There Is No al Qaeda In Iraq

[Edgetho]

Iraqi blood.
And those who made the most profit from blood shed in Iraq couldn't care less if a Republican OR Democrat occupies the Oval Office.

Everyone profits from the free flow of oil and natural gas from the Persian Gulf which was made more secure with the removal of Saddam from power.

Saddam posed no threat to the free flow of oil and natural gas from the Persian Gulf after 1991, and he never posed as much of a threat as Wall Street speculators do today.

Hey, jerkoff. If Speculators are such a threat and they're stealing so much money, why don't you get in on the game?

You're so fucking smart, why don't you mortgage your house, pawn your OL's jewelry and raid your kids College Funds and get in on the action?

You won't and I know why........ You're too stupid and we both know it.

You would lose everything you own in the first week.

Like every other dimocrap scumbag, you have no base of knowledge from which to speak. All you do is throw shit pies at anything you don't understand..... Which is about everything to do with the way the world works.

If you weren't on your knees all the time, begging for a handout, maybe you could see how the world works and recognize that the World of Commodities Futures actually does the World Markets a favor.

But like I said, you'd have to get off your knees first.

Get a life, loser

 

[georgephillip]

Everyone profits from the free flow of oil and natural gas from the Persian Gulf which was made more secure with the removal of Saddam from power.

Saddam posed no threat to the free flow of oil and natural gas from the Persian Gulf after 1991, and he never posed as much of a threat as Wall Street speculators do today.

Wall Street speculators are unlikely to cause global economic depression. Saddam's potential seizure and sabotage of Kuwaiti and Saudi Arabian oil fields could in fact cause just that.

Care to explain how Saddam posed no threat to the free flow of oil and natural gas form the Persian Gulf?

Guess what, on the eve of the coalition invasion of Iraq in 2003, Saddam still had a military force of 400,000, with 2,700 tanks, 2,000 other armored vehicles, 2,000 artillery pieces, dozens of ballistic missiles and 300 combat aircraft. He also had the means to develop and produce chemical and biological weapons, even though he did not appear have them in his arsenal in March 2003. Kuwait is a small country and although Saddam had been weakened, military forces of that size are always a threat to a small country like Kuwait.

When the sanctions and embargo designed to help try and contain Saddam crumbled, the only other viable option was invasion and regime change and that is what happened!

The sanctions and embargo never crumbled, Iraq and its infrastructure did.
After the killing of 500,000 children inside Iraq due to sanctions even Kuwait feared Saddam less than an ascendant Iran without Saddam as a buffer, and, guess what, that is exactly what they and the Saudis got.

Why do you suppose none of those 300 aircraft took part in combat?
Why do you think Saddam's tanks and conscripts posed the slightest speed bump to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world?

In case you didn't notice, Wall Street speculators crashed the US and global economy in 2008, and they are close to doing it again, which stands in stark contrast to your delusion about Saddam taking Saudi and Kuwaiti oil off the market.

 

[kiwiman127]

Right?

Edge:

Yeah, this would belong in another forum except for the fact that libs keep telling us how there's no al Qaeda in Iraq. Now or ever.

Funny. I bet there's some Kurds that might not agree

Really, you know absolutely nothing about the inner workings of anything, especially a leftie's brain. It was CLEARLY published in 2001 after 9/11 that Al Queda had cells everywhere:

Al-Qaeda | Mapping Militant Organizations
Geographical Locations

""""Al-Qaeda has suspected cells in more than 100 different countries. Notably, cells have been broken up in the United States, United Kingdom, Italy, France, Uganda, Somalia, Pakistan, Albania, Germany, Spain, and elsewhere. The core organization and leadership of AQ, however, is based in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Particularly strong allied and/or affiliated groups can be found in Uzbekistan, Somalia, Mali, Egypt, Iraq, the Philippines, and Yemen.""""

But Bush and Cheney CHERRY-PICKED Iraq. Got it now, Cletus?

Dunce!
Iraq was a stable democracy when Bush left office. Obama fucked up the status of forces agreement and allowed AQ back in, infiltrating from Iran and Syria.
Yeah, everything is Bush's fault. It's like Obama never won election here.

The above post by Rabbi is a blatant attempt to re-write history.

Obama living up to Bush's terms on Iraq withdrawal, spokesman says
Obama living up to Bush's terms on Iraq withdrawal, spokesman says - Los Angeles Times

I remember the right got really pissed off when Obama took responsibility to getting the troops out of Iraq. And the right was correct. But in real life Maliki forced the situation with "W".

 

[georgephillip]

Everyone profits from the free flow of oil and natural gas from the Persian Gulf which was made more secure with the removal of Saddam from power.

Saddam posed no threat to the free flow of oil and natural gas from the Persian Gulf after 1991, and he never posed as much of a threat as Wall Street speculators do today.

Hey, jerkoff. If Speculators are such a threat and they're stealing so much money, why don't you get in on the game?

You're so fucking smart, why don't you mortgage your house, pawn your OL's jewelry and raid your kids College Funds and get in on the action?

You won't and I know why........ You're too stupid and we both know it.

You would lose everything you own in the first week.

Like every other dimocrap scumbag, you have no base of knowledge from which to speak. All you do is throw shit pies at anything you don't understand..... Which is about everything to do with the way the world works.

If you weren't on your knees all the time, begging for a handout, maybe you could see how the world works and recognize that the World of Commodities Futures actually does the World Markets a favor.

But like I said, you'd have to get off your knees first.

