The Turkish Whore to German Turks

[GHook93]

In a country that is 99.5% Muslim and made of as high as 97% Turkish (depending on how you define a Turk's ethnicity), he has a lot of nerve to condemn Turks that assimulate into German as criminals!

Turkish whore hypocrisy at its worst!

The World from Berlin: 'Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan Wants to Be the Father' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan angered German politicians when he stated during a speech in a concert arena in Cologne that assimilation is a "crime against humanity." The message to Turks living in Germany was that they are Turkish first and German second, even if they were born here.

 

[ekrem]

You are never ever alone.
You are not orphans.
You stand under the protection of the Federal Republic of Germany.

You also stand under the protection of a great nation, a large country.
You are under the protection of the Turkish Republic.

-- Prime Minister Erdogan in Dusseldorf (Germany). Address to German-Turks.

 

[PoliticalChic]

In a country that is 99.5% Muslim and made of as high as 97% Turkish (depending on how you define a Turk's ethnicity), he has a lot of nerve to condemn Turks that assimulate into German as criminals!

Turkish whore hypocrisy at its worst!

The World from Berlin: 'Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan Wants to Be the Father' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan angered German politicians when he stated during a speech in a concert arena in Cologne that assimilation is a "crime against humanity." The message to Turks living in Germany was that they are Turkish first and German second, even if they were born here.

What a great OP...more important than many understand!

Forgive me for adding this background, of which you may already be aware..

1. Sayyid Qutb was the single most influential Islamist writer. His masterwork, “In the Shade of the Qur’an,” commentaries on the various suras: Most of the original 30 volumes (114 Surahs) were written (or re-written) while in prison following an attempted assassination of Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser in 1954. Fi Zilal al-Qur'an - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. The notion of Islam as totality was Qutb’s most important concept, distinguishing Islam from all other worldviews- ‘Tawhid,’ the oneness of God. (Of course, Marxists had the same belief: George Lukacs defined that characteristic of Marxism that distinguished it from bourgeois thinking: ‘the primacy of the category of totality.’)

3. Qutb had a great fear that liberals doctrines about religion would spread from the Western societies into the Muslim world, and crowd out Islam; liberal ideas could invade the Muslim mind. His trembling rage was based on the example of Kemal Ataturk and his secular reforms in Turkey in 1924. Ataturk “who put to an end the Islamic Caliphate, separated religion from the State and declared the purely secular State.” (From “Islam: The Religion of the Future”) Ataturk showed that Islam was vulnerable.

4. So, you can see how pivotal the Islamization of Turkey is to their movement.
Here's hoping many consider your OP.
Rep on the way.

If you have the time, pick up Paul Berman's "Terror and Libealism" for a fuller exposition.

 

[Jos]

Not to mention Jews who identify with Israel over being Americans 1st

 

[ekrem]

I am here to look after you, I am here to show you, that you don't stand alone.
With all our capabilities, we are here to support you, and protect you.

-- Prime Minister Erdogan in Dusseldorf.


The bilateral discourse centers around bi-lingual education for German-Turks.
Turkey wants to build bi-lingual schools in Germany for German-Turks.

The German Government has said, that German language must stand equal in such kind of education:
Integration à la Erdogan: Erst Türkisch lernen - heute.de Nachrichten

 

[High_Gravity]

Not to mention Jews who identify with Israel over being Americans 1st

There are alot of Mexicans here who also identify with Mexico first, there are Arabs in England who wouldn't piss on the UK if it were in a blazing inferno. Not everyone is loyal to the country they live in.

 

[ekrem]

4. So, you can see how pivotal the Islamization of Turkey is to their movement.
Here's hoping many consider your OP.
Rep on the way.

Tell the blogger of your trust, he should write a blog-post collecting all Islamic legislature which has passed through parliament in Prime Minister Erdogan's 9 years as being Prime Minister.

 

[High_Gravity]

Your President is a joke Ekrem.

 

[Two Thumbs]

sometimes I click on threads b/c of cool titles, sometimes b/c I see the author and wonder what's new.
I'm often happy with the out come.

Now I know that Ghook is either in or from Illinois, and I think is a Jew.

