The video I just saw from the trial of the Floyd incident with the audio of the crowd around looked pretty bad

The obvious answer is that if was NOT ruled a homicide the BLM riots would ensue.

The actual cause of death “police restraint” is on video and the exact moment of death is graphically captured here:


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No one needs a medical examiner report to understand what caused George Floyd to die.

The knee was on the neck when GF’s heart stopped beating and it was there for minutes after death occurred.

Was that excessive use of force? No if you believe Black lives don’t matter. Yes if you believe Black Lives Matter even when they are into trouble with police but are restrained and not a threat.
 
the agitation was his own fault.

.....not after he was on the ground for more than 30 seconds in this position .

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after that the responsibility for life, death and health of GF shifted to the police that were restraining him.

Every witness on the scene knew that and communicated that to the cops who all four refused to stop killing a man. Why?
 
The actual cause of death “police restraint” is on video and the exact moment of death is graphically captured here:
Perhaps Floyd would have fared better had he not resisted. If he did, there would have been no need for that kind of restraint. Better yet, had he not taken narcotics and had he not tried to pass a bad bill he wouldn't have been stopped in the first place. Floyd was treated with respect, he was asked to exit the car, which he refused to do, he didn't comply with the cop's orders, screamed and yelled when put in the patrol car and was thrashing around injuring himself in the back seat. Look at ALL the videos, not just the one that satisfies your hatred of law enforcement. I posted a few, they are not hard to find for those who don't want to be brainwashed by BLM bullshit.
 
yes it makes sense.. in light of why police officers are not permitted or not advised to restrain a suspect in the way Chauvin did.
Unbelievable. We read the same sentence
Sounds to ME like they're saying the guy got agitated and upset and overloaded his already unhealthy and drugged-up heart. Which is true, and quite frankly, the agitation was his own fault.

no the county medical examiner explicitly said it was a homicide, and the fault of the method of police officers applying restraint.

The restraint itself has caused a death in Minneapolis prior to Floyd. it cost Minneapolis $3 million that time.


Floyd isn't the first person who has died after being pinned down by a Minneapolis police officer. In 2010, 28-year-old David Smith died after an officer pinned him down with a knee to the back for about four minutes. The city settled a lawsuit for $3 million, said Robert Bennett, a Minneapolis attorney who represented Smith's family.​


As part of the settlement, the city agreed to train officers on the proper use of force, Bennett said. He doesn't know whether that training ever took place.​
Officer Chauvin had to know about that death cause md by pressure on the back - so it should be easy to concluded that Chauvin wanted to see Floyd die because there was a cop on Floyd’s back and Chauvin added his knee to the neck just to make sure.​
Minneapolis settled for $27 million this time as it is apparent that the City did not learn a fucking thing when it’s police officers kilked David Smith off camera.​
This should be mandatory reading for every Trump voter who joins the demonizing if the black victims of police brutality every time it happens because they cannot tolerate the thought that Black Lives Matter..​
Minneapolis Police Were Sued A Decade Ago In Similar Restraint Case May 29, 20208:26 PM ET​

In recent years, many police departments have trained officers to be alert to the risk of what's called "positional asphyxia," the possibility that prolonged restraint of a suspect in a prone position can be deadly. It's a lesson some in the Minneapolis Police Department already learned once, 10 years ago.​
Minneapolis paid out $3 million to settle a lawsuit over the 2010 death of David Smith, 28. The young black man was mentally ill, his attorneys said, and died after officers Tasered him and then held him facedown on the floor for several minutes. One of them kept a knee on his back even after he stopped responding to questions.​
This week, many police on social media condemned the video of Floyd's arrest, saying they'd been trained never to knee a suspect in the neck, or maintain pressure on someone's back longer than necessary.​
As for me & mine, we have been trained 1 knee on the ground sucked up to the arrestee's body, while the other knee is in a position not directly on them, but able to apply pressure on the midback if they become resistive. I reiterate, never have I been trained knee to neck.​
We are also trained to get people, as soon as safe and feasible, up off the ground and into a car, or at the very least into the recovery position on their side. There are several opportunities in this video to do just that, but it never happens, and a man dies. 6:53 PM · May 26, 2020
Stoughton says one of the most important failures in the Minneapolis video from Monday was the fact that other officers did not intervene or even appear to say anything to Chauvin as he knelt on Floyd's neck.​
Walter Katz, an expert in police reform and oversight with Arnold Ventures, says he's even more dismayed by Chauvin's indifference to the anguished complaints from bystanders.​
"People were yelling at him as to what he was doing, and he continued to do so," Katz says. "To me that is not a training issue. To me that is a reflection of a culture issue."​
He says questions of tactics matter less here than the officers' attitude toward the person being restrained.​
"If there's a belief that some members of the community deserve less dignity than others, these types of things will keep on happening," Katz says.

