there are more conservative blacks than liberal blacks

[IM2]

Then repost your answer.

Sure.



As to how I know they are lies?



Well, I used to believe them.


When I was a child, I was exposed to those lies, and I believed them.


I looked around, and did not see such racism, either in my family or my neighbor hood.


I concluded that my family and my neighbor hood was special.


As I grew older, I went out into the world, more, and I found that my town, my growing circle of peers and associates were all better than average.


I counted myself lucky to be in such a good place, in such a racist world.


But, when I got to college, and was exposed to the lie, that my home city was extraordinarily racist, when I knew that was not true, I realized that I had been wrong, that those liberals who had always talked about racist whites, this or that,


that there were indeed talking about my family, my friends, my community.



And that they were utterly full of shit.


I had personal knowledge that their lies were lies.


Thanks for asking.


Thus, you see, that my stating that libs lie, is not a claim of being soooooo smart, nor an accusation that blacks are "Stupid" your words.



And I already told you this, and gave you a chance to admit that your assumption that I was being racist, was an honest mistake.


Instead you held to your lie.


And in doing so, completely proved my point.


You won this debate for me.

A white boy growing up in an all white town and he says that because he saw no racism that liberals were making it up.

LOL!

Get ready for it — this is where you hear about his black friend.

No doubt! LOL!

So, you make a point, that my town was "all white" as though that undermines my story.


But then immediately dismiss the idea that blacks being in the town, would change anything.


Can you really not see how completely dishonest and self serving and fucking stupid, your "logic" is?

The possible presence of some blacks in your town doesn't change anything. I'm black and I grew up in a majority white town. So I think I would know.

You are a racist Correll and it's based on things like you swearing there is anti white discrimination that you can't prove. Or how blacks should be fucking grateful to whites for dying to make us free. So shut the fuck up and:.

Prove when racism ended and its effects were allayed. Show, with data and peer-reviewed studies supporting your argument, when the effects of the hundreds of years of anti-Black racism from chattel slavery through Old Jim Crow leveled off. Show when the wealth expropriated during that oppression was repaid to those it was expropriated from and through. And remember, after you’ve addressed the end of anti-Black racism you’ll still have to explain when anti-Latinx, anti-Asian, anti-Arab, and anti-Native racism came to an end as well.

That's all you have to do. There will be no more going round in circles enabling your punk ass to avoid the issue anymore. You say lefties are telling a lie abut racism, you should be able do this. Dishonesty is you not answering this while going on and on beating that deaf horse you are trying to revive in order to make yourself a victim.

 

[DustyInfinity]

IM2, it is obvious to everyone that there is still racism, but I'm confused as to what extent you are talking about? Every person in this country is equal under the law. I know it is annoying getting pulled over by police, hearing car locks being engaged, having trouble getting a cab, ect, but are things still bad to the point where black people can not thrive and prosper? What percentage of cops do you think are corrupt? How many bosses do you think will not look at a black person's resume? I am genuinely curious. For awhile, it seemed race relations were getting better. More black actors, rap going mainstream, ect. I think people would just treat people as people if the democrats didn't constantly label and attack people. It seems counterproductive and to actually harm any further progress towards people being tolerant.

 

[DustyInfinity]

Is letting racism die the same as denying that it exists? Where I live, people hold the door open for each other, talk to each other at youth baseball games, buy and sell coffee from each other, ect. It is not at all as apocolyptic as the media suggests. It just seems many want race relations to be worse than they actually are.

 

[ATL]

IM2, it is obvious to everyone that there is still racism, but I'm confused as to what extent you are talking about? Every person in this country is equal under the law. I know it is annoying getting pulled over by police, hearing car locks being engaged, having trouble getting a cab, ect, but are things still bad to the point where black people can not thrive and prosper? What percentage of cops do you think are corrupt? How many bosses do you think will not look at a black person's resume? I am genuinely curious. For awhile, it seemed race relations were getting better. More black actors, rap going mainstream, ect. I think people would just treat people as people if the democrats didn't constantly label and attack people. It seems counterproductive and to actually harm any further progress towards people being tolerant.

The simple reason you asked "what percentage of cops are corrupt" shows how much society is ok with some aspects of racism being prevalent. We (meaning society) are quick to turn a blind eye, or put our head in the sand in regards to other people's plight, because it doesn't affect us.

The test that would prove how different society would react to a stimuli would be to substitute the sentence "what percentage of cops are corrupt/bad apples" with "what percentage of airline pilots are corrupt/bad apples" and see which one gets a quick readjustment from society.