Get a life, loser

Do you swallow every Wall Street load, Toad?

"Today, speculators dominate the trading of oil futures. According to Congressional testimony by the commodities specialist Michael W. Masters in 2009, the oil futures markets routinely trade more than one billion barrels of oil per day.

"Given that the entire world produces only around 85 million actual 'wet' barrels a day, this means that more than 90 percent of trading involves speculators’ exchanging 'paper' barrels with one another."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/11/opinion/ban-pure-speculators-of-oil-futures.html?_r=0

 

[Faun]

U2Edge is indeed a failed neo-con.

We failed in Vietnam because (1) the American population decided after 17 thousand body bags came home in 1968 that we could not win the war; and (2) the Vietnamese leadership was too corrupt.

We failed in Iraq (1) because the Bushies tried to do it on the cheap while enriching their pet corporations and (2) the day we sided with the Sunnis 2005 the Shi'ites realized they could never trust the Americans. (3) The killings in Iraq are increasing and (4) the governments of Iraq and Iran grow closer.

We are failing in Afghanistan because (1) Bush removed the helicopter, mountain, spec op units we needed to keep the bad guys down for the Iraqi invasion, allowing the bad guys to regroup and regrow. (2) We hold Kabul and a few fortress in the hinterlands, nothing more.

Conclusion: the neo-cons bent the American government and people over, stuffed them, and took their billfold. Absolute cock up.

During the Vietnam war, United States forces in Vietnam reached the largest size in 1969, a year after the largest casualties of 1968. The Nixon administration adopted the policy of Vietnamization in order to strengthen South Vietnams ability to stand on its own without American troops on the ground. US forces were then withdrawn gradually during Nixon's first administration.

All the politicians who were for ending the war immediately or withdraw immediately without conditions were defeated in 1968. Nixon won the greatest landslide in American history in 1972 as he was loosening restrictions on US bombing raids over the north. But the democrats won a majority in congress and that proved to be the United States undoing in Vietnam.

The South Vietnamese military by the end of 1972 and repelled the Norths Easter Offensive with the aid of American air power. With continued US support for the South Vietnamese military and the aid of US Air Power, the North would NEVER have been able to take over the south.

But in 1973, the democratic led US congress began cutting money and supplies for the South Vietnamese Military. Then in August 1973, the democratic led congress successfully passed the Case Church amendment which cut all funds for any further US military activity in South East Asia, meaning that US Airpower would not be allowed to come to the aid of South Vietnam if there was a problem.

Finally in 1975, with the South Vietnamese starved for two years and the end of support from the US military, the North having been heavily supplied by their Chinese and Soviet Allies, were able to move in and defeat the unsupplied and poorly equipped South Vietnamese military that the United States had been forced to abandon because the Democratic led congress cut off all the funding and as well as any funding for more US military operations in the region!

THATS THE ONLY REASON WHY THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE LOST!



In Iraq, the United States did not fail. It successfully removed Saddam from power, and the government that the United States helped install in 2006, that of Nuri Al Maliki is still 8 years later running the country. The Iraqi military has proven itself capable of handling the security situation on the ground without the aid of American troops on the ground.

There has been a spike in killings in Iraq in 2013, but the numbers are still tiny compared to 2006. Iran and Iraq are closer today because SADDAM is gone, just as Iraq and Kuwait are closer today now that SADDAM is gone. Nearly every country in the world has better relations with Iraq today now that SADDAM is gone. That's not bad thing, that's a good thing.

In Afghanistan, whatever you alleged was removed was later placed back into Afghanistan. The number of US troops in Afghanistan continued to rise while the United States was fighting the war in Iraq. In 2002, there were 10,000 US troops in Afghanistan. In 2008, there were 35,000 troops in Afghanistan. In 2010, there were over 100,000 US troops in Afghanistan. These numbers have been drawn down now to 33,000 because the Afghan military been able to take over more of the fighting.

THE TALIBAN IS NOT IN CONTROL OF ANY MAJOR CITIES IN AFGHANISTAN! The TALIBAN DO NOT CONTROL ANY OF THE PROVINCIAL CAPITALS IN ANY OF THE 26 provinces. Any large concentrations of Taliban will be an are targeted by US combat aircraft and US drones. The Taliban continue to hide in the mountains and run over the border into Pakistan.

Talk about retarded of course Congress cut off funds for military activities. By the time they did, all of our combat troops had been withdrawn and the war was officially over. All that remained were advisors and military to guard U.S. installations.

 

[Edgetho]

U2Edge is indeed a failed neo-con.

We failed in Vietnam because (1) the American population decided after 17 thousand body bags came home in 1968 that we could not win the war; and (2) the Vietnamese leadership was too corrupt.

We failed in Iraq (1) because the Bushies tried to do it on the cheap while enriching their pet corporations and (2) the day we sided with the Sunnis 2005 the Shi'ites realized they could never trust the Americans. (3) The killings in Iraq are increasing and (4) the governments of Iraq and Iran grow closer.

We are failing in Afghanistan because (1) Bush removed the helicopter, mountain, spec op units we needed to keep the bad guys down for the Iraqi invasion, allowing the bad guys to regroup and regrow. (2) We hold Kabul and a few fortress in the hinterlands, nothing more.

Conclusion: the neo-cons bent the American government and people over, stuffed them, and took their billfold. Absolute cock up.

