There goes that 'there are no victims in homosexuality' argument...

[HorhayAtAMD]

I hear, er, read you...but I don't agree...Homosexuals, because they have given in to their lusts/degenerate behavior regarding sex, are more likely to give into their lusts involving children.

You don't agree with the very premous of my argument - nobody IS a homosexual...A homosexual IS as a homosexual does. Homosexuals - by their actions, are people who cannot control their lusts/drive to engage in those acts. Thus, the married father who molests a boy has sexual urges he chooses not to control or seek help for. If he was NOT attracted to. and preyed upon that boy, the boy would have been spared.

By suggesting that homosexuality is defined by the inability to control your lust for the same sex, you suggest that heterosexuality is defined by the ability to control that lust for the same sex. Do you have feelings of lust for other men? Are you able to control them? If so, congratulations, you are a heterosexual!

Sorry for sounding facetious but I would guess that you, like me, have never really had the urge to sleep with other men. We don't have any feelings of lust to control so right there, there is a difference between us and homosexuals. I will agree that giving into those lusts is a lifestyle choice, but having them is not. I would also suggest that giving into any lustful desire for sex is a bad thing. It is the lust that is bad, not the person you lust for. If I told you that my aunt and my... aunt didn't have sex for months after they started dating, but my friend had a one night stand last month with some girl he picked up at a bar, who is being lustful and who is being responsible?

In the end, a sexual relationship can be entered responsibly and irresponsibly. To condemn all of homosexuality simply because some large percentage of homosexuals have irresponsible sex without condeming all of heterosexuality for doing the exact same thing reeks of hypocrisy to me.

 

[OCA]

It's a myth perpetrated by the religious right to justify the bigotry against homosexuals. With all the bullshit spin you catch liberals trying to put on political issues, I'm really surprised you can't see this. I guess it's because you want it to be true so badly.

What spin? YOU CAN'T SPIN STATISTICS UNLESS YOU OUTRIGHT LIE ABOUT THEM. Are you telling me the national institute of health is lying?

 

[MissileMan]

What spin? YOU CAN'T SPIN STATISTICS UNLESS YOU OUTRIGHT LIE ABOUT THEM. Are you telling me the national institute of health is lying?

You absolutely can spin statistics, as is the case here. The studies have shown that 25% of pedophilia victims are boys who were molested by men. Since gays make up only 5% of the population, those opposed to homosexuality have used those 2 figures ALONE to allege that homosexuals are more likely to go after kids. There is a third factor that was presented by someone on your side of the argument, and one which I have yet seen disputed, that a male pedophile who targets boys will produce 7 times the number of victims as a male who targets females. Using ALL of the statistics, it comes out that 4.8% of pedophiles are males who target boys.

I have not seen any study to explain why male on boy pedophiles have 7 times the number of victims, but I can think of some reasons, including they may get away with it longer because boys are too embarrassed to report the abuse.

The bottom line is this. I make a distinction between someone who wants to have sex with an adult and someone who wants to have sex with a child.

 

[Gunny]

If trying to decide whether or not you should be worried about the homosexual next door molesting your child, don't you think the more important question is "just what percentage of homosexuals are in fact pedophiles"?

I would hazard a guess that a huge percentage of all pedophilia cases are committed by a male within the extended family so does that mean that a huge percentage of the men in your child's extended family are pedophiles? Of course not! The truth is that a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of all homosexuals are pedophiles, even if a large percentage of pedophiles are homosexual.

In fact, I could even say that you have failed to show cause and effect. You are assuming it is homosexuality that causes pedophilia. What if it is actually pedophilia that increases your chances of being homosexual?

I merely tossed out a question concerning the statistics, and the motive(s) for clouding the issue. Cause and effect are nothing but conjecture, EVEN WHEN you turn the argument around ( ), without accurate/unbiased data on which to base them.

