The worms are turning: Lawmakers denounce Trump's backing of Saudis, despite Khashoggi killing

[JimH52]

trump will make some gesture criticizing the prince...The pressure will get to him...He is...as we all know....a coward.

 

[dblack]

Isnt this an issue for the whole world and not just USA. We are the required torch carrier??

Trump has been defending a murderer, Mohammed Bin Salman because Trump personally stands to profit from his relationship.

Trump first, USA whenever it suits.

Because it is none of our business and not worth pissing off a valuable ally.

I though dimwitocrats were all about alliances.

Democrats are. They are just as bad as Republicans. Trump is just as bad as Democrats. So. the. fuck. what? Isn't it time we took the high road? Does Trump even have a map to the on ramp?

 

[dblack]

Isnt this an issue for the whole world and not just USA. We are the required torch carrier??

Torches aren't the issue. Weapons are. We're selling dictators the very weapons they use to murder and oppress their own people.

I don't expect the USA to be 'World Police', but we could at least avoid being an active accomplice to evil.

 

[OldLady]

Lawmakers, even GOP lawmakers are sickened by Trump's alliance and defense of a man that the CIA has denounced as a murderer.

Donald Trump has no morals or ethics, but lawmakers are resiling from traveling down the dark hole with Donald Trump.

Let us hope that Satan's slave, Jared Kushner, is pushed out of the White House by the movement against Trump and the Saudis.

American's are embarrassed by Trump's association and defense of a murderer.

Lawmakers denounce Trump's backing of Saudis, despite Khashoggi killing

Lawmakers denounce Trump's backing of Saudis, despite Khashoggi killing

The White House's pledge to maintain its strong military and economic alliance with Saudi Arabia amid reports that U.S. intelligence has assessed that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the gruesome murder of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, has ignited a flurry of bipartisan condemnation in Washington.
After President Trump issued a remarkable statement on Tuesday in which he acknowledged that the heir apparent to the Saudi throne may have known about the "tragic event," but that his administration nevertheless "intended to remain a steadfast partner of Saudi Arabia," several Republican and Democratic members of Congress denounced the White House's position.
"I'm pretty sure this statement is Saudi Arabia First, not America First," Republican Sen. Rand Paul, an ally of the president but ardent critic of America's relationship with the Saudis, wrote on Twitter.
The lawmaker from Kentucky accused National Security Adviser and foreign policy hawk John Bolton of writing the statement and criticized American assistance to the Saudi-led coalition waging a bloody war against the Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen.
"We should, at the very least, NOT reward Saudi Arabia with our sophisticated armaments that they in turn use to bomb civilians," Paul added.
Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., who has largely embraced the administration's doctrine across the world, wrote on Twitter that "our foreign policy must be about promoting our national interests." The junior senator from Florida stressed that defending human rights is vital to America's national security because human rights violations fuel "mass migration," foster extremism and benefit governments hostile to the U.S.
In a statement, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said the U.S. can't overlook Khashoggi's high-profile killing and alleged dismemberment, and suggested that there was bipartisan support among lawmakers to sanction individuals involved in the assassination, including members of the royal family.
"While Saudi Arabia is a strategic ally, the behavior of the Crown Prince – in multiple ways – has shown disrespect for the relationship and made him, in my view, beyond toxic," Graham added.
Constant Trump critics Sen. Jeff Flake and Sen. Bob Corker also condemned the statement. The retiring senator from Arizona said "great allies" don't lure their own citizens into a trap, and then have them killed.
"I never thought I'd see the day a White House would moonlight as a public relations firm for the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia," Corker, who is also retiring, wrote on Twitter.
In his statement, President Trump touted Saudi Arabia's important role in America's national security apparatus and the billions of dollars he said the U.S has received in arms transactions with the royal family. He said U.S. intelligence agencies are still probing Khashoggi's murder. "Maybe he did and maybe he didn't!" President Trump said in a statement, referring to the possibility that the Saudi Crown Prince ordered the journalist's brutal killing.
Meanwhile, Democrats — who will have control of important House committees that could potentially investigate Khashoggi's assassination and the U.S.-Saudi alliance — were more scathing in their criticism and directly referenced the president.
"The President's failure to hold Saudi Arabia responsible in any meaningful way for the death of Jamal Khashoggi is just one more example of this White House's retreat from American leadership on issues like human rights and protecting the free press," the vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., said in a statement.
Although he said the government should always consider the U.S.' close cooperation with the oil-rich kingdom, Congressman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., accused President Trump of damaging America's "standing as a champion of human rights."
"To suggest 'maybe he did and maybe he didn't' or that we are incapable of finding out the truth, or that knowing the truth our silence can be bought with arms sales, undermines respect for the Office of the Presidency," Schiff said.
After labeling President Trump's response a "betrayal of long-established American values of respect for human rights," Fred Ryan, the publisher and CEO of the Washington Post, the newspaper for which Khashoggi penned opinion pieces, called on the administration to make the intelligence evidence on the murder public and urged Congress to act in the wake of "failure of leadership" from the White House.
"President Trump is correct in saying the world is a very dangerous place," Ryan said in a statement. "His surrender to this state-ordered murder will only make it more so. An innocent man, brutally slain, deserves better, as does the cause of truth and justice and human rights."

