There are no psychopaths

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So according to this essay, everything we believe and assume about 'psychopaths' and Psychopathology, is flat-out wrong.

In short, the idea of the psychopath--someone who has little or no empathy, no sense of right or wrong, someone who is emotionally dead---is just how people decided to answer the question, 'Why do we have monsters among us?'

I especially enjoyed the explanation of 'Zombie' ideas in science..especially the soft sciences.


A few snippets from a long and well-written essay:

Psychopathic personality disorder – or psychopathy as it is commonly called – is one of the oldest and most researched mental health diagnoses.

...across hundreds of empirical studies – especially since the explosion of research in the late-1990s – there is still remarkably little evidence that corroborates popularized claims about the diagnosis. Despite enthusiasm among researchers in the 1990s and 2000s, when a few studies seemed to validate theories about psychopathy, the past two decades have been sobering. Today, virtually every single claim about psychopathy has been either thoroughly refuted or failed to find empirical support in experimental settings. Psychopathy may not exist at all.

Consider one of the most repeated tropes about psychopaths, that they are incapable of mirroring or reading other peoples’ emotions: they lack empathy. The problem with this view is that science tells a radically different story. When people diagnosed with psychopathy participate in empathy experiments, their performance is entirely indistinguishable from normal controls.

The most compelling evidence comes from a recent systematic review of empathy research my team conducted, which included a total of 66 studies involving 5,711 persons clinically assessed for psychopathy. We found that the results were ‘overwhelmingly null findings’ (89.11 per cent of all tests). That is, statistical analyses cannot tell the difference in performance between psychopathic vs non-psychopathic persons. We also found that high-quality studies – those using more rigid statistical methods – had an even higher null-ratio of a whopping 94.77 per cent. In behavioural scientific experiments, where datasets are presumed to be rife with false positives, this is arguably as close as you get to proving a negative: people diagnosed with psychopathy do not have empathy deficits.

An alternative answer to this question that has so far received little attention is the possibility that psychopathy may be an instance of what scientists colloquially refer to as a zombie idea: ideas that have the quality of being intuitively appealing, but the idea itself is essentially a fallacious misconception of reality. Just like zombies, when these ideas have been falsified – shown to be dead ideas – they somehow still manage to stubbornly stick around in the halls of prestigious universities, only to once again infect another generation of young scientists.

There are many historic examples of zombie ideas, such as phrenology, race theory, or the geocentric view of the Universe. What these ideas have in common is that they were all widely accepted by scientists, even for decades after they were thoroughly refuted by scientific research. And this gets to the core of a zombie idea: those who are infected always fail in the strangest ways to realise that the idea is dead. As such, zombie ideas appear to be upheld by strong biases where the idea itself is rarely questioned, even when the scientist who believes in them is faced with obvious evidence that suggests the idea is wrong. Fortunately, zombie ideas are relatively rare in the sciences, but they truly are a peculiar phenomenon.
 
So according to this essay, everything we believe and assume about 'psychopaths' and Psychopathology, is flat-out wrong.

In short, the idea of the psychopath--someone who has little or no empathy, no sense of right or wrong, someone who is emotionally dead---is just how people decided to answer the question, 'Why do we have monsters among us?'

I especially enjoyed the explanation of 'Zombie' ideas in science..especially the soft sciences.


A few snippets from a long and well-written essay:

Psychopathic personality disorder – or psychopathy as it is commonly called – is one of the oldest and most researched mental health diagnoses.

...across hundreds of empirical studies – especially since the explosion of research in the late-1990s – there is still remarkably little evidence that corroborates popularized claims about the diagnosis. Despite enthusiasm among researchers in the 1990s and 2000s, when a few studies seemed to validate theories about psychopathy, the past two decades have been sobering. Today, virtually every single claim about psychopathy has been either thoroughly refuted or failed to find empirical support in experimental settings. Psychopathy may not exist at all.

Consider one of the most repeated tropes about psychopaths, that they are incapable of mirroring or reading other peoples’ emotions: they lack empathy. The problem with this view is that science tells a radically different story. When people diagnosed with psychopathy participate in empathy experiments, their performance is entirely indistinguishable from normal controls.

The most compelling evidence comes from a recent systematic review of empathy research my team conducted, which included a total of 66 studies involving 5,711 persons clinically assessed for psychopathy. We found that the results were ‘overwhelmingly null findings’ (89.11 per cent of all tests). That is, statistical analyses cannot tell the difference in performance between psychopathic vs non-psychopathic persons. We also found that high-quality studies – those using more rigid statistical methods – had an even higher null-ratio of a whopping 94.77 per cent. In behavioural scientific experiments, where datasets are presumed to be rife with false positives, this is arguably as close as you get to proving a negative: people diagnosed with psychopathy do not have empathy deficits.

