The US is still a white nation, despite the jews' best efforts. Iran is a white nation. Why does Israel want a war between the two so badly?

[Marŝi tra la Cindro]

Are you insane?

Or just human filth?

I mean, that's exactly how jews look at shkotzim anyway: Animals in human form created to serve them as dangerous but useful livestock.

And they wonder why I'm such a hateful bastard I won't die for their wars.

 

[verker]

Are you insane?

Or just human filth?

I am in best seat in adult but yet not fucked women ... I am white performer ...

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Invariably the threat presented is Muslims, and specifically the Muslim nations Israel considers an immediate threat to its national security

This tells me you know JACK SHIT about recent news.. You seem to be COMPLETELY UNAWARE that Israel has been normalizing relations with almost every Muslim country in the Mid-East.. Full out PEACE and TRADE between nations is blooming there... WHY????

Because the ARAB Middle East is at WAR with Iran.. Maybe a cold one now --- but Iran's proxies are breaking the peace of MANY Arab muslim nations. And they see that a UNIFIED Mid East with Israel INCLUDED is a BETTER deterent than facing Iran alone..

You're irrelevant -- because you're ignorant of this alliance between Arab Muslims and the Jewish state. You live under a rock or something?

The Arab Middle East is NOT at war with Iran. Israeli warmongers want such a war. Many powerful U.S. imperialist “Security State” types want it as well. They, and short-sighted Zionist-connected American politicians like Trump, in a hundred ways encourage Sunni-Shia & Arab-Persian conflicts and support the Sunni despots and Gulf Oil sheikdoms who feed the Petrodollar machinery of Wall Street and the U.S. financial empire. They fear democratic movements and do everything they can to turn them into religious or tribal civil wars, from Libya to Iraq.

The U.S.-supported “alliance of Israel with corrupt Gulf Oil sheikdoms” is at the expense of the Arab and Iranian peoples, whose interests are objectively in peace, democratic reforms, free trade, and investments from all foreign powers (including Europe and China).

The Palestinian “national liberation movement” has been destroyed and will probably never recover. Peace between Arab peoples and Israel, just like peace between Persians and Israelis, is obviously a good thing. But so long as the U.S. supports the Saudi war against Yemen and sides with Arab butchers like MSB of Saudi Arabia against Iranian theocrats, so long as we continue sanctioning Syria and Iran and interfering militarily in Iraq, no real progress is possible.

P.S. The creator of this OP is obviously a vicious and ignorant anti-Semite, whom I will ignore here.

 

[flacaltenn]

The Arab Middle East is NOT at war with Iran.

Didn't get too far before we had a factual difference. Iranian proxies in Yemen bombing Saudi oil fields. Iranian proxies in the Sinai organizing in Egypt, Iranian proxies in Lebanon and Syrian war.. Iranian MILITARY now claiming 1/3 or more of Iraq.. WhereTF have you been?

 

[Unkotare]

Another anti-Semitic troll thread by a spineless idiot.

 

[fncceo]

Every time you turn around there's some jew or other larping as a white guy

I went a different way...

 

[Mindful]

Another Joo thread.

Never fails.

 

[flacaltenn]

No; I said you”re the Moron. Do you really think Jewish means they are for illegal immigration ?
Try to read this time; Another Non Jewish Moron

Yes.
Read their own words: Jews Unite Behind Push for Immigration Reform

Really? A seven year old criticism of Obama era policy? Guess everyone back then KNEW we ALL were in favor of some kind of immigration reform.. Or Obama wouldn't have to have build cages for kids or set records deporting illegals. What were JEWS proposing specifically? Advertising "free stuff" if you can salsa dance thru the cactus and make it across the border? Making illegal entry LEGAL? Those are Democrats doing that silly boy... Not Jews..

And this isn't YOUR ORIGINAL topic is it? The one where demonstrated complete ignorance about any recent news or events in the MidEast.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Iranian MILITARY now claiming 1/3 or more of Iraq...

What? You have to be kidding...

