The US heat dome is a warning for the 2024 elections

[Crick]

That you missed the part in my claim where I placed the minor role orbital forcing plays is all the proof I need of your butt ******* truth.

It is the ONLY external forcing you mentioned and thus the ONLY thing possibly responsible for global changes.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Those aren't guesses.

Are you also suggesting that the Milankovitch cycles do nothing?

Yeah, they are. Because we don't know what is supposed to be.

Nope, I'm not suggesting the Milankovitch cycles do nothing. I suggesting that they're more than you showed.

The Milankovich cycles include the Earth's rotation around its axis, revolution around the Sun, Axial tilt, eccentricity of the Earth, longitude of periapsis and there might be other things that have an impact that we're not sure about.

 

[JimH52]

The world got hotter 120,000 years ago, and 240,000 years ago, was that because of human industrialization?

Scientist call you a liar. Thank you

 

[frigidweirdo]

Scientist call you a liar. Thank you

Which scientists?

The Vostok Ice Core | EARTH 104: Energy, Environment, and our Future

Here's Vostok data from SCIENTISTS.

As you can see 120,000 years ago temperatures reached +5 degrees. 240,000 years ago +4 to +5 degrees. 320,000 years ago +5 degrees. 400,000 years ago +4 degrees. Right now we're at about +2.5 according to this.

But if you were really interested in debate you wouldn't call people liars. You'd post your own ******* data.

 

[Crick]

Which scientists?

The Vostok Ice Core | EARTH 104: Energy, Environment, and our Future

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Here's Vostok data from SCIENTISTS.

As you can see 120,000 years ago temperatures reached +5 degrees. 240,000 years ago +4 to +5 degrees. 320,000 years ago +5 degrees. 400,000 years ago +4 degrees. Right now we're at about +2.5 according to this.

But if you were really interested in debate you wouldn't call people liars. You'd post your own ******* data.

And what do those scientists believe caused those peaks and valleys?

 

[ding]

It is the ONLY external forcing you mentioned and thus the ONLY thing possibly responsible for global changes.

So ocean currents can’t affect earth’s climates because they aren’t external. The geologic record is littered with examples of warming and cooling trends. Were their causes external?

 

[Crick]

So ocean currents can’t affect earth’s climates because they aren’t external.

Ocean currents can't affect Earth's average temperature at the rate at which it is currently changing. Changing ocean circulation could melt ice at the poles and change albedo. But we have had significant warming long before our albedo was affected.

The geologic record is littered with examples of warming and cooling trends. Were their causes external?

Yes.

Milankovitch is external. CO2 is a positive feedback mechanism which you've already chosen to reject. But CO2 doesn't drive the glacial-interglacial cycle. Milankovitch did.

CO2 will warm the planet (or cool it if removed) but it without humans or MASSIVE volcanism, it doesn't release itself into the atmosphere.

And remember the conversation is about what YOU listed as the causes of glacial-interglacial cycles, not every event in the planet's history.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And what do those scientists believe caused those peaks and valleys?

The tilt of the earth, eccentricity around the Sun, precession, solar radiation, shape of the Earth's rotation around the Sun, and maybe other stuff we haven't figured out yet.

 

[ding]

Ocean currents can't affect Earth's average temperature at the rate at which it is currently changing. Changing ocean circulation could melt ice at the poles and change albedo. But we have had significant warming long before our albedo was affected.


Yes.

Milankovitch is external. CO2 is a positive feedback mechanism which you've already chosen to reject. But CO2 doesn't drive the glacial-interglacial cycle. Milankovitch did.

CO2 will warm the planet (or cool it if removed) but it without humans or MASSIVE volcanism, it doesn't release itself into the atmosphere.

And remember the conversation is about what YOU listed as the causes of glacial-interglacial cycles, not every event in the planet's history.

Of course ocean currents can and have affected the planet's climate.



Your own link says they can't explain the mechanism for orbital forcing triggering glacial cycles. There is no mechanism because orbital forcing is a red herring.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

All we know for certain is that the Heat Dome start with the release of Project 2025

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Ocean currents can't affect Earth's average temperature at the rate at which it is currently changing. Changing ocean circulation could melt ice at the poles and change albedo. But we have had significant warming long before our albedo was affected.


Yes.

Milankovitch is external. CO2 is a positive feedback mechanism which you've already chosen to reject. But CO2 doesn't drive the glacial-interglacial cycle. Milankovitch did.

CO2 will warm the planet (or cool it if removed) but it without humans or MASSIVE volcanism, it doesn't release itself into the atmosphere.

And remember the conversation is about what YOU listed as the causes of glacial-interglacial cycles, not every event in the planet's history.

Why then does CO2 LAG temperature both on increase and decrease 100% of the time in all the ice cores for the past 450,000 year?

 

[Crick]

Why then does CO2 LAG temperature both on increase and decrease 100% of the time in all the ice cores for the past 450,000 year?

It does not.

https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/climate/files/shakunetal2012.pdf

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It does not.

https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/climate/files/shakunetal2012.pdf

The ice cores are lying??

 

[Crick]

The ice cores are lying??

Read the article at the link Frank.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Read the article at the link Frank.

It’s the old Shankun Proxies are more accurate than in situ side by side readings and it’s beyond credibility

 

[Crick]

It’s the old Shankun Proxies are more accurate than in situ side by side readings and it’s beyond credibility

In situ? What do you mean by that? Do you have temperature "readings" for the entire Holocene?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Read the article at the link Frank.

Read it when it was first trotted out

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In situ? What do you mean by that? Do you have temperature "readings" for the entire Holocene?

In situ = temperature and CO2 reading side by side

 

[Crick]

In situ = temperature and CO2 reading side by side

Do you understand what "well-mixed gas" means?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Do you understand what "well-mixed gas" means?

Do you understand the margin of error of Shankuns “proxies” are worthless against side by side Temperature/CO2 measurements?

Moreover, we all know Shankuns work was a panicked reaction to the Ice Cores showing CO2 LAGGING temperatures on both increase AND decline for 450,000 consecutive years!