iniative and SADDAM failed to adequately prepare the battlefield for his troops because he did not believe the United States would launch a ground invasion into Iraq all the way up to Baghdad.

In future years though, had Saddam not been removed in 2003, those aircraft, tanks and other equipment become part of a SADDAM Iraqi military machine engaged in attempting to reverse the events of 1991.

Again, Kuwait is a small country in very close proximity to Iraq which still had large military forces in 2003. The success of the US military invasion of 2003, does not at all negate the threat those Iraqi military forces posed to Kuwait, especially if they attack first given them the initiative.

Since there were 1000 Kuwait-based USAF personnel manning Operation Southern Watch and enough armor to outfit one combat brigade and more than 4000 US troops at any one time stationed in Kuwait, Saddam would have been hard pressed to find the initiative to hasten his fate.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS21513.pdf(pp 12-13)

 

[Kosh]

And to the far left the history of Iraq did not start until 2003...

 

[jon_berzerk]

And to the far left the history of Iraq did not start until 2003...

how long can cnn

maintain news censor button on

about the spread of alqeada in Iraq

the prezbo knew from moment one

that Benghazi was a terrorist attack

but lied to the people for weeks

that obamacare is about to collapse under its own weight

 

[U2Edge]

The sanctions and embargo never crumbled, Iraq and its infrastructure did.

Then how was Saddam selling BILLIONS of dollars of oil on the black market by the summer of 2002:

Here is some reading you need to do to educate yourself on the crumbling of the sanctions and embargo on Iraq

"Syrian-Iraqi Trade Reached $2 Billion in 2001," Middle East News Agency, May 27, 2002

"Iraq Caught Smuggling Oil, UN Official Says," The Washington Post, October 26, 2001

Michael Slackman, "Oil Barrels Fuel Baghdad's Clout in the Region" Los Angeles Times, May 8, 2002

Gary C. Gambill, "Iraq Returns to the Regional Stage," Middle East Intelligence Bulletin, vol. 2, no. 9 (October 5, 2000)

Nicholas Berry, "China , Fiber-Optics and Iraq," Center for Defense Information, February 26, 2001

Freedman and Stecklow, "How Iraq Reaps Illegal Oil Profits," p. A1

"Dancing On Sanctions Grave," Middle East Economic Digest, December 8, 2000

"Delhi Company Fuelled Iraq's Weapons System," Daily IRNA, June 6, 2002

Susan Blaustein and John Fawcett, "Sources of Revenue for Saddam & Sons, Inc.," Coalition for International Justice, draft manuscript, June 28, 2002, pp. 24-45

"The Oil 'Top-Off': Another Way Iraq Cheats UN," The Wall Street Journal, May 2, 2002

"Iraq Accused of Smuggling Illegal Oil," Los Angeles Times, October 26, 2001

"Illegal Oil Surcharges Earn Baghdad Extra $300 Million," Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, May 10, 2002

"Iraq Earned $6 Billion Illegally," Associated Press, May 29, 2002

"Turkey: Iraqi Diesal Trade Seen as Too Valuable to Stop," Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, August 4, 2000

"Indian Arrested for Allegedly Exporting Arms Material to Iraq," Associated Press, June 6, 2002

"US Shifts Attack on Iraq Trade; Border States Seen as Key to Enforcing Sanctions," The Washington Post, March 26, 2001

"The Baghdad Dilemma," Middle East Economic Digest January 18, 2002

The Economist Intelligence Unit, "EIU Country Report: Iraq," March 2002

How many BILLIONS of dollars of oil was Saddam entitled to sell by the summer of 2002?

"In 1996, a UN agreement allowed Iraq to export oil for the first time since 1990; by 2002, oil production was about 70% of what it was in the 1970s. Following the U.S. invasion in 2003, oil production gradually returned to what it had been in 2002 and began to exceed that in 2012.

Iraq: Economy | Infoplease.com

If you want anyone to read your evidence, try posting links.

Sorry, but the BLACK MARKET is where Saddam was able to sell oil and use the revenue for anything he wanted. Any Oil sold through the UN was tracked and could only go to humaniatarian supplies.

The Point of the articles above is SADDAM was getting around this and making money for himself which was ILLEGAL!

 

[U2Edge]

After the killing of 500,000 children inside Iraq due to sanctions even Kuwait feared Saddam less than an ascendant Iran without Saddam as a buffer, and, guess what, that is exactly what they and the Saudis got.

