The war is over

[marvin martian]

Would it matter?

Not to you, obviously.

 

[Staidhup]

You can choose to fight a war on another’s turf or on your own. We chose to take the fight to the root of the problem, fight against the forces of terrorism in an unorthodox new style of warfare against an enemy that is incapable of fighting on the field of battle whom chooses to hide behind human shields. So tell me what will you say when it’s on our soil? Bush’s, Trumps, fault? FYI The war against terrorism is very real, never ending, because you chose to withdraw doesn’t translate into the war is over, now it has the real possibility of coming to our soil, digest that for a while.
War as we knew it no longer exists.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Heh heh. The war is over. Right....

See yuns across the border in Pakistan.

 

[emilynghiem]

After 20 years, 6,294 dead Americans, over 20,000 wounded, and $2 trillion the Afghan War is finally over, and it involved the largest airlift in American history. It was estimated in July that 70,000 Afghans would have to be evacuated (see post above). 122,000 people were evacuated, 6,000 of which were Americans.

President Obama wanted to end the war in Afghanistan. He failed.

President Trump wanted to end the war in Afghanistan. He failed.

President Biden wanted to end the war in Afghanistan. Biden succeeded.

USA Today reports, "The final U.S. troops in Afghanistan flew out of Kabul Monday at 3:29 p.m. EDT, ending a costly 20-year occupation that started after the 9/11 terrorist attacks and leaving a war-torn country now run by the Taliban.

"The withdrawal, announced by the Pentagon, came one minute before Aug. 31 Kabul time, keeping the U.S. in the country right up until a deadline set by President Joe Biden's administration."

“Now, our 20-year military presence in Afghanistan has ended," Biden said in a statement, calling it the "unanimous recommendation of the Joint Chiefs and of all of our commanders on the ground to end our airlift mission as planned."

The sudden surrender by the Afghan army complicated matters for Biden as did an Afghan suicide bomber who murdered thirteen Americans and 170 Afghans.

USA Today continued, "The pullout capped a chaotic withdrawal of U.S. troops that was upended after the Taliban quickly took over the Afghan government this month. It turned deadly when a terrorist attack killed 13 U.S. service members and more than 160 Afghan civilians on Thursday as the U.S. scrambled to evacuate Americans and Afghan allies in the final days."

"Tonight's withdrawal signifies both the end of the military component of the evacuation, but also the end of the nearly 20-year mission that began in Afghanistan shortly after September 11, 2001." said Maj. Gen. Kenneth McKenzie Jr.

While 6,000 Americans were able to get out, apparently 250 didn't get the memo. They are still in Afghanistan and, supposedly, they want out. Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken promises to work with the Taliban to get those Americans and others out. There is an economic advantage for the Taliban to work with the U.S. and its allies. The Taliban needs us more than we need them.

President Biden deserves a pat on the back for a job well done.

Dear Sandy Shanks

If a hospital team cannot release a patient, because there are complications with surgery requiring further procedures,
do you "BLAME the hospital admin" for allowing surgeons to continuing operations (instead of ceasing them)
in order to save the life of the patient?

Do you even consider the reasons the Military advisers told Trump
that the country was not stable enough to pull out earlier?

If the hospital decides it is more important to declare the operations over,
do you credit them for NOT FOLLOWING the surgical team's medical advice and procedures?

I see no honor or credit in shutting down operations
before seeing people safely out.

That is clearly backwards.

If you are going to end operations, you listen to the people running them
so they make all transitions and exit strategies safely and effectively.

That is just common sense.

I understand Biden was trying to make a September 11 deadline.

If the problem was the summer months are the peaks of militant activity,
then the pullout should have been scheduled earlier for February.

If there was no way to avoid pulling out in the middle of the peak season,
more troops should have been sent in for US to secure the Kabul Airport as even
the TALIBAN offered to the US to manage security for the evacuations.

Maybe all this is hindsight, but for military Commander in Chief,
this job requires people with FORESIGHT who LISTEN to experienced Military leaders
when they advise AGAINST the timing of operations, or they ask for additional support.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

After 20 years, 6,294 dead Americans, over 20,000 wounded, and $2 trillion the Afghan War is finally over, and it involved the largest airlift in American history. It was estimated in July that 70,000 Afghans would have to be evacuated (see post above). 122,000 people were evacuated, 6,000 of which were Americans.