Well, at least in his statement yesterday he mentioned political/military benefits of remaining on friendly terms with S.A. It sounded better than the earlier "solely money" reason. Apparently there are dems and repubs that feel the $$ and the military/political reasons aren't that important and they seem to want us to walk away or at least cancel those contracts.
I have no idea who is right. I think it is a no win situation, to be frank, when an ally commits an atrocious murder and violation of human rights against a citizen because of opposing ideas. If we sanction Saudi Arabia, lose their contracts and their friendly disposition, Trump says power will shift in the M.E. And another country will benefit from the billions in business we give away.
There is no winning here. S.A. went beyond the pale with that stunt. They should be shunned. Maybe the UN can figure something out; have we quit there, yet? If we joined in an international ass chewing, perhaps it wouldn't be taken quite so severely by S.A. ?

 

[JimH52]

Isnt this an issue for the whole world and not just USA. We are the required torch carrier??

Torches aren't the issue. Weapons are. We're selling dictators the very weapons they use to murder and oppress their own people.

I don't expect the USA to be 'World Police', but we could at least avoid being an active accomplice to evil.

I didn't think trump could stoop lower....and he did. He admired Putin. He praises Kim. And now he is given a butcher in Saudi Arabia a green light to go after his enemies.

I guess we should expect that of someone who has an enemies list and is trying desperately to seek revenge against anyone who disagrees with him. He is using the DOJ like his hit squad. The Dem Congress needs to reign in the power of a man that is determined to turn the US into an Authoritarian State. The Royal trump Crime family has to go!

 

[candycorn]

I fail to see how any of this is our business

What do you say to his American wife and American kids? I’m just asking.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

You lost me when Adam Schitt said America is a champion of human rights.

The quotes in your link read like a 'Leave it to Beaver' screenplay.

Trump is playing it right!

So its ok now for us to talk about how America is not really a champion of human rights?

 

[candycorn]

Isnt this an issue for the whole world and not just USA. We are the required torch carrier??

Trump has been defending a murderer, Mohammed Bin Salman because Trump personally stands to profit from his relationship.

Trump first, USA whenever it suits.

Because it is none of our business and not worth pissing off a valuable ally.

If they were a “lesser" ally, would you care?

What do you say to his American wife and kids?

 

[dblack]

Isnt this an issue for the whole world and not just USA. We are the required torch carrier??

Torches aren't the issue. Weapons are. We're selling dictators the very weapons they use to murder and oppress their own people.

I don't expect the USA to be 'World Police', but we could at least avoid being an active accomplice to evil.

I didn't think trump could stoop lower....

C'mon. That's what he does. He's exceeding expectations!

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I fail to see how any of this is our business

What are you talking about?

