The video I just saw from the trial of the Floyd incident with the audio of the crowd around looked pretty bad

[Leo123]

I said your statement comes from a white privileged world (attitude). The idea that
‘the cops can kill based on being afraid until the arrestee is dead’ is collateral damage from two centuries of white dominance of American society which includes law enforcement.
The idea that ‘four cops can kill a handcuffed arrestee based on being afraid until the arrestee is dead’ is racist in the case. Don’t really care that you don’t agree.

I’ll add this to my argument. Its a good description of what happened:

Yeah you are a racist so of course you would say something like that. No one ever said cops can kill so, you are also a fucking liar. You are obsessed with race and skin color and all you want to do is come here spreading your outrageous racist dogma. You are not only a fool but a useful and dangerous tool for the radical left.

 

[Leo123]

I’m not a leftist. I never liked the power that white evangelical Christians and the gun lobby have over the Republican Party. Since the rightwing Christians accepted Trump as their political savior I am sickened by the Republican Party and I don’t see a cure.

But if your argument boils down to calling me a Marxist I check you off as having none.

I’ve had better rightwingers than you run away from me before.

That reminds me of the famous statement made by an infamous President "I'm not a crook!!" You are certainly a leftist, racist and a Marxist. You also have a bad case of TDS.

 

[Leo123]

Recent police supervisor testimony is not favorable to Chauvin's defense.
Experienced responsible police management stated Chauvin did it wrong.
In my humble opinion, that testimony will likely be an important part of jury considerations.
Maybe determinative.

In my non-police, non-EMT view, what I see is a man lying on his belly hemmed in by a vehicle flanking his entire right side, hemmed in by his hands handcuffed behind his back, and hemmed in by 4 police officers kneeling on points spanning the length of his body from neck to feet.

And then, after there is no movement from the man for some minutes one of the officers continues for some more minutes to remain with his knee on the man's neck.

Despite the personal history, criminal record, or drug use by the dead man prior to this police encounter......... America is not for summary execution. I believe that Chauvin didn't intend to kill the man. But I can be persuaded he didn't care that much if he did. Sort of a 'so be it, he's a druggie'.

Chauvin is, in my opinion, guilty of killing Floyd.
How the law and the jury applies it's gradations of homicide, I'll leave to them.

That's a very myopic view of the whole incident, IMO. Facts say Floyd was drugged to the hilt, did not obey law enforcement AFTER he was arrested for a felony, tried to hurt himself and got himself in a hypertensive state which exacerbated his inability to breathe brought on by his high Fentanyl blood level and his ingestion of Meth. Coroner did not list strangulation as the cause of death either. The fact is, we will never know what went through Chauvin's mind at the time. My guess is that he was not aware of Floyd's drug use and medical condition and thought he was doing his job. It is also not uncommon for cops to be yelled at by bystanders as they do their job so, trying to say that he should have stopped because people were yelling at him is a non-starter.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You are certainly a leftist, racist and a Marxist.

Is that your best argument?

Your comment proves otherwise.

The “you are a Marxist” Chauvin defense has two now. Its still a non-argument.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Coroner did not list strangulation as the cause of death either.

Strangulation was not the only means by which breathing can be inhibited by the hand of another, thus ruled a homicide.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

My guess is that he was not aware of Floyd's drug use and medical condition and thought he was doing his job.

That excuse does not work unless you think that keeping a knee on a dead man’s neck for a couple minutes after hearing for several minutes from a handcuffed man on his stomach that he can’t breathe.

Do you actually think that Chauvin’s job is to ignore what his supervisors say about doing his job?

Prosecutor Matthew Frank asked Zimmerman whether in his more than 30 years with the Minneapolis Police Department he had ever been trained to kneel on a person’s neck while that person is handcuffed and in the prone position. (Prone position is when a person lies flat with their chest down.)​

Chauvin's Use Of Force 'Totally Unnecessary,' Minneapolis Police Lt. Testifies​

Zimmerman said no, adding that doing so would “absolutely” be considered a use of “deadly force.”​

“If your knee is on a person’s neck, that can kill him,” Zimmerman testified.​

He said a person could still be combative when they are handcuffed but that the threat level against an officer would be very low.​

“They’re cuffed ― how can they really hurt you, you know?” Zimmerman said. He added that an officer should move a person, once handcuffed, out of the prone position “as soon as possible” because such a position hinders the person’s ability to breathe.​

“Once a person is cuffed, you need to turn a person on the side or sit them up,” Zimmerman said. “You need to get them off their chest.”​

I know you shrugged that off because you think Chauvin had the right to kill Floyd if he was afraid of being hurt if he rolled him on his side to let him breathe.