As for the rest, Shia Arabs have perfectly natural, if distant and complex relations with Shia Persian Iran. But they speak different languages and have very different traditions. They often do have common fears given U.S. support to Sunni Gulf Oil sheikdoms and Israel (in alliance now with those same forces). You sound like somebody who has a thoroughly superficial understanding of this part of the world and of the complex relationships and competition that exists within and across the Sunni/Shia world. “Proxy” is a word that you should probably first strike from your vocabulary if you ever expect to get a deeper understanding. Even U.S. “proxies” on the CIA payroll regularly switch alliances and work at cross purposes.

 

[flacaltenn]

They often do have common fears given U.S. support to Sunni Gulf Oil sheikdoms and Israel (in alliance now with those same forces).

Well at least NOW you understand that what I corrected about your assessment of power alignment was correct. Not so much Shia/Shiite war.. More a NATION STATE confrontation between Iran and Muslim Arabs in whole. And in that millieu, Israel has become a key ally to those Mid-East nation states against Iran.. Not JUST under Trump.. All manner of opening up trade and SECURITY AGREEMENTS have been flying around those parts for about a decade now..

As for the 1/3 Iraq occupation claim by elite Iranian military units that I made -- ARE YOU REALLY DISPUTING THIS? Better check the facts. That's NOT a "proxy army".. It's the real deal..m

 

[Marŝi tra la Cindro]

No; I said you”re the Moron. Do you really think Jewish means they are for illegal immigration ?
Try to read this time; Another Non Jewish Moron

Yes.
Read their own words: Jews Unite Behind Push for Immigration Reform

Really? A seven year old criticism of Obama era policy? Guess everyone back then KNEW we ALL were in favor of some kind of immigration reform.. Or Obama wouldn't have to have build cages for kids or set records deporting illegals. What were JEWS proposing specifically? Advertising "free stuff" if you can salsa dance thru the cactus and make it across the border? Making illegal entry LEGAL? Those are Democrats doing that silly boy... Not Jews..

And this isn't YOUR ORIGINAL topic is it? The one where demonstrated complete ignorance about any recent news or events in the MidEast.

Wait you're a jew?

 

[Unkotare]

No; I said you”re the Moron. Do you really think Jewish means they are for illegal immigration ?
Try to read this time; Another Non Jewish Moron

Yes.
Read their own words: Jews Unite Behind Push for Immigration Reform

Really? A seven year old criticism of Obama era policy? Guess everyone back then KNEW we ALL were in favor of some kind of immigration reform.. Or Obama wouldn't have to have build cages for kids or set records deporting illegals. What were JEWS proposing specifically? Advertising "free stuff" if you can salsa dance thru the cactus and make it across the border? Making illegal entry LEGAL? Those are Democrats doing that silly boy... Not Jews..

And this isn't YOUR ORIGINAL topic is it? The one where demonstrated complete ignorance about any recent news or events in the MidEast.

Wait you're a jew?

Wait, you're a sackless, chickenshit loser?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

As for the 1/3 Iraq occupation claim by elite Iranian military units that I made -- ARE YOU REALLY DISPUTING THIS? Better check the facts. That's NOT a "proxy army".. It's the real deal..

I am definitely disputing this. Show me a link to prove I am wrong!

Even during the eight-year Iran-Iraq War — you know the one we encouraged Saddam Hussein to initiate after Khomeini came to power — Iran never occupied significant Iraqi territory, let alone 1/3. When the Persian Iranian army finally looked like it might win that terrible war, Saddam used chemical weapons to throw back the Iranians. The U.S., by the way, helped Iraq then and ignored Saddam’s war crimes.

The only thing I can imagine you are speaking about would be during the civil war with fascist Sunni ISIS, when mostly Arab Iraqi Shia militia — armed and trained by Iran — at the call of the Iraqi Shia religious authorities rose up to save Baghdad from ISIS. In this period there may also have been a few small elite Arabic-speaking Iranian units mobilized to stop the genocidal anti-Shia ISIS advance.

