The US is falling behind China in technology

[Donald H]

The wars have forced the US to enhance technology and we did. However what you say is only part of the picture.
Corporations, the government, and the citizens favor short term gains over long term prosperity.

One possible point to consider is in America pulling back all the US corporations that have skipped town and went to China. That would be very painful for Walmart and co. but Cold war relations with China would make it necessary nonetheless. Also, China has the power and the clout to go tit for tat.

 

[Wuwei]

It's hard to imagine what America's best choice on dealing with China should be.

Anti-China attempts to destroy China's economy aren't having the desired effect due to China taking precautions to diversify their markets and build for their own domestic consumption.

And friendly competition with China doesn't appear to be possible for so many obvious reasons.

And a third option of a hot war with China is full of pitfalls.

I can't think of another option but this thread provides a good opportunity for a rational discussion.

Can America just accept 2nd. place and do it's best with that? Would losing world superiority and the advantage of plunder of small country resources be too damaging to the US economy?
Please take that as a serious question and not an attempt to arouse emotions. China intends to plunder but not in the same accustomed way. Ask me.

Let this thread be a chance for serious discussion this time!

Thank you. That should be the goal of this discussion.

 

[Donald H]

The wars have forced the US to enhance technology and we did. However what you say is only part of the picture.
Corporations, the government, and the citizens favor short term gains over long term prosperity.

Thanks for your thanks.
My interest is in the US finding some satisfactory solution to the problem. Quite obviously the rest of the world has that main priority too!
But never in history has the same situation faced a powerful empire in which a hot war is prohibitive, due to nuclear weapons.

 

[Wuwei]

One possible point to consider is in America pulling back all the US corporations that have skipped town and went to China. That would be very painful for Walmart and co. but Cold war relations with China would make it necessary nonetheless. Also, China has the power and the clout to go tit for tat.

China, being Communist has an advantage in controlling labor costs that simply don't work here. Automation should level the playing field a bit.

 

[MarathonMike]

Wuwei I believe China is the 21st century version of the Third Reich. Ji Xinping may look like Winnie The Pooh but he is a vicious dictator who rules China with an iron fist and is intent on world domination through technology. His intrusion into the personal lives of Chinese people may be the undoing of the CCP, I think that may be the only hope. The US and the nations of the world don't have the guts to stand as a coalition against Jinping. Covid-19 has proven that.

 

[Wuwei]

Wuwei I believe China is the 21st century version of the Third Reich. Ji Xinping may look like Winnie The Pooh but he is a vicious dictator who rules China with an iron fist and is intent on world domination through technology. His intrusion into the personal lives of Chinese people may be the undoing of the CCP, I think that may be the only hope. The US and the nations of the world don't have the guts to stand as a coalition against Jinping. Covid-19 has proven that.

Another problem is that we get a lot of our chips and electronics from Taiwan. We must insure their independence. But that will be a scary stare-down between the US and China.

 

[Donald H]

China, being Communist has an advantage in controlling labor costs that simply don't work here. Automation should level the playing field a bit.

Communism has some certain advantages that could become another topic for discussion here.
We can acknowledge that without having to favour communism.
I just need to state again that I'm a Canadian and I favour our capitalist/democratic system. But our capitalism always has to come with social/socialist content.

 

[Wuwei]

Communism has some certain advantages that could become another topic for discussion here.
We can acknowledge that without having to favour communism.
I just need to state again that I'm a Canadian and I favour our capitalist/democratic system. But our capitalism always has to come with social/socialist content.

Socialism is a bad word in the US for half the government and citizens. Government interference is a bad word. It's hard to see a path that both sides of the government would embrace. The US seems to be deadlocked in political philosophy right now.

 

[Donald H]

.................. and is intent on world domination through technology.

Yes, he is and China is. But I've edited your comment for accuracy and to maintain relevance to the discussion.

His intrusion into the personal lives of Chinese people may be the undoing of the CCP, I think that may be the only hope. The US and the nations of the world don't have the guts to stand as a coalition against Jinping. Covid-19 has proven that.

The situation in China currently is that the people love Xi and love the system that has raised them up. 30 years ago China's streets were full of bicycles and now they're full of highly efficient and modern cars, including many electric.