And all that shit about Floyd's drug use and medical condition has no bearing on his decision (yes it was a decision) to not give Floyd a chance to breathe before died.

Being afraid to turn Floyd on his side is no excuse for murder.

 

[Leo123]

Strangulation was not the only means by which breathing can be inhibited by the hand of another, thus ruled a homicide.

Floyd did not die of asphyxiation. Floyd died because he was a stupid Jerk-Thug who tried to pass off bad paper and got caught with his spleen full of drugs and acted like a complete psychopath.

 

[Leo123]

That excuse does not work unless you think that keeping a knee on a dead man’s neck for a couple minutes after hearing for several minutes from a handcuffed man on his stomach that he can’t breathe.

Do you actually think that Chauvin’s job is to ignore what his supervisors say about doing his job?


Prosecutor Matthew Frank asked Zimmerman whether in his more than 30 years with the Minneapolis Police Department he had ever been trained to kneel on a person’s neck while that person is handcuffed and in the prone position. (Prone position is when a person lies flat with their chest down.)
Chauvin's Use Of Force 'Totally Unnecessary,' Minneapolis Police Lt. Testifies
Zimmerman said no, adding that doing so would “absolutely” be considered a use of “deadly force.”
“If your knee is on a person’s neck, that can kill him,” Zimmerman testified.
He said a person could still be combative when they are handcuffed but that the threat level against an officer would be very low.
“They’re cuffed ― how can they really hurt you, you know?” Zimmerman said. He added that an officer should move a person, once handcuffed, out of the prone position “as soon as possible” because such a position hinders the person’s ability to breathe.
“Once a person is cuffed, you need to turn a person on the side or sit them up,” Zimmerman said. “You need to get them off their chest.”
I know you shrugged that off because you think Chauvin had the right to kill Floyd if he was afraid of being hurt if he rolled him on his side to let him breathe.

And all that shit about Floyd's drug use and medical condition has no bearing on his decision (yes it was a decision) to not give Floyd a chance to breathe before died.

Being afraid to turn Floyd on his side is no excuse for murder.

There in red.....“Once a person is cuffed, you need to turn a person on the side or sit them up,”They already DID that. Watch the fucking videos!!! Right before they tried to get him in the patrol car!!! Floyd fought them every step of the way. But, I get it, you'd rather steep yourself in racism and hatred than actually confront the truth.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

They already DID that. Watch the fucking videos!!! Right before they tried to get him in the patrol car!!! Floyd fought them every step of the way.

You are a dimwit aren’t you. It was the nine minutes after Chauvin arrived and put his knee on Floyd’s neck and kept it there and never gave him a chance to breathe properly and it killed him.

 

[Snouter]

During most of those "nine minutes," the Opiod/Meth addict was blabbering gibberish and thus was able to breathe although he did say he had breathing issues when he was fighting with the three cops in the cop SUV. The odd thing is why didn't the EMT crew not suspect an overdose from the start when it is unfortunately not uncommon? Ghetto area, no breathing, no pulse means it is likely an overdose of Fent or similar. In fact many households are encouraged to have doses of Narcan or similar since they almost instantly are an antidote for the fact Opiod overdose stops breathing which stops the heart. Worst case is that it would not have hurt the patient to at least try. So did the EMT's explain why they did not administer Narcan? Meanwhile, that felon who was a passenger in the front seat of the Mercedes SUV that Floyd was operating under the influence needs to be forced to testify but he is apparently pleading the Fifth.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

But, I get it, you'd rather steep yourself in racism and hatred than actually confront the truth.

What truth am I not confronting. - Everything I’ve posted contains transcripts from the trial .

You are the one saying the police testimony on the use of force by Chauvin is stupid. You
are the one rejecting the truth, not me.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Its an ignorant claim to say drugged super sized and super violent Floyd couldn't hurt anyone handcuff--I mean really really ignorant.

Not as ignorant as you trying to sell the idea that four police officers against one handcuffed arrestee have the right to kill that person if they are afraid of being harmed. In your white privileged world. The cops may kill without testing if the handcuffed arrestee is still resisting. The cops can kill based on being afraid until the arrestee is dead. And in Chauvin’s case he was apparently afraid of a dead still body until the unarmed EMT came along and ever so bravely tapped Chauvin gently on his leg to get him to quit being afraid and pull his knee off the dead man’s neck.