So I'm wondering why I should give even the littlest bit of a damn as to what some douch in Germany?Turkey said Turks should or shouldn't do.

I've read all the posts up to this point and just can't find a valid reason for us to care.

Enlighten me.

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. So, you can see how pivotal the Islamization of Turkey is to their movement.
Here's hoping many consider your OP.
Rep on the way.

Tell the blogger of your trust, he should write a blog-post collecting all Islamic legislature which has passed through parliament in Prime Minister Erdogan's 9 years as being Prime Minister.

What is your point, old friend?

Is it that Turkey has not become more Islamist in the last decade or so?

Don't be shy, make your point.

"the blogger of your trust...:"here are a few....

1. Police arrested the officers on suspicion of plotting in 2003 to blow up mosques during Friday prayers and stir up tensions with neighboring Greece in an effort to discredit the Islamic-leaning Justice and Development Party (AKP) government. Details of the plot, code-named "Sledgehammer," were published last month by Taraf, a controversial daily that has revealed numerous alleged coup plots against the AKP since the publication first appeared in 2007.

The military says the allegations are part of a deliberate campaign to discredit it, and insists the documents published by Taraf were part of a war-game played out during a seminar in an Istanbul barracks in March 2003, and not a real plot.
On February 23, Chief of Staff General Ilker Basbug called top generals and admirals to Ankara for an emergency meeting, sparking speculation in the Turkish press that the military might be on the verge of intervening. Instead, it contented itself with a brief statement, posted on its website after the meeting, stating that it was closely following what it described as a "serious situation."

It was a muted response from a body that, back in 1997, used constitutional articles charging it with guarding Turkey's secular structure to justify forcing AKP's Islamist predecessor out of power. But a lot has changed in Turkey over the past 13 years. For a start, reforms Turkey pushed through after 1999 to ensure a start to European Union accession proceedings have loosened the military's grip on policy making.
http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/eav022410_pr.shtml

Could this be an attempt to make sure that the military cannot, as it has in the past, make certain that Turkey remains secular?

2. "Turkish flags and portraits of Prime Minister Erdogan are now ubiquitous in the Gaza Strip, where Turkey is being hailed by Hamas and other Muslim extremist groups ..." Pro-Turkey Bias | The Weekly Standard

Now, why is that?

3. "In the aftermath of the attempt by Hamas supporters to breach Israel's Gaza blockade, more questions should be asked about Turkey's relationship to Hamas--and about the U.S. attitude toward Turkey and its pro-Hamas associates. One point is already obvious: Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan of the Justice and Development Party (AKP) is a backer of the antiblockade campaign. The antiblockade operation was organized, by the Turkish “charity” Insan Haklary Ve Hurriyetleri Vakfi (IHH), which has been designated by both Israel and the U.S. as a supporter of Hamas. IHH is backed by fundamentalist Muslim cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi. Al-Qaradawi’s leading Western partner is the Swiss-born Muslim academic Tariq Ramadan.... But the movement of the Erdogan government away from Turkey’s long-standing alliance with Israel and its new alignment with Iran and Syria are deeply worrying....The alliance of the AKP government and Hamas can be seen as one of many expressions of these resuscitated imperial pretensions....an Islamist opposition penetrated the state and society using the spiritual practice of Sufism as a cover. Members of some Sufi groups were leading figures in the establishment of new Turkish Islamist parties. They included former prime minister Necmettin Erbakan.

In 1995 Turkish elections resulted in a governing coalition between secular conservatives in the True Path party and Islamists in the Welfare party, headed by Erbakan. Erbakan, who was named prime minister, was notable in calling for an orientation away from the West and Israel and toward the Arab countries, and for his Jew-baiting. Although he was removed from power in 1997, and the Welfare party was banned, Erbakan is the political mentor of Erdogan, and the Welfare party is a direct antecedent of Erdogan’s AKP. Erbakan maintains considerable influence through a transnational network called Milli Gorus (MG) or “National Vision.” MG cooperates with al-Qaradawi and Ramadan through the so-called European Council for Fatwas and Research (ECFR) headed by al-Qaradawi.