The U.S. trained Iraqi army had thrown away its weapons and run. Baghdad would have fallen had these popular forces not saved the day. The U.S. soldier-trainers of the Iraq Army and the U.S. Air Force at that time did not oppose the Iran-armed and trained militia “Minutemen” who saved Iraq and U.S. forces did not attack them — for the very reason that they were essential to defeating ISIS! Of course once ISIS was defeated in Iraq an intense political struggle renewed, but this is and was between Iraqi Arab militia (now officially on the government’s payroll) and Iraqi regular army forces and politicians loyal to many different leaders and many different factions of Kurds, the Shia majority and also Sunnis. After the help rendered by Iran to the fight against ISIS of course neighboring Iran’s influence and prestige increased for awhile, but this was perfectly natural and inevitable.

The best U.S. policy would be to get its remaining troops out of Iraq and Syria and let Iraq trade freely with its next-door neighbor Iran. Also China has indicated it is willing to invest in Iraq, but the U.S. is dead set against this. Iraq could rebuild much quicker if China were allowed to rebuild its oil capacity and normal regular trade with Syria (still sanctioned by the U.S.) were also re-established (the small U.S. force in Syria controls the main road connecting the two countries). The U.S. is a thoroughly alien presence here — it should never have invaded and occupied Iraq in the first place!

 

[LuckyDuck]

It's just really sketch, you know? Every time you turn around there's some jew or other larping as a white guy and talking about how important it is we (as in everyone else) fights for Western civilization or Christendom or whatever. Invariably the threat presented is Muslims, and specifically the Muslim nations Israel considers an immediate threat to its national security. If the Muslims other jews are actively working to import en masse into our countries come up it's only briefly touched on as a vague example of why we need to go blow up those dirty Arab Muslim terrorists over in Iran (and presumably the largest Middle East's largest jewish population outside of Israel with them).

So the obvious question is, why do specifically white nations need to fight another white nation because the jew nation has a problem with them? What would we even gain from it except more of our soldiers taking bullets for IDF soldiers who might otherwise have to fight their own war?

Why does Israel have a problem with the Muslims?
Well, let's start with their location. To the East is Syria...Muslim. To the Southeast is...Egypt...Muslim. To the North is...Lebanon...Christian/Muslim, but controlled by Hezbollah (Muslim).
Now, let's go with history. The Israelites/Hebrews founded their kingdom in the area where there were no permanent settlements. Despite Roman and Christian occupation, the Israelites/Hebrews maintained a permanent presence there. Enter the warring Islamists. Islam's Quran teachings: wage war on the infidels (non-believers) until only Islam exists. After the Crusades, the Muslims had control of the region, yet the Israelites/Hebrews still maintained their presence there. Fast forward to a few years after the Second World War. Muslims and Jews are continuing to have tit-for-tat conflicts in the area. The Jews request the UN Security Council approve the Jews having some of their territory back to form a nation. The Council approves this. Muslims living in this area, rebel (Islam teaches that if the people you conquered the land from, get it back, they are to be considered "occupiers." Thus, the Muslims (Palestinians), say they cannot live under the rule of non-Muslims and leave, migrating to Syria, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon (Lebanon, a Christian nation at the time, is a good example of why you don't invite large numbers of Muslims to live in your country). Two Arab-Israeli wars ensue, with the Israelis winning both.
Now, let's look at Muslim behavior in nations outside of Muslim nations. One major word crops up: Terrorism. Terrorism in Thailand, Terrorism in Spain, Terrorism in France, Terrorism in England, Terrorism in Italy, Terrorism in Russia, Terrorism in India, Terrorism in China, Terrorism in Bali, Terrorism in Kenya, Terrorism in Tanzania, Terrorism in the Netherlands, Terrorism in Australia, Terrorism in Nigeria, Terrorism in Germany, Terrorism in Sweden, Terrorism in Finland, Terrorism in the Philippines, Terrorism in Sri Lanka, Terrorism in Austria and of course, Terrorism in the United States. Then of course, there are Terrorist attacks in Muslim nations. The reason for this is that Sunnis and Shiites consider each other to not be "true Muslims."
Are you seeing a pattern yet???
The problem boils down to the Quran, its teachers and its followers. The Abrahamic religions are the worst of the religious lot, but of the three, Islam is the most abhorrent and violent. This isn't about Jews, it's about Islam being against ALL non-believers, with an ongoing goal of conquering the world through any and all means necessary.
Islam is divided into two Houses:
1. The House of Islam: Teachings and practices of Islam.
2. The House of War: Their militaries aside, those that are perceived as terrorists by non-believers, are just Islam's paramilitary arm, hitting at soft targets.
Last, it's not "whites" and "Jews." It's religion.