Hey, I have the solution!! Don't pass bad bills and don't take narcotics....Oh yeah, and don't resist getting into the car. Don't expect every cop to be your guardian angel, they are just human beings.
 
The argument appears to be that Floyd was on drugs and was going to die anyway.

Just like older people who get COVID. Hey, they were gonna die anyway, it wasn't the virus.

Sense a trend here?
No one said any of that. Fentynal was in Floyd's system and it was a contributory factor to his demise along with the speed he took.
 
My understanding of a ruling of "homicide" in an autopsy is NOT a judgement of culpability, which is for the court to decide, in a case like this where the cause of death isn't from an overt act by another person, such as gunshot or stab wounds or strangulation. It means the internal workings of his own body and the drugs he put in his body were triggered during interaction with another person. It's for the court to decide whether or not those interactions on the part of the other person constitute criminal behavior.

One assumes the defense attorney will explain this at some point.
Yes, Floyd was clearly combative, hypertensive, etc. Is there an expectation that Chauvin should have known this? I did not hear anyone who saw the videos (before the autopsy) say Floyd was whacked out on drugs.
 
And homicide is by the actions of another person...it could be accidental or murder....if it was simply an overdose, no one else involved, it would be an accidental death, not a homicide...



According to the National Association of Medical Examiners (NAME), “[h]omicide occurs when death results from a volitional act committed by another person to cause fear, harm, or death.” In a publication entitled A Guide for Manner of Death Classification, NAME specifically notes “t is to be emphasized that the classification of Homicide for the purposes of death certification is a ‘neutral’ term and neither indicates nor implies criminal intent, which remains a determination within the province of legal processes.”
I watched all the videos and did not see anyone have the volition to harm Floyd. They were trying to restrain him there was no attempt to cause fear or harm or even death. And yes, criminal intent is to be decided by a jury not by the crazed BLM supporters on this Forum.
 
Don't pass bad bills

Why have you convicted Floyd of passing a bad bill? Is it guilty until proven innocent in your white privilege world? He may not have known. Its not like he passed a bad bill and fled the scene. There was not a call that he was violent prior to the cops arriving.
 
I watched all the videos and did not see anyone have the volition to harm Floyd. They were trying to restrain him there was no attempt to cause fear or harm or even death.

That is not what Chauvin’s superviser and the Chief of Police told the jury. You appear to be watching the video through racially fogged up spectacles - There is no other explanation for not seeing an arrestee being tortured and asphyxiated for until.

Continued the torture after Floyd was dead for God’s sake and you see him being simply and normal restrained.

Its people like you that makes it necessary that BLM needs to exist.
 
Imagine if Floyd was a white blonde woman. You assholes wouldn’t be blaming the victim for a knee to the neck for 8 minutes. Even you racists who see how utterly brutal it was can’t help but drop lines blaming the victim. No one is sainting a drug abuser but you guys don’t see a human murdered. You see a black man getting his due. This place reeks.
White blonde woman is unlikely to be 6'7 and as much threat to others as our violent, very violent and very huge, and very very high on drugs out of his mind Floyd was------------------

Floyd was a pos --the cops handled the best they could and actually did damn great job. Floyd od on drugs and died as druggy criminals are meant to do--early on.

I see a violent criminal high on drugs getting what his life style choices dictate he would eventually get--an early grave. His departure from the planet is a good thing especially for the black community especially among those to stupid to figure out that violent black criminals on drugs like he was are a threat to the black community. He would have certainly went on to victimize other blacks----------------AS AGAIN PROXIMITY IS THE #1 FACTOR IN CHOOSING VICTIMS hence why usually it is same race victims of criminals most often. What a bunch of dipshits..with no morals and no clue about anything.
 