Prime Minister Erdogan is tied to Erbakan, al-Qaradawi, Ramadan, and Hamas, and Turkey now represents a major element in the global panorama of radical Islam. The response to this reality by the Obama administration, which appears to fantasize that extreme Muslim ideology is merely a product of social ills, rather than of official support in countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey, no less than in Iran and Syria, is badly mistaken."
Erdogan, Qaradawi, Ramadan, Hamas, and Obama | The Weekly Standard



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[ekrem]

What is your point, old friend?

Is it that Turkey has not become more Islamist in the last decade or so?

Don't be shy, make your point.

"the blogger of your trust...:"here are a few....

1. Police arrested the officers on suspicion of plotting in 2003 to blow up mosques during Friday prayers and stir up tensions with neighboring Greece in an effort to discredit the Islamic-leaning Justice and Development Party (AKP) government. Details of the plot, code-named "Sledgehammer," were published last month by Taraf, a controversial daily that has revealed numerous alleged coup plots against the AKP since the publication first appeared in 2007.

The military says the allegations are part of a deliberate campaign to discredit it, and insists the documents published by Taraf were part of a war-game played out during a seminar in an Istanbul barracks in March 2003, and not a real plot.
On February 23, Chief of Staff General Ilker Basbug called top generals and admirals to Ankara for an emergency meeting, sparking speculation in the Turkish press that the military might be on the verge of intervening. Instead, it contented itself with a brief statement, posted on its website after the meeting, stating that it was closely following what it described as a "serious situation."

It was a muted response from a body that, back in 1997, used constitutional articles charging it with guarding Turkey's secular structure to justify forcing AKP's Islamist predecessor out of power. But a lot has changed in Turkey over the past 13 years. For a start, reforms Turkey pushed through after 1999 to ensure a start to European Union accession proceedings have loosened the military's grip on policy making.
http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/eav022410_pr.shtml

Could this be an attempt to make sure that the military cannot, as it has in the past, make certain that Turkey remains secular?

2. "Turkish flags and portraits of Prime Minister Erdogan are now ubiquitous in the Gaza Strip, where Turkey is being hailed by Hamas and other Muslim extremist groups ..." Pro-Turkey Bias | The Weekly Standard

Now, why is that?

3. "In the aftermath of the attempt by Hamas supporters to breach Israel's Gaza blockade, more questions should be asked about Turkey's relationship to Hamas--and about the U.S. attitude toward Turkey and its pro-Hamas associates. One point is already obvious: Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan of the Justice and Development Party (AKP) is a backer of the antiblockade campaign. The antiblockade operation was organized, by the Turkish “charity” Insan Haklary Ve Hurriyetleri Vakfi (IHH), which has been designated by both Israel and the U.S. as a supporter of Hamas. IHH is backed by fundamentalist Muslim cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi. Al-Qaradawi’s leading Western partner is the Swiss-born Muslim academic Tariq Ramadan.... But the movement of the Erdogan government away from Turkey’s long-standing alliance with Israel and its new alignment with Iran and Syria are deeply worrying....The alliance of the AKP government and Hamas can be seen as one of many expressions of these resuscitated imperial pretensions....an Islamist opposition penetrated the state and society using the spiritual practice of Sufism as a cover. Members of some Sufi groups were leading figures in the establishment of new Turkish Islamist parties. They included former prime minister Necmettin Erbakan.

In 1995 Turkish elections resulted in a governing coalition between secular conservatives in the True Path party and Islamists in the Welfare party, headed by Erbakan. Erbakan, who was named prime minister, was notable in calling for an orientation away from the West and Israel and toward the Arab countries, and for his Jew-baiting. Although he was removed from power in 1997, and the Welfare party was banned, Erbakan is the political mentor of Erdogan, and the Welfare party is a direct antecedent of Erdogan’s AKP. Erbakan maintains considerable influence through a transnational network called Milli Gorus (MG) or “National Vision.” MG cooperates with al-Qaradawi and Ramadan through the so-called European Council for Fatwas and Research (ECFR) headed by al-Qaradawi.

Prime Minister Erdogan is tied to Erbakan, al-Qaradawi, Ramadan, and Hamas, and Turkey now represents a major element in the global panorama of radical Islam. The response to this reality by the Obama administration, which appears to fantasize that extreme Muslim ideology is merely a product of social ills, rather than of official support in countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey, no less than in Iran and Syria, is badly mistaken."
Erdogan, Qaradawi, Ramadan, Hamas, and Obama | The Weekly Standard



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You couldn't find legislation in a long 9 years?