During the Vietnam war, United States forces in Vietnam reached the largest size in 1969, a year after the largest casualties of 1968. The Nixon administration adopted the policy of Vietnamization in order to strengthen South Vietnams ability to stand on its own without American troops on the ground. US forces were then withdrawn gradually during Nixon's first administration.

All the politicians who were for ending the war immediately or withdraw immediately without conditions were defeated in 1968. Nixon won the greatest landslide in American history in 1972 as he was loosening restrictions on US bombing raids over the north. But the democrats won a majority in congress and that proved to be the United States undoing in Vietnam.

The South Vietnamese military by the end of 1972 and repelled the Norths Easter Offensive with the aid of American air power. With continued US support for the South Vietnamese military and the aid of US Air Power, the North would NEVER have been able to take over the south.

But in 1973, the democratic led US congress began cutting money and supplies for the South Vietnamese Military. Then in August 1973, the democratic led congress successfully passed the Case Church amendment which cut all funds for any further US military activity in South East Asia, meaning that US Airpower would not be allowed to come to the aid of South Vietnam if there was a problem.

Finally in 1975, with the South Vietnamese starved for two years and the end of support from the US military, the North having been heavily supplied by their Chinese and Soviet Allies, were able to move in and defeat the unsupplied and poorly equipped South Vietnamese military that the United States had been forced to abandon because the Democratic led congress cut off all the funding and as well as any funding for more US military operations in the region!

THATS THE ONLY REASON WHY THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE LOST!



In Iraq, the United States did not fail. It successfully removed Saddam from power, and the government that the United States helped install in 2006, that of Nuri Al Maliki is still 8 years later running the country. The Iraqi military has proven itself capable of handling the security situation on the ground without the aid of American troops on the ground.

There has been a spike in killings in Iraq in 2013, but the numbers are still tiny compared to 2006. Iran and Iraq are closer today because SADDAM is gone, just as Iraq and Kuwait are closer today now that SADDAM is gone. Nearly every country in the world has better relations with Iraq today now that SADDAM is gone. That's not bad thing, that's a good thing.

In Afghanistan, whatever you alleged was removed was later placed back into Afghanistan. The number of US troops in Afghanistan continued to rise while the United States was fighting the war in Iraq. In 2002, there were 10,000 US troops in Afghanistan. In 2008, there were 35,000 troops in Afghanistan. In 2010, there were over 100,000 US troops in Afghanistan. These numbers have been drawn down now to 33,000 because the Afghan military been able to take over more of the fighting.

THE TALIBAN IS NOT IN CONTROL OF ANY MAJOR CITIES IN AFGHANISTAN! The TALIBAN DO NOT CONTROL ANY OF THE PROVINCIAL CAPITALS IN ANY OF THE 26 provinces. Any large concentrations of Taliban will be an are targeted by US combat aircraft and US drones. The Taliban continue to hide in the mountains and run over the border into Pakistan.

Talk about retarded of course Congress cut off funds for military activities. By the time they did, all of our combat troops had been withdrawn and the war was officially over. All that remained were advisors and military to guard U.S. installations.

Your lying, stupidity and ignorance are not out of the norm for a dimocrap scumbag.

Congress cut down everything to the Vietnamese to the point that the aid we gave them wasn't even worthwhile.

Congress WAS Responsible for Defeat in Indochina | A Troop, 3/17th Air Cavalry Silver Spur Blog

Their Army had been trained to use our tactics and weapons but they cut them off from spare parts for their M48 tanks, 90mm Ammo for their M48s, cut them off from spare parts for their American-Made Airplanes, cut them off from Mortar and artillery ammunition and even cut them off from 5.56mm ammo.

Meanwhile, the Soviets and the Chinese were arming the communists to the teeth.

In 1975, the North invade the South with 17 Divisions (more than the United States Army and Marine Corps combined have had on active duty at any time since WWII) and 900 Tanks.

In the age old classic style of mass and maneuver, they defeated the South Vietnamese in detail.

At the very end, 5,000 Vietnamese Rangers fought, and virtually destroyed, three North Vietnamese Divisions outside of Saigon.

They fought to the last man. Never retreating.

dimocraps stabbed them in the back. Just like you did in Iraq and like you'll do in Afghanistan.

I hate dimocraps. You are the scum of the Earth and I just hope I'm around when the time of reckoning comes

 

[rdean]

Right?

Al-Qaeda Live Tweet Attack On Police Station, Mall In Kirkuk, Iraq, Up To 70 Injured

Al Qaeda had a twitter account live tweeting the attack. We will not be linking to the account to give them any publicity. Despite requests to shut down the account, Twitter has not deleted the account as of this writing. The attack in the area is still ongoing and they are still tweeting. They are apparently holed up in the shopping mall.

There is video of the part of the attack. Warning in advance for graphic nature of violence.The camera crew is on the run with the police officers defending the police station.

(Edge: I'm not going to post it here.)

Via Daily Star:

Insurgents attack police headquarters in Iraq | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR

Kurdish anti-terror forces deployed in Kirkuk a few hours ago to eliminate Al Qaeda terrorists who had overrun a mall

BAGHDAD: Iraqi authorities say insurgents have attacked a security headquarters in a northern city, killing four people.

Police officials say the assault on Wednesday took place when a car bomb exploded at the gate of the Police Intelligence Department in the religiously-mixed city of Kirkuk. Later, suicide bomber entered the building and set off his explosive belt among police members.

A gunbattle between attackers and security forces erupted immediately after the bombings, said police. They said another 46 people were wounded.