An alternative answer to this question that has so far received little attention is the possibility that psychopathy may be an instance of what scientists colloquially refer to as a zombie idea: ideas that have the quality of being intuitively appealing, but the idea itself is essentially a fallacious misconception of reality. Just like zombies, when these ideas have been falsified – shown to be dead ideas – they somehow still manage to stubbornly stick around in the halls of prestigious universities, only to once again infect another generation of young scientists.


There are many historic examples of zombie ideas, such as phrenology, race theory, or the geocentric view of the Universe. What these ideas have in common is that they were all widely accepted by scientists, even for decades after they were thoroughly refuted by scientific research. And this gets to the core of a zombie idea: those who are infected always fail in the strangest ways to realise that the idea is dead. As such, zombie ideas appear to be upheld by strong biases where the idea itself is rarely questioned, even when the scientist who believes in them is faced with obvious evidence that suggests the idea is wrong. Fortunately, zombie ideas are relatively rare in the sciences, but they truly are a peculiar phenomenon.
Those who suggest there are no psychopaths may themselves be psychopaths. :cool::oops:
 
If that doesn't make sense to you, then you either aren't understanding this line of psychology, or you are one yourself.
I'm always amused when people comment without reading the actual article...with little snarky sayings devoid of any intellectual discernment at all.
I bet it never occurs to you just how stupid you appear...does it?
 
So according to this essay, everything we believe and assume about 'psychopaths' and Psychopathology, is flat-out wrong.

In short, the idea of the psychopath--someone who has little or no empathy, no sense of right or wrong, someone who is emotionally dead---is just how people decided to answer the question, 'Why do we have monsters among us?'

I especially enjoyed the explanation of 'Zombie' ideas in science..especially the soft sciences.


A few snippets from a long and well-written essay:

Psychopathic personality disorder – or psychopathy as it is commonly called – is one of the oldest and most researched mental health diagnoses.

...across hundreds of empirical studies – especially since the explosion of research in the late-1990s – there is still remarkably little evidence that corroborates popularized claims about the diagnosis. Despite enthusiasm among researchers in the 1990s and 2000s, when a few studies seemed to validate theories about psychopathy, the past two decades have been sobering. Today, virtually every single claim about psychopathy has been either thoroughly refuted or failed to find empirical support in experimental settings. Psychopathy may not exist at all.

Consider one of the most repeated tropes about psychopaths, that they are incapable of mirroring or reading other peoples’ emotions: they lack empathy. The problem with this view is that science tells a radically different story. When people diagnosed with psychopathy participate in empathy experiments, their performance is entirely indistinguishable from normal controls.

The most compelling evidence comes from a recent systematic review of empathy research my team conducted, which included a total of 66 studies involving 5,711 persons clinically assessed for psychopathy. We found that the results were ‘overwhelmingly null findings’ (89.11 per cent of all tests). That is, statistical analyses cannot tell the difference in performance between psychopathic vs non-psychopathic persons. We also found that high-quality studies – those using more rigid statistical methods – had an even higher null-ratio of a whopping 94.77 per cent. In behavioural scientific experiments, where datasets are presumed to be rife with false positives, this is arguably as close as you get to proving a negative: people diagnosed with psychopathy do not have empathy deficits.

An alternative answer to this question that has so far received little attention is the possibility that psychopathy may be an instance of what scientists colloquially refer to as a zombie idea: ideas that have the quality of being intuitively appealing, but the idea itself is essentially a fallacious misconception of reality. Just like zombies, when these ideas have been falsified – shown to be dead ideas – they somehow still manage to stubbornly stick around in the halls of prestigious universities, only to once again infect another generation of young scientists.


There are many historic examples of zombie ideas, such as phrenology, race theory, or the geocentric view of the Universe. What these ideas have in common is that they were all widely accepted by scientists, even for decades after they were thoroughly refuted by scientific research. And this gets to the core of a zombie idea: those who are infected always fail in the strangest ways to realise that the idea is dead. As such, zombie ideas appear to be upheld by strong biases where the idea itself is rarely questioned, even when the scientist who believes in them is faced with obvious evidence that suggests the idea is wrong. Fortunately, zombie ideas are relatively rare in the sciences, but they truly are a peculiar phenomenon.

Being a "amateur psychologist" all of my life, I can grasp the concept behind many theories, but they are just that. Theories. Theres no facts to back them up.

