The victims speak!

(1) Where were they when Joe Biden was President?

(2) They better have more accurate information than E. Jean Carroll. The problem you Leftists have is that you used a woman who had (a) zero evidence, (b) couldn't get the day, week, month, or even year right, (c) lied about what she was wearing, and (d) had no witnesses... yet you turned it into a "rape case".

With these elements, it's hard to consider events that the Democrats put up as anything but political and often charades.

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LOL Long before 2016 we saw pictures of Trump and Epstein together partying. The convicted felon is a child rapist, something that seems common to a certain class of the extremely wealthy. I say release all the information and let the chips fall where they may. Of course, the far right wing yellow sheets are going to tell ridiculous lies to cover for their favorite felon. And the MAGAts are going eat that shit up.
 
LOL Long before 2016 we saw pictures of Trump and Epstein together partying. The convicted felon is a child rapist, something that seems common to a certain class of the extremely wealthy. I say release all the information and let the chips fall where they may. Of course, the far right wing yellow sheets are going to tell ridiculous lies to cover for their favorite felon. And the MAGAts are going eat that shit up.

The last known photo of Trump with Epstein is pre-2003. What says a lot is that Trump had Epstein thrown out of his resort and banned when he heard Epstein tried to recruit young ladies. You don't get to ostracize someone like that if they have any blackmail material on you.
 
"Please Mr. Trump, release the files" - Epstein survivor

"Its a democratic hoax" - Epstein Friend and President
 
Calling it a hoax is really suspicious. Seems like he’s hiding something.

Does MAGA not see this? Or do they just not care?
 
Clooney and Gates are believable. I doubt Obama was involved.
I'm watching for any kind of corroborating evidence from any of the remaining survivors.
 

"House Republicans on Wednesday approved a measure to show support for the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee’s investigation into matters surrounding the deceased sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

The measure was unveiled on Tuesday as a clear alternative to a bill from Reps. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) and Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) to require the Justice Department to release Epstein-related material, which GOP leaders and the White House are hoping to quash."
 
It took me a while to find anything on this (the Victims of Epstein forming their own press release)

Sharing before I get to watch the entire release, myself.



In her comments she said they would reveal who was 'regularly' involved in the 'Epstein world', she doesn't qualify that it will be a list of specifically who had sex or inappropriate behavior with those who are putting names on a list.

She was in her 20's when she says Epstein abused her, she wasn't a minor, she was trying to start a modeling career in NY. And when you're trying to do that and a connected billionaire promises to do that for you, what do you think a young woman would do? If he raped her back then, she should have filed charges. Now she's starting a podcast, so all of the notoriety and fame will boost her popularity. And she returned to NY a 'completely different person', but apparently still kept in contact with Epstein.

Not exactly who I would want to be representing me if I were a victim of his as a young underage girl. And after reading the entire article, I call bullshit that she was ever 'abused', I'm guessing she was rewarded for what she gave him both in getting signed as a model and monetarily.

Phillips' story is complex. She describes Epstein as her abuser, but also her mentor. He assaulted and manipulated her, but he also championed her career. She cried when he died in 2019, even though she hated him.
Phillips started modeling when she was 16. She had worked all over the world − South Africa, Greece, Miami, Los Angeles − before moving to New York, where she set her sights on signing with a prestigious modeling agency.

That agency, she says, rejected her, telling her she wasn't ready. On a shoot in the British West Indies shortly after, a fellow model said she had a friend on an island nearby. Phillips, then 21, went with her, and it was there she met Epstein.

"He was so charming and asked me all the right questions, made me feel seen and heard, and I had never had a man talk to me that way or show that much interest in me," she says. "He made me feel very special."

Later during her stay, Phillips says a woman approached her. She nonchalantly told Phillips that Epstein wanted a massage. Unnerved, Phillips obliged − and she says the massage turned into Epstein sexually assaulting her. Multiple women have alleged they were assaulted by Epstein in a similar manner, under the guise of a massage.

“Obviously I'm on an island, and I couldn't get away," Phillips says. "And so I went through with it.” When Phillips told the woman who passed along Epstein's request what he did to her, the woman brushed it off.

Shaken, Phillips says, she returned to the photo shoot and finished that job the next day. She returned to New York "a completely different person."

For several weeks after the assault, Epstein's secretaries called Phillips relentlessly, she says, pushing her to meet with him again. She refused every time. Then, Epstein himself called.

He said he remembered her dreams of modeling and acting. He said he could make those dreams come true.
She met with him, and he delivered on his promise: He introduced her to the head of the agency that had rejected her, and they signed her that day, Phillips says.

Phillips says she continued to endure sexual abuse from Epstein for years after that. She says the assaults mostly happened in Epstein's now infamous Upper Eastside mansion. “I would always meet him in his office and spend a good hour talking to him in his office and praying to God it doesn't happen," she says. "But usually it did.”