 

[irosie91]

It's just really sketch, you know? Every time you turn around there's some jew or other larping as a white guy and talking about how important it is we (as in everyone else) fights for Western civilization or Christendom or whatever. Invariably the threat presented is Muslims, and specifically the Muslim nations Israel considers an immediate threat to its national security. If the Muslims other jews are actively working to import en masse into our countries come up it's only briefly touched on as a vague example of why we need to go blow up those dirty Arab Muslim terrorists over in Iran (and presumably the largest Middle East's largest jewish population outside of Israel with them).

So the obvious question is, why do specifically white nations need to fight another white nation because the jew nation has a problem with them? What would we even gain from it except more of our soldiers taking bullets for IDF soldiers who might otherwise have to fight their own war?

Who told you all those lies?

it's not "lies" ---it is crumbs from the tables of the
weekly Khutbah Jumaat feces flings

 

[flacaltenn]

As for the 1/3 Iraq occupation claim by elite Iranian military units that I made -- ARE YOU REALLY DISPUTING THIS? Better check the facts. That's NOT a "proxy army".. It's the real deal..

I am definitely disputing this. Show me a link to prove I am wrong!

Even during the eight-year Iran-Iraq War — you know the one we encouraged Saddam Hussein to initiate after Khomeini came to power — Iran never occupied significant Iraqi territory, let alone 1/3. When the Persian Iranian army finally looked like it might win that terrible war, Saddam used chemical weapons to throw back the Iranians. The U.S., by the way, helped Iraq then and ignored Saddam’s war crimes.

The only thing I can imagine you are speaking about would be during the civil war with fascist Sunni ISIS, when mostly Arab Iraqi Shia militia — armed and trained by Iran — at the call of the Iraqi Shia religious authorities rose up to save Baghdad from ISIS. In this period there may also have been a few small elite Arabic-speaking Iranian units mobilized to stop the genocidal anti-Shia ISIS advance.

The U.S. trained Iraqi army had thrown away its weapons and run. Baghdad would have fallen had these popular forces not saved the day. The U.S. soldier-trainers of the Iraq Army and the U.S. Air Force at that time did not oppose the Iran-armed and trained militia “Minutemen” who saved Iraq and U.S. forces did not attack them — for the very reason that they were essential to defeating ISIS! Of course once ISIS was defeated in Iraq an intense political struggle renewed, but this is and was between Iraqi Arab militia (now officially on the government’s payroll) and Iraqi regular army forces and politicians loyal to many different leaders and many different factions of Kurds, the Shia majority and also Sunnis. After the help rendered by Iran to the fight against ISIS of course neighboring Iran’s influence and prestige increased for awhile, but this was perfectly natural and inevitable.

The best U.S. policy would be to get its remaining troops out of Iraq and Syria and let Iraq trade freely with its next-door neighbor Iran. Also China has indicated it is willing to invest in Iraq, but the U.S. is dead set against this. Iraq could rebuild much quicker if China were allowed to rebuild its oil capacity and normal regular trade with Syria (still sanctioned by the U.S.) were also re-established (the small U.S. force in Syria controls the main road connecting the two countries). The U.S. is a thoroughly alien presence here — it should never have invaded and occupied Iraq in the first place!

Too wordy. Not focused on the past 10 years of Iran's infiltration of the Iraqi political struggle..

It's simpler that that.. Iran HAS DESIGNS to implement a friendly Shiite govt and have Iraq as a complete token ally.. A complete reversal of the Saddam days.,.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

That policy expanded dramatically after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, which brought about 150,000 American troops to Iran’s border, as well as a long-sought opportunity to dominate Iraq -- once part of the Persian Empire based in what is modern-day Iran -- through the country’s newly empowered Shiite majority. Under Soleimani’s direction, the Revolutionary Guards began organizing and arming Shiite militias with roadside bombs and other equipment to attack U.S. forces in Iraq, with the goal of driving them out.

