The Two-State Solution?

[Kondor3]

The Palestinians can have a two-state solution anytime they like.

East of the Jordan River.

Or north of the UN-2000 Blue Line.

The sooner they pack up and leave for those better (for them) places, the better.

 

[Victory67]

The Palestinians can have a two-state solution anytime they like.

East of the Jordan River.

Or north of the UN-2000 Blue Line.

The sooner they pack up and leave for those better (for them) places, the better.

Just like how the KKK urges blacks to go back to Africa.

Your two-state solution is a racist dream.

 

[Hossfly]

The Palestinians can have a two-state solution anytime they like.

East of the Jordan River.

Or north of the UN-2000 Blue Line.

The sooner they pack up and leave for those better (for them) places, the better.

I could never understand why Gaza and the WB are inside of Israel proper. Evil twins inside Israel's belly that should be aborted or a miscarriage induced.

 

[Roudy]

The Palestinians can have a two-state solution anytime they like.

East of the Jordan River.

Or north of the UN-2000 Blue Line.

The sooner they pack up and leave for those better (for them) places, the better.

Just like how the KKK urges blacks to go back to Africa.

Your two-state solution is a racist dream.

No just like how Hamas wants a Jew free Gaza.

 

[Kondor3]

The Palestinians can have a two-state solution anytime they like.

East of the Jordan River.

Or north of the UN-2000 Blue Line.

The sooner they pack up and leave for those better (for them) places, the better.

Just like how the KKK urges blacks to go back to Africa.

Your two-state solution is a racist dream.

Race has nothing to do with it.

It's all about Religion, and Hostility, and long-term Safety and Security.

One keeps mad dogs in a kennel rather than letting them in the house.

And, when they finally get to be too much of a pain in the ass, one either casts them away or puts them down.

Nobody wants the latter, so they're going to settle for the former.

In much the same way that Islamic nations of the region expelled over 1,000,000 Jews from Muslim lands, in the 1948-1975 timeframe.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Payback's a *****, and your Muslim buddies are due for a dose.

 

[Phoenall]

The Palestinians can have a two-state solution anytime they like.

East of the Jordan River.

Or north of the UN-2000 Blue Line.

The sooner they pack up and leave for those better (for them) places, the better.

Just like how the KKK urges blacks to go back to Africa.

Your two-state solution is a racist dream.

My solution is for a 3 state system, Israel, west bank and gaza . Then the pathway can be built underground that links gaza with the west bank. This means the Israelis don't have to lose any of their land for the link to be put in place. High levels of RF pulses to be put into place so any explosives will be set of at the entrances. Should lead to an interesting couple of years until the semi literate Palestinians realise that they are killing themselves.

 

[P F Tinmore]

No, Gaza is controlled by Hamas, won by free and fair election.
Another lying jew-hater. Why is this board filled with these people?

Hamas doesn't control the air or water, you dumb ass.

Then who does as the fishermen are allowed to fish outside of their territorial waters, and planes can fly over gaza as much as they want. All that is stopped is ILLEGAL WEAPONS SMUGGLING. Making you the dumb ass child.

What are you talking about? It is legal for Palestine to import and manufacture weapons. And, the Palestinians have the right to bear arms.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ali Abunimah, "The Battle for Justice in Palestine" Q&A - YouTube

If you want us to watch a video, it should be from 2-5 minutes. No one is going to watch an hour-long video. Just saying.

By the way, how are things in your soundbite world?

Why don't you just watch it from 14:00 to 15:20?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Our friend P F Tinmore is absolutely correct, that the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement is a legitimate form of protest and resistance. It falls right inside the "peaceful means" principle.

Ali Abunimah, "The Battle for Justice in Palestine"

(COMMENT)

As long as the BDS Movement does not organize, instigate, facilitate, participating in, finance, encourage or tolerating hostile activities (under Article 68 of the GCIV) intended to be committed against Israel or other States or their citizens; or violate international laws (under Part 2 of the Rome Statutes ICC) --- THEN it is entirely legal. The principle basically states that nations shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security and justice are not endangered (A/RES/25/2625 XXV). The BDS Movement falls under that broad brush stroke.