President Obama wanted to end the war in Afghanistan. He failed.

President Trump wanted to end the war in Afghanistan. He failed.

President Biden wanted to end the war in Afghanistan. Biden succeeded.

USA Today reports, "The final U.S. troops in Afghanistan flew out of Kabul Monday at 3:29 p.m. EDT, ending a costly 20-year occupation that started after the 9/11 terrorist attacks and leaving a war-torn country now run by the Taliban.

"The withdrawal, announced by the Pentagon, came one minute before Aug. 31 Kabul time, keeping the U.S. in the country right up until a deadline set by President Joe Biden's administration."

“Now, our 20-year military presence in Afghanistan has ended," Biden said in a statement, calling it the "unanimous recommendation of the Joint Chiefs and of all of our commanders on the ground to end our airlift mission as planned."

The sudden surrender by the Afghan army complicated matters for Biden as did an Afghan suicide bomber who murdered thirteen Americans and 170 Afghans.

USA Today continued, "The pullout capped a chaotic withdrawal of U.S. troops that was upended after the Taliban quickly took over the Afghan government this month. It turned deadly when a terrorist attack killed 13 U.S. service members and more than 160 Afghan civilians on Thursday as the U.S. scrambled to evacuate Americans and Afghan allies in the final days."

"Tonight's withdrawal signifies both the end of the military component of the evacuation, but also the end of the nearly 20-year mission that began in Afghanistan shortly after September 11, 2001." said Maj. Gen. Kenneth McKenzie Jr.

While 6,000 Americans were able to get out, apparently 250 didn't get the memo. They are still in Afghanistan and, supposedly, they want out. Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken promises to work with the Taliban to get those Americans and others out. There is an economic advantage for the Taliban to work with the U.S. and its allies. The Taliban needs us more than we need them.

President Biden deserves a pat on the back for a job well done.

I read you're a cretin and need excuses for Xiden bad enough to come up with this worthless excuse for a thread.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

I thought trump was responsible for pulling troops out?

He is and Xiden is responsible for the the poor execution. The OP is a PROG, their words have no meaning and subject to change tomorrow.

 

[kyzr]

He is and Xiden is responsible for the the poor execution. The OP is a PROG, their words have no meaning and subject to change tomorrow.

One of Trump's "conditions" was that the Taliban share power with the government. The Taliban wanted all the power and mounted an offenvive that Xiden and the Afghan army couldn't handle, and captured the country. Xiden failed miserably, he surrendered AFG and all the US equipment.
Short term the war is over, long term its just beginning. Xiden is a catastrophe.

 

[Samofvt]

The OP clearly has a bias. Although somewhat factual, I refuse to give the current president a "pat on the back". All he had to do was follow through on the existing plan, and he botched that. You think the last president couldn't have done the same thing? Why didn't he? Trump didn't because he knew there was still work to be done in order to get it done safely. I will grudgingly give Biden some credit for at least doing something, but not full credit.

[I don't usually trust CNN as a source of information, the following chart was cross checked and seems to agree with other sources, although the quoted 2500 troop level at Jan 2021 seems dubious...anyone?]​

 

[Lesh]

One of Trump's "conditions" was that the Taliban share power with the government. The Taliban wanted all the power and mounted an offenvive that Xiden and the Afghan army couldn't handle, and captured the country. Xiden failed miserably, he surrendered AFG and all the US equipment.
Short term the war is over, long term its just beginning. Xiden is a catastrophe.

And should have done what?

Surged 40,000 troops?

 

[kyzr]

And should have done what?

Surged 40,000 troops?

Should have done what the CIA and the Joint Chiefs recommended.
Where did you get that 40,000 troop number?
Usually air power suffices.
The last 18-months before Xiden there were no US casualties.

 

[Lesh]

Should have done what the CIA and the Joint Chiefs recommended.
Where did you get that 40,000 troop number?
Usually air power suffices.
The last 18-months before Xiden there were no US casualties.

We don’t have air power any more? Who knew!