Hospital officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to media, confirmed the casualty figure.

Wednesday’s attack came only one day after a similar assault on a mayor’s office in the Sunni town of Tarmiyah that left 10 people dead.

Edge:

Yeah, this would belong in another forum except for the fact that libs keep telling us how there's no al Qaeda in Iraq. Now or ever.

Funny. I bet there's some Kurds that might not agree

There was no al Qaeda in Iraq until Republicans threw open the doors and let them in turd on stilts. Liberals have always said that. Because it's true.

Not true.

TIMELINE: Zarqawi's road to perdition. - TIME

Hello, knock knock, did bother to read your link? Where does it say Saddam and al Qaeda worked together? Duh!

 

[Faun]

During the Vietnam war, United States forces in Vietnam reached the largest size in 1969, a year after the largest casualties of 1968. The Nixon administration adopted the policy of Vietnamization in order to strengthen South Vietnams ability to stand on its own without American troops on the ground. US forces were then withdrawn gradually during Nixon's first administration.

All the politicians who were for ending the war immediately or withdraw immediately without conditions were defeated in 1968. Nixon won the greatest landslide in American history in 1972 as he was loosening restrictions on US bombing raids over the north. But the democrats won a majority in congress and that proved to be the United States undoing in Vietnam.

The South Vietnamese military by the end of 1972 and repelled the Norths Easter Offensive with the aid of American air power. With continued US support for the South Vietnamese military and the aid of US Air Power, the North would NEVER have been able to take over the south.

But in 1973, the democratic led US congress began cutting money and supplies for the South Vietnamese Military. Then in August 1973, the democratic led congress successfully passed the Case Church amendment which cut all funds for any further US military activity in South East Asia, meaning that US Airpower would not be allowed to come to the aid of South Vietnam if there was a problem.

Finally in 1975, with the South Vietnamese starved for two years and the end of support from the US military, the North having been heavily supplied by their Chinese and Soviet Allies, were able to move in and defeat the unsupplied and poorly equipped South Vietnamese military that the United States had been forced to abandon because the Democratic led congress cut off all the funding and as well as any funding for more US military operations in the region!

THATS THE ONLY REASON WHY THE SOUTH VIETNAMESE LOST!



In Iraq, the United States did not fail. It successfully removed Saddam from power, and the government that the United States helped install in 2006, that of Nuri Al Maliki is still 8 years later running the country. The Iraqi military has proven itself capable of handling the security situation on the ground without the aid of American troops on the ground.

There has been a spike in killings in Iraq in 2013, but the numbers are still tiny compared to 2006. Iran and Iraq are closer today because SADDAM is gone, just as Iraq and Kuwait are closer today now that SADDAM is gone. Nearly every country in the world has better relations with Iraq today now that SADDAM is gone. That's not bad thing, that's a good thing.

In Afghanistan, whatever you alleged was removed was later placed back into Afghanistan. The number of US troops in Afghanistan continued to rise while the United States was fighting the war in Iraq. In 2002, there were 10,000 US troops in Afghanistan. In 2008, there were 35,000 troops in Afghanistan. In 2010, there were over 100,000 US troops in Afghanistan. These numbers have been drawn down now to 33,000 because the Afghan military been able to take over more of the fighting.

THE TALIBAN IS NOT IN CONTROL OF ANY MAJOR CITIES IN AFGHANISTAN! The TALIBAN DO NOT CONTROL ANY OF THE PROVINCIAL CAPITALS IN ANY OF THE 26 provinces. Any large concentrations of Taliban will be an are targeted by US combat aircraft and US drones. The Taliban continue to hide in the mountains and run over the border into Pakistan.

Talk about retarded of course Congress cut off funds for military activities. By the time they did, all of our combat troops had been withdrawn and the war was officially over. All that remained were advisors and military to guard U.S. installations.

Your lying, stupidity and ignorance are not out of the norm for a dimocrap scumbag.

Congress cut down everything to the Vietnamese to the point that the aid we gave them wasn't even worthwhile.

Congress WAS Responsible for Defeat in Indochina | A Troop, 3/17th Air Cavalry Silver Spur Blog

Their Army had been trained to use our tactics and weapons but they cut them off from spare parts for their M48 tanks, 90mm Ammo for their M48s, cut them off from spare parts for their American-Made Airplanes, cut them off from Mortar and artillery ammunition and even cut them off from 5.56mm ammo.

Meanwhile, the Soviets and the Chinese were arming the communists to the teeth.

In 1975, the North invade the South with 17 Divisions (more than the United States Army and Marine Corps combined have had on active duty at any time since WWII) and 900 Tanks.

In the age old classic style of mass and maneuver, they defeated the South Vietnamese in detail.

At the very end, 5,000 Vietnamese Rangers fought, and virtually destroyed, three North Vietnamese Divisions outside of Saigon.

They fought to the last man. Never retreating.

dimocraps stabbed them in the back. Just like you did in Iraq and like you'll do in Afghanistan.

I hate dimocraps. You are the scum of the Earth and I just hope I'm around when the time of reckoning comes

Herein lies the problem ... you're incapable of distinguishing the difference between me lying from you being a dumbass schmuck who doesn't know U.S. history. The reason you don't know the difference is because you're a dumbass schmuck.

Review what I wrote in my post and then compare it to historical facts. Feel free to point out where my post deviates ......