You mean that a long time US Resident and US Journalist with three American born children who was lured, tortured, murdered and dismembered is none of our business? Do you think his American children would agree or disagree?

Did I get that right?

He wasn’t an American citizen nor was he killed on American soil. This kind of shit has gone on in the Middle East for thousands of years. Millions of people throughout that part of the world are oppressed every single day. Funny how you only care when you can make a political point out of it

You join trump as a slug....

Says the partisan hack who supported his Obamessiah paying off Iran who is a major sponsor of terrorism

 

[JimH52]

You lost me when Adam Schitt said America is a champion of human rights.

The quotes in your link read like a 'Leave it to Beaver' screenplay.

Trump is playing it right!

So its ok now for us to talk about how America is not really a champion of human rights?

It was okay many months ago. When trump had his loveathon with Putin....it should have shown us all what they, so called, man is...

 

[JimH52]

I fail to see how any of this is our business

What are you talking about?

You mean that a long time US Resident and US Journalist with three American born children who was lured, tortured, murdered and dismembered is none of our business? Do you think his American children would agree or disagree?

Did I get that right?

He wasn’t an American citizen nor was he killed on American soil. This kind of shit has gone on in the Middle East for thousands of years. Millions of people throughout that part of the world are oppressed every single day. Funny how you only care when you can make a political point out of it

You join trump as a slug....

Says the partisan hack who supported his Obamessiah paying off Iran who is a major sponsor of terrorism

That was their money...idiot...

 

[JimH52]

Isnt this an issue for the whole world and not just USA. We are the required torch carrier??

Trump has been defending a murderer, Mohammed Bin Salman because Trump personally stands to profit from his relationship.

Trump first, USA whenever it suits.

Because it is none of our business and not worth pissing off a valuable ally.

If they were a “lesser" ally, would you care?

What do you say to his American wife and kids?

It's all about trump's allegiance to profit. He doesn't really care about this country. He only cares about his orange ass and his criminal family.

 

[JimH52]

Lawmakers, even GOP lawmakers are sickened by Trump's alliance and defense of a man that the CIA has denounced as a murderer.

Donald Trump has no morals or ethics, but lawmakers are resiling from traveling down the dark hole with Donald Trump.

Let us hope that Satan's slave, Jared Kushner, is pushed out of the White House by the movement against Trump and the Saudis.

American's are embarrassed by Trump's association and defense of a murderer.

