The video I just saw from the trial of the Floyd incident with the audio of the crowd around looked pretty bad

So? It was on video broadcast across the world.

Pleoger didn’t know about the video when he arrived in the scene. He arrived on the scene because the 911 dispatcher who saw Floyd on the ground for so long she called the cops on the cops.. She called Pleoger. Chauvin was not straight with him about the knee or the duration of that knee on George Floyd’s neck. The knee onthe neck of an unconscious man for several minutes.,

if that bystander video did not exist Pleoger and the rest of the world may not have ever known about it.
 
"As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach," the Justice Department advises unless the suspect is black of course and the arresting officer is white. 26852543
Officer Chauvin had no way of knowing the Mr. Floyd ingested lethal amounts of narcotics and methamphetamines.

So Chauvin figures a healthy black male can breathe normally for nearly ten minutes with a knee on the neck and another officer applying pressure on his back while hogtied and on his stomach. Chauvin decides the Justice Departnent is full of shit and now, because he was caught on video, he asks the world to believe Floyd was about to die on the spot anyway.

DOJ: 'As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach'​
The technique is widely recognized as dangerous. Department of Justice guidance on use of force says "unexplained in-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia," when someone cannot breathe in a certain position.​
"As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach," the Justice Department advises.​
The report says a suspect may appear to be resisting if the airway is blocked: "The natural reaction to oxygen deficiency occurs — the person struggles more violently."​
"When somebody says, 'I can’t breathe,' that is a medical emergency and you get EMS to treat them right way," Peters said. "Because at that point, the suspect becomes a patient."​
 
Anyone thinking the defense will demonstrate that a knee to the nape of the neck does not prevent breathing? At the moment, I weigh in at 200 pounds and when I place a scale in a similar position to how former Officer Chauvin did, it reads about 35 pounds. Derek Chauvin weighs in supposedly at around 160 so doing the math that is about 26 pounds of pressure. Meanwhile weightlifters, as George Floyd was, can handle massive amounts of weight in that area of the body. I know someone had a video posted at one time showing that a knee to the nape of the neck inhibits movement, because moving will expose more sensitive areas, but does nothing by itself, which is probably why cops have used the technique for years.
 

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So Chauvin figures a healthy black male can breathe normally for nearly ten minutes with a knee on the neck and another officer applying pressure on his back while hogtied and on his stomach. Chauvin decides the Justice Departnent is full of shit and now, because he was caught on video, he asks the world to believe Floyd was about to die on the spot anyway.

DOJ: 'As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach'The technique is widely recognized as dangerous. Department of Justice guidance on use of force says "unexplained in-custody deaths are caused more often than is generally known by a little-known phenomenon called positional asphyxia," when someone cannot breathe in a certain position."As soon as the suspect is handcuffed, get him off his stomach," the Justice Department advises.The report says a suspect may appear to be resisting if the airway is blocked: "The natural reaction to oxygen deficiency occurs — the person struggles more violently.""When somebody says, 'I can’t breathe,' that is a medical emergency and you get EMS to treat them right way," Peters said. "Because at that point, the suspect becomes a patient."
Yes, a healthy black male would survive such an encounter. Mr. Floyd, unfortunately, did not because of his drug abuse. Sad really for everyone.
 
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Anyone thinking the defense will demonstrate that a knee to the nape of the neck does not prevent breathing? At the moment, I weigh in at 200 pounds and when I place a scale in a similar position to how former Officer Chauvin did, it reads about 35 pounds. Derek Chauvin weighs in supposedly at around 160 so doing the math that is about 26 pounds of pressure. Meanwhile weightlifters, as George Floyd was, can handle massive amounts of weight in that area of the body. I know someone had a video posted at one time showing that a knee to the nape of the neck inhibits movement, because moving will expose more sensitive areas, but does nothing by itself, which is probably why cops have used the technique for years.
Floyd killed himself...Simple as that.
 
Did you seriously READ that? How did cardiopulmonary arrest 'complicate' law enforcement subduing Floyd? Does that even make any sense? Your conclusion of "a homicide' is not supported by that statement.

The report itself says it was a homicide.

Which means nothing and is not to be confused with murder.