I know you are SADDAM's biggest defender, but the deaths of any Iraqi children during the 1990s are the responsibility of one person, SADDAM. SADDAM sold UN huminatarian aid sent to him to other countries in order to make money. UN huminatarian aid meant for Iraqi civilians showed up on the market in Jordan. Once again, more evidence of the crumbling of sanctions and the embargo and SADDAM's willingness to abuse people in his country in order to make a profit.

IF KUWAIT WAS MORE AFRAID OF IRAN AND PREFERED SADDAM TO REMAIN IN POWER WHY DID KUWAIT SUPPORT AND HELP LAUNCH THE INVASION TO REMOVE SADDAM FROM POWER?

I challenge you to find me one Kuwaiti government official opposed to Saddam's removal and more fearful of Iran and SADDDAM's Iraq which actually invaded Kuwait, annexed it, and burned all its oil wells and dumped much of its oil into the PERSIAN GULF. YOU CAN'T ignore those facts and makes up an idea like Kuwait wanting SADDAM to stay in power! LOL

Saudi Oil was never taken off line thanks to US military intervention, but Iraqi and Kuwaiti oil were off line for most of the early 1990s thanks to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and destruction of Kuwaiti oil infrastructure. THATS NOT A DELUSION, THATS A FACT!

"I know you are SADDAM's biggest defender, but the deaths of any Iraqi children during the 1990s are the responsibility of one person, SADDAM."
I haven't defended anyone who takes money to kill children.
Have you?

"IF KUWAIT WAS MORE AFRAID OF IRAN AND PREFERED SADDAM TO REMAIN IN POWER WHY DID KUWAIT SUPPORT AND HELP LAUNCH THE INVASION TO REMOVE SADDAM FROM POWER?
Kuwait had little choice in the matter.
What was it going to do, say no to its liberator?

"Saudi Oil was never taken off line thanks to US military intervention, but Iraqi and Kuwaiti oil were off line for most of the early 1990s thanks to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and destruction of Kuwaiti oil infrastructure. THATS NOT A DELUSION, THATS A FACT!"
Saudi oil has never threatened by Saddam
That was FDR.

You spend a large amount of time defending SADDAM, that says enough.

Kuwait supported the invasion for obvious reasons. Its led to a massive improvement in Kuwaits and Saudi Arabia's security. I have yet to hear anyone in Kuwait mourn the removal of Saddam, but since you are so sure of it, I'm sure you will provide us a link.

Saddam invaded and attacked Saudi Arabia with conventional ground forces and ballistic missiles. His overrunning and then ANNEXING of Kuwait next to Saudi Arabia was a MASSIVE THREAT to Saudi Oil supplies.

FDR was the first person outside of Saudi Arabia who was willing to spend treasure and blood in order to defend the security of that country!

 

[U2Edge]

Why do you suppose none of those 300 aircraft took part in combat?
Why do you think Saddam's tanks and conscripts posed the slightest speed bump to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world?
.

Because the United States launched an attack that successfully grounded those aircraft in the early days of the conflict. As for Saddam's military, the United States had the iniative and SADDAM failed to adequately prepare the battlefield for his troops because he did not believe the United States would launch a ground invasion into Iraq all the way up to Baghdad.

In future years though, had Saddam not been removed in 2003, those aircraft, tanks and other equipment become part of a SADDAM Iraqi military machine engaged in attempting to reverse the events of 1991.

Again, Kuwait is a small country in very close proximity to Iraq which still had large military forces in 2003. The success of the US military invasion of 2003, does not at all negate the threat those Iraqi military forces posed to Kuwait, especially if they attack first given them the initiative.

Since there were 1000 Kuwait-based USAF personnel manning Operation Southern Watch and enough armor to outfit one combat brigade and more than 4000 US troops at any one time stationed in Kuwait, Saddam would have been hard pressed to find the initiative to hasten his fate.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS21513.pdf(pp 12-13)

Correction, there was not always a force of 4,000 troops stationed in Kuwait and the armor that was pre-positioned was vulnerable to being overrun before anyone had a chance to man it.