READ THE 1st MAP.. Legend for STATE PENETRATION by Iran.. IRAQ IS MEDIUM HIGH.. They have melded with the Shiite majority to have functional control of more than 1/3 of the country..


Iran’s backing of Shiite militias in Iraq has moved into the open since 2014, when the Iraqi government formally endorsed them as a means to fight Islamic State, under the umbrella designation of Popular Mobilization Forces. Their firepower and prominence have given Iran leverage to shape Iraqi governments.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/uploads/Documents/pubs/PolicyFocus111.pdf

Political Allies
Iran has tried to influence Iraqi politics by working with Shiite and Kurdish parties to create a weak federal state dominated by Shiites and amenable to Iranian influence. It has encouraged its closest allies—the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq (ISCI),the Badr Organization (ISCI’s former militia), the Islamic Dawa Party, and more recently the Sadrists—to participate in politics and help shape Iraq’s nascent institutions.

Tehran’s goal is to unite Iraq’s Shiite parties so that they can translate their demographic weight (some 60 percent of the country’s population) into political influence, thereby consolidating Shiite control over the government. To this end, Iran attempted to influence the outcome of the 2005 and 2010 parliamentary elections as well as the 2009 provincial elections by funding and advising its preferred candidates, and by encouraging its Shiite allies to run in a unified list, to prevent the Shiite vote from being split. Additionally, to ensure that its interests are secured no matter who comes out on top, Tehran has hedged its bets by backing a number of Shiite parties and movements. It has also sought to preserve its traditionally good relations with the major Kurdish parties to secure its influence in parts of northern Iraq.

Tehran exercises its influence through its embassy in Baghdad and consulates in Basra, Karbala, Irbil,
and Sulaymaniyah. Both of its post-2003 ambassadors served in the Qods Force of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (responsible for covert operations abroad), underscoring the role Iran’s security services play in formulating and implementing policy in Iraq.

Soft Power
Iran has woven soft-power activities into its whole -of-government approach to projecting influence in
Iraq. To this end, it has enacted protectionist measures and trade policies to Iraq’s disadvantage, tried to co-opt the transnational Shiite clerical network based in Najaf, and attempted to influence Iraqi public opinion through information activities. While U.S. and Iraqi military officials have fretted that the Iraqi military will be unprepared to secure the country’s airspace and territorial waters when U.S. forces leave by the end of 2011, Iranian soft power probably constitutes the greater long-term threat to Iraqi sovereignty and independence.
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So Mr. Paine -- you think the rest of the Muslim Arab nation states are THRILLED with all this empire building next door??? That was the ORIGINAL point I made and that you tried to negate.

Indeed all the RECENT Kumbaya goin on the region is to OPPOSE this Iranian influence expansion... INCLUDING normalizing relations with the State of Israel.. I think I've made the point..,

 

[flacaltenn]

Why does Israel have a problem with the Muslims?

False Start - 5 yards -- loss of down..

There's NO problem with Muslims in Israel. There's a problem of acquiring the West Bank from Jordan and a population that doesn't WANT to be Israelis. There's a problem with MILITANT factions that wont recognize their existence also.. But their influence is on the wane..

How many Muslim Arabs are in the Israeli Govt? Do ya know? What % of Israel's CITIZENS (not Palestinaians) is Muslim Arab? Do ya know?

 

[irosie91]

As for the 1/3 Iraq occupation claim by elite Iranian military units that I made -- ARE YOU REALLY DISPUTING THIS? Better check the facts. That's NOT a "proxy army".. It's the real deal..

I am definitely disputing this. Show me a link to prove I am wrong!

Even during the eight-year Iran-Iraq War — you know the one we encouraged Saddam Hussein to initiate after Khomeini came to power — Iran never occupied significant Iraqi territory, let alone 1/3. When the Persian Iranian army finally looked like it might win that terrible war, Saddam used chemical weapons to throw back the Iranians. The U.S., by the way, helped Iraq then and ignored Saddam’s war crimes.