I contend that the mediocrity of political correctness has paralyzed any effort to objectively study the issue. Proponents are so afraid of failure, they will not risk succeeding.

Until such a time as someone runs the BS flag up the pole and calls things as they are, there is little but conjecture and propaganda to go by.

 

[Destroyed@40]

If he wasn't gay...then Davry Chen's life would not have been destroyed.

How do I know...I know because 25 years earlier Richard Dunn had committed the same exact crimes with a 9 year old boy from Massachusetts. The devastating fact that still looms today is that Richard Dunn committed those crimes on a daily basis for 5 years and never was held accountable for such crimes. There was no headlines, there were no police and there was no victory for that child.

If I may, I will tell the story that could have saved Davry's innocence. A failure attributed to an expectation and a trust, that given a chance, pedophelia is a sickness that can be treated and controlled. That all one must do is support and treat the pedophile (as it is thought to be a sickness).

To gain the full perspective of the single-minded and life destroying acts that Richard Dunn was capable of, a detailed profile must be identified. to do so I was acknowledge that I am the boy that was raped, beaten and kidknapped by Richard 25 years before Davry.

I was 1 of 4 children living in a two bedroom apartment with a single mother and an income well below poverty. Richard was introduced to me as a "Big Brother" when my 2 older brothers were killed in a car accident in 1978. It was belived at the time that Richard would be able to aide me while I recovered from the loss of my 2 hero's and my two older brothers. It takes a certain kind of a human being to come into a low income family that had just loss the two eldest boys (16 and 17) to a tragic car accident. With the skill of a master he positioned himself into the my life and subsequentley raped and beat me on a daily basis. I was 9 years old. I had just lost my 2 older brothers. My mother was dealing with the loss of two children with no support from another parent. Richard would beat me daily and when i would show any sign of running away, he would threaten to kill the rest of my family. What's a 9 year old "man" supposed to do. So living a life of confusion and a life of fear for nearly 5 years I finally found the strength to stand up to Richard. My reward was to be beat, 'hog tied" and placed in a trunk to be brought to what I belived would be my death. So inside the trunk I wrestled away my restraints and was able to pop the trunk from inside and run away until the police arrived. Still I was the strong son, I was the popular student and I followed the lie. Fortunately for me the detectives were insightful and probed the situation. I finally let it all out...I had been keeping an aweful secret. I had been living in pure fear and pure shame for almost 5 years. But I saved my mother. Little did I know that she was always safe but what does a boy know. he knows he loves his mother, he knows that he lost his heroes, he knows that...well actually he doesn't know much of anything because a mojor part of his developmental years were spent being manipulated, beat and raped. It's sad to think thats all he knew.

So because I am graphic in my explanations of the past 4 to 5 years it is thought that the sexual encounters were at some level consensual. Wow! It truly is a devastating fact to be labeled as a consenting sex partner from the age of 9, but that's how it was reported. Imagine if you will. I had been raped from the age of 9. Now that I had the guts to stand up to this predator and try to gain freedom, my reward is to be called an active participant. Almost as devastating as being raped!

The end result being Richard receiving an extremely short sentence and ultimately another opportunity to destroy a life. For people that have never gone through the being the victim of a predator it is hard to explain. But this is a level all in its own. This man stepped in when my brothers died and deceived everyone. They all thought he was great. I guess i am a great actor. He literally raped me hundreds of times....he beat me more. He tried to kidknap me once...my life will never be OK. I will never be right. At 40 years old I wake up sweating in tears, afraid to roll over in my own bed because I "know" he's there. My life ended at 9 but Davry's didn'y have to....for all you people who believe there is hope for these people I beg you to listen. For all you people who belive in the notion that this can be treated, I beg you to listen. Davry's life could have been saved....all society had to do is use common sense. There is not a 9 year old in the world that consensual sex....pedophiles "never" recover but worse of all...the VICTIMS never recover.

My life is a failure....my body just a shell of a human. There are wrongs in this world that can never be righted...I just told one.

