There are no viable alternatives

[XponentialChaos]

Trump is the GOP. He is what the GOP has secretly desired to be, ever since they started letting the Democrats eat their lunch.

Bingo.

 

[HandleTheTruth]

The first thing Reagan did was promise every State Senator campaign support in return for elimination municipal laws protecting minorities and replaced them with Japanese and Chinese business visas.
Then Reagan did the same to US citizens.
Don't bother arguing as I was working on Wall Street in 1981 and on and saw what happened.

Wall Street huh.

Sp you are saying Reagan was a sell out. I can respect that.

But darn he could give a speech and Republicans lived him. Because they agreed with him.

 

[lg325]

At this point in our country's history, we have become widely-divided along two equal polar opposites. There are no feasible alternatives, and there is no middle ground. While the Democrat Party has moved strongly toward cultural Marxism since 2010, the GOP has shifted strongly toward American Nationalism. I cite 2010 as the symbolic starting point, as that was not only during the first term of Barack Obama, that was also the birth of the American Tea Party Movement.

While there have been occasional third-party candidates during Presidential elections, none of them have been proven to be unique or practical. The Ron Paul-style libertarian parties have mostly shared the same core values as the GOP: The US as a Constitutional Republic, personal liberties, the rights of the individual, smaller government, lower taxes, etc. At the same time, what third parties catered to Democrat voters, have generally been left-leaning: The Bernie bros, CPUSA, Green Party, Socialist Party USA, etc.

Now there are some folks who would claim that their own personal political views are a mixture of both ideologies. But the fact is, you are what you vote. Most people vote for one side or the other, or don't vote at all. I'm not saying one shouldn't be allowed to vote for a Vermin Supreme or a Jill Stein, that is God-given Constitutional right. But the fact is, we are basically a two-party system. Some use the term "Uniparty", but that is a fallacy. There are distinct and marked differences between the two parties in this country, even though similarities are occasionally pointed out. But the differences far outweigh the similarities, even to the casual observer or someone not familiar with our form of government.

I myself prefer to be aligned with the American Nationalist side of the political spectrum, or the GOP. That choice is based on 71 years of personal experience, was well as the core values I have chosen. I will say that I was originally a Democrat. My parents were Democrats. My Grandparents were Democrats, as were their parents and Grandparents. But as I grew older, gained more life's experiences, and started paying attention, I noticed the direction the Democrat Party was going. And what it had become even 22 year ago, was 180 degrees out of phase with what I believed in.

And that's my pronunciamento for the day.

Now for the obligatory citation and references, so hopefully this thread won't get flushed.

"This comparison examines the differences between the policies and political positions of the Democratic and Republican parties on major issues such as taxes, the role of government, entitlements (Social Security, Medicare), gun control, immigration, healthcare, abortion, environmental policy and regulation. These two parties dominate America's political landscape but differ greatly in their philosophies and ideals..."

Democrat vs Republican - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

At this point in our country's history, we have become widely-divided along two equal polar opposites. There are no feasible alternatives, and there is no middle ground. While the Democrat Party has moved strongly toward cultural Marxism since 2010, the GOP has shifted strongly toward American Nationalism. I cite 2010 as the symbolic starting point, as that was not only during the first term of Barack Obama, that was also the birth of the American Tea Party Movement.

While there have been occasional third-party candidates during Presidential elections, none of them have been proven to be unique or practical. The Ron Paul-style libertarian parties have mostly shared the same core values as the GOP: The US as a Constitutional Republic, personal liberties, the rights of the individual, smaller government, lower taxes, etc. At the same time, what third parties catered to Democrat voters, have generally been left-leaning: The Bernie bros, CPUSA, Green Party, Socialist Party USA, etc.

Now there are some folks who would claim that their own personal political views are a mixture of both ideologies. But the fact is, you are what you vote. Most people vote for one side or the other, or don't vote at all. I'm not saying one shouldn't be allowed to vote for a Vermin Supreme or a Jill Stein, that is God-given Constitutional right. But the fact is, we are basically a two-party system. Some use the term "Uniparty", but that is a fallacy. There are distinct and marked differences between the two parties in this country, even though similarities are occasionally pointed out. But the differences far outweigh the similarities, even to the casual observer or someone not familiar with our form of government.

I myself prefer to be aligned with the American Nationalist side of the political spectrum, or the GOP. That choice is based on 71 years of personal experience, was well as the core values I have chosen. I will say that I was originally a Democrat. My parents were Democrats. My Grandparents were Democrats, as were their parents and Grandparents. But as I grew older, gained more life's experiences, and started paying attention, I noticed the direction the Democrat Party was going. And what it had become even 22 year ago, was 180 degrees out of phase with what I believed in.

And that's my pronunciamento for the day.

Now for the obligatory citation and references, so hopefully this thread won't get flushed.

"This comparison examines the differences between the policies and political positions of the Democratic and Republican parties on major issues such as taxes, the role of government, entitlements (Social Security, Medicare), gun control, immigration, healthcare, abortion, environmental policy and regulation. These two parties dominate America's political landscape but differ greatly in their philosophies and ideals..."