 

[IM2]

Is letting racism die the same as denying that it exists? Where I live, people hold the door open for each other, talk to each other at youth baseball games, buy and sell coffee from each other, ect. It is not at all as apocolyptic as the media suggests. It just seems many want race relations to be worse than they actually are.

What do you consider letting racism die? Just not talking about it. Not paying attention to it? What do you mean?

 

[IM2]

IM2, it is obvious to everyone that there is still racism, but I'm confused as to what extent you are talking about? Every person in this country is equal under the law. I know it is annoying getting pulled over by police, hearing car locks being engaged, having trouble getting a cab, ect, but are things still bad to the point where black people can not thrive and prosper? What percentage of cops do you think are corrupt? How many bosses do you think will not look at a black person's resume? I am genuinely curious. For awhile, it seemed race relations were getting better. More black actors, rap going mainstream, ect. I think people would just treat people as people if the democrats didn't constantly label and attack people. It seems counterproductive and to actually harm any further progress towards people being tolerant.

African Americans are better off in many ways but are still disadvantaged by racial inequality

The year 1968 was a watershed in American history and black America’s ongoing fight for equality. In April of that year, Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated in Memphis and riots broke out in cities around the country. Rising against this tragedy, the Civil Rights Act of 1968 outlawing housing discrimination was signed into law. Tommie Smith and John Carlos raised their fists in a black power salute as they received their medals at the 1968 Summer Olympics in Mexico City. Arthur Ashe became the first African American to win the U.S. Open singles title, and Shirley Chisholm became the first African American woman elected to the House of Representatives.

The same year, the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders, better known as the Kerner Commission, delivered a report to President Johnson examining the causes of civil unrest in African American communities. The report named “white racism”—leading to “pervasive discrimination in employment, education and housing”—as the culprit, and the report’s authors called for a commitment to “the realization of common opportunities for all within a single [racially undivided] society.”1 The Kerner Commission report pulled together a comprehensive array of data to assess the specific economic and social inequities confronting African Americans in 1968.

Where do we stand as a society today?

In this brief report, we compare the state of black workers and their families in 1968 with the circumstances of their descendants today, 50 years after the Kerner report was released. We find both good news and bad news. While African Americans are in many ways better off in absolute terms than they were in 1968, they are still disadvantaged in important ways relative to whites. In several important respects, African Americans have actually lost ground relative to whites, and, in a few cases, even relative to African Americans in 1968.

Following are some of the key findings:

50 years after the Kerner Commission: African Americans are better off in many ways but are still disadvantaged by racial inequality

 

[DustyInfinity]

I guess I'm wondering why everyone is screaming that everyone else is racist. As a whole, I think most people are not. There is no law or measure that can enacted that would force people not to lock their cars when people walk by. The only thing that can cure that is time. I thought things were getting better, but the word racist is screamed by almost every media member and politician. It is almost like they are promoting it.

 

[DustyInfinity]

IM2, it is obvious to everyone that there is still racism, but I'm confused as to what extent you are talking about? Every person in this country is equal under the law. I know it is annoying getting pulled over by police, hearing car locks being engaged, having trouble getting a cab, ect, but are things still bad to the point where black people can not thrive and prosper? What percentage of cops do you think are corrupt? How many bosses do you think will not look at a black person's resume? I am genuinely curious. For awhile, it seemed race relations were getting better. More black actors, rap going mainstream, ect. I think people would just treat people as people if the democrats didn't constantly label and attack people. It seems counterproductive and to actually harm any further progress towards people being tolerant.

The simple reason you asked "what percentage of cops are corrupt" shows how much society is ok with some aspects of racism being prevalent. We (meaning society) are quick to turn a blind eye, or put our head in the sand in regards to other people's plight, because it doesn't affect us.

The test that would prove how different society would react to a stimuli would be to substitute the sentence "what percentage of cops are corrupt/bad apples" with "what percentage of airline pilots are corrupt/bad apples" and see which one gets a quick readjustment from society.

There are bad people in every profession from a chef to a fireman. Yes, there are bad cops. I'm not condoning it, and they should be prosecuted if they break the law. However I think it is pretty clear that most police just do their job to make us safe.

 

[DustyInfinity]

IM2, you say 90% of black people vote democrat based on policy, and that is fine, but how does that make most of everyone in the republican party a racist? Democrat/Republican is purely a difference of policy. I see no reason for race to be brought up at all.

 

[IM2]

I guess I'm wondering why everyone is screaming that everyone else is racist. As a whole, I think most people are not. There is no law or measure that can enacted that would force people not to lock their cars when people walk by. The only thing that can cure that is time. I thought things were getting better, but the word racist is screamed by almost every media member and politician. It is almost like they are promoting it.