As for "Zombies", I've been calling psychopaths with EXTREME narcissism "Zombies" for decades now. These are human shaped organisms that lie, cheat, and kill at a whim.........with no remorse of any type, with no understanding of what they do, and with absolutely not one shred of concern over the outcomes or deaths they produce.

Politicians are an excellent example of the Zombies I describe.
 
I'm always amused when people comment without reading the actual article...with little snarky sayings devoid of any intellectual discernment at all.
I bet it never occurs to you just how stupid you appear...does it?
Wasn't being snarky or mean, just stating a fact as I see it, from what I've learned over my lifetime so far.

Hell, we are all sociopaths. Some of us just cross that line into the psychosis of it all.
 
So according to this essay, everything we believe and assume about 'psychopaths' and Psychopathology, is flat-out wrong.

In short, the idea of the psychopath--someone who has little or no empathy, no sense of right or wrong, someone who is emotionally dead---is just how people decided to answer the question, 'Why do we have monsters among us?'

I especially enjoyed the explanation of 'Zombie' ideas in science..especially the soft sciences.


A few snippets from a long and well-written essay:

Psychopathic personality disorder – or psychopathy as it is commonly called – is one of the oldest and most researched mental health diagnoses.

...across hundreds of empirical studies – especially since the explosion of research in the late-1990s – there is still remarkably little evidence that corroborates popularized claims about the diagnosis. Despite enthusiasm among researchers in the 1990s and 2000s, when a few studies seemed to validate theories about psychopathy, the past two decades have been sobering. Today, virtually every single claim about psychopathy has been either thoroughly refuted or failed to find empirical support in experimental settings. Psychopathy may not exist at all.

Consider one of the most repeated tropes about psychopaths, that they are incapable of mirroring or reading other peoples’ emotions: they lack empathy. The problem with this view is that science tells a radically different story. When people diagnosed with psychopathy participate in empathy experiments, their performance is entirely indistinguishable from normal controls.

The most compelling evidence comes from a recent systematic review of empathy research my team conducted, which included a total of 66 studies involving 5,711 persons clinically assessed for psychopathy. We found that the results were ‘overwhelmingly null findings’ (89.11 per cent of all tests). That is, statistical analyses cannot tell the difference in performance between psychopathic vs non-psychopathic persons. We also found that high-quality studies – those using more rigid statistical methods – had an even higher null-ratio of a whopping 94.77 per cent. In behavioural scientific experiments, where datasets are presumed to be rife with false positives, this is arguably as close as you get to proving a negative: people diagnosed with psychopathy do not have empathy deficits.

An alternative answer to this question that has so far received little attention is the possibility that psychopathy may be an instance of what scientists colloquially refer to as a zombie idea: ideas that have the quality of being intuitively appealing, but the idea itself is essentially a fallacious misconception of reality. Just like zombies, when these ideas have been falsified – shown to be dead ideas – they somehow still manage to stubbornly stick around in the halls of prestigious universities, only to once again infect another generation of young scientists.


There are many historic examples of zombie ideas, such as phrenology, race theory, or the geocentric view of the Universe. What these ideas have in common is that they were all widely accepted by scientists, even for decades after they were thoroughly refuted by scientific research. And this gets to the core of a zombie idea: those who are infected always fail in the strangest ways to realise that the idea is dead. As such, zombie ideas appear to be upheld by strong biases where the idea itself is rarely questioned, even when the scientist who believes in them is faced with obvious evidence that suggests the idea is wrong. Fortunately, zombie ideas are relatively rare in the sciences, but they truly are a peculiar phenomenon.

Just because someone cannot "read" emotional states, does NOT mean they are a psychopath. Is this what you were relating your quip to?

Reading emotional states in others has nothing to do with being a psychopath, but everything to do with not having empathy controls in ones personality traits.

Being a psychopath is what happens when one has crossed the line from being a sociopath into the world of using sociopathy for personal gain against others, or for personal violence against others.

Most psychopaths that use sociopathology as a construct to harm and harass others usually DO have empathy controls, because they FEEL the need to do harm to others. Those without empathy controls don't FEEL anything, therefore what they do and say is basically benign, regardless of the outcome it presents, because they aren't doing it on purpose. Psychopaths do it on purpose, which means they FEEL the results of what they do to others.
 
That, of course, makes little sense...but thanks for playing~
Actually, it makes perfect sense. Just like pedophile psychologists tried to turn pedophilia from a disorder, into a sexual orientation, in the latest rewrite of the DSM.

And psychopath isn't even the correct term, so your "well written" article really isn't all that well written.
 
So according to this essay, everything we believe and assume about 'psychopaths' and Psychopathology, is flat-out wrong.