 

[eagle7-31]

After 20 years, 6,294 dead Americans, over 20,000 wounded, and $2 trillion the Afghan War is finally over, and it involved the largest airlift in American history. It was estimated in July that 70,000 Afghans would have to be evacuated (see post above). 122,000 people were evacuated, 6,000 of which were Americans.

President Obama wanted to end the war in Afghanistan. He failed.

President Trump wanted to end the war in Afghanistan. He failed.

President Biden wanted to end the war in Afghanistan. Biden succeeded.

USA Today reports, "The final U.S. troops in Afghanistan flew out of Kabul Monday at 3:29 p.m. EDT, ending a costly 20-year occupation that started after the 9/11 terrorist attacks and leaving a war-torn country now run by the Taliban.

"The withdrawal, announced by the Pentagon, came one minute before Aug. 31 Kabul time, keeping the U.S. in the country right up until a deadline set by President Joe Biden's administration."

“Now, our 20-year military presence in Afghanistan has ended," Biden said in a statement, calling it the "unanimous recommendation of the Joint Chiefs and of all of our commanders on the ground to end our airlift mission as planned."

The sudden surrender by the Afghan army complicated matters for Biden as did an Afghan suicide bomber who murdered thirteen Americans and 170 Afghans.

USA Today continued, "The pullout capped a chaotic withdrawal of U.S. troops that was upended after the Taliban quickly took over the Afghan government this month. It turned deadly when a terrorist attack killed 13 U.S. service members and more than 160 Afghan civilians on Thursday as the U.S. scrambled to evacuate Americans and Afghan allies in the final days."

"Tonight's withdrawal signifies both the end of the military component of the evacuation, but also the end of the nearly 20-year mission that began in Afghanistan shortly after September 11, 2001." said Maj. Gen. Kenneth McKenzie Jr.

While 6,000 Americans were able to get out, apparently 250 didn't get the memo. They are still in Afghanistan and, supposedly, they want out. Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken promises to work with the Taliban to get those Americans and others out. There is an economic advantage for the Taliban to work with the U.S. and its allies. The Taliban needs us more than we need them.

President Biden deserves a pat on the back for a job well done.

Spin control central for Thief in Chief Biden. LOL

 

[JGalt]

From communist Democrat's point of view, Biden deserves a pat on the back for his surrender.

Keep patting

He certainly is fulfilling their lifelong wishes of seeing this country humiliated.

 

[whitehall]

The war has been over since democrats refused to fight it. Equipment and personnel left behind and chaos reigns. The president has other things to do as he looks at his watch impatiently while they take the bodies of dead heroes off the plane. It's still a mess, Americans are in danger and our loyal Afghan allies are being slaughtered in their beds. Thanks Joe.

 

[Independentthinker]

After 20 years, 6,294 dead Americans, over 20,000 wounded, and $2 trillion the Afghan War is finally over, and it involved the largest airlift in American history. It was estimated in July that 70,000 Afghans would have to be evacuated (see post above). 122,000 people were evacuated, 6,000 of which were Americans.

President Obama wanted to end the war in Afghanistan. He failed.

President Trump wanted to end the war in Afghanistan. He failed.

President Biden wanted to end the war in Afghanistan. Biden succeeded.

USA Today reports, "The final U.S. troops in Afghanistan flew out of Kabul Monday at 3:29 p.m. EDT, ending a costly 20-year occupation that started after the 9/11 terrorist attacks and leaving a war-torn country now run by the Taliban.

"The withdrawal, announced by the Pentagon, came one minute before Aug. 31 Kabul time, keeping the U.S. in the country right up until a deadline set by President Joe Biden's administration."

“Now, our 20-year military presence in Afghanistan has ended," Biden said in a statement, calling it the "unanimous recommendation of the Joint Chiefs and of all of our commanders on the ground to end our airlift mission as planned."

The sudden surrender by the Afghan army complicated matters for Biden as did an Afghan suicide bomber who murdered thirteen Americans and 170 Afghans.

USA Today continued, "The pullout capped a chaotic withdrawal of U.S. troops that was upended after the Taliban quickly took over the Afghan government this month. It turned deadly when a terrorist attack killed 13 U.S. service members and more than 160 Afghan civilians on Thursday as the U.S. scrambled to evacuate Americans and Afghan allies in the final days."