Council Decision on the principles, priorities and conditions contained in the Accession Partnership with the Republic of Turkey
EUROPE-Lex - - europa.eu

Civilian oversight of the security forces
- Strengthen efforts to align civilian control of the military in line with the practice in EU Member States. Ensure that the military does not intervene in political issues and that civilian authorities fully exercise supervisory functions on security matters, including as regards the formulation of the national security strategy and its implementation,
- take steps towards bringing about greater accountability and transparency in the conduct of security affairs,
- establish full parliamentary oversight of military and defence policy and all related expenditure, including by external audit,
- limit the jurisdiction of military courts to military duties of military personnel.

As to the detention of the Army Officers in the Ergenekon trial:
(from EU commission)

Overall, the investigation into the alleged criminal network Ergenekon and the probe into several other coup plans remain an opportunity for Turkey to strengthen confidence in the proper functioning of its democratic institutions and the rule of law. However, there are concerns as regards judicial guarantees for all suspects. Turkey still needs to align its legislation as regards procedure and grounds for closure of political parties with European standards.

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf/key_documents/2010/package/tr_rapport_2010_en.pdf



So, what's your problem?

 

[ekrem]

Show us, where is the legislative Islamization ?

EU screening Turkey during the membership talks, publishing every year a benchmark-report regarding adaptation of EU law to Turkish law.

2005
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/arc...kage/sec_1426_final_progress_report_tr_en.pdf

2006
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf/key_documents/2006/nov/tr_sec_1390_en.pdf

2007
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf/key_documents/2007/nov/turkey_progress_reports_en.pdf

2008
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf...eports_nov_2008/turkey_progress_report_en.pdf

2009
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf/key_documents/2009/tr_rapport_2009_en.pdf

2010
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf/key_documents/2010/package/tr_rapport_2010_en.pdf

 

[PoliticalChic]

What is your point, old friend?

Is it that Turkey has not become more Islamist in the last decade or so?

Don't be shy, make your point.

"the blogger of your trust...:"here are a few....

1. Police arrested the officers on suspicion of plotting in 2003 to blow up mosques during Friday prayers and stir up tensions with neighboring Greece in an effort to discredit the Islamic-leaning Justice and Development Party (AKP) government. Details of the plot, code-named "Sledgehammer," were published last month by Taraf, a controversial daily that has revealed numerous alleged coup plots against the AKP since the publication first appeared in 2007.

The military says the allegations are part of a deliberate campaign to discredit it, and insists the documents published by Taraf were part of a war-game played out during a seminar in an Istanbul barracks in March 2003, and not a real plot.
On February 23, Chief of Staff General Ilker Basbug called top generals and admirals to Ankara for an emergency meeting, sparking speculation in the Turkish press that the military might be on the verge of intervening. Instead, it contented itself with a brief statement, posted on its website after the meeting, stating that it was closely following what it described as a "serious situation."

It was a muted response from a body that, back in 1997, used constitutional articles charging it with guarding Turkey's secular structure to justify forcing AKP's Islamist predecessor out of power. But a lot has changed in Turkey over the past 13 years. For a start, reforms Turkey pushed through after 1999 to ensure a start to European Union accession proceedings have loosened the military's grip on policy making.
http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/eav022410_pr.shtml

Could this be an attempt to make sure that the military cannot, as it has in the past, make certain that Turkey remains secular?

2. "Turkish flags and portraits of Prime Minister Erdogan are now ubiquitous in the Gaza Strip, where Turkey is being hailed by Hamas and other Muslim extremist groups ..." Pro-Turkey Bias | The Weekly Standard

Now, why is that?