Please listen....no all homosexuals rape little boys. It doesn't change the fact, if the pedophile wasn't homosexual then he wouldn't touch little boys.

If this offends some then I say to them...I would love to trade their offense for my devastation. So tough! I will NEVER be OK and it becasue a homosexual found a 9 year old boy devastated from losing his brother attractive. Think about it please.

I apologize for the roughness of this letter as there is a lot of emotion involved here...I am unable to even proof read as these memories are hard even at 40.

When given the opportunity....save the next Davry. Please

 

[Father Time]

Because being attracted to the opposite sex means you will kidnap and murder a child.

Sorry I don't see the connection.

Oh wait there isn't any you just want to exploit this tragedy.

Edit: Gah why was this thread resurrected? If he wasn't gay he wouldn't have gone after boys, so what? It sure as fuck doesn't make any kind of statement about all gays. Wouldn't it be even better if he wasn't a pedophile or a rapist?

 

[Emma]

If the guy wasn't 'gay' - he wouldn't have abducted that boy. Cause and Effect. Because the guy enjoyed ramming into the butt of another male, he found a boy to attack. If the guy did NOT enjoy such behavior, that boy would have been safe.

Dear God, you're stupid.

 

[California Girl]

The OP was posted in 2004.

 

[Emma]

The OP was posted in 2004.

Yeah I noticed that when I googled the case.

 

[Dr Gregg]

:-/

KING COUNTY - First he asked for a plea bargain.

Then he fired his attorney.

Now Richard Dunn says he did not kidnap and molest a young boy.

After three years of delays, Dunn is finally on trial. Thursday, he told KOMO 4 News this is a case of mistaken identity.

"The state has the burden of proof, says Richard Dunn.

He is accused of kidnapping and molesting a first grader.

"Are you telling me that you're innocent?" asks KOMO 4 News reporter Michelle Esteban. "Yes, I'm innocent!" he replied

In June of 2001, when police found a 6-year-old under a blanket in Dunn's bed, the boy was bruised, bound and gagged.

Prosecutors says they found Dunn's DNA on the boy's body and in his clothes. It leads them to believe Dunn molested the boy.

"The defendant kidnapped the boy for his own personal and sexual gratification," says Senior Deputy Prosecutor Scott O'Toole.

But Dunn insists he didn't do it and doesn't know how the boy got in his bed.

"He said, 'I don't know nothing about that kid,' " says O'Toole.

Dunn's attorney says it's not so cut and dry. When police asked if the boy if he was sexually assaulted, the 6-year-old said no.

"I believe when the facts are brought out, there will be reasonable doubt," says Nick Marchi, Dunn's attorney.

But O'Toole says under case law, he can prove Dunn not only snatched the boy from a nearby playground, but held him hostage in his bedroom for sex just by establishing the presence of Dunn's DNA on the victim.

O'Toole says another man -- Dunn's former lover -- will testify that Dunn had a penchant for young boys, especially when he was under stress.

"The thing he would consistently say when he was stressed was, 'I need a boy, I need a boy to relieve my stress,' " says O'Toole.

On June 20, the day the boy disappeared, O'Toole says Richard Dunn was stressed. His partner of 10 years had just left him. The prosecution says Dunn not only needed a boy that day -- he found one.

Dunn is also charged with possession of child pornography.

Prosecutors say 63,000 images of children being sexually abused were on his computer.

The trial could last 3 weeks.

If the guy wasn't 'gay' - he wouldn't have abducted that boy. Cause and Effect. Because the guy enjoyed ramming into the butt of another male, he found a boy to attack. If the guy did NOT enjoy such behavior, that boy would have been safe.

Oh boy, the idiocy of people. Many molesters are not even gay. But I know, that would require the OP to have a functioning brain and think of all the complexities in life.