In short, the idea of the psychopath--someone who has little or no empathy, no sense of right or wrong, someone who is emotionally dead---is just how people decided to answer the question, 'Why do we have monsters among us?'

I especially enjoyed the explanation of 'Zombie' ideas in science..especially the soft sciences.


A few snippets from a long and well-written essay:

Psychopathic personality disorder – or psychopathy as it is commonly called – is one of the oldest and most researched mental health diagnoses.

...across hundreds of empirical studies – especially since the explosion of research in the late-1990s – there is still remarkably little evidence that corroborates popularized claims about the diagnosis. Despite enthusiasm among researchers in the 1990s and 2000s, when a few studies seemed to validate theories about psychopathy, the past two decades have been sobering. Today, virtually every single claim about psychopathy has been either thoroughly refuted or failed to find empirical support in experimental settings. Psychopathy may not exist at all.

Consider one of the most repeated tropes about psychopaths, that they are incapable of mirroring or reading other peoples’ emotions: they lack empathy. The problem with this view is that science tells a radically different story. When people diagnosed with psychopathy participate in empathy experiments, their performance is entirely indistinguishable from normal controls.

The most compelling evidence comes from a recent systematic review of empathy research my team conducted, which included a total of 66 studies involving 5,711 persons clinically assessed for psychopathy. We found that the results were ‘overwhelmingly null findings’ (89.11 per cent of all tests). That is, statistical analyses cannot tell the difference in performance between psychopathic vs non-psychopathic persons. We also found that high-quality studies – those using more rigid statistical methods – had an even higher null-ratio of a whopping 94.77 per cent. In behavioural scientific experiments, where datasets are presumed to be rife with false positives, this is arguably as close as you get to proving a negative: people diagnosed with psychopathy do not have empathy deficits.

An alternative answer to this question that has so far received little attention is the possibility that psychopathy may be an instance of what scientists colloquially refer to as a zombie idea: ideas that have the quality of being intuitively appealing, but the idea itself is essentially a fallacious misconception of reality. Just like zombies, when these ideas have been falsified – shown to be dead ideas – they somehow still manage to stubbornly stick around in the halls of prestigious universities, only to once again infect another generation of young scientists.


There are many historic examples of zombie ideas, such as phrenology, race theory, or the geocentric view of the Universe. What these ideas have in common is that they were all widely accepted by scientists, even for decades after they were thoroughly refuted by scientific research. And this gets to the core of a zombie idea: those who are infected always fail in the strangest ways to realise that the idea is dead. As such, zombie ideas appear to be upheld by strong biases where the idea itself is rarely questioned, even when the scientist who believes in them is faced with obvious evidence that suggests the idea is wrong. Fortunately, zombie ideas are relatively rare in the sciences, but they truly are a peculiar phenomenon.
OK I read it. Lots of hand waving about testing and tools that can't prove psychopathy exists. And their "explanation" of serial killers was not convincing. Ted Bundy was presented as an example of NOT being a psychopath because he MAY have had some close relationships with his family. Sorry no sale. Psychopaths do exist. There is a prime example who is happily tossing hundreds of thousands of Russian men into a meat grinder to satisfy his obsession with Ukraine.
 
It is an essay directed at professionals..using the terms clinically and precisely.
Perhaps your common understanding of what the terms mean falls a bit short of the scientific reality?
 
OK I read it. Lots of hand waving about testing and tools that can't prove psychopathy exists. And their "explanation" of serial killers was not convincing. Ted Bundy was presented as an example of NOT being a psychopath because he MAY have had some close relationships with his family. Sorry no sale. Psychopaths do exist. There is a prime example who is happily tossing hundreds of thousands of Russian men into a meat grinder to satisfy his obsession with Ukraine.
My wife knew Bundys mother, he was never close with any of his family. She just read the article and says it's laughable.

She's a PhD IO psychologist.
 
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OK I read it. Lots of hand waving about testing and tools that can't prove psychopathy exists. And their "explanation" of serial killers was not convincing. Ted Bundy was presented as an example of NOT being a psychopath because he MAY have had some close relationships with his family. Sorry no sale. Psychopaths do exist. There is a prime example who is happily tossing hundreds of thousands of Russian men into a meat grinder to satisfy his obsession with Ukraine.
Appreciate you taking the time to actually learn what was being talked about..LOL!

..and by YOUR definition, the majority of leaders have been psychopaths.

Is this what you intended to convey?
 
It is an essay directed at professionals..using the terms clinically and precisely.
Perhaps your common understanding of what the terms mean falls a bit short of the scientific reality?
No, it isn't. The term is "SOCIOPATHY".

ANTI SOCIAL PERSONALITY DISORDER.

SOCIOPATH.
 
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