Now, whether it is or is not the biggest threat that Israel faces, is another story entirely. Israel knows very well that their is a prima facie case involving the violations of Article 49 of the GCIV and Article 8 - 2b (viii) Rome Statutes, wherein there is reasonable cause to believe that Israel (the Occupying Power) did transfer, directly or indirectly, parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies; in defiance of international law. While there is an argument to be made through litigation, and a question of legality under the permanent status of negotiations in the Oslo Accords, the reasonable man concept suggests their is a long standing violation in progress. This is the open risk that Israel has taken when it embarked on this (what many would call a) misadventure.

Israel understands that, internationally, the basic sympathy and legal principles of this decision to expand the Settlements beyond those at the time of the Oslo Accords, is with the Palestinians. And that further expansion only exacerbates the already contentious situation.

The BDS Movement is a legitimate form of peaceful resistance in this case. IF the BDS Movement is exacting economic hardship and pain on Israeli West Bank Settlements, THEN, (unfortunately) that is a consequence of the political decision.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[aris2chat]

Just because Israel has made its desire known to keep all of Jerusalem does not make it a fact. The purpose of the "negotiations" is to determine the future of Jerusalem as well as all of the other "occupied territories."

If I have a border dispute with a neighbor and we agree to settle it on the basis of negotiations, I cannot be planting trees and building outbuildings on the disputed land. The same is true for the status of the "refugees." Their status and "return rights" must be part of the negotiations. What is the difference between the Arabs being intransigent on recognition of Israel as a "Jewish" state and the intransigence of Israel on the return rights of the refugees?

Either Israel is willing to negotiate or they are not. Their current (and for the past 50 years) actions indicate they pretend to be willing to negotiate, but in fact have already taken irreversible positions on the major points to be negotiated.

We now have an American SOS and President jumping through hoops to try to restart "negotiations," and Israel's positions are basically non-negotiable. There can be no viable Palestine made up of the shit territory that Israel doesn't want.

Israel has successfully negotiated with Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Good points, Rocco, thanks.

BDS has three points:

1) End the occupation of all Arab land conquered in 1967. This includes the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.

2) Equal rights for Palestinian citizens of Israel.

3) The right of return.

This transcends the so called peace process and renders it irrelevant. BDS will continue until these rights are realized.

Note that BDS does not call for a Palestinian state.

 

[aris2chat]

Just because Israel has made its desire known to keep all of Jerusalem does not make it a fact. The purpose of the "negotiations" is to determine the future of Jerusalem as well as all of the other "occupied territories."

If I have a border dispute with a neighbor and we agree to settle it on the basis of negotiations, I cannot be planting trees and building outbuildings on the disputed land. The same is true for the status of the "refugees." Their status and "return rights" must be part of the negotiations. What is the difference between the Arabs being intransigent on recognition of Israel as a "Jewish" state and the intransigence of Israel on the return rights of the refugees?

Either Israel is willing to negotiate or they are not. Their current (and for the past 50 years) actions indicate they pretend to be willing to negotiate, but in fact have already taken irreversible positions on the major points to be negotiated.

We now have an American SOS and President jumping through hoops to try to restart "negotiations," and Israel's positions are basically non-negotiable. There can be no viable Palestine made up of the shit territory that Israel doesn't want.

Jews began their nations on "shit territory" the arabs didn't want or couldn't use. They drained the swamps and watered the desert. They built schools where arabs could share the same education as jews and hospitals where arabs could be treated for free or minimal cost. Jews built power plants and laid pipes for clean water and sewage disposal. They reduced the threat of malaria and yellow fever.

 

[aris2chat]

Hamas doesn't control the air or water, you dumb ass.

Then who does as the fishermen are allowed to fish outside of their territorial waters, and planes can fly over gaza as much as they want. All that is stopped is ILLEGAL WEAPONS SMUGGLING. Making you the dumb ass child.

What are you talking about? It is legal for Palestine to import and manufacture weapons. And, the Palestinians have the right to bear arms.

Bearing arms is not a right but a privilege. There is no international right to bear arms. Palestinians do not have that privilege in Jordan or Lebanon any more. Some arms still exist in the camps, but if anyone is caught outside the camps with arms there is no consideration for them.
Palestinians deny christians the right to bear arms.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

There already is a two state solution in place. It's called Israel and the rest the arab world; or more specifically Israel and Jordan. Tell Jordan to take their citizens back.

 

[Phoenall]

Hamas doesn't control the air or water, you dumb ass.

Then who does as the fishermen are allowed to fish outside of their territorial waters, and planes can fly over gaza as much as they want. All that is stopped is ILLEGAL WEAPONS SMUGGLING. Making you the dumb ass child.