You don't promote racism. And stop blaming the media. The problem is racism. Now we've had since the 1600's s there has been time. Laws and measures created the problem. How old are you? You need to understand there is one satisfactory outcome, the end of racism. We aren't talking about just locking car doors.

 

[IM2]

IM2, it is obvious to everyone that there is still racism, but I'm confused as to what extent you are talking about? Every person in this country is equal under the law. I know it is annoying getting pulled over by police, hearing car locks being engaged, having trouble getting a cab, ect, but are things still bad to the point where black people can not thrive and prosper? What percentage of cops do you think are corrupt? How many bosses do you think will not look at a black person's resume? I am genuinely curious. For awhile, it seemed race relations were getting better. More black actors, rap going mainstream, ect. I think people would just treat people as people if the democrats didn't constantly label and attack people. It seems counterproductive and to actually harm any further progress towards people being tolerant.

The simple reason you asked "what percentage of cops are corrupt" shows how much society is ok with some aspects of racism being prevalent. We (meaning society) are quick to turn a blind eye, or put our head in the sand in regards to other people's plight, because it doesn't affect us.

The test that would prove how different society would react to a stimuli would be to substitute the sentence "what percentage of cops are corrupt/bad apples" with "what percentage of airline pilots are corrupt/bad apples" and see which one gets a quick readjustment from society.

There are bad people in every profession from a chef to a fireman. Yes, there are bad cops. I'm not condoning it, and they should be prosecuted if they break the law. However I think it is pretty clear that most police just do their job to make us safe.

When will whites learn to listen?

 

[IM2]

IM2, you say 90% of black people vote democrat based on policy, and that is fine, but how does that make most of everyone in the republican party a racist? Democrat/Republican is purely a difference of policy. I see no reason for race to be brought up at all.

Republican policy is based on racist perceptions. So there is a very good reason for race tp be bought up. Then we had the nomination and support of a racist to lead your party. And now we see total support of that same racist as president.

You can enter any conservative or republican forum and all you read is racism.

 

[xyz]

The Diversity Of Black Political Views

NEW POLLING: Politically, African-Americans identify as:
Moderate → 44%
Conservative → 27%
Liberal → 26%

"TROLLING" is spelled with a T at the beginning and that tail on the P.

 

[DustyInfinity]

Ok I'm game. What are the racist perceptions in republican policy? You attack people who support Trump, but you admit it is all about policy. People didn't vote for the man, they voted for policy. People don't want to stop illegal immigration because of race, it is because most who cross the southern border will vote democrat. Sadly, if most voted republican, republicans would be all for it. As for saying most republicans are racists due to message boards, how are you projecting that to the real world. I read that you grew up in a mostly white town. From your own experience, how many of them were bad people.

 

[DustyInfinity]

It is obvious the media promotes racism. Michael Brown died when he attacked a police officer in his car, yet the media carried he had his hands up, and the whole hands up don't shoot chant started. Do you think Ferguson would have happened if the media didn't promote the hands up theme? Why do you think they promoted that narrative?

 

[DustyInfinity]

What specifically do you think keeps black people from getting ahead? You said it is not just locked doors. You talk about institutional racism. Why do you think black people don't have opportunity in 2018? It is not 1960 anymore. I know you want the complete elimination of all racism and for things to be perfect, but I don't see how things are as bad as you are saying they are.

 

[Correll]

IM2 already proved my case, by lying about what I said, and then calling me racist based on his lies.


That's my point.

You have no point punk. Your so called case has been destroyed by everyone here.

And you lied when you claimed lefties were keeping the lie of racism alive

Which is why you lefties need to keep the lie of racism alive.


THese guys ever take a real look at how extreme your political positions are, and you will be utterly destroyed.

Since you claim lefties were keeping a lie of racism alive you were asked this:

Prove when racism ended and its effects were allayed. Show, with data and peer-reviewed studies supporting your argument, when the effects of the hundreds of years of anti-Black racism from chattel slavery through Old Jim Crow leveled off. Show when the wealth expropriated during that oppression was repaid to those it was expropriated from and through. And remember, after you’ve addressed the end of anti-Black racism you’ll still have to explain when anti-Latinx, anti-Asian, anti-Arab, and anti-Native racism came to an end as well.

To which you have never answered.

And that's MY point!

If you can't be honest about a simple and clear point, such as calling me a racist because I call libs liars,


there is no point in discussing more complex matters of policy and history with you.


And that is really the end of it.


YOu lefties are committed to your lies and nothing will change that.

You are a racist Correll and it's based on things like you swearing there is anti white discrimination that you can't prove. Or how blacks should be fucking grateful to whites for dying to make us free. So shut the fuck up and:.