The United States negotiates a withdrawal

With the failure of their offensive, Hanoi leaders were finally ready to compromise. The United States had indicated as early as 1971 that it would not insist on the withdrawal of North Vietnamese forces from the South. Now Hanoi signaled in return that it would not insist on replacing Thieu with a coalition government. On the basis of these two concessions, Kissinger and North Vietnamese emissary*Le Duc Tho*secretly hammered out a complicated peace accord in October 1972. The Saigon government, however, balked at a peace agreement negotiated without its participation or consent and demanded important changes in the treaty. In November (following Nixon’s reelection), Kissinger returned to Paris with some 69 suggested changes to the agreement designed to satisfy Thieu. The North Vietnamese responded with anger, then with proposed changes of their own. Nixon, exasperated with what he saw as the North’s intransigence and also anxious to persuade Thieu to cooperate, ordered*B-52*bombers again to attack Hanoi. This so-called Christmas bombing was the most intense bombing campaign of the war. After eight days, the North Vietnamese agreed to return to Paris to sign an agreement essentially the same as that agreed upon in October. Thieu, reassured by a massive influx of U.S. military aid and by a combination of promises and threats from Nixon, reluctantly agreed to go along. On Jan. 27, 1973, the Agreement on Ending the War and Restoring Peace in Viet-Nam was signed by representatives of the South Vietnamese communist forces, North Vietnam, South Vietnam, and the United States. A cease-fire would go into effect the following morning throughout North and South Vietnam, and within 60 days all U.S. forces would be withdrawn, all U.S. bases dismantled, and all prisoners of war released. An international force would keep the peace, the South Vietnamese would have the right to determine their own future, and North Vietnamese troops could remain in the South but would not be reinforced. The 17th parallel would remain the dividing line until the country could be reunited by “peaceful means.”

The fall of South Vietnam

On March 29, 1973, the last U.S. military unit left Vietnam. By that time the communists and South Vietnamese were already engaged in what journalists labeled the “postwar war.” Both sides alleged, more or less accurately, that the other side was continuously violating the terms of the peace agreements. The United States maintained its program of extensive military aid to Saigon, but the president’s ability to influence events in Vietnam was being sharply curtailed. As Nixon’s personal standing crumbled under the weight of*Watergate*revelations, Congress moved to block any possibility of further military action in Vietnam. In the summer of 1973 Congress passed a measure prohibiting any U.S. military operations in or over Indochina after August 15.​

 

[Edgetho]

First off, lying bitch..... I was there.

Second, I followed the end of the War minute by minute, detail by detail.

I also helped out on the last Viet Cong Handbook to come out of the SWC.

Do you think I hate and despise dimocrap scum simply because of your politics?

FUCK politics. I really don't care about politics all that much.

What I do care about is when dimocrap scumbags, like you, stab an ally in the back and leave them to die by the millions because you are too cowardly and too dishonest to live up to your word and abide by your treaties.

You have no idea how much I despise you scumbags. None.

If it was one time....? Okay, an aberration..... Everybody makes mistakes. Everybody.

But it wasn't and it isn't.

You did it to the Vietnamese, you did it to Iraq, you're in the process of doing it to Israel and you'll do it to Afghanistan.

Because you are scumbags.

You people are the most cowardly, gutless, traitorous, back-stabbing cocksuckers to ever walk the face of the Earth.

So don't try to tell me about Viet Nam. I've written more on the subject than you've read, and I'm telling you...... dimocrap scum, like you, along with your leg-humping dogs in the DISGUSTING FILTH of the LSM stabbed the people of SE Asia in the back.

Nothing you say, nothing you do, can ever stop me from despising you with every fiber of my being and for all of eternity.

Dante's 9th Circle of Hell is waiting for you, scumbag

 

[Faun]

First off, lying bitch..... I was there.

Second, I followed the end of the War minute by minute, detail by detail.

I also helped out on the last Viet Cong Handbook to come out of the SWC.

Do you think I hate and despise dimocrap scum simply because of your politics?

FUCK politics. I really don't care about politics all that much.

What I do care about is when dimocrap scumbags, like you, stab an ally in the back and leave them to die by the millions because you are too cowardly and too dishonest to live up to your word and abide by your treaties.

You have no idea how much I despise you scumbags. None.

If it was one time....? Okay, an aberration..... Everybody makes mistakes. Everybody.

But it wasn't and it isn't.

You did it to the Vietnamese, you did it to Iraq, you're in the process of doing it to Israel and you'll do it to Afghanistan.

Because you are scumbags.

You people are the most cowardly, gutless, traitorous, back-stabbing cocksuckers to ever walk the face of the Earth.

So don't try to tell me about Viet Nam. I've written more on the subject than you've read, and I'm telling you...... dimocrap scum, like you, along with your leg-humping dogs in the DISGUSTING FILTH of the LSM stabbed the people of SE Asia in the back.

Nothing you say, nothing you do, can ever stop me from despising you with every fiber of my being and for all of eternity.

Dante's 9th Circle of Hell is waiting for you, scumbag

Like I give a shit that a fucking moron like you despises me.

Fucking moron ... Nixon ended the war, not the Congress. Nixon was the Commander-in-Chief, not the Congress. The Nixon administration negotiated the terms to withdraw U.S. troops, not the Congress. Nixon's Secretary of State signed the peace agreement, not the Congress. Nixon, as Commander-in-Chief, told the nation the war was over. 2 months later, Nixon withdrew all of the combat troops and then North Vietnam returned all of our POW's.

The war was over (at least for the U.S.) and it was Nixon who ended it, not the Congress.