What are you talking about? It is legal for Palestine to import and manufacture weapons. And, the Palestinians have the right to bear arms.

No it isn't, not while they use those weapons to inflict injury on civilians. It is enshrined in the Geneva conventions that they do not target civilians and/or children. Also because they are recognised as a terrorist faction they can not import weapons. The only people with the right to bear arms are the military and police force, so making them valid military targets.

Stop re-writing International Law to suit your ISLAMONAZI POV.

 

[Phoenall]

Ali Abunimah, "The Battle for Justice in Palestine" Q&A - YouTube

If you want us to watch a video, it should be from 2-5 minutes. No one is going to watch an hour-long video. Just saying.

By the way, how are things in your soundbite world?

Why don't you just watch it from 14:00 to 15:20?

Could it be because it is nothing more than ISLAMONAZI LIES AND BLOOD LIBELS

 

[Phoenall]

Good points, Rocco, thanks.

BDS has three points:

1) End the occupation of all Arab land conquered in 1967. This includes the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.

2) Equal rights for Palestinian citizens of Israel.

3) The right of return.

This transcends the so called peace process and renders it irrelevant. BDS will continue until these rights are realized.

Note that BDS does not call for a Palestinian state.

Once all belligerence has ceased for a period of one year and not until, as enshrined in the UN resolutions and the Geneva conventions

So you want Israel to force them into joining the armed forces, and to stop teaching their children Islamic history ?

Just as soon as the Palestinians remove the clause from their charter and from the negotiation table that bans all Jews from Palestine.

This transcends the stupidity of the BDS movement in believing that they can overcome INTERNATIONAL LAW and CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS.

 

[Lipush]

I have not paid much attention to this board previously, but it is obvious that there are several strong supporters of Israel who post here. Correct me if I'm wrong, but...

It seems to me that while Israel keeps SAYING that they will ultimately support a "two-state solution," the fact of the hundreds of settlements in the areas that would presumably constitute the "Arab" state make a viable Arab state an impossibility? And their continuing to build new housing in 'Arab' areas - particularly in Jerusalem - is an insult to the parties on the other side of the table, and to the U.S. as well.

Does Israel, as a matter of policy, believe that the rest of the world is too stupid to see what they are doing?

How can anyone negotiate with people who are lying through their teeth?

May Israel built and built and the Arabs suffucate in their own haterd.

May Tamar Fogel built herself 5 more settlement dedicated to the memory of each one she has lost.


Don't you find it ironic that the only place Jews are not allowed to live in, simply for being Jews, is Judea?

 

[Lipush]

Just because Israel has made its desire known to keep all of Jerusalem does not make it a fact. The purpose of the "negotiations" is to determine the future of Jerusalem as well as all of the other "occupied territories."

If I have a border dispute with a neighbor and we agree to settle it on the basis of negotiations, I cannot be planting trees and building outbuildings on the disputed land. The same is true for the status of the "refugees." Their status and "return rights" must be part of the negotiations. What is the difference between the Arabs being intransigent on recognition of Israel as a "Jewish" state and the intransigence of Israel on the return rights of the refugees?

Either Israel is willing to negotiate or they are not. Their current (and for the past 50 years) actions indicate they pretend to be willing to negotiate, but in fact have already taken irreversible positions on the major points to be negotiated.

We now have an American SOS and President jumping through hoops to try to restart "negotiations," and Israel's positions are basically non-negotiable. There can be no viable Palestine made up of the shit territory that Israel doesn't want.

We didn't release thousands of terrorists for nothing.

releasing terrorists is one thing.

We will not give up one meter of Jerusalem. We will not forsake the blessed ancestors' land of Judea.

Dream on.

Negotiate is one thing. giving up your basic rights is another.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Then who does as the fishermen are allowed to fish outside of their territorial waters, and planes can fly over gaza as much as they want. All that is stopped is ILLEGAL WEAPONS SMUGGLING. Making you the dumb ass child.

What are you talking about? It is legal for Palestine to import and manufacture weapons. And, the Palestinians have the right to bear arms.

No it isn't, not while they use those weapons to inflict injury on civilians. It is enshrined in the Geneva conventions that they do not target civilians and/or children. Also because they are recognised as a terrorist faction they can not import weapons. The only people with the right to bear arms are the military and police force, so making them valid military targets.

Stop re-writing International Law to suit your ISLAMONAZI POV.

Could you quote the law that you are referring to?