Secondly, the crumbling of sanctions meant Saddam could start to rebuild his military force as well as his WMD capabilities which would enhance his abilities to overrun Kuwait again. Once again, he still had 400,000 troops, 2,700 tanks, 2,000 armored personal carriers, 2,000 artillery pieces, 300 combat aircraft and dozens of ballistic missiles. Even in 2002, a serious effort by Saddam's military would be able to overrun and United States speed bumb in Kuwait. Add in years of rebuilding Saddam's military capabilities thanks to the end of sanctions and you would be talking about the probability of Saddam taken and holding onto Kuwait and Northern Saudi Arabia. That's why Saddam had to be removed in 2003! The means of containment had crumbled and it would only be a matter of time before Saddam rebuilt his capabilities and launched aggression against the Persian Gulf States again as he did so many times in the past.

Finally, look at what 19 hijackers only armed with box cutters did on 9/11 and with funding a tiny fraction of what Saddam had to fund his military. Saddam uncontained was sitting on too much oil wealth and to much starting military power. The United States did the smart and prudent thing by removing him from power!

 

[georgephillip]

Then how was Saddam selling BILLIONS of dollars of oil on the black market by the summer of 2002:

Here is some reading you need to do to educate yourself on the crumbling of the sanctions and embargo on Iraq

"Syrian-Iraqi Trade Reached $2 Billion in 2001," Middle East News Agency, May 27, 2002

"Iraq Caught Smuggling Oil, UN Official Says," The Washington Post, October 26, 2001

Michael Slackman, "Oil Barrels Fuel Baghdad's Clout in the Region" Los Angeles Times, May 8, 2002

Gary C. Gambill, "Iraq Returns to the Regional Stage," Middle East Intelligence Bulletin, vol. 2, no. 9 (October 5, 2000)

Nicholas Berry, "China , Fiber-Optics and Iraq," Center for Defense Information, February 26, 2001

Freedman and Stecklow, "How Iraq Reaps Illegal Oil Profits," p. A1

"Dancing On Sanctions Grave," Middle East Economic Digest, December 8, 2000

"Delhi Company Fuelled Iraq's Weapons System," Daily IRNA, June 6, 2002

Susan Blaustein and John Fawcett, "Sources of Revenue for Saddam & Sons, Inc.," Coalition for International Justice, draft manuscript, June 28, 2002, pp. 24-45

"The Oil 'Top-Off': Another Way Iraq Cheats UN," The Wall Street Journal, May 2, 2002

"Iraq Accused of Smuggling Illegal Oil," Los Angeles Times, October 26, 2001

"Illegal Oil Surcharges Earn Baghdad Extra $300 Million," Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, May 10, 2002

"Iraq Earned $6 Billion Illegally," Associated Press, May 29, 2002

"Turkey: Iraqi Diesal Trade Seen as Too Valuable to Stop," Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, August 4, 2000

"Indian Arrested for Allegedly Exporting Arms Material to Iraq," Associated Press, June 6, 2002

"US Shifts Attack on Iraq Trade; Border States Seen as Key to Enforcing Sanctions," The Washington Post, March 26, 2001

"The Baghdad Dilemma," Middle East Economic Digest January 18, 2002

The Economist Intelligence Unit, "EIU Country Report: Iraq," March 2002

How many BILLIONS of dollars of oil was Saddam entitled to sell by the summer of 2002?

"In 1996, a UN agreement allowed Iraq to export oil for the first time since 1990; by 2002, oil production was about 70% of what it was in the 1970s. Following the U.S. invasion in 2003, oil production gradually returned to what it had been in 2002 and began to exceed that in 2012.

Iraq: Economy | Infoplease.com

If you want anyone to read your evidence, try posting links.

Sorry, but the BLACK MARKET is where Saddam was able to sell oil and use the revenue for anything he wanted. Any Oil sold through the UN was tracked and could only go to humaniatarian supplies.

The Point of the articles above is SADDAM was getting around this and making money for himself which was ILLEGAL!

So naturally the only Christian thing to do was launch an illegal invasion that maimed, murdered, and displaced millions of innocent Iraqi civilians, right?

 

[Kosh]

How many BILLIONS of dollars of oil was Saddam entitled to sell by the summer of 2002?

"In 1996, a UN agreement allowed Iraq to export oil for the first time since 1990; by 2002, oil production was about 70% of what it was in the 1970s. Following the U.S. invasion in 2003, oil production gradually returned to what it had been in 2002 and began to exceed that in 2012.

Iraq: Economy | Infoplease.com

If you want anyone to read your evidence, try posting links.

Sorry, but the BLACK MARKET is where Saddam was able to sell oil and use the revenue for anything he wanted. Any Oil sold through the UN was tracked and could only go to humaniatarian supplies.