The world has guts but has no reason to stand against China and what it's trade relations offer.
Does America have something to offer the world's smaller countries?

 

[Unkotare]

Yeah, they will soon have the 'best' shiny, new-looking technology on the outside with 1987 Atari gaming system tech on the inside.

 

[Donald H]

Socialism is a bad word in the US for half the government and citizens. Government interference is a bad word. It's hard to see a path that both sides of the government would embrace. The US seems to be deadlocked in political philosophy right now.

It's a bad word in American heads but the realization is coming that 'social' change is something different from what they've been taught.
It could be that full acceptance of the truth is coming just a little too late. If America is to stay abreast of China then the change has to start happening very, very soon!

Regardless of America's politics, it's hard to imagine that America will miss the opportunity.

 

[Wuwei]

Yeah, they will soon have the 'best' shiny, new-looking technology on the outside with 1987 Atari gaming system tech on the inside.

Perception is far more important than reality.

 

[Donald H]

Yeah, they will soon have the 'best' shiny, new-looking technology on the outside with 1987 Atari gaming system tech on the inside.

China's electric cars are of the highest quality and of the most competitive prices. America's car market is almost certainly in a lot of trouble.
America will have to gamble on gas engines.

And China's cars aren't the only shiny new technology.

 

[Wuwei]

It's a bad word in American heads but the realization is coming that 'social' change is something different from what they've been taught.
It could be that full acceptance of the truth is coming just a little too late. If America is to stay abreast of China then the change has to start happening very, very soon!

Regardless of America's politics, it's hard to imagine that America will miss the opportunity.

A large part of the US is seeming to value individual freedom over the countries larger problems. We will have to use a different word than socialism.

 

[Donald H]

A large part of the US is seeming to value individual freedom over the countries larger problems. We will have to use a different word than socialism.

The political right won't let go of the socialism/communism labels. They're irreplacable and so IMO the words must come to be accepted for what they really are.

All the power of the very rich and powerful that they hold over the people of the country, will evaporate away when the ability to demoinize the word 'socialism' slips away.
So here it is in the simplest of terms:

America's capitalism needs to be repaired and socialized.

 

[MarathonMike]

Donald H My post was perfectly relevant as written, no need for your "editing" thanks. This was Wuwei's last sentence:

"China is vying to be the next top superpower and is on track of winning in a decade or so. What can we do?"

China is a brutal oppressive Communist regime hiding under a thin veil of Capitalism. We'll see how Jinping's iron fist approach works out. His atrocities against Muslim Uighurs and anyone criticizing the CCP is is well known but ignored.

 

[westwall]

Did they really develop all that or just steal it from others?

They stole it with dem politician help.

Clinton gave them (for some unnamed gift no doubt) the entire contents of the US Patent Office.

 

[Wuwei]

They stole it with dem politician help.

Clinton gave them (for some unnamed gift no doubt) the entire contents of the US Patent Office.

That is not the current problem the US is facing.

 

[Wuwei]

The political right won't let go of the socialism/communism labels. They're irreplacable and so IMO the words must come to be accepted for what they really are.

All the power of the very rich and powerful that they hold over the people of the country, will evaporate away when the ability to demoinize the word 'socialism' slips away.
So here it is in the simplest of terms:

America's capitalism needs to be repaired and socialized.

You got one "disagree" on that post. Yet the same people that sanctify capitalism also want manufacturing brought back to America.

A problem is the tremendous lobbying power companies have over congress. And the willingness of congress to be swayed by their campaign donations.

 

[Donald H]

Donald H My post was perfectly relevant as written, no need for your "editing" thanks. This was Wuwei's last sentence:

"China is vying to be the next top superpower and is on track of winning in a decade or so. What can we do?"

China is a brutal oppressive Communist regime hiding under a thin veil of Capitalism. We'll see how Jinping's iron fist approach works out. His atrocities against Muslim Uighurs and anyone criticizing the CCP is is well known but ignored.

Your point is irrelevant even if there was any truth in it. What Americans think of China is irrelevant and that's because America has no record to stand behind in comparisons to China, but many wars of aggression.

China's treatment of Islamic Uighyur terrorists can't hold a candle to the slaughter of the Iraqe people that was legitimized with lies.

You can have a conversation with me Mike but you're not going to turn it into spam.