The only thing I can imagine you are speaking about would be during the civil war with fascist Sunni ISIS, when mostly Arab Iraqi Shia militia — armed and trained by Iran — at the call of the Iraqi Shia religious authorities rose up to save Baghdad from ISIS. In this period there may also have been a few small elite Arabic-speaking Iranian units mobilized to stop the genocidal anti-Shia ISIS advance.

The U.S. trained Iraqi army had thrown away its weapons and run. Baghdad would have fallen had these popular forces not saved the day. The U.S. soldier-trainers of the Iraq Army and the U.S. Air Force at that time did not oppose the Iran-armed and trained militia “Minutemen” who saved Iraq and U.S. forces did not attack them — for the very reason that they were essential to defeating ISIS! Of course once ISIS was defeated in Iraq an intense political struggle renewed, but this is and was between Iraqi Arab militia (now officially on the government’s payroll) and Iraqi regular army forces and politicians loyal to many different leaders and many different factions of Kurds, the Shia majority and also Sunnis. After the help rendered by Iran to the fight against ISIS of course neighboring Iran’s influence and prestige increased for awhile, but this was perfectly natural and inevitable.

The best U.S. policy would be to get its remaining troops out of Iraq and Syria and let Iraq trade freely with its next-door neighbor Iran. Also China has indicated it is willing to invest in Iraq, but the U.S. is dead set against this. Iraq could rebuild much quicker if China were allowed to rebuild its oil capacity and normal regular trade with Syria (still sanctioned by the U.S.) were also re-established (the small U.S. force in Syria controls the main road connecting the two countries). The U.S. is a thoroughly alien presence here — it should never have invaded and occupied Iraq in the first place!

lots of

As for the 1/3 Iraq occupation claim by elite Iranian military units that I made -- ARE YOU REALLY DISPUTING THIS? Better check the facts. That's NOT a "proxy army".. It's the real deal..

I am definitely disputing this. Show me a link to prove I am wrong!

Even during the eight-year Iran-Iraq War — you know the one we encouraged Saddam Hussein to initiate after Khomeini came to power — Iran never occupied significant Iraqi territory, let alone 1/3. When the Persian Iranian army finally looked like it might win that terrible war, Saddam used chemical weapons to throw back the Iranians. The U.S., by the way, helped Iraq then and ignored Saddam’s war crimes.

The only thing I can imagine you are speaking about would be during the civil war with fascist Sunni ISIS, when mostly Arab Iraqi Shia militia — armed and trained by Iran — at the call of the Iraqi Shia religious authorities rose up to save Baghdad from ISIS. In this period there may also have been a few small elite Arabic-speaking Iranian units mobilized to stop the genocidal anti-Shia ISIS advance.

The U.S. trained Iraqi army had thrown away its weapons and run. Baghdad would have fallen had these popular forces not saved the day. The U.S. soldier-trainers of the Iraq Army and the U.S. Air Force at that time did not oppose the Iran-armed and trained militia “Minutemen” who saved Iraq and U.S. forces did not attack them — for the very reason that they were essential to defeating ISIS! Of course once ISIS was defeated in Iraq an intense political struggle renewed, but this is and was between Iraqi Arab militia (now officially on the government’s payroll) and Iraqi regular army forces and politicians loyal to many different leaders and many different factions of Kurds, the Shia majority and also Sunnis. After the help rendered by Iran to the fight against ISIS of course neighboring Iran’s influence and prestige increased for awhile, but this was perfectly natural and inevitable.

The best U.S. policy would be to get its remaining troops out of Iraq and Syria and let Iraq trade freely with its next-door neighbor Iran. Also China has indicated it is willing to invest in Iraq, but the U.S. is dead set against this. Iraq could rebuild much quicker if China were allowed to rebuild its oil capacity and normal regular trade with Syria (still sanctioned by the U.S.) were also re-established (the small U.S. force in Syria controls the main road connecting the two countries). The U.S. is a thoroughly alien presence here — it should never have invaded and occupied Iraq in the first place!

Too wordy. Not focused on the past 10 years of Iran's infiltration of the Iraqi political struggle..

