ReinyDays
Gold Member
As I understand it, there are multiple natural climate cycles of varying time frames. I don't ignore that, what worries me is that man has added new influences, CO2, CH4, deforestation, etc. There are studies that show there is a coming calamity and studies that show it just smoke and mirrors. What is undisputed is that the majority of climate scientists believe there is a crisis looming. I'm not a tin-hat type so I have trouble believing there is some conspiracy knowingly or unknowingly perpetuated by the scientific community. On the other side, I see the deniers as starting from an religious or ideological mindset and viewing the data from that perspective.
Anyone who tells me they know how these climatic influences will play out in the future is suspect but, since the threat may be an existential one, it shouldn't be ignored.
I can agree with you on most of this ... "multiple natural climate cycles of varying time frames" is spot-on correct and we know very little about these, and I'll even go as far as saying there are climate oscillations yet to be discovered, thus cannot be included in the climate model runs ... and I can agree that new innovations that effect the environment are worrisome, but that has to be balanced against the positive effect on the human condition ... is a small temperature increase 100 years from now more problematic that 1.6 billion people going without electric service today? ... no refrigeration, cooking with wood every meal, and no prosperity in sight ... it's inhuman enough to not bother helping all these people, but are we seriously going to interfere and see that they never have electric power ... that's evil ... let's have a 16-year-old Congolese girl speak to the UN about gathering firewood sun-up to sun-down everyday ... and that's why she can't go to school to learn to read and write ...
I think you need to be careful ... it's flat untrue that a majority of climatologist believe a crisis is coming ... you seem to have confused believing humans contribute to global warming with "crisis" ... this is the type of things we've been arguing about these past few days, we see barrier islands come and go, if we extrapolate along a quartic curve we can see miles of coastal properties swept away, but that's completely unrealistic, that material has to go someplace and always it's re-deposited making new islands ... always ...
You might be shocked at how many people still believe in hypercanes and hockey sticks ... those terms should never have entered the conversation ... do we who know better have any obligation to correct these terrible mistakes? ... positive feedback violates the Laws of Thermodynamics unless it can be explained why it doesn't in every little detail, we can put positive feedback right there with perpetual motion as far as our future outlook in concerned ... I'm sorry, adding a $1 per gallon carbon tax to gasoline is NO solution to what little problem there actual is, and only further impoverishes the poor ... I'm going to fight on, and I have empirical evidence on my side ...