Imagine if Floyd was a white blonde woman. You assholes wouldn’t be blaming the victim for a knee to the neck for 8 minutes. Even you racists who see how utterly brutal it was can’t help but drop lines blaming the victim. No one is sainting a drug abuser but you guys don’t see a human murdered. You see a black man getting his due. This place reeks.
White blonde woman is unlikely to be 6'7 and as much threat to others as our violent, very violent and very huge, and very very high on drugs out of his mind Floyd was------------------

Floyd was a pos --the cops handled the best they could and actually did damn great job. Floyd od on drugs and died as druggy criminals are meant to do--early on.

I see a violent criminal high on drugs getting what his life style choices dictate he would eventually get--an early grave. His departure from the planet is a good thing especially for the black community especially among those to stupid to figure out that violent black criminals on drugs like he was are a threat to the black community. He would have certainly went on to victimize other blacks----------------AS AGAIN PROXIMITY IS THE #1 FACTOR IN CHOOSING VICTIMS hence why usually it is same race victims of criminals most often. What a bunch of dipshits..with no morals and no clue about anything.
A minor thing, but wasn’t Floyd 6‘6“?
I’m normally not one to nitpick other posters’ posts, but the media in rushing to get the story out first is lax on accuracy of time frames and other numerical data. Floyd’s height seems to change from one report to another, but I’ve mostly read 6‘6“.
 
I watched all the videos and did not see anyone have the volition to harm Floyd. They were trying to restrain him there was no attempt to cause fear or harm or even death.

That is not what Chauvin’s superviser and the Chief of Police told the jury. You appear to be watching the video through racially fogged up spectacles - There is no other explanation for not seeing an arrestee being tortured and asphyxiated for until.

Continued the torture after Floyd was dead for God’s sake and you see him being simply and normal restrained.

Its people like you that makes it necessary that BLM needs to exist.
I never mentioned race but YOU sure as Hell did, you racist.
Don't pass bad bills

Why have you convicted Floyd of passing a bad bill? Is it guilty until proven innocent in your white privilege world? He may not have known. Its not like he passed a bad bill and fled the scene. There was not a call that he was violent prior to the cops arriving.
That’s why Floyd was stopped you glittering fool.
 
Imagine if Floyd was a white blonde woman. You assholes wouldn’t be blaming the victim for a knee to the neck for 8 minutes. Even you racists who see how utterly brutal it was can’t help but drop lines blaming the victim. No one is sainting a drug abuser but you guys don’t see a human murdered. You see a black man getting his due. This place reeks.
White blonde woman is unlikely to be 6'7 and as much threat to others as our violent, very violent and very huge, and very very high on drugs out of his mind Floyd was------------------

Floyd was a pos --the cops handled the best they could and actually did damn great job. Floyd od on drugs and died as druggy criminals are meant to do--early on.

I see a violent criminal high on drugs getting what his life style choices dictate he would eventually get--an early grave. His departure from the planet is a good thing especially for the black community especially among those to stupid to figure out that violent black criminals on drugs like he was are a threat to the black community. He would have certainly went on to victimize other blacks----------------AS AGAIN PROXIMITY IS THE #1 FACTOR IN CHOOSING VICTIMS hence why usually it is same race victims of criminals most often. What a bunch of dipshits..with no morals and no clue about anything.
A minor thing, but wasn’t Floyd 6‘6“?
I’m normally not one to nitpick other posters’ posts, but the media in rushing to get the story out first is lax on accuracy of time frames and other numerical data. Floyd’s height seems to change from one report to another, but I’ve mostly read 6‘6“.
I've seen 6'6 mentioned by several posters now---but orginally floyd was listed as 6'7 by the media---I am not sure if this figure came from off his driver's license or off the or one of the ME reports. I suspect that he was likely something between and it depends on how you round the figure. Guys always say they are bigger----so I suspect he rounded up on his DL/s.
 
I never mentioned race but YOU sure as Hell did, you racist.

what the hell is this you lying racist?

the crazed BLM supporters

You say you see no intent to harm Floyd in the videos. You have to be a racist not to see intent to harm when three cops are holding a man on the ground to restrain a man and for minutes after he is dead.