Prove when racism ended and its effects were allayed. Show, with data and peer-reviewed studies supporting your argument, when the effects of the hundreds of years of anti-Black racism from chattel slavery through Old Jim Crow leveled off. Show when the wealth expropriated during that oppression was repaid to those it was expropriated from and through. And remember, after you’ve addressed the end of anti-Black racism you’ll still have to explain when anti-Latinx, anti-Asian, anti-Arab, and anti-Native racism came to an end as well.

That's all you have to do. There will be no more going round in circles enabling your punk ass to avoid the issue anymore. You say lefties are telling a lie abut racism, you should be able do this.

If I was a racist, then you wouldn't have to lie and claim that calling libs liars, is being racist.


You would have actual real examples of racist actions or speech.


I linked you to peer reviewed academic studies documenting not only that there is widespread anti-white discrimination in ivy league admissions, but hard numbers on HOW MUCH discrimination.


Your denial of that, is just another lie, and, proving my point once again, you call me a racist based on your lie.


AND, as you personally insulted me, again in your post, I want to be clear. You are a vile, lying piece of shit.

You are a racist Correll and it's based on things like you swearing there is anti white discrimination that you can't prove. Or how blacks should be fucking grateful to whites for dying to make us free. So shut the fuck up and:.

Prove when racism ended and its effects were allayed. Show, with data and peer-reviewed studies supporting your argument, when the effects of the hundreds of years of anti-Black racism from chattel slavery through Old Jim Crow leveled off. Show when the wealth expropriated during that oppression was repaid to those it was expropriated from and through. And remember, after you’ve addressed the end of anti-Black racism you’ll still have to explain when anti-Latinx, anti-Asian, anti-Arab, and anti-Native racism came to an end as well.

That's all you have to do. There will be no more going round in circles enabling your punk ass to avoid the issue anymore. You say lefties are telling a lie abut racism, you should be able do this.

Since you insulted me, I will insult you.

You are a piece of shit.

 

[Correll]

I already answered that. For you to ignore that answer and to just reassert your previous position is the Logical Fallacy of Proof by Assertion.


That means your point is invalid and wrong.


And really, a form of lying, because you are pretending that you did not already get an answer to your now repeated statement.


You are lying about what I said, and are calling me racist based on your lie.


In doing so, you have and still are, constantly and repeatedly proving my point.

Then repost your answer.

Sure.



As to how I know they are lies?



Well, I used to believe them.


When I was a child, I was exposed to those lies, and I believed them.


I looked around, and did not see such racism, either in my family or my neighbor hood.


I concluded that my family and my neighbor hood was special.


As I grew older, I went out into the world, more, and I found that my town, my growing circle of peers and associates were all better than average.


I counted myself lucky to be in such a good place, in such a racist world.


But, when I got to college, and was exposed to the lie, that my home city was extraordinarily racist, when I knew that was not true, I realized that I had been wrong, that those liberals who had always talked about racist whites, this or that,


that there were indeed talking about my family, my friends, my community.



And that they were utterly full of shit.


I had personal knowledge that their lies were lies.


Thanks for asking.


Thus, you see, that my stating that libs lie, is not a claim of being soooooo smart, nor an accusation that blacks are "Stupid" your words.



And I already told you this, and gave you a chance to admit that your assumption that I was being racist, was an honest mistake.


Instead you held to your lie.


And in doing so, completely proved my point.


You won this debate for me.

A white boy growing up in an all white town and he says that because he saw no racism that liberals were making it up.

LOL!

YOur assumptions about my town, are noted and dismissed.


You had your chance to argue that my perception was mistaken.


YOu choose to lie about what I said, and then call me a racist based on your lie.


IN doing so, you proved my point.


Liberals lie, and then call republicans racists, based on their own lies.


They are scum of the earth.


And they are tearing this nation apart.

You are a racist Correll and it's based on things like you swearing there is anti white discrimination that you can't prove. Or how blacks should be fucking grateful to whites for dying to make us free. So shut the fuck up and:.

Prove when racism ended and its effects were allayed. Show, with data and peer-reviewed studies supporting your argument, when the effects of the hundreds of years of anti-Black racism from chattel slavery through Old Jim Crow leveled off. Show when the wealth expropriated during that oppression was repaid to those it was expropriated from and through. And remember, after you’ve addressed the end of anti-Black racism you’ll still have to explain when anti-Latinx, anti-Asian, anti-Arab, and anti-Native racism came to an end as well.

That's all you have to do. There will be no more going round in circles enabling your punk ass to avoid the issue anymore. You say lefties are telling a lie abut racism, you should be able do this.

