The US heat dome is a warning for the 2024 elections

[Crick]

Do you understand the margin of error of Shankuns “proxies” are worthless against side by side Temperature/CO2 measurements?

So, you don't understand what "well-mixed gas" means.

Moreover, we all know Shankuns work was a panicked reaction to the Ice Cores showing CO2 LAGGING temperatures on both increase AND decline for 450,000 consecutive years!

What we all know is that your comments indicate neither intelligence nor honesty.

He shows that the data reveal that at temperatures began to rise at the end of each glacial period, CO2 initially lagged temperature but then caught up and led temperature for the latter portion of the rise. Milankovitch pushed temperatures up which released CO2 from solution, then the greenhouse warming from that added CO2 took over the rest of the rise. Milankovitch forcing, on its own, is insufficient to have produced the temperature changes present in the glacial-interglacial cycle.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

In situ? What do you mean by that? Do you have temperature "readings" for the entire Holocene?

Don't you?

 

[ding]

Milankovitch forcing, on its own, is insufficient to have produced the temperature changes present in the glacial-interglacial cycle.

It’s the ocean, dummy.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So, you don't understand what "well-mixed gas" means.

What we all know is that your comments indicate neither intelligence nor honesty.

He shows that the data reveal that at temperatures began to rise at the end of each glacial period, CO2 initially lagged temperature but then caught up and led temperature for the latter portion of the rise. Milankovitch pushed temperatures up which released CO2 from solution, then the greenhouse warming from that added CO2 took over the rest of the rise. Milankovitch forcing, on its own, is insufficient to have produced the temperature changes present in the glacial-interglacial cycle.

Crick, please show on the ice core graphs where CO2 Catches up and surpasses temperature. That does not happen even once throughout the entire 450,000 year long dataset.

It’s an IMPOSSIBLE task to credibility claim proxies render a better explanation than CO2 lags, not drives temperatures

Well mixed gases are a combination of both high per capita USA CO2 Earth killing isotopes and very low capita Chinese CO2 Earth friendly isotopes. Shankuns Three card Monty proxies clearly make this clear, clearly.

 

[Crick]

Crick, please show on the ice core graphs where CO2 Catches up and surpasses temperature. That does not happen even once throughout the entire 450,000 year long dataset.

It’s an IMPOSSIBLE task to credibility claim proxies render a better explanation than CO2 lags, not drives temperatures

Well mixed gases are a combination of both high per capita USA CO2 Earth killing isotopes and very low capita Chinese CO2 Earth friendly isotopes. Shankuns Three card Monty proxies clearly make this clear, clearly.

I gave you the link to Shakun's study showing PRECISELY that. For once in your willfully ignorant life, read a linked article.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I gave you the link to Shakun's study showing PRECISELY that. For once in your willfully ignorant life, read a linked article.

Shakuns work is far less reliable than the side by side temperature/CO2 from the ice cores. It’s like the difference between a doctor taking your temperature directly with a thermometer opposed to using a proxy of cow farts in Iowa.

Shakuns panicked effort was an attempt to rehabilitate the fake “CO2 drives temperature” central pillar of the wealth redistribution climate scheme narrative

 

[Crick]

Shakuns work is far less reliable than the side by side temperature/CO2 from the ice cores.

Reliable at WHAT? Temperatures from ice cores, like ALL proxies, ARE LOCAL TEMPERATURES. If you want to estimate ancient global temperatures, you need ancient global proxies.

It’s like the difference between a doctor taking your temperature directly with a thermometer opposed to using a proxy of cow farts in Iowa.

You don't seem to have ever figured out what I was trying to tell you with well-mixed gases. Any good sample of a well-mixed gas reasonably represents its value all over the planet. The temperature of an ice core is local and we are absolutely guaranteed there will be large temperature differences from that value over the planet's surface. The CO2 measured in an ice core or in any other proxy is a decent measure of CO2 levels across the planet.

Shakuns panicked effort was an attempt to rehabilitate the fake “CO2 drives temperature” central pillar of the wealth redistribution climate scheme narrative

Don't make the mistake of thinking anyone else shares your fantasies, particularly when you don't have a single shred of evidence to support them.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Reliable at WHAT? Temperatures from ice cores, like ALL proxies, ARE LOCAL TEMPERATURES. If you want to estimate ancient global temperatures, you need ancient global proxies.

You don't seem to have ever figured out what I was trying to tell you with well-mixed gases. Any good sample of a well-mixed gas reasonably represents its value all over the planet. The temperature of an ice core is local and we are absolutely guaranteed there will be large temperature differences from that value over the planet's surface. The CO2 measured in an ice core or in any other proxy is a decent measure of CO2 levels across the planet.

Don't make the mistake of thinking anyone else shares your fantasies, particularly when you don't have a single shred of evidence to support them.

So the ice cores, measuring temperatures at Vostok are only local?

 

[Crick]

So the ice cores, measuring temperatures at Vostok are only local?

All proxies are local. What else could they fucking be? Now the changes they show likely have greater applicability, but even then they could be regional changes. That's why reconstructions use different proxies from all over the planet and why people thinking some particular proxy is best are just cherry picking data they like because it supports their pre-existing notions.

 

[ding]

All proxies are local. What else could they fucking be? Now the changes they show likely have greater applicability, but even then they could be regional changes. That's why reconstructions use different proxies from all over the planet and why people thinking some particular proxy is best are just cherry picking data they like because it supports their pre-existing notions.

Are glacial periods regional changes? Because they are driven by the northern hemisphere but have a global impact.

 

[The Duke]

The "Heat Dome" is over the US but not in China or India!

This doesn't contribute to it at all! 4 huge diesel engines and dumping garbage at sea.

MSN

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[Crick]

The "Heat Dome" is over the US but not in China or India!

This doesn't contribute to it at all! 4 huge diesel engines and dumping garbage at sea.

MSN

www.msn.com

36C = 96.8F
35C = 95.0F
34C = 93.2F
33C = 91.4F
32C = 89.6F
31C = 87.8F
30C = 86.0F

95F and showers? Sounds pleasant.