 

[rightwinger]

LMAO at him being gay the cause of this...to think him being gay is related to him being a pedophile. No that is just slanderous to the gay comunity. Him being sick is him...not because he's gay. as the many people before me have said, had he not been gay it just would of been a little girl.

NAMBLA, gay organization. Only group to advocate relationships between adults and minors.

NAMBLA is a right wing boogy man used to label homosexuals as child molesters. Even in its heyday twenty years ago, it was more media hype than substance. Today it is questionable whether NAMBLA even exists

More recently, media reports have suggested that for practical purposes the group no longer exists and that it consists only of a web site maintained by a few enthusiasts. NAMBLA maintains a web site that shows addresses in New York and San Francisco and a phone contact in New York, and offers publications for sale, including the NAMBLA Bulletin.

 

[eagleseven]

Digging up a 4-year-old thread? Someone has a chip on his shoulder...

 

[bodecea]

:-/

KING COUNTY - First he asked for a plea bargain.

Then he fired his attorney.

Now Richard Dunn says he did not kidnap and molest a young boy.

After three years of delays, Dunn is finally on trial. Thursday, he told KOMO 4 News this is a case of mistaken identity.

"The state has the burden of proof, says Richard Dunn.

He is accused of kidnapping and molesting a first grader.

"Are you telling me that you're innocent?" asks KOMO 4 News reporter Michelle Esteban. "Yes, I'm innocent!" he replied

In June of 2001, when police found a 6-year-old under a blanket in Dunn's bed, the boy was bruised, bound and gagged.

Prosecutors says they found Dunn's DNA on the boy's body and in his clothes. It leads them to believe Dunn molested the boy.

"The defendant kidnapped the boy for his own personal and sexual gratification," says Senior Deputy Prosecutor Scott O'Toole.

But Dunn insists he didn't do it and doesn't know how the boy got in his bed.

"He said, 'I don't know nothing about that kid,' " says O'Toole.

Dunn's attorney says it's not so cut and dry. When police asked if the boy if he was sexually assaulted, the 6-year-old said no.

"I believe when the facts are brought out, there will be reasonable doubt," says Nick Marchi, Dunn's attorney.

But O'Toole says under case law, he can prove Dunn not only snatched the boy from a nearby playground, but held him hostage in his bedroom for sex just by establishing the presence of Dunn's DNA on the victim.

O'Toole says another man -- Dunn's former lover -- will testify that Dunn had a penchant for young boys, especially when he was under stress.

"The thing he would consistently say when he was stressed was, 'I need a boy, I need a boy to relieve my stress,' " says O'Toole.

On June 20, the day the boy disappeared, O'Toole says Richard Dunn was stressed. His partner of 10 years had just left him. The prosecution says Dunn not only needed a boy that day -- he found one.

Dunn is also charged with possession of child pornography.

Prosecutors say 63,000 images of children being sexually abused were on his computer.

The trial could last 3 weeks.

If the guy wasn't 'gay' - he wouldn't have abducted that boy. Cause and Effect. Because the guy enjoyed ramming into the butt of another male, he found a boy to attack. If the guy did NOT enjoy such behavior, that boy would have been safe.

I cannot help but wonder how much you or anyone else would have cared if he'd done it to a girl...as happens MOST of the time.

 

[RadiomanATL]

2004? Really? Someone waited that long in order to get the last word in?


Really?


Hoe-leee shit. Guy's got more patience than me.

 

[Father Time]

yeah no kidding, when this was posted people were wondering if kerry was going to win the election.

The TC hasn't posted anything since 2007, so let's let this stupid topic die.

 

[paperview]

2004? Really? Someone waited that long in order to get the last word in?


Really?


Hoe-leee shit. Guy's got more patience than me.

 

[ACG22]

The OP uses some... uh, interesting?... logic, but it's not very convincing. As one poster said, he raped that boy because he is a rapist, not because he's homosexual. And just about anyone experienced with psych profiles of such criminals knows this.

But hey, when your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.