YOur assumptions about my town, are noted and dismissed.


You had your chance to argue that my perception was mistaken.


YOu choose to lie about what I said, and then call me a racist based on your lie.


IN doing so, you proved my point.


Liberals lie, and then call republicans racists, based on their own lies.


They are scum of the earth.


And they are tearing this nation apart.

 

[Correll]

Sure.



As to how I know they are lies?



Well, I used to believe them.


When I was a child, I was exposed to those lies, and I believed them.


I looked around, and did not see such racism, either in my family or my neighbor hood.


I concluded that my family and my neighbor hood was special.


As I grew older, I went out into the world, more, and I found that my town, my growing circle of peers and associates were all better than average.


I counted myself lucky to be in such a good place, in such a racist world.


But, when I got to college, and was exposed to the lie, that my home city was extraordinarily racist, when I knew that was not true, I realized that I had been wrong, that those liberals who had always talked about racist whites, this or that,


that there were indeed talking about my family, my friends, my community.



And that they were utterly full of shit.


I had personal knowledge that their lies were lies.


Thanks for asking.


Thus, you see, that my stating that libs lie, is not a claim of being soooooo smart, nor an accusation that blacks are "Stupid" your words.



And I already told you this, and gave you a chance to admit that your assumption that I was being racist, was an honest mistake.


Instead you held to your lie.


And in doing so, completely proved my point.


You won this debate for me.

A white boy growing up in an all white town and he says that because he saw no racism that liberals were making it up.

LOL!

Get ready for it — this is where you hear about his black friend.

No doubt! LOL!

So, you make a point, that my town was "all white" as though that undermines my story.


But then immediately dismiss the idea that blacks being in the town, would change anything.


Can you really not see how completely dishonest and self serving and fucking stupid, your "logic" is?

The possible presence of some blacks in your town doesn't change anything. I'm black and I grew up in a majority white town. So I think I would know.

You are a racist Correll and it's based on things like you swearing there is anti white discrimination that you can't prove. Or how blacks should be fucking grateful to whites for dying to make us free. So shut the fuck up and:.
.....

Then why did you make an issue of the alleged LACK of blacks?


Because you just throw shit against the walls, without any concern for whether it is true or not.


Because if it did matter, when you brought it up,


then it would matter when it turned out to be false.



THE fact that it doesn't matter when it turns out to be false, means that you were lying when you were pretending it mattered in the first place.


My point stands.


I had personal knowledge of the lies that fucking liberals like you tell. THat's how I came to realize they were lies.


Thus your claim that I was saying that blacks were stupid, is shown to be a lie.


And you calling me racist based on your lie, is just you being a vile piece of shit asshole. (since you insulted me, I insult you)

 

[IM2]

What specifically do you think keeps black people from getting ahead? You said it is not just locked doors. You talk about institutional racism. Why do you think black people don't have opportunity in 2018? It is not 1960 anymore. I know you want the complete elimination of all racism and for things to be perfect, but I don't see how things are as bad as you are saying they are.

50 years after the Kerner Commission
African Americans are better off in many ways but are still disadvantaged by racial inequality

The year 1968 was a watershed in American history and black America’s ongoing fight for equality. In April of that year, Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated in Memphis and riots broke out in cities around the country. Rising against this tragedy, the Civil Rights Act of 1968 outlawing housing discrimination was signed into law. Tommie Smith and John Carlos raised their fists in a black power salute as they received their medals at the 1968 Summer Olympics in Mexico City. Arthur Ashe became the first African American to win the U.S. Open singles title, and Shirley Chisholm became the first African American woman elected to the House of Representatives.

The same year, the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders, better known as the Kerner Commission, delivered a report to President Johnson examining the causes of civil unrest in African American communities. The report named “white racism”—leading to “pervasive discrimination in employment, education and housing”—as the culprit, and the report’s authors called for a commitment to “the realization of common opportunities for all within a single [racially undivided] society.”1 The Kerner Commission report pulled together a comprehensive array of data to assess the specific economic and social inequities confronting African Americans in 1968.

Where do we stand as a society today?

In this brief report, we compare the state of black workers and their families in 1968 with the circumstances of their descendants today, 50 years after the Kerner report was released. We find both good news and bad news. While African Americans are in many ways better off in absolute terms than they were in 1968, they are still disadvantaged in important ways relative to whites. In several important respects, African Americans have actually lost ground relative to whites, and, in a few cases, even relative to African Americans in 1968.

Following are some of the key findings:

50 years after the Kerner Commission: African Americans are better off in many ways but are still disadvantaged by racial inequality