They could have let him get on his side to breathe but they just did not care at all whether or not a man could breathe. If you prevent a man from breathing are you not intentionally trying to kill him?
 
That’s why Floyd was stopped you glittering fool.

I did not ask you why he was stopped. I asked why you have convicted him for passing a bad bill when no charges were filed and he didn’t get a day in court because he was executed on the spot without a trial.
 
It's not just this place. This is Trumpism.
I should have known!!!! Your answer to Floyd's death: "Orange Man Bad!!" Honestly you TDSers are so fucking predictable.
I didn't say Trump. I said Trumpism.

You're so sensitive about the man you adore, that you can't even read now.

Not my problem.
 
“If your knee is on a person’s neck, that can kill him,” says the longest serving police officer on Minneapolis PD 26856199
I watched all the videos and did not see anyone have the volition to harm Floyd. They were trying to restrain him there was no attempt to cause fear or harm or even death.

There is something seriously wrong with you.


Richard Zimmerman, the longest serving police officer on Minneapolis PD, says Derek Chauvin’s use of force on George Floyd was "totally unnecessary" and "uncalled for."

Prosecutor Matthew Frank asked Zimmerman whether in his more than 30 years with the Minneapolis Police Department he had ever been trained to kneel on a person’s neck while that person is handcuffed and in the prone position. (Prone position is when a person lies flat with their chest down.)

Chauvin's Use Of Force 'Totally Unnecessary,' Minneapolis Police Lt. Testifies

Zimmerman said no, adding that doing so would “absolutely” be considered a use of “deadly force.”

“If your knee is on a person’s neck, that can kill him,” Zimmerman testified.

He said a person could still be combative when they are handcuffed but that the threat level against an officer would be very low.

“They’re cuffed ― how can they really hurt you, you know?” Zimmerman said. He added that an officer should move a person, once handcuffed, out of the prone position “as soon as possible” because such a position hinders the person’s ability to breathe.

“Once a person is cuffed, you need to turn a person on the side or sit them up,” Zimmerman said. “You need to get them off their chest.”
 
“If your knee is on a person’s neck, that can kill him,” says the longest serving police officer on Minneapolis PD 26856199
I watched all the videos and did not see anyone have the volition to harm Floyd. They were trying to restrain him there was no attempt to cause fear or harm or even death.

There is something seriously wrong with you.


Richard Zimmerman, the longest serving police officer on Minneapolis PD, says Derek Chauvin’s use of force on George Floyd was "totally unnecessary" and "uncalled for."

Prosecutor Matthew Frank asked Zimmerman whether in his more than 30 years with the Minneapolis Police Department he had ever been trained to kneel on a person’s neck while that person is handcuffed and in the prone position. (Prone position is when a person lies flat with their chest down.)

Chauvin's Use Of Force 'Totally Unnecessary,' Minneapolis Police Lt. Testifies

Zimmerman said no, adding that doing so would “absolutely” be considered a use of “deadly force.”

“If your knee is on a person’s neck, that can kill him,” Zimmerman testified.

He said a person could still be combative when they are handcuffed but that the threat level against an officer would be very low.

“They’re cuffed ― how can they really hurt you, you know?” Zimmerman said. He added that an officer should move a person, once handcuffed, out of the prone position “as soon as possible” because such a position hinders the person’s ability to breathe.

“Once a person is cuffed, you need to turn a person on the side or sit them up,” Zimmerman said. “You need to get them off their chest.”
Its an ignorant claim to say drugged super sized and super violent Floyd couldn't hurt anyone handcuff--I mean really really ignorant.
 
Its an ignorant claim to say drugged super sized and super violent Floyd couldn't hurt anyone handcuff--I mean really really ignorant.

Not as ignorant as you trying to sell the idea that four police officers against one handcuffed arrestee have the right to kill that person if they are afraid of being harmed. In your white privileged world. The cops may kill without testing if the handcuffed arrestee is still resisting. The cops can kill based on being afraid until the arrestee is dead. And in Chauvin’s case he was apparently afraid of a dead still body until the unarmed EMT came along and ever so bravely tapped Chauvin gently on his leg to get him to quit being afraid and pull his knee off the dead man’s neck.
 

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