Are you really this dense? Floyd over dosed on drugs---what the cops did or didn't do didn't matter. Floyd was a goner wh

Recent police supervisor testimony is not favorable to Chauvin's defense.
Experienced responsible police management stated Chauvin did it wrong.
In my humble opinion, that testimony will likely be an important part of jury considerations.
Maybe determinative.

In my non-police, non-EMT view, what I see is a man lying on his belly hemmed in by a vehicle flanking his entire right side, hemmed in by his hands handcuffed behind his back, and hemmed in by 4 police officers kneeling on points spanning the length of his body from neck to feet.

And then, after there is no movement from the man for some minutes one of the officers continues for some more minutes to remain with his knee on the man's neck.

Despite the personal history, criminal record, or drug use by the dead man prior to this police encounter......... America is not for summary execution. I believe that Chauvin didn't intend to kill the man. But I can be persuaded he didn't care that much if he did. Sort of a 'so be it, he's a druggie'.

Chauvin is, in my opinion, guilty of killing Floyd.
How the law and the jury applies it's gradations of homicide, I'll leave to them.

Do you not understand basic law..you can not convict the cop of murder based on you "feeling" that the cop didn't care about Floyd living or dying.

Nothing the cop did caused Floyd to die.

 

[Snouter]

Here is Arnold with probably four times more poundage on the nape of his neck than that of Derek Chauvin's knee. My guess is this pose was held for more than nine minutes and at the very least Arnold probably wanted it to last longer than that.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Floyd over dosed on drugs---what the cops did or didn't do didn't matter.

Yeah, right? This had nothing to do with it?

 

[Yarddog]

9 minutes face down on the ground with a knee on his neck is indefensible. According to testimony, an EMT tried to check Floyd's pulse and render aid but was ordered to get back.

At the very least Chauvin should go to prison for involuntary manslaughter.

Yeah agreed. I will usually give the cops the benefit of the doubt, but in a case like this, once the cuffs are on and the guy is on his face, he then deserves a chance to comply. He never even got that chance and he wasnt moving.
The fact that the EMT on the scene had to remove Chauvin's knee from Floyd's neck tells a lot about Chauvin. He F'd up and I am still waiting to hear his explanation. It doesn't matter if Floyd was on drugs, beat his wife and was a scumbag...
The same laws and limits that protect scumbags also protect everyone else who might be wrongfully accused.

 

[Snouter]

Yarddog, Floyd said "I want to lay on the ground" so the cops obliged. Floyd was continuously moving and potentially fighting until he succumbed to the drug cocktail he was on. If I recall it is only about 2 minutes when Floyd went unconscious before the EMTs arrived and if the EMTs hit him with Narcan immediately (despite their fears of the boisterous ghetto crowd), he might have had a chance, although the Meth in his system would not be reversed by Narcan.

Knee to the nape of the neck of the Dindu Nuttin with the cop firing punches and the perp is still talking and shit. Has any douchebag asking for badge numbers ever done anything with the badge numbers?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Here is Arnold with probably four times more poundage on the nape of his neck than that of Derek Chauvin's knee.

Its not the weight, its the position. Its called positional asphyxia," when someone cannot breathe in a certain position.

DOJ: 'As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach'​

The technique is widely recognized as dangerous. Department of Justice guidance on use of force says "unexplained in-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia," when someone cannot breathe in a certain position.​

"As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach," the Justice Department advises.​

The report says a suspect may appear to be resisting if the airway is blocked: "The natural reaction to oxygen deficiency occurs — the person struggles more violently."​

"When somebody says, 'I can’t breathe,' that is a medical emergency and you get EMS to treat them right way," Peters said. "Because at that point, the suspect becomes a patient."​

 

[Yarddog]

Knee to the nape of the neck of the Dindu Nuttin with the cop firing punches and the perp is still talking and shit. Has any douchebag asking for badge numbers ever done anything with the badge numbers?

"We don' need no stinkeen badge numbers"

 

[Snouter]

NotfooledbyW, so that is why chiropractors suggest not sleeping on the stomach or side! You can actually die from sleeping incorrectly. But yeah, rewatch the videos. Floyd said he had breathing issues (indicative of Opiod overdose, plus he was on Meth kind of an opposite drug) while he fought with the cops in the backseat of the cop SUV before he asked the cops to lay him on the street.

 

[Leo123]

The “you are a Marxist” Chauvin defense has two now. Its still a non-argument.

No, just calling you as we see it. It has nothing to do with Chauvin.