The Point of the articles above is SADDAM was getting around this and making money for himself which was ILLEGAL!

So naturally the only Christian thing to do was launch an illegal invasion that maimed, murdered, and displaced millions of innocent Iraqi civilians, right?

More proof that the far left will do what ever it takes to make Iraq a failure and all for political purposes.

 

[georgephillip]

Sorry, but the BLACK MARKET is where Saddam was able to sell oil and use the revenue for anything he wanted. Any Oil sold through the UN was tracked and could only go to humaniatarian supplies.

The Point of the articles above is SADDAM was getting around this and making money for himself which was ILLEGAL!

So naturally the only Christian thing to do was launch an illegal invasion that maimed, murdered, and displaced millions of innocent Iraqi civilians, right?

More proof that the far left will do what ever it takes to make Iraq a failure and all for political purposes.

Anyone who looks at what the US left behind in Iraq without partisan eye wear sees very little except abject failure

"What is there to show for the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq 10 years ago?

"Many are quick to insist that Iraq is better off than it was under Saddam, but that is a low bar, given Saddam’s genocide against the Kurds, mass slaughter of Shia who rose up against him, and unspeakable brutality against anyone perceived to challenge his rule.

"Sadly, one cannot say a lot more.

"Despite the massive military and financial commitment, and the sacrifice of thousands of Iraqi and American lives, the United States left Iraq a weak foundation for democracy."

U.S. Has Self to Blame for Iraq Failures | Human Rights Watch

 

[U2Edge]

How many BILLIONS of dollars of oil was Saddam entitled to sell by the summer of 2002?

"In 1996, a UN agreement allowed Iraq to export oil for the first time since 1990; by 2002, oil production was about 70% of what it was in the 1970s. Following the U.S. invasion in 2003, oil production gradually returned to what it had been in 2002 and began to exceed that in 2012.

Iraq: Economy | Infoplease.com

If you want anyone to read your evidence, try posting links.

Sorry, but the BLACK MARKET is where Saddam was able to sell oil and use the revenue for anything he wanted. Any Oil sold through the UN was tracked and could only go to humaniatarian supplies.

The Point of the articles above is SADDAM was getting around this and making money for himself which was ILLEGAL!

So naturally the only Christian thing to do was launch an illegal invasion that maimed, murdered, and displaced millions of innocent Iraqi civilians, right?

The invasion was not illegal but approved by multiple UN resolutions and was a consequence of SADDAM's failure to comply with the 1991 ceacefire, other multiple UN resolutions and the crumbling of the sanctions and embargo meant to contain him.

Far more people would have been maimed, murdered and displaced if SADDAM had been allowed to remain in power. SADDAM's history is proof of that. The crumbling of sanctions to contain him is more proof. The means of containing him the only other viable policy option against Saddam was gone.

Yes, military action has its costs. But overall the world is far safer and more secure now that Saddam is gone. Saddam can no longer start more wars that would have killed, maimed and disiplaced far more people than his previous wars already had.

AGAIN, we would not be in this situation if SADDAM had not decided in 1990 to invade and ANNEX KUWAIT. The first time another country had been invaded and annexed since HITLER did it in the 1940s!

 

[Faun]

Sorry, but the BLACK MARKET is where Saddam was able to sell oil and use the revenue for anything he wanted. Any Oil sold through the UN was tracked and could only go to humaniatarian supplies.

The Point of the articles above is SADDAM was getting around this and making money for himself which was ILLEGAL!

So naturally the only Christian thing to do was launch an illegal invasion that maimed, murdered, and displaced millions of innocent Iraqi civilians, right?

The invasion was not illegal but approved by multiple UN resolutions and was a consequence of SADDAM's failure to comply with the 1991 ceacefire, other multiple UN resolutions and the crumbling of the sanctions and embargo meant to contain him.

Bullshit. The only U.N. approval to the invasion came after Bush already invaded Iraq. You should know this since had there actually been U.N. approval, Bush a) would not have gone to the U.N. seeking a vote for approval; which he backed down from asking for once he realized that the U.K. was the only other country which was going to give him their vote. b) would have had a U.N. sanctioned coalition to invade Iraq and would not have had to form his own coalition. c) would not have had to lie about why he decided to invade.

 

[georgephillip]

Sorry, but the BLACK MARKET is where Saddam was able to sell oil and use the revenue for anything he wanted. Any Oil sold through the UN was tracked and could only go to humaniatarian supplies.