3. "In the aftermath of the attempt by Hamas supporters to breach Israel's Gaza blockade, more questions should be asked about Turkey's relationship to Hamas--and about the U.S. attitude toward Turkey and its pro-Hamas associates. One point is already obvious: Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan of the Justice and Development Party (AKP) is a backer of the antiblockade campaign. The antiblockade operation was organized, by the Turkish “charity” Insan Haklary Ve Hurriyetleri Vakfi (IHH), which has been designated by both Israel and the U.S. as a supporter of Hamas. IHH is backed by fundamentalist Muslim cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi. Al-Qaradawi’s leading Western partner is the Swiss-born Muslim academic Tariq Ramadan.... But the movement of the Erdogan government away from Turkey’s long-standing alliance with Israel and its new alignment with Iran and Syria are deeply worrying....The alliance of the AKP government and Hamas can be seen as one of many expressions of these resuscitated imperial pretensions....an Islamist opposition penetrated the state and society using the spiritual practice of Sufism as a cover. Members of some Sufi groups were leading figures in the establishment of new Turkish Islamist parties. They included former prime minister Necmettin Erbakan.

In 1995 Turkish elections resulted in a governing coalition between secular conservatives in the True Path party and Islamists in the Welfare party, headed by Erbakan. Erbakan, who was named prime minister, was notable in calling for an orientation away from the West and Israel and toward the Arab countries, and for his Jew-baiting. Although he was removed from power in 1997, and the Welfare party was banned, Erbakan is the political mentor of Erdogan, and the Welfare party is a direct antecedent of Erdogan’s AKP. Erbakan maintains considerable influence through a transnational network called Milli Gorus (MG) or “National Vision.” MG cooperates with al-Qaradawi and Ramadan through the so-called European Council for Fatwas and Research (ECFR) headed by al-Qaradawi.

Prime Minister Erdogan is tied to Erbakan, al-Qaradawi, Ramadan, and Hamas, and Turkey now represents a major element in the global panorama of radical Islam. The response to this reality by the Obama administration, which appears to fantasize that extreme Muslim ideology is merely a product of social ills, rather than of official support in countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey, no less than in Iran and Syria, is badly mistaken."
Erdogan, Qaradawi, Ramadan, Hamas, and Obama | The Weekly Standard



...

You couldn't find legislation in a long 9 years?

Council Decision on the principles, priorities and conditions contained in the Accession Partnership with the Republic of Turkey
EUROPE-Lex - - europa.eu

Civilian oversight of the security forces
- Strengthen efforts to align civilian control of the military in line with the practice in EU Member States. Ensure that the military does not intervene in political issues and that civilian authorities fully exercise supervisory functions on security matters, including as regards the formulation of the national security strategy and its implementation,
- take steps towards bringing about greater accountability and transparency in the conduct of security affairs,
- establish full parliamentary oversight of military and defence policy and all related expenditure, including by external audit,
- limit the jurisdiction of military courts to military duties of military personnel.

As to the detention of the Army Officers in the Ergenekon trial:
(from EU commission)

Overall, the investigation into the alleged criminal network Ergenekon and the probe into several other coup plans remain an opportunity for Turkey to strengthen confidence in the proper functioning of its democratic institutions and the rule of law. However, there are concerns as regards judicial guarantees for all suspects. Turkey still needs to align its legislation as regards procedure and grounds for closure of political parties with European standards.

http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf/key_documents/2010/package/tr_rapport_2010_en.pdf



So, what's your problem?

What is your point, old friend?

Is it that Turkey has not become more Islamist in the last decade or so?

Don't be shy, make your point.

 

[ekrem]

35 chapters are being negotiated, in reality it means, adopted into Turkish law.
After these 35 chapters have been closed, France will hold a referendum on Turkish membership.

And then the likes of Ropey and High-Gravity show up and claim, that genocide is taking place in Turkey - Under the screening of the EU.