The Case Church Amendment that you're referring to came many months later and was passed to make sure that Tricky Dick didn't try to send combat troops back into Vietnam to reignite our involvement in that war.

But by then, we were out of it. Nixon ended it.

 

[Edgetho]

You're a lying piece of fucking shit.

Do some research.

But the truth is..... You don't care. You really don't.

Every person I know who is intimately aware of how Viet Nam ended blames dimocrap scum. And rightfully so.

You people are cowards, traitors, scumbags and have a special place in Hell waiting for you.

Do you think I give FLYING FUCK about Richard Nixon, Frank Church or Cliff Case?

FUCK no. Not in the least.

What I care about is the FACT that dimocrap scum, like Frank Church, and turncoat scumbag RINOs like Cliff Case (who was only interested in getting re-elected) stabbed the people of SE Asia in the back and allowed the murders of MILLIONS of people.

Nixon was hardly blameless in the mess but dimocrap scum, along with their Pop Culture, dimocrap-fellating pals in the DISGUSTING FILTH of the LSM drove us to desert our former Allies and to not live up to the Peace Accords we signed just few Months earlier.

And you? You're just an ignorant fucking dimocrap scumbag who will defend ANYTHING dimocraps do because you're a cultist. You have no honor, no character and no belief system outside your blind loyalty to the most disgusting political party to ever exist.

Do the world a favor and kill yourself.

Nobody would care...... Or even notice. Just another loser that never did anything, never stood for anything and no one could ever rely on.

Typical dimocrap.

 

[Faun]

You're a lying piece of fucking shit.

Do some research.

But the truth is..... You don't care. You really don't.

Every person I know who is intimately aware of how Viet Nam ended blames dimocrap scum. And rightfully so.

You people are cowards, traitors, scumbags and have a special place in Hell waiting for you.

Do you think I give FLYING FUCK about Richard Nixon, Frank Church or Cliff Case?

FUCK no. Not in the least.

What I care about is the FACT that dimocrap scum, like Frank Church, and turncoat scumbag RINOs like Cliff Case (who was only interested in getting re-elected) stabbed the people of SE Asia in the back and allowed the murders of MILLIONS of people.

Nixon was hardly blameless in the mess but dimocrap scum, along with their Pop Culture, dimocrap-fellating pals in the DISGUSTING FILTH of the LSM drove us to desert our former Allies and to not live up to the Peace Accords we signed just few Months earlier.

And you? You're just an ignorant fucking dimocrap scumbag who will defend ANYTHING dimocraps do because you're a cultist. You have no honor, no character and no belief system outside your blind loyalty to the most disgusting political party to ever exist.

Do the world a favor and kill yourself.

Nobody would care...... Or even notice. Just another loser that never did anything, never stood for anything and no one could ever rely on.

Typical dimocrap.

You're a total fucking nut. It doesn't matter what you think of Nixon. The point is that it was Nixon who ended the war and Nixon was not a Democrat. What the Democrats did was to make certain the war remained ended. The rest of your brain-addled rant was worth a good chuckle though, so thanks for the laugh.

 

[Desperado]

First off whoever ended the Vietnam war should get a medal.... They actually listened to the will of the American people and ended a war that killed over 58,000 of our troops. Over what?
We were lied to to get us into this war (Gulf of Tokin), we should never have been there in the first place.

 

[asterism]

There was no al Qaeda in Iraq until Republicans threw open the doors and let them in turd on stilts. Liberals have always said that. Because it's true.

Not true.

TIMELINE: Zarqawi's road to perdition. - TIME

Hello, knock knock, did bother to read your link? Where does it say Saddam and al Qaeda worked together? Duh!

I never made that claim. You made the claim, "There was no al Qaeda in Iraq until Republicans threw open the doors and let them in turd on stilts," which is disproven by the link I provided.

You should try to keep track of your own statements.

 

[georgephillip]

Where does al-Qa'ida find its fighters in Iraq and Syria?

"By 1999 a UNICEF study concluded that half a million Iraqi children perished in the previous eight years because of the sanctions—and that was four years before they ended.

"Another American expert in 2003 estimated that the sanctions killed between 343,900 and 529,000 young children and infants–certainly more young people than were ever killed by Saddam Hussein.

"Beyond the deaths and wholesale destruction, the sanctions had another equally devastating but less visible impact, as documented early on by a group of Harvard medical researchers.

"They reported that four out of five children interviewed were fearful of losing their families; two-thirds doubted whether they themselves would survive to adulthood.

"They were 'the most traumatized children of war ever described.'

"The experts concluded that 'a majority of Iraq’s children would suffer from severe psychological problems throughout their lives.'”

The American Legacy in Iraq » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

What will the next generation of Iraqs inherit from a US military onslaught and rule that produced a massive increase of Sunni v Sh'ia violence as it has torn apart the very fiber of the Iraqi nation and state?

 

[U2Edge]

Saddam posed no threat to the free flow of oil and natural gas from the Persian Gulf after 1991, and he never posed as much of a threat as Wall Street speculators do today.

Wall Street speculators are unlikely to cause global economic depression. Saddam's potential seizure and sabotage of Kuwaiti and Saudi Arabian oil fields could in fact cause just that.

Care to explain how Saddam posed no threat to the free flow of oil and natural gas form the Persian Gulf?