THE me only has a few choices---floyd did not die of disease. Nor did he die of suicide, execution from state, accident, or from some undetermined reason---which only leaves one other category for the ME to fill out the death certificate with homicide. Thusly, unlike you pretend--Homicide from an ME is not a designation of murder----------



 
Did you seriously READ that? How did cardiopulmonary arrest 'complicate' law enforcement subduing Floyd? Does that even make any sense? Your conclusion of "a homicide' is not supported by that statement.

The report itself says it was a homicide.

Which means nothing and is not to be confused with murder.

THE me only has a few choices---floyd did not die of disease. Nor did he die of suicide, execution from state, accident, or from some undetermined reason---which only leaves one other category for the ME to fill out the death certificate with homicide. Thusly, unlike you pretend--Homicide from an ME is not a designation of murder----------




I didn’t even say murder. I said homicide.
 
Then why was it ruled a homicide. Are you saying the cause if death was unknown?
Good question, why was it ruled a homicide when Floyd did not die of asphyxiation and had elevated levels of narcotics in his system? The obvious answer is that if was NOT ruled a homicide the BLM riots would ensue.

Any excuse will do.
 
Imagine if Floyd was a white blonde woman. You assholes wouldn’t be blaming the victim for a knee to the neck for 8 minutes. Even you racists who see how utterly brutal it was can’t help but drop lines blaming the victim. No one is sainting a drug abuser but you guys don’t see a human murdered. You see a black man getting his due. This place reeks.
 
Did you seriously READ that? How did cardiopulmonary arrest 'complicate' law enforcement subduing Floyd? Does that even make any sense? Your conclusion of "a homicide' is not supported by that statement.

The report itself says it was a homicide.

Which means nothing and is not to be confused with murder.

THE me only has a few choices---floyd did not die of disease. Nor did he die of suicide, execution from state, accident, or from some undetermined reason---which only leaves one other category for the ME to fill out the death certificate with homicide. Thusly, unlike you pretend--Homicide from an ME is not a designation of murder----------




I didn’t even say murder. I said homicide.
And homicide is by the actions of another person...it could be accidental or murder....if it was simply an overdose, no one else involved, it would be an accidental death, not a homicide...



According to the National Association of Medical Examiners (NAME), “[h]omicide occurs when death results from a volitional act committed by another person to cause fear, harm, or death.” In a publication entitled A Guide for Manner of Death Classification, NAME specifically notes “t is to be emphasized that the classification of Homicide for the purposes of death certification is a ‘neutral’ term and neither indicates nor implies criminal intent, which remains a determination within the province of legal processes.”
 
Then why was it ruled a homicide. Are you saying the cause if death was unknown?
Good question, why was it ruled a homicide when Floyd did not die of asphyxiation and had elevated levels of narcotics in his system? The obvious answer is that if was NOT ruled a homicide the BLM riots would ensue.

My understanding of a ruling of "homicide" in an autopsy is NOT a judgement of culpability, which is for the court to decide, in a case like this where the cause of death isn't from an overt act by another person, such as gunshot or stab wounds or strangulation. It means the internal workings of his own body and the drugs he put in his body were triggered during interaction with another person. It's for the court to decide whether or not those interactions on the part of the other person constitute criminal behavior.

One assumes the defense attorney will explain this at some point.
 
The autopsy showed cardiac arrest as the cause of death.

Actually the County Medical examiner determined it was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression." ..... a homicide ..... death by the hand of another.

Sounds to ME like they're saying the guy got agitated and upset and overloaded his already unhealthy and drugged-up heart. Which is true, and quite frankly, the agitation was his own fault.
 
Imagine if Floyd was a white blonde woman. You assholes wouldn’t be blaming the victim for a knee to the neck for 8 minutes. Even you racists who see how utterly brutal it was can’t help but drop lines blaming the victim. No one is sainting a drug abuser but you guys don’t see a human murdered. You see a black man getting his due. This place reeks.
It's not just this place. This is Trumpism.
 
Floyd killed himself...Simple as that.
You’re entitled to your opinion. But the medical examiners disagree with you.
The manner of death they described this as is “homicide”, not “suicide”.
The argument appears to be that Floyd was on drugs and was going to die anyway.

