Alang1216 writes from
post 6
- Climate changes. It always has and always will. In the past, NYC was under 100s of feet of ice. That has changed.
- Glaciers around the world are generally retreating, pointing to a global temperature rise.
- The rising temperatures may be natural or man-made but it doesn't matter, the effects will be the same.
- Anything we do to mitigate rising temperatures will have the same success, regardless of the cause.
- If we make reasonable efforts to make the world energy use more efficient and rising temperatures are real, we may mitigate its' worst effects, if rising temperatures are not real, we have made the world a richer place.
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My line by line reply:
1) Everyone knows Climate changes, so why do warmists keep saying skeptics are climate change deniers, they do it because it is about politics, trying to force a stupid socialism program onto the people in the pretended effort to combat a non existent problem. You saw what Political Chick posted about what various people say, Eden Offenhoffer was very specific about what they really want to do.
Quote from
post 3:
“Ottmar Edenhofer, lead author of the IPCC's fourth summary report released in 2007, speaking in 2010 advised: "One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.
Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world's wealth."
Quote from Post 5:
"Christine Stewart, Canada's former Minister of the Environment said: "No matter if
the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits. ... Climate change (provides) the greatest chance to bring about
justice and equality in the world."
You going to continue to ignore them Alang?
2) Generally they are in retreat,
but doesn't matter since CO2 isn't causing it. However warmists routinely ignore hard evidence that glaciers over all are growing since the beginning of the Negative insolation around 3,000 B.C.
Mt. Logan (#2 tallest Mt. in North America) most of the glaciers there is only 300 years old and growing, there are some fragments of 8,000 year old ice there that survived the interglacial period.
A Glacier in Northern Greenland didn't exist 6,000 years ago, the Hans Tausen Ice cap in Peary land.
Mt. Churchill in east Alaska, was free of ice before 500 A.D, it is now about 1,500 foot thick by 40 miles long.
Fremont Glacier in Wyoming is not even 300 year old, it is at 43 degrees north, a disturbing sign that the interglacial phase is decaying into a new Glaciation phase.
3) The warming phase is short and dominantly natural, that is what EMPIRICAL data tells us. It is good for the life of the planet too with the of increase CO2 in the atmosphere, life is responding by increasing productivity with more land becoming green.
4) Why do you want to fight natural warming? which will end soon when the forces of Nature changes to a cooling phase. This is what bothers me is the idea that a warmer Earth is bad for us when it is actually GOOD for us, heck we lived through the predicted year 2100 modeling temperature guesses easily just 8,000 years ago when the world in general was around 2-3C warmer than now. It was even warmer in the previous interglacial period
Eemian when it was a LOT warmer than now. Polar Bears and Humans survived it well.
5) America is already the world most efficient user of energy, the rest of the world is laboring under daft climate action laws and resolutions have difficulty keeping up. Rising temperatures is temporary since the underlying trend since the Minoan times is COOLING.
If the western world would stop trying to prevent Africa and Asia from using proven stable energy sources, they will become richer and healthier, buy quiche eating ecoloony scumbags are trying hard to deny it. You one of them?
You should stop being easily lied too and learn to think logically and factually.
Propaganda should be avoided, why don't you try?