Guess what, on the eve of the coalition invasion of Iraq in 2003, Saddam still had a military force of 400,000, with 2,700 tanks, 2,000 other armored vehicles, 2,000 artillery pieces, dozens of ballistic missiles and 300 combat aircraft. He also had the means to develop and produce chemical and biological weapons, even though he did not appear have them in his arsenal in March 2003. Kuwait is a small country and although Saddam had been weakened, military forces of that size are always a threat to a small country like Kuwait.

When the sanctions and embargo designed to help try and contain Saddam crumbled, the only other viable option was invasion and regime change and that is what happened!

The sanctions and embargo never crumbled, Iraq and its infrastructure did.

Then how was Saddam selling BILLIONS of dollars of oil on the black market by the summer of 2002:

Here is some reading you need to do to educate yourself on the crumbling of the sanctions and embargo on Iraq

"Syrian-Iraqi Trade Reached $2 Billion in 2001," Middle East News Agency, May 27, 2002

"Iraq Caught Smuggling Oil, UN Official Says," The Washington Post, October 26, 2001

Michael Slackman, "Oil Barrels Fuel Baghdad's Clout in the Region" Los Angeles Times, May 8, 2002

Gary C. Gambill, "Iraq Returns to the Regional Stage," Middle East Intelligence Bulletin, vol. 2, no. 9 (October 5, 2000)

Nicholas Berry, "China , Fiber-Optics and Iraq," Center for Defense Information, February 26, 2001

Freedman and Stecklow, "How Iraq Reaps Illegal Oil Profits," p. A1

"Dancing On Sanctions Grave," Middle East Economic Digest, December 8, 2000

"Delhi Company Fuelled Iraq's Weapons System," Daily IRNA, June 6, 2002

Susan Blaustein and John Fawcett, "Sources of Revenue for Saddam & Sons, Inc.," Coalition for International Justice, draft manuscript, June 28, 2002, pp. 24-45

"The Oil 'Top-Off': Another Way Iraq Cheats UN," The Wall Street Journal, May 2, 2002

"Iraq Accused of Smuggling Illegal Oil," Los Angeles Times, October 26, 2001

"Illegal Oil Surcharges Earn Baghdad Extra $300 Million," Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, May 10, 2002

"Iraq Earned $6 Billion Illegally," Associated Press, May 29, 2002

"Turkey: Iraqi Diesal Trade Seen as Too Valuable to Stop," Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, August 4, 2000

"Indian Arrested for Allegedly Exporting Arms Material to Iraq," Associated Press, June 6, 2002

"US Shifts Attack on Iraq Trade; Border States Seen as Key to Enforcing Sanctions," The Washington Post, March 26, 2001

"The Baghdad Dilemma," Middle East Economic Digest January 18, 2002

The Economist Intelligence Unit, "EIU Country Report: Iraq," March 2002

 

[U2Edge]

Saddam posed no threat to the free flow of oil and natural gas from the Persian Gulf after 1991, and he never posed as much of a threat as Wall Street speculators do today.

Wall Street speculators are unlikely to cause global economic depression. Saddam's potential seizure and sabotage of Kuwaiti and Saudi Arabian oil fields could in fact cause just that.

Care to explain how Saddam posed no threat to the free flow of oil and natural gas form the Persian Gulf?

Guess what, on the eve of the coalition invasion of Iraq in 2003, Saddam still had a military force of 400,000, with 2,700 tanks, 2,000 other armored vehicles, 2,000 artillery pieces, dozens of ballistic missiles and 300 combat aircraft. He also had the means to develop and produce chemical and biological weapons, even though he did not appear have them in his arsenal in March 2003. Kuwait is a small country and although Saddam had been weakened, military forces of that size are always a threat to a small country like Kuwait.

When the sanctions and embargo designed to help try and contain Saddam crumbled, the only other viable option was invasion and regime change and that is what happened!

After the killing of 500,000 children inside Iraq due to sanctions even Kuwait feared Saddam less than an ascendant Iran without Saddam as a buffer, and, guess what, that is exactly what they and the Saudis got.

I know you are SADDAM's biggest defender, but the deaths of any Iraqi children during the 1990s are the responsibility of one person, SADDAM. SADDAM sold UN huminatarian aid sent to him to other countries in order to make money. UN huminatarian aid meant for Iraqi civilians showed up on the market in Jordan. Once again, more evidence of the crumbling of sanctions and the embargo and SADDAM's willingness to abuse people in his country in order to make a profit.

IF KUWAIT WAS MORE AFRAID OF IRAN AND PREFERED SADDAM TO REMAIN IN POWER WHY DID KUWAIT SUPPORT AND HELP LAUNCH THE INVASION TO REMOVE SADDAM FROM POWER?

I challenge you to find me one Kuwaiti government official opposed to Saddam's removal and more fearful of Iran and SADDDAM's Iraq which actually invaded Kuwait, annexed it, and burned all its oil wells and dumped much of its oil into the PERSIAN GULF. YOU CAN'T ignore those facts and makes up an idea like Kuwait wanting SADDAM to stay in power! LOL

Saudi Oil was never taken off line thanks to US military intervention, but Iraqi and Kuwaiti oil were off line for most of the early 1990s thanks to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and destruction of Kuwaiti oil infrastructure. THATS NOT A DELUSION, THATS A FACT!

 

[U2Edge]

Saddam posed no threat to the free flow of oil and natural gas from the Persian Gulf after 1991, and he never posed as much of a threat as Wall Street speculators do today.