Just like older people who get COVID. Hey, they were gonna die anyway, it wasn't the virus.

Sense a trend here?
 
Its not just this place. This is Trumpism.
Its your own fault

race-baiting libs played the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf for too long, beginning with Obama and the crazy harvard professor

And the many incidents after that where the left attempted to make hero’s and victims out of black criminals, and blame the white race for their demise

Speaking for myself I am exhausted and fed up to here with the antics of people in the hood
 
"cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

Did you seriously READ that? How did cardiopulmonary arrest 'complicate' law enforcement subduing Floyd? Does that even make any sense?

yes it makes sense.. in light of why police officers are not permitted or not advised to restrain a suspect in the way Chauvin did.
 
Sounds to ME like they're saying the guy got agitated and upset and overloaded his already unhealthy and drugged-up heart. Which is true, and quite frankly, the agitation was his own fault.

no the county medical examiner explicitly said it was a homicide, and the fault of the method of police officers applying restraint.

The restraint itself has caused a death in Minneapolis prior to Floyd. it cost Minneapolis $3 million that time.


Floyd isn't the first person who has died after being pinned down by a Minneapolis police officer. In 2010, 28-year-old David Smith died after an officer pinned him down with a knee to the back for about four minutes. The city settled a lawsuit for $3 million, said Robert Bennett, a Minneapolis attorney who represented Smith's family.​


As part of the settlement, the city agreed to train officers on the proper use of force, Bennett said. He doesn't know whether that training ever took place.​
Officer Chauvin had to know about that death cause md by pressure on the back - so it should be easy to concluded that Chauvin wanted to see Floyd die because there was a cop on Floyd’s back and Chauvin added his knee to the neck just to make sure.​
Minneapolis settled for $27 million this time as it is apparent that the City did not learn a fucking thing when it’s police officers kilked David Smith off camera.​
This should be mandatory reading for every Trump voter who joins the demonizing if the black victims of police brutality every time it happens because they cannot tolerate the thought that Black Lives Matter..​

Minneapolis Police Were Sued A Decade Ago In Similar Restraint Case May 29, 20208:26 PM ET​

In recent years, many police departments have trained officers to be alert to the risk of what's called "positional asphyxia," the possibility that prolonged restraint of a suspect in a prone position can be deadly. It's a lesson some in the Minneapolis Police Department already learned once, 10 years ago.​
Minneapolis paid out $3 million to settle a lawsuit over the 2010 death of David Smith, 28. The young black man was mentally ill, his attorneys said, and died after officers Tasered him and then held him facedown on the floor for several minutes. One of them kept a knee on his back even after he stopped responding to questions.​
This week, many police on social media condemned the video of Floyd's arrest, saying they'd been trained never to knee a suspect in the neck, or maintain pressure on someone's back longer than necessary.​

As for me & mine, we have been trained 1 knee on the ground sucked up to the arrestee's body, while the other knee is in a position not directly on them, but able to apply pressure on the midback if they become resistive. I reiterate, never have I been trained knee to neck.​
We are also trained to get people, as soon as safe and feasible, up off the ground and into a car, or at the very least into the recovery position on their side. There are several opportunities in this video to do just that, but it never happens, and a man dies. 6:53 PM · May 26, 2020
Stoughton says one of the most important failures in the Minneapolis video from Monday was the fact that other officers did not intervene or even appear to say anything to Chauvin as he knelt on Floyd's neck.​
Walter Katz, an expert in police reform and oversight with Arnold Ventures, says he's even more dismayed by Chauvin's indifference to the anguished complaints from bystanders.​
"People were yelling at him as to what he was doing, and he continued to do so," Katz says. "To me that is not a training issue. To me that is a reflection of a culture issue."​
He says questions of tactics matter less here than the officers' attitude toward the person being restrained.​
"If there's a belief that some members of the community deserve less dignity than others, these types of things will keep on happening," Katz says.
 
The argument appears to be that Floyd was on drugs and was going to die anyway.

Millions of people are on drugs who do not die suddenly and within seven minutes of being breathing walking talking and alive.

Its not a coincidence that just happened to occur at this moment in time caught on video.

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He could not say “I HAVE NO PULSE”
 

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