The Point of the articles above is SADDAM was getting around this and making money for himself which was ILLEGAL!

So naturally the only Christian thing to do was launch an illegal invasion that maimed, murdered, and displaced millions of innocent Iraqi civilians, right?

The invasion was not illegal but approved by multiple UN resolutions and was a consequence of SADDAM's failure to comply with the 1991 ceacefire, other multiple UN resolutions and the crumbling of the sanctions and embargo meant to contain him.

Far more people would have been maimed, murdered and displaced if SADDAM had been allowed to remain in power. SADDAM's history is proof of that. The crumbling of sanctions to contain him is more proof. The means of containing him the only other viable policy option against Saddam was gone.

Yes, military action has its costs. But overall the world is far safer and more secure now that Saddam is gone. Saddam can no longer start more wars that would have killed, maimed and disiplaced far more people than his previous wars already had.

AGAIN, we would not be in this situation if SADDAM had not decided in 1990 to invade and ANNEX KUWAIT. The first time another country had been invaded and annexed since HITLER did it in the 1940s!

By the same reasoning we would not be in this situation if the CIA hadn't helped Saddam and his party come to power in 1963.

The US/UK invasion of Iraq was an unlawful War of Aggression since the UN Charter forbids wars of choice and expressly outlaws all use of force except when explicitly authorized by the UNSC or when an armed attack is immanent.

Unlawful war requires US military to refuse all war orders and arrest those who issue them.

 

[Kosh]

So naturally the only Christian thing to do was launch an illegal invasion that maimed, murdered, and displaced millions of innocent Iraqi civilians, right?

The invasion was not illegal but approved by multiple UN resolutions and was a consequence of SADDAM's failure to comply with the 1991 ceacefire, other multiple UN resolutions and the crumbling of the sanctions and embargo meant to contain him.

Bullshit. The only U.N. approval to the invasion came after Bush already invaded Iraq. You should know this since had there actually been U.N. approval, Bush a) would not have gone to the U.N. seeking a vote for approval; which he backed down from asking for once he realized that the U.K. was the only other country which was going to give him their vote. b) would have had a U.N. sanctioned coalition to invade Iraq and would not have had to form his own coalition. c) would not have had to lie about why he decided to invade.

And the far left propaganda continues...

 

[jon_berzerk]

The invasion was not illegal but approved by multiple UN resolutions and was a consequence of SADDAM's failure to comply with the 1991 ceacefire, other multiple UN resolutions and the crumbling of the sanctions and embargo meant to contain him.

Bullshit. The only U.N. approval to the invasion came after Bush already invaded Iraq. You should know this since had there actually been U.N. approval, Bush a) would not have gone to the U.N. seeking a vote for approval; which he backed down from asking for once he realized that the U.K. was the only other country which was going to give him their vote. b) would have had a U.N. sanctioned coalition to invade Iraq and would not have had to form his own coalition. c) would not have had to lie about why he decided to invade.

And the far left propaganda continues...

why on earth would anyone believe word

that comes out of the white house

and admin

they are repeated liars

 

[Faun]

The invasion was not illegal but approved by multiple UN resolutions and was a consequence of SADDAM's failure to comply with the 1991 ceacefire, other multiple UN resolutions and the crumbling of the sanctions and embargo meant to contain him.

Bullshit. The only U.N. approval to the invasion came after Bush already invaded Iraq. You should know this since had there actually been U.N. approval, Bush a) would not have gone to the U.N. seeking a vote for approval; which he backed down from asking for once he realized that the U.K. was the only other country which was going to give him their vote. b) would have had a U.N. sanctioned coalition to invade Iraq and would not have had to form his own coalition. c) would not have had to lie about why he decided to invade.

And the far left propaganda continues...

Only to folks like you are historical facts, "propaganda."

 

[U2Edge]

So naturally the only Christian thing to do was launch an illegal invasion that maimed, murdered, and displaced millions of innocent Iraqi civilians, right?

The invasion was not illegal but approved by multiple UN resolutions and was a consequence of SADDAM's failure to comply with the 1991 ceacefire, other multiple UN resolutions and the crumbling of the sanctions and embargo meant to contain him.

Bullshit. The only U.N. approval to the invasion came after Bush already invaded Iraq. You should know this since had there actually been U.N. approval, Bush a) would not have gone to the U.N. seeking a vote for approval; which he backed down from asking for once he realized that the U.K. was the only other country which was going to give him their vote. b) would have had a U.N. sanctioned coalition to invade Iraq and would not have had to form his own coalition. c) would not have had to lie about why he decided to invade.