Wall Street speculators are unlikely to cause global economic depression. Saddam's potential seizure and sabotage of Kuwaiti and Saudi Arabian oil fields could in fact cause just that.

Care to explain how Saddam posed no threat to the free flow of oil and natural gas form the Persian Gulf?

Guess what, on the eve of the coalition invasion of Iraq in 2003, Saddam still had a military force of 400,000, with 2,700 tanks, 2,000 other armored vehicles, 2,000 artillery pieces, dozens of ballistic missiles and 300 combat aircraft. He also had the means to develop and produce chemical and biological weapons, even though he did not appear have them in his arsenal in March 2003. Kuwait is a small country and although Saddam had been weakened, military forces of that size are always a threat to a small country like Kuwait.

When the sanctions and embargo designed to help try and contain Saddam crumbled, the only other viable option was invasion and regime change and that is what happened!

Why do you suppose none of those 300 aircraft took part in combat?
Why do you think Saddam's tanks and conscripts posed the slightest speed bump to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world?
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Because the United States launched an attack that successfully grounded those aircraft in the early days of the conflict. As for Saddam's military, the United States had the iniative and SADDAM failed to adequately prepare the battlefield for his troops because he did not believe the United States would launch a ground invasion into Iraq all the way up to Baghdad.

In future years though, had Saddam not been removed in 2003, those aircraft, tanks and other equipment become part of a SADDAM Iraqi military machine engaged in attempting to reverse the events of 1991.

Again, Kuwait is a small country in very close proximity to Iraq which still had large military forces in 2003. The success of the US military invasion of 2003, does not at all negate the threat those Iraqi military forces posed to Kuwait, especially if they attack first given them the initiative.

 

[U2Edge]

U2Edge is indeed a failed neo-con.

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Talk about retarded of course Congress cut off funds for military activities. By the time they did, all of our combat troops had been withdrawn and the war was officially over. All that remained were advisors and military to guard U.S. installations.

The United States could quickly move air assets into the region to bomb any North Vietnamese concentrations of infantry, armor, and artillery, just as it did during the NVA Easter Offensive of 1972. In order to prevent that from happening should the NVA launch a major offensive against the south again, the Democrat congress passed the CASE CHURCH AMENDMENT in August 1973. This amendement prevented any funds for FUTURE US military activity in Vietnam, for example large scale US aircraft bombing NVA military units as they came south in 1975 which with the the South Vietnamese military on the ground would have stopped the offensive and saved South Vietnam just as the same operations did in 1972. The Democratic controlled congress wanted to prevent that from happening and they succeeded by passing the amendment with a veto proof majority.

A treaty was signed, but the North Vietnamese had no intention of abiding by the treaty. Their only goal was to get Americans out of South Vietnam in order to increase the probablility that they could overrun the country and take it. The United States new about this possibility and had an agreement to come to the souths aid if that happened, but since CONGRESS controls spending, the congress prevented the President from coming to the aid of the South Vietnamese when their situation became dire in 1975.

Also, I'm talking about foreign aid and military aid for South Vietnam itself. Congress cut that aid as well. That meant South Vietnamese military units ran out of ammo and fuel for fighting prior to the Norths invasion in 1975.

 

[U2Edge]

First off, lying bitch..... I was there.

Second, I followed the end of the War minute by minute, detail by detail.

I also helped out on the last Viet Cong Handbook to come out of the SWC.

Do you think I hate and despise dimocrap scum simply because of your politics?

FUCK politics. I really don't care about politics all that much.

What I do care about is when dimocrap scumbags, like you, stab an ally in the back and leave them to die by the millions because you are too cowardly and too dishonest to live up to your word and abide by your treaties.

You have no idea how much I despise you scumbags. None.

If it was one time....? Okay, an aberration..... Everybody makes mistakes. Everybody.

But it wasn't and it isn't.

You did it to the Vietnamese, you did it to Iraq, you're in the process of doing it to Israel and you'll do it to Afghanistan.

Because you are scumbags.

You people are the most cowardly, gutless, traitorous, back-stabbing cocksuckers to ever walk the face of the Earth.

So don't try to tell me about Viet Nam. I've written more on the subject than you've read, and I'm telling you...... dimocrap scum, like you, along with your leg-humping dogs in the DISGUSTING FILTH of the LSM stabbed the people of SE Asia in the back.

Nothing you say, nothing you do, can ever stop me from despising you with every fiber of my being and for all of eternity.

Dante's 9th Circle of Hell is waiting for you, scumbag

Like I give a shit that a fucking moron like you despises me.

Fucking moron ... Nixon ended the war, not the Congress. Nixon was the Commander-in-Chief, not the Congress. The Nixon administration negotiated the terms to withdraw U.S. troops, not the Congress. Nixon's Secretary of State signed the peace agreement, not the Congress. Nixon, as Commander-in-Chief, told the nation the war was over. 2 months later, Nixon withdrew all of the combat troops and then North Vietnam returned all of our POW's.

The war was over (at least for the U.S.) and it was Nixon who ended it, not the Congress.

The Case Church Amendment that you're referring to came many months later and was passed to make sure that Tricky Dick didn't try to send combat troops back into Vietnam to reignite our involvement in that war.

But by then, we were out of it. Nixon ended it.

Congress controls the spending and it was congress that PREVENTED further military action in Vietnam by preventing funds for it. There for, congress ended it, NOT NIXON! The US obiligated by its treaty with South Vietnam to come to its aid, but couldn't because congress prevented any spending for that after the summer of 1973.