Chapter 1: Free movement of goods
Chapter 2: Freedom of movement for workers
Chapter 3: Right of establishment and freedom to provide services
Chapter 4: Free movement of capital
Chapter 5: Public procurement
Chapter 6: Company law
Chapter 7: Intellectual property law
Chapter 8: Competition policy
Chapter 9: Financial services
Chapter 10: Information society and media
Chapter 11: Agriculture and rural development
Chapter 12: Food safety, veterinary and phytosanitary policy
Chapter 13: Fisheries
Chapter 14: Transport policy
Chapter 15: Energy
Chapter 16: Taxation
Chapter 17: Economic and monetary policy
Chapter 18: Statistics
Chapter 19: Social policy and employment
Chapter 20: Enterprise and industrial policy
Chapter 21: Trans-European networks
Chapter 22: Regional policy and coordination of structural instruments
Chapter 23: Judiciary and fundamental rights
Chapter 24: Justice, freedom and security
Chapter 25: Science and research
Chapter 26: Education and culture
Chapter 27: Environment
Chapter 28: Consumer and health protection
Chapter 29: Customs union
Chapter 30: External relations
Chapter 31: Foreign, security and defence policy
Chapter 32: Financial control
Chapter 33: Financial and budgetary provisions
Chapter 34: Institutions
Chapter 35: Other issues



2005
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/arc...kage/sec_1426_final_progress_report_tr_en.pdf

2006
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf/key_documents/2006/nov/tr_sec_1390_en.pdf

2007
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf/key_documents/2007/nov/turkey_progress_reports_en.pdf

2008
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf...eports_nov_2008/turkey_progress_report_en.pdf

2009
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf/key_documents/2009/tr_rapport_2009_en.pdf

2010
http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/pdf/key_documents/2010/package/tr_rapport_2010_en.pdf

 

[ekrem]

What is your point, old friend?

Is it that Turkey has not become more Islamist in the last decade or so?

Don't be shy, make your point.

"the blogger of your trust...:"here are a few....

1. Police arrested the officers on suspicion of plotting in 2003 to blow up mosques during Friday prayers and stir up tensions with neighboring Greece in an effort to discredit the Islamic-leaning Justice and Development Party (AKP) government. Details of the plot, code-named "Sledgehammer," were published last month by Taraf, a controversial daily that has revealed numerous alleged coup plots against the AKP since the publication first appeared in 2007.

The military says the allegations are part of a deliberate campaign to discredit it, and insists the documents published by Taraf were part of a war-game played out during a seminar in an Istanbul barracks in March 2003, and not a real plot.
On February 23, Chief of Staff General Ilker Basbug called top generals and admirals to Ankara for an emergency meeting, sparking speculation in the Turkish press that the military might be on the verge of intervening. Instead, it contented itself with a brief statement, posted on its website after the meeting, stating that it was closely following what it described as a "serious situation."

It was a muted response from a body that, back in 1997, used constitutional articles charging it with guarding Turkey's secular structure to justify forcing AKP's Islamist predecessor out of power. But a lot has changed in Turkey over the past 13 years. For a start, reforms Turkey pushed through after 1999 to ensure a start to European Union accession proceedings have loosened the military's grip on policy making.
http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/eav022410_pr.shtml

Could this be an attempt to make sure that the military cannot, as it has in the past, make certain that Turkey remains secular?

2. "Turkish flags and portraits of Prime Minister Erdogan are now ubiquitous in the Gaza Strip, where Turkey is being hailed by Hamas and other Muslim extremist groups ..." Pro-Turkey Bias | The Weekly Standard

Now, why is that?

3. "In the aftermath of the attempt by Hamas supporters to breach Israel's Gaza blockade, more questions should be asked about Turkey's relationship to Hamas--and about the U.S. attitude toward Turkey and its pro-Hamas associates. One point is already obvious: Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan of the Justice and Development Party (AKP) is a backer of the antiblockade campaign. The antiblockade operation was organized, by the Turkish “charity” Insan Haklary Ve Hurriyetleri Vakfi (IHH), which has been designated by both Israel and the U.S. as a supporter of Hamas. IHH is backed by fundamentalist Muslim cleric Yusuf al-Qaradawi. Al-Qaradawi’s leading Western partner is the Swiss-born Muslim academic Tariq Ramadan.... But the movement of the Erdogan government away from Turkey’s long-standing alliance with Israel and its new alignment with Iran and Syria are deeply worrying....The alliance of the AKP government and Hamas can be seen as one of many expressions of these resuscitated imperial pretensions....an Islamist opposition penetrated the state and society using the spiritual practice of Sufism as a cover. Members of some Sufi groups were leading figures in the establishment of new Turkish Islamist parties. They included former prime minister Necmettin Erbakan.