1. UN resolution 678 which was signed in 1990 is the starting legal basis for the invasion in 2003. That's because Iraq was required to comply with the UN or face the use of all means necessary to make it comply. In addition, this was applied to all subsequent UN resolutions.

2. In November 2002, resolution 1441, reaffirmed the language and responsibilities and penalties Iraq faced from resolution 678 and threatened serious consequences.

So in November 2002, the Bush Administration already had two UN resolutions that authorized the use of military force to bring Iraq until compliance with the UN resolutions and the 1991 Gulf War Ceacefire agreement all of which SADDAM was in violation of.

There were some European members who felt uncomfortable about this, so in an attempt to make them feel comfortable, the Bush administration set out to make another more explicit resolution. That attempt was abandoned though when it was found that certain countries were only going to use it as an attempt to reverse their own previous positions on Iraq and block Bush.

Given that the United States and other member nations already had legal authority under UN resolutions 678 and 1441 to use military force against Iraq to bring it into compliance, the Bush administration stopped the work on the new resolution. It was never needed from a legal standpoint and was only considered as a way of creating more support than they already had at the time.

The coaltion that went into Iraq was sanctioned by the UN just as all military action against Iraq since 1991 had been sanctioned by the UN through resolution 678. Resolution 1441 passed in November 2002 was another resolution supporting military action.

Once Saddam was removed in April 2003, the UN passed resolution 1483 in June 2003 approving the coalition occupation of Iraq.

If the invasion were illegal or the UN did not sanction it, the UN never would have approved the occupation of Iraq by foreign troops. Instead, it would have done what it did when Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. The UN passed a resolution condemning the Iraq invasion of Kuwait. It passed another resolution calling for the immediate withdrawal of Iraqi troops from Kuwait. It then passed multiple resolutions sanctioning Iraq and then finally passed resolutions authorizing military action against Iraq.

Do the UN EVER attempt to pass any resolutions against the United States condemning it for the invasion and calling for the immediate withdrawal of US troops? NO

Instead several months after the US invasion and overthrow of Saddam, the UN passed a resolution approving the coalition occupation of Iraq.

 

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So naturally the only Christian thing to do was launch an illegal invasion that maimed, murdered, and displaced millions of innocent Iraqi civilians, right?

The invasion was not illegal but approved by multiple UN resolutions and was a consequence of SADDAM's failure to comply with the 1991 ceacefire, other multiple UN resolutions and the crumbling of the sanctions and embargo meant to contain him.

Far more people would have been maimed, murdered and displaced if SADDAM had been allowed to remain in power. SADDAM's history is proof of that. The crumbling of sanctions to contain him is more proof. The means of containing him the only other viable policy option against Saddam was gone.

Yes, military action has its costs. But overall the world is far safer and more secure now that Saddam is gone. Saddam can no longer start more wars that would have killed, maimed and disiplaced far more people than his previous wars already had.

AGAIN, we would not be in this situation if SADDAM had not decided in 1990 to invade and ANNEX KUWAIT. The first time another country had been invaded and annexed since HITLER did it in the 1940s!

By the same reasoning we would not be in this situation if the CIA hadn't helped Saddam and his party come to power in 1963.

The US/UK invasion of Iraq was an unlawful War of Aggression since the UN Charter forbids wars of choice and expressly outlaws all use of force except when explicitly authorized by the UNSC or when an armed attack is immanent.

Unlawful war requires US military to refuse all war orders and arrest those who issue them.

Saddam and his party did not come to power in 1963. In fact, Saddam was put in jail in 1964. Saddam and the bath party did not come to power until the summer of 1968, long after the CIA had helped Iraqi's remove Qasim from power in 1963.

The UNSC authorized military action against Iraq in 1990 as well as subsequent military action against Iraq if if failed to comply with UN resolutions and the Gulf War ceacefire agreement.

All US military action against Iraq from 1990 through 2011 has been authorized through multiple UN resolutions passed by the UNSC. The UNSC also approved the coalition occupation of Iraq starting in June 2003 with resolution 1483.

The UNSC never passed and NEVER attempted any resolutions condemning US military action in Iraq or calling for a US military withdrawal as it did when Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990.

There has never been a war with more written legal backing prior to its initiation than the US led invasion of Iraq in 2003.