"Tonight's withdrawal signifies both the end of the military component of the evacuation, but also the end of the nearly 20-year mission that began in Afghanistan shortly after September 11, 2001." said Maj. Gen. Kenneth McKenzie Jr.

While 6,000 Americans were able to get out, apparently 250 didn't get the memo. They are still in Afghanistan and, supposedly, they want out. Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken promises to work with the Taliban to get those Americans and others out. There is an economic advantage for the Taliban to work with the U.S. and its allies. The Taliban needs us more than we need them.

President Biden deserves a pat on the back for a job well done.

LOL. Yeah, Biden did a bangup job.

 

[toobfreak]

It was estimated in July that 70,000 Afghans would have to be evacuated (see post above). 122,000 people were evacuated, 6,000 of which were Americans.

Probably few or none of them would have had to go had Joe not let the country fall to the Taliban.

President Trump wanted to end the war in Afghanistan. He failed.

Trump failed? He won! He was the one who said we needed to leave as far back as 2013 and set the ball into motion last year to get us the hell out of there. And he did.

President Biden wanted to end the war in Afghanistan.

What took him 20 years then?

Biden succeeded.

If this is what Joe's "successes" look like, I'd hate to see his failures.

President Biden deserves a pat on the back for a job well done.

And you need your head examined.

 

[Lesh]

Probably few or none of them would have had to go had Joe not let the country fall to the Taliban.


Trump failed? He won! He was the one who said we needed to leave as far back as 2013 and set the ball into motion last year to get us the hell out of there. And he did.


What took him 20 years then?


If this is what Joe's "successes" look like, I'd hate to see his failures.


And you need your head examined.

Pure bullshit.

The only alternative was to surge troops and extend this mess forever

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Three previous Presidents could not get us out of Afghanistan.

President Biden did and the cacophony of criticism and Monday morning quarterbacking continues.

6,000 Americans were evacuated in the largest airlift in American history. 100 to 200 Americans remain in Afghanistan for various reasons that are beyond the scope of the President's responsibility. Instead of praising our President for the 97% of Americans he brought to safety, the media and his critics concentrate on the 3% who didn't get the memo.

President Biden was successful in evacuating approximately 116,000 Afghans, a figure far beyond the original estimate of Afghan allies and their families. The July estimate of 70,000 according to NPR is never mentioned by the media. Media and other critics seem to be telling us that Biden should have evacuated 70% of the Afghan population because they are suffering from poverty and starvation.

Now this is interesting. You probably won't hear much about this on the media.

The Hill reports, "Two defense officials told CNN that the U.S. military had a secret agreement with the Taliban to have Americans escorted to the Hamid Karzai International Airport as they sought escape from the country amid the military's evacuation efforts.

"CNN reported that U.S. special operations groups set up a "secret gate" at the Kabul airport as well as "call centers" to help Americans with the evacuation process.

"Americans were instructed to gather at "muster points" near the airport where the Taliban collected them, checked their credentials and took them to the aforementioned gate.

"One of the officials told CNN that these secret evacuation missions took place "several times a day."

"It worked, it worked beautifully," the official added.

 

[Samofvt]

Three previous Presidents could not get us out of Afghanistan.

Now this is interesting. You probably won't hear much about this on the media.

The Hill reports, "Two defense officials told CNN that the U.S. military had a secret agreement with the Taliban to have Americans escorted to the Hamid Karzai International Airport as they sought escape from the country amid the military's evacuation efforts.

"CNN reported that U.S. special operations groups set up a "secret gate" at the Kabul airport as well as "call centers" to help Americans with the evacuation process.

"Americans were instructed to gather at "muster points" near the airport where the Taliban collected them, checked their credentials and took them to the aforementioned gate.

"One of the officials told CNN that these secret evacuation missions took place "several times a day."

"It worked, it worked beautifully," the official added.

This information contradicts other reports. The operation I heard about was this one (below), and the Taliban were not helping, they were HUNTING them. After 20 years, does anyone really know which were our allies and which ones not?

‘Pineapple Express’: US vets volunteer to secretly rescue allies in Afghanistan

The weeklong secret operation dubbed “Pineapple Express” has been carried out by a group of special ops veterans including retired Green Berets and SEAL Team commanders, they told ABC N…

nypost.com

 

[Nostra]