Lawmakers denounce Trump's backing of Saudis, despite Khashoggi killing

Lawmakers denounce Trump's backing of Saudis, despite Khashoggi killing

The White House's pledge to maintain its strong military and economic alliance with Saudi Arabia amid reports that U.S. intelligence has assessed that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the gruesome murder of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, has ignited a flurry of bipartisan condemnation in Washington.
After President Trump issued a remarkable statement on Tuesday in which he acknowledged that the heir apparent to the Saudi throne may have known about the "tragic event," but that his administration nevertheless "intended to remain a steadfast partner of Saudi Arabia," several Republican and Democratic members of Congress denounced the White House's position.
"I'm pretty sure this statement is Saudi Arabia First, not America First," Republican Sen. Rand Paul, an ally of the president but ardent critic of America's relationship with the Saudis, wrote on Twitter.
The lawmaker from Kentucky accused National Security Adviser and foreign policy hawk John Bolton of writing the statement and criticized American assistance to the Saudi-led coalition waging a bloody war against the Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen.
"We should, at the very least, NOT reward Saudi Arabia with our sophisticated armaments that they in turn use to bomb civilians," Paul added.
Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., who has largely embraced the administration's doctrine across the world, wrote on Twitter that "our foreign policy must be about promoting our national interests." The junior senator from Florida stressed that defending human rights is vital to America's national security because human rights violations fuel "mass migration," foster extremism and benefit governments hostile to the U.S.
In a statement, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said the U.S. can't overlook Khashoggi's high-profile killing and alleged dismemberment, and suggested that there was bipartisan support among lawmakers to sanction individuals involved in the assassination, including members of the royal family.
"While Saudi Arabia is a strategic ally, the behavior of the Crown Prince – in multiple ways – has shown disrespect for the relationship and made him, in my view, beyond toxic," Graham added.
Constant Trump critics Sen. Jeff Flake and Sen. Bob Corker also condemned the statement. The retiring senator from Arizona said "great allies" don't lure their own citizens into a trap, and then have them killed.
"I never thought I'd see the day a White House would moonlight as a public relations firm for the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia," Corker, who is also retiring, wrote on Twitter.
In his statement, President Trump touted Saudi Arabia's important role in America's national security apparatus and the billions of dollars he said the U.S has received in arms transactions with the royal family. He said U.S. intelligence agencies are still probing Khashoggi's murder. "Maybe he did and maybe he didn't!" President Trump said in a statement, referring to the possibility that the Saudi Crown Prince ordered the journalist's brutal killing.
Meanwhile, Democrats — who will have control of important House committees that could potentially investigate Khashoggi's assassination and the U.S.-Saudi alliance — were more scathing in their criticism and directly referenced the president.
"The President's failure to hold Saudi Arabia responsible in any meaningful way for the death of Jamal Khashoggi is just one more example of this White House's retreat from American leadership on issues like human rights and protecting the free press," the vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., said in a statement.
Although he said the government should always consider the U.S.' close cooperation with the oil-rich kingdom, Congressman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., accused President Trump of damaging America's "standing as a champion of human rights."
"To suggest 'maybe he did and maybe he didn't' or that we are incapable of finding out the truth, or that knowing the truth our silence can be bought with arms sales, undermines respect for the Office of the Presidency," Schiff said.
After labeling President Trump's response a "betrayal of long-established American values of respect for human rights," Fred Ryan, the publisher and CEO of the Washington Post, the newspaper for which Khashoggi penned opinion pieces, called on the administration to make the intelligence evidence on the murder public and urged Congress to act in the wake of "failure of leadership" from the White House.
"President Trump is correct in saying the world is a very dangerous place," Ryan said in a statement. "His surrender to this state-ordered murder will only make it more so. An innocent man, brutally slain, deserves better, as does the cause of truth and justice and human rights."

Well, at least in his statement yesterday he mentioned political/military benefits of remaining on friendly terms with S.A. It sounded better than the earlier "solely money" reason. Apparently there are dems and repubs that feel the $$ and the military/political reasons aren't that important and they seem to want us to walk away or at least cancel those contracts.
I have no idea who is right. I think it is a no win situation, to be frank, when an ally commits an atrocious murder and violation of human rights against a citizen because of opposing ideas. If we sanction Saudi Arabia, lose their contracts and their friendly disposition, Trump says power will shift in the M.E. And another country will benefit from the billions in business we give away.
There is no winning here. S.A. went beyond the pale with that stunt. They should be shunned. Maybe the UN can figure something out; have we quit there, yet? If we joined in an international ass chewing, perhaps it wouldn't be taken quite so severely by S.A. ?

The only fact we can deduce from this very low moment in American history is.....trump is a slug....

 

[candycorn]

Is the argument that we should look the other way because they sell oil to the west and control gas prices?

Does that mean that if Spain (for example) did the same thing to a dissident we would be more aggressive in seeking justice for their American wife and kids?

If so, can someone post a list of what nations have immunity which ones do not?

 

[candycorn]

Who gives a shit.

His American wife and kids.

 

[Richard-H]

Who gives a shit.

Everybody...except you!

 

[conserveguy877]

Wow! So now the Democrats plan going into a mindless war against Russia and Saudi Arabia if they take power. Who’s the war mongers now?

 

[candycorn]

Wow! So now the Democrats plan going into a mindless war against Russia and Saudi Arabia if they take power. Who’s the war mongers now?

Who said “war”?

 

[JimH52]

Wow! So now the Democrats plan going into a mindless war against Russia and Saudi Arabia if they take power. Who’s the war mongers now?

Not about war....it is about something trump knows nothing about....Decency....he has none. And Repub cult members drool over his lies....