In 1995 Turkish elections resulted in a governing coalition between secular conservatives in the True Path party and Islamists in the Welfare party, headed by Erbakan. Erbakan, who was named prime minister, was notable in calling for an orientation away from the West and Israel and toward the Arab countries, and for his Jew-baiting. Although he was removed from power in 1997, and the Welfare party was banned, Erbakan is the political mentor of Erdogan, and the Welfare party is a direct antecedent of Erdogan’s AKP. Erbakan maintains considerable influence through a transnational network called Milli Gorus (MG) or “National Vision.” MG cooperates with al-Qaradawi and Ramadan through the so-called European Council for Fatwas and Research (ECFR) headed by al-Qaradawi.

Prime Minister Erdogan is tied to Erbakan, al-Qaradawi, Ramadan, and Hamas, and Turkey now represents a major element in the global panorama of radical Islam. The response to this reality by the Obama administration, which appears to fantasize that extreme Muslim ideology is merely a product of social ills, rather than of official support in countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Turkey, no less than in Iran and Syria, is badly mistaken."
Erdogan, Qaradawi, Ramadan, Hamas, and Obama | The Weekly Standard



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Don't be shy, make your point.

I've made my point already.

 

[PoliticalChic]

(...)
Don't be shy, make your point.

I've made my point already.

Your unwillingness to answer the question speaks volumes.

 

[ekrem]

Your unwillingness to answer the question speaks volumes.

You avoid my questions.

The EU commission employs 180 people in Ankara to report back to the Enlargement Commissioner about the pre-accession progress of legislative adaption.
Based on these reports, the Enlargement Commissioner publishes once a year his final report of progress during the membership talks, which are now in the 7th year.

I gave you the links to these reports, because you claimed, there is Islamization going on.
I asked from you, to show which 'Islamization laws' are passing through parliament?

Can you deliver, or will you continue to just make some claims?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your unwillingness to answer the question speaks volumes.

You avoid my questions.

The EU commission employs 180 people in Ankara to report back to the Enlargement Commissioner about the pre-accession progress of legislative adaption.
Based on these reports, the Enlargement Commissioner publishes once a year his final report of progress during the membership talks, which are now in the 7th year.

I gave you the links to these reports, because you claimed, there is Islamization going on.
I asked from you, to show which 'Islamization laws' are passing through parliament?

Can you deliver, or will you continue to just make some claims?

One wonders why it is so painful for you to simply say, yes, the spirit of this government is more Islamist....

Is it because that is exactly the knowledge the world should have to resist the horrors of another totalitarian movement....and the war one always brings?

That would be understandable.

 

[ekrem]

Is it because that is exactly the knowledge the world should have to resist the horrors of another totalitarian movement....and the war one always brings?

That would be understandable. Quote Restored. We Do not alter Quotes Here.

Yes, totalitarian movement by expanding constitutional rights of the citizens and adapting them to EU-standards.

 

[ekrem]

German State Television

Under the professing Muslim, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who has been Turkish Prime Minister since the fall of 2002, Turkey has done more steps in the direction of Brussels then any secular government before.

Progress can be seen in expression and press freedom.
There are now officially television and radio stations which broadcast in the languages of minorities, especially in Kurdish, which was vilified several years ago as "mountain Turkish".
Moreover, the diversity of opinion has grown significantly and the climate of debate has become more open.

In addition, non-Muslim minorities now have more leeway.
For the first time since 88 years the former Greek monastery of Sümela on the Black Sea coast celebrated a Mass.
Also for the first time in over a hundred years, the Holy Cross church on the island Aghtama in Lake Van, which was the seat of the Armenian Catholicos, held a religious service.
EU-Beitritt: Türkei zwischen Fortschritt und Verärgerung | tagesschau.de

In September 2010 there was a referendum, which has been voted yes by the citizens. (Inclusive Democracy)
In that referendum children rights and privacy of citizen-information in-front of the State was strengthened.
(Again from German State Television)
Nach dem Ja zur Verfassungsreform: Rückenwind für Erdogan | tagesschau.de

After June 12th elections there will be written a new constitution.
It's a key demand of the EU.

You can continue to make your claims, they don't stem from the reality.
Just bad-bad Muslim propaganda. Simplistic Muslim bashing. How can we be 'old friends'?