It's simpler that that.. Iran HAS DESIGNS to implement a friendly Shiite govt and have Iraq as a complete token ally.. A complete reversal of the Saddam days.,.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

That policy expanded dramatically after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, which brought about 150,000 American troops to Iran’s border, as well as a long-sought opportunity to dominate Iraq -- once part of the Persian Empire based in what is modern-day Iran -- through the country’s newly empowered Shiite majority. Under Soleimani’s direction, the Revolutionary Guards began organizing and arming Shiite militias with roadside bombs and other equipment to attack U.S. forces in Iraq, with the goal of driving them out.

READ THE 1st MAP.. Legend for STATE PENETRATION by Iran.. IRAQ IS MEDIUM HIGH.. They have melded with the Shiite majority to have functional control of more than 1/3 of the country..


Iran’s backing of Shiite militias in Iraq has moved into the open since 2014, when the Iraqi government formally endorsed them as a means to fight Islamic State, under the umbrella designation of Popular Mobilization Forces. Their firepower and prominence have given Iran leverage to shape Iraqi governments.

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/uploads/Documents/pubs/PolicyFocus111.pdf

Political Allies
Iran has tried to influence Iraqi politics by working with Shiite and Kurdish parties to create a weak federal state dominated by Shiites and amenable to Iranian influence. It has encouraged its closest allies—the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq (ISCI),the Badr Organization (ISCI’s former militia), the Islamic Dawa Party, and more recently the Sadrists—to participate in politics and help shape Iraq’s nascent institutions.

Tehran’s goal is to unite Iraq’s Shiite parties so that they can translate their demographic weight (some 60 percent of the country’s population) into political influence, thereby consolidating Shiite control over the government. To this end, Iran attempted to influence the outcome of the 2005 and 2010 parliamentary elections as well as the 2009 provincial elections by funding and advising its preferred candidates, and by encouraging its Shiite allies to run in a unified list, to prevent the Shiite vote from being split. Additionally, to ensure that its interests are secured no matter who comes out on top, Tehran has hedged its bets by backing a number of Shiite parties and movements. It has also sought to preserve its traditionally good relations with the major Kurdish parties to secure its influence in parts of northern Iraq.

Tehran exercises its influence through its embassy in Baghdad and consulates in Basra, Karbala, Irbil,
and Sulaymaniyah. Both of its post-2003 ambassadors served in the Qods Force of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (responsible for covert operations abroad), underscoring the role Iran’s security services play in formulating and implementing policy in Iraq.

Soft Power
Iran has woven soft-power activities into its whole -of-government approach to projecting influence in
Iraq. To this end, it has enacted protectionist measures and trade policies to Iraq’s disadvantage, tried to co-opt the transnational Shiite clerical network based in Najaf, and attempted to influence Iraqi public opinion through information activities. While U.S. and Iraqi military officials have fretted that the Iraqi military will be unprepared to secure the country’s airspace and territorial waters when U.S. forces leave by the end of 2011, Iranian soft power probably constitutes the greater long-term threat to Iraqi sovereignty and independence.
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So Mr. Paine -- you think the rest of the Muslim Arab nation states are THRILLED with all this empire building next door??? That was the ORIGINAL point I made and that you tried to negate.

Indeed all the RECENT Kumbaya goin on the region is to OPPOSE this Iranian influence expansion... INCLUDING normalizing relations with the State of Israel.. I think I've made the point..,

WAY TO GO---flac. Without a grasp of the sunni/shiite thing there is no way of understanding the "islamic world" Fact is most of our fellow cyber-
buddies ---DO NOT KNOW

 

[Marŝi tra la Cindro]

Anyone reading this later, I just want you to notice something. When a real white questions why white Westerners should fight white Muslims for the benefit of jews, jews larping as whites will flood in to demonize Islam and demand their "fellow white people" go crusade against Muslims, conveniently dying in a war Israel doesn't want to fight for itself. They are trying to gaslight and manipulate you. It's a scam, just like every single fucking thing they get up to.

 

[Marŝi tra la Cindro]

If a jew speaks to you it's a self-serving lie. If a jew gives you advice it's a self-enriching con. Always do the opposite of what jews say.

"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."