Despite the abuse, Phillips says, Epstein became like “a mentor” to her. It wasn't until she connected with other victims years later that she began to see Epstein for who he really was.

www.usatoday.com

Jeffrey Epstein, a survivor’s untold story and the complexity of abuse

 
may those who seek justice get it, and if all h*ll breaks loose , so be it......~S~
 
The fastest way to end all of it is complete transparency. Let them name names, and if they make themselves liable for slander or defamation? Let that play out to.
Complete transparency would include some evidence beyond simple accusations in a manner that leaves all parties accountable.
 
In her comments she said they would reveal who was 'regularly' involved in the 'Epstein world', she doesn't qualify that it will be a list of specifically who had sex or inappropriate behavior with those who are putting names on a list.

She was in her 20's when she says Epstein abused her, she wasn't a minor, she was trying to start a modeling career in NY. And when you're trying to do that and a connected billionaire promises to do that for you, what do you think a young woman would do? If he raped her back then, she should have filed charges. Now she's starting a podcast, so all of the notoriety and fame will boost her popularity. And she returned to NY a 'completely different person', but apparently still kept in contact with Epstein.

Not exactly who I would want to be representing me if I were a victim of his as a young underage girl. And after reading the entire article, I call bullshit that she was ever 'abused', I'm guessing she was rewarded for what she gave him both in getting signed as a model and monetarily.

Phillips' story is complex. She describes Epstein as her abuser, but also her mentor. He assaulted and manipulated her, but he also championed her career. She cried when he died in 2019, even though she hated him.
Phillips started modeling when she was 16. She had worked all over the world − South Africa, Greece, Miami, Los Angeles − before moving to New York, where she set her sights on signing with a prestigious modeling agency.

That agency, she says, rejected her, telling her she wasn't ready. On a shoot in the British West Indies shortly after, a fellow model said she had a friend on an island nearby. Phillips, then 21, went with her, and it was there she met Epstein.

"He was so charming and asked me all the right questions, made me feel seen and heard, and I had never had a man talk to me that way or show that much interest in me," she says. "He made me feel very special."

Later during her stay, Phillips says a woman approached her. She nonchalantly told Phillips that Epstein wanted a massage. Unnerved, Phillips obliged − and she says the massage turned into Epstein sexually assaulting her. Multiple women have alleged they were assaulted by Epstein in a similar manner, under the guise of a massage.

“Obviously I'm on an island, and I couldn't get away," Phillips says. "And so I went through with it.” When Phillips told the woman who passed along Epstein's request what he did to her, the woman brushed it off.

Shaken, Phillips says, she returned to the photo shoot and finished that job the next day. She returned to New York "a completely different person."

For several weeks after the assault, Epstein's secretaries called Phillips relentlessly, she says, pushing her to meet with him again. She refused every time. Then, Epstein himself called.

He said he remembered her dreams of modeling and acting. He said he could make those dreams come true.
She met with him, and he delivered on his promise: He introduced her to the head of the agency that had rejected her, and they signed her that day, Phillips says.

Phillips says she continued to endure sexual abuse from Epstein for years after that. She says the assaults mostly happened in Epstein's now infamous Upper Eastside mansion. “I would always meet him in his office and spend a good hour talking to him in his office and praying to God it doesn't happen," she says. "But usually it did.”

Despite the abuse, Phillips says, Epstein became like “a mentor” to her. It wasn't until she connected with other victims years later that she began to see Epstein for who he really was.

www.usatoday.com

Jeffrey Epstein, a survivor’s untold story and the complexity of abuse

Do you have a take away, summary, conclusion from all that?
 
It took me a while to find anything on this (the Victims of Epstein forming their own press release)

Sharing before I get to watch the entire release, myself.


How long have they been "victims".

I am very skeptical about this entire thing.
 
How long have they been "victims".

I am very skeptical about this entire thing.
There is nothing wrong with being skeptical.

I am as skeptical as well.

One of my first reactions was the same as yours.

In fact, after listening to some of them speak, I started thinking, at least some of them knew what they were doing and were essentially prostitutes.

Then I thought of the ones who were clearly underage. Prostitutes or not, if they were underage, that's rape. Statutory Rape. Right?

That sort of crime, statutory rape or even just hooking up with prostitutes, is something that a powerful person or politician could be blackmailed or compromised by. Correct?

Any videos or other evidence of it is something that a powerful person or politician could be blackmailed or compromised by. Correct?

So, with all that taken into consideration, I want to know who the "Johns" were.

Whether the women/ victims were "pure" as the white driven snow. Or not.
 
Then I thought of the ones who were clearly underage. Prostitutes or not, if they were underage, that's rape. Statutory Rape. Right?
If something happened.

How long ago would that have been?
Any videos or other evidence of it is something that a powerful person or politician could be blackmailed or compromised by. Correct?
Video would be killer.

So, with all that taken into consideration, I want to know who the "Johns" were.
Alleged Johns. You can see the potential for corruption.
 
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If something happened.

How long ago would that have been?

Video would be killer.


Alleged Johns. You can see the potential for corruption.
Like I said, I also am a skeptic.

Less now than I was before.

These women aren't going away, and I'm glad for that. It may be the only way we are ever going to get the government files on all of this released.

As for it being a long time ago? I don't care how long ago some guy raped or molested an underage girl. There is no statute of limitations on public opinion.
 
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