The US has already started begging for social democratic principles

[Norman]

This form of socialism is simple to understand:

1) Alleviating poverty with social programs and a higher minimum wage. This does not have anything to do with eliminating the wealthy class whatsoever.

2) Making basic social services like Social Security, child care, and healthcare accessible for EVERYONE and creating a viable safety net. Medicare for all is the best way to do this for healthcare.

Notice how the above has nothing to do with communism or eliminating the free market.

The virus has already shown us how flawed and pathetic our private healthcare system is. It has also showed us that in time of an economic crisis, TEMPORARY measures must be taken like universal income and augmenting unemployment insurance.

People are dying for socialism these days!

Go beg for free shit in Venezuela. I would never pay for any services for a retard like yourself.

You're paying for yourself idiot.

If I only paid for my own shit, the idiot would not be begging so hard. He should learn to pay for his own shit.

 

[Billy000]

I already know you’re going to say “well, they can find a better job!”, but this is always such an ignorant response. Yes, there are people who can find better paying jobs, but it is mathematically impossible for even half of all poor people to find a job that pays for their cost of living. There are way more poor people than there are decent paying jobs. Doesn’t it bother you that wages are way behind on the current cost of living standard? It really should.

if you can’t bring the income UP, you bring the expenses DOWN. Simple financial math. Maybe you don’t need two new cars in the driveway; or a $280 a month cable bill; or the lawn care service contract. I see so many people with more than sufficient income complaining about what they don’t have, while trying to live a luxury lifestyle.

Don’t like what the boss is paying?... become more valuable at your job, unionize, or get mire skills to move to another job.

If you can’t because you’re a convicted criminal, dropped out of school, or were an unwed teen mother... TOO FUCKING BAD!!! You made your bed, now lay in it.

Okay again we are talking about simple mathematics. If someone is making $12 per hour full time, they are still going to poor no matter what they do budgeting wise. This would only be worse if they had a dependent. That dependent is suffering because of those poverty wages.

 

[progressive hunter]

I already know you’re going to say “well, they can find a better job!”, but this is always such an ignorant response. Yes, there are people who can find better paying jobs, but it is mathematically impossible for even half of all poor people to find a job that pays for their cost of living. There are way more poor people than there are decent paying jobs. Doesn’t it bother you that wages are way behind on the current cost of living standard? It really should.

if you can’t bring the income UP, you bring the expenses DOWN. Simple financial math. Maybe you don’t need two new cars in the driveway; or a $280 a month cable bill; or the lawn care service contract. I see so many people with more than sufficient income complaining about what they don’t have, while trying to live a luxury lifestyle.

Don’t like what the boss is paying?... become more valuable at your job, unionize, or get mire skills to move to another job.

If you can’t because you’re a convicted criminal, dropped out of school, or were an unwed teen mother... TOO FUCKING BAD!!! You made your bed, now lay in it.

Okay again we are talking about simple mathematics. If someone is making $12 per hour full time, they are still going to poor no matter what they do budgeting wise. This would only be worse if they had a dependent. That dependent is suffering because of those poverty wages.

not true,,,I've lived on less that 12 an hr for over 15 yrs and I am far from poor,,,,

 

[Anathema]

Okay again we are talking about simple mathematics. If someone is making $12 per hour full time, they are still going to poor no matter what they do budgeting wise. This would only be worse if they had a dependent. That dependent is suffering because of those poverty wages.

If you’re making $12 an hour, you shouldn’t be trying to support a family, with or without children. Then again if you’re making $12 an hour, you may not be maximizing your capabilities. That or you’re living in an area of the country with a lower cost of living.

Minimum wage and similar jobs should not be seen as CAREERS. They should be seen as entry leveljobs or for students.

 

[Billy000]

Okay again we are talking about simple mathematics. If someone is making $12 per hour full time, they are still going to poor no matter what they do budgeting wise. This would only be worse if they had a dependent. That dependent is suffering because of those poverty wages.

If you’re making $12 an hour, you shouldn’t be trying to support a family, with or without children. Then again if you’re making $12 an hour, you may not be maximizing your capabilities. That or you’re living in an area of the country with a lower cost of living.

Minimum wage and similar jobs should not be seen as CAREERS. They should be seen as entry leveljobs or for students.

Uh yeah they shouldn’t be careers but because of how few and far between higher paying jobs are, they have no choice but to be career jobs. You do get that right? It doesn’t matter where you live nationwide. $12 per hour full time or not is a poverty wage. And yeah, it’s better not to have kids, but you know, shit happens. Maybe they had kids when they had a higher paying job but were laid off and had to settle for a shitty wage job in its place. Either way, none of this is the kid’s fault. The kid still needs a parent who can support them regardless of the choices made by the parent. You do get that right?

Poverty is a complex issue. You simplifying this all down to laziness is pure ignorance and stupidity. Hard working people find themselves in poverty because shit outside of their control goes wrong sometimes. The result is being kept in poverty because of how shitty the employment market is around them.

 

[Anathema]

Poverty is a complex issue. You simplifying this all down to laziness is pure ignorance and stupidity. Hard working people find themselves in poverty because shit outside of their control goes wrong sometimes. The result is being kept in poverty because of how shitty the employment market is around them.

It’s nowhere near as complex as you make it out to be. Most of it is a matter of personal responsibility and self-discipline.

For me personally, the moment I can no longer support myself, I’ve got a .45 caliber answer to the problem that doesn’t require anyone else taking care of me.

 

[Billy000]

Poverty is a complex issue. You simplifying this all down to laziness is pure ignorance and stupidity. Hard working people find themselves in poverty because shit outside of their control goes wrong sometimes. The result is being kept in poverty because of how shitty the employment market is around them.

It’s nowhere near as complex as you make it out to be. Most of it is a matter of personal responsibility and self-discipline.

For me personally, the moment I can no longer support myself, I’ve got a .45 caliber answer to the problem that doesn’t require anyone else taking care of me.

That’s just a load of bullshit. You’d turn to government help before killing yourself. You only think you’d be a badass when it came down to it.

 

[Anathema]

That’s just a load of bullshit...

If that’s your stance, then we have no basis for any further conversation on this or any other subject.

Stay well and have a nice day.