Democrat vs Republican - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

Like you, my family on both mom and dad's side were democrats going back to the 19th century. Judging by the link information I come out 50/50 as far as stand on issues. I do believe that if certain factions of both parties come together we could have an effective third party form. But that would need to start with elected and party officials. Another alternative would be a hard push to remove the extreme factions from both parties.

 

[Indeependent]

Wall Street huh.

Sp you are saying Reagan was a sell out. I can respect that.

But darn he could give a speech and Republicans lived him. Because they agreed with him.

The fact is that people love every politician that is in their party.

 

[HandleTheTruth]

And trump lost because he acted like a child.

And his budding up to extremists.

 

[JGalt]

Trump had to brag on himself at every turn. And he was totally reacting to the litigation thing.

Trump couldn't let the idiots be idiots he had to attack them making himself lower to their standards.

Trump was a mess.

You're not listening. Were you really worse off in 2018, than before you ended where you are now?

With a 9.1% inflation rate, a recession, your retirement accounts being drained away, the price of oil rising to $130 per barrel as it did, $5 per gallon or more gasoline prices, more dependence on Venezuela and the Saudis for oil, shortages, supply line disruptions, millions of illegals swarming the border, an epidemic of crime and drugs, more COVID deaths than there were under Trump, a dishonorable withdrawal from Afghanistan, a still-increasing trade imbalance with China, Iran getting closer to having nukes, North Korea waving their dicks in your face, and a war in Europe, and an old white man with dementia, one who can't even control his own bowels?

 

[initforme]

I'm not subject to anybody's whims. I live peacefully and quietly. Follow the laws and pay taxes and follow my swedish heritage although I was born here to parents who were born here. I'm a swedish american.

 

[Indeependent]

And trump lost because he acted like a child.

And his budding up to extremists.

That's why he got 5 million more votes in 2020.
Any other bullshit you'd care to share?

 

[g5000]

At this point in our country's history, we have become widely-divided along two equal polar opposites. There are no feasible alternatives, and there is no middle ground. While the Democrat Party has moved strongly toward cultural Marxism since 2010, the GOP has shifted strongly toward American Nationalism.

"Cultural Marxism" is a White Nationalist term.

And that's where the Republican party is headed. White Nationalism, under the guise of "Christian Nationalism".

We may be polarized on issues like guns and abortion, but when it comes to the most important issue of all, both parties are steadfastly united, joined at the hip: They are spending us into oblivion.

And none of the partisan hacks on either side are holding their own leaders accountable.

A plague on both their houses.

 

[JGalt]

The first thing Reagan did was promise every State Senator campaign support in return for elimination municipal laws protecting minorities and replaced them with Japanese and Chinese business visas.
Then Reagan did the same to US citizens.
Don't bother arguing as I was working on Wall Street in 1981 and on and saw what happened.

God love the man, but his immigration policies sucked too. He legitimized 3 million illegals under his term as well.

 

[Indeependent]

God love the man, but his immigration policies sucked too. He legitimized 3 million illegals under his term as well.

I remember...

 

[JGalt]

I remember...

But he did scare the living crap out of the Soviets. Trump did that too.

 

[g5000]

I've been saying for a long time that White Nationalist beliefs have been bleeding into the Right's rhetoric for some time.

The OP tard's use of the term "cultural Marxism" is an example.

Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The term "Cultural Marxism" refers to a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory which claims that Western Marxism is the basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture

 

[HandleTheTruth]

But he did scare the living crap out of the Soviets. Trump did that too.

Not really Trump was trying to be friends with every dictator on the planet.

 

[HandleTheTruth]

And let's not forget Trump was the biggest spender we have seen in this country.

 

[HandleTheTruth]

What lost Trump the election was his comments on covid.

 

[Indeependent]

Not really Trump was trying to be friends with every dictator on the planet.

Which is why nobody started a war.

 

[Indeependent]

What lost Trump the election was his comments on covid.

Reuters reported there was a much higher than usual slum turn out.
Welfare.

 

[Indeependent]

And let's not forget Trump was the biggest spender we have seen in this country.

Like we had a choice with COVID.

It's called context; something you seem to know nothing about.

 

[JGalt]

Not really Trump was trying to be friends with every dictator on the planet.

That's called "diplomacy." First off, what did Trump give Russia? He almost destroyed their oil-based economy with our energy-dominance. He also gave permission for a strike in Syria, that killed 200 Russian mercenaries.

What did Trump give Iran, I mean besides, causing their nuclear program to come to a grinding halt, and initiating a drone strike on one of their Generals? The same General who was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American soldiers with IEDs

What did Trump give North Korea? A simple meeting, a handshake, a few words, and a historic walk across the DMZ. That's it. And what did we get in return? The remains of over 200 American soldiers killed during the Korean War.

What did Trump give China? Anything? Tariffs? And how much money did Trump personally receive from China? I mean as opposed to the scores of millions of dollars the Biden family received, in exchange for influence in this country.

It's called "diplomacy." Would you rather Trump had stood on the Eastern sea shore, waved his dick at our adversaries, and threw rocks in their general direction? That's what you have now, as well as a war in Ukraine. That would have never happened, except for the irresponsible choices of a certain segment of American voters.