The Truth-Afghanistan

[Lesh]

So we should have stayed?

How long?

Another 20 years?

 

[Asclepias]

Trump and Pompeo had a "conditions based" withdrawl plan.

Taliban violated that agreement dozens of times and Drumpf still reduced the troops so spare me.

“U.S. officials stated the Taliban must reduce violence as a necessary condition for continued U.S. reduction in forces and that remaining high levels of violence could jeopardize the U.S.-Taliban agreement,” according to the report, which covered activity from Jan. 1, 2020, to March 31, 2020. “Even still, the United States began to reduce its forces in Afghanistan from roughly 13,000 to 8,600.”

 

[kyzr]

Taliban violated that agreement dozens of times and Drumpf still reduced the troops so spare me.

“U.S. officials stated the Taliban must reduce violence as a necessary condition for continued U.S. reduction in forces and that remaining high levels of violence could jeopardize the U.S.-Taliban agreement,” according to the report, which covered activity from Jan. 1, 2020, to March 31, 2020. “Even still, the United States began to reduce its forces in Afghanistan from roughly 13,000 to 8,600.”

AFG was stable after Trump left, no US serviceman was killed in the last 18-months of Trump.
Xiden turned AFG into a disaster because of his stupidity.

 

[onefour1]

The Biden Admin came up with the Brilliant solution to charge the stranded Americans $2000 a pop to get rescued after they screw everything up for people in that country. All the while, they are blowing millions or billions on illegal immigrants by flying them all over the country at our expense. Biden has made Americans second class citizens to illegal Aliens.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

This thread is more proof of how desperate Democrats are to spin this on Trump.

The more Democrats blame trump, the weaker and more pathetic they make Talibiden look.

 

[Asclepias]

AFG was stable after Trump left, no US serviceman was killed in the last 18-months of Trump.

Bullshit. The Taliban repeatedly violated Drumpfs agreement and 14 military were killed in Afghanistan under Drumpf in 2017 alone.

No US service people have been killed in Afghanistan since Biden took office.

 

[onefour1]

Another Debacle: Biden Admin Scraps Plan to Charge Americans Evacuating from Afghanistan $2,000 after Public Outrage — Maria Bartiromo Goes Off!

 

[MisterBeale]

Wrong sub-forum.

We had a lot of members get their thread locked after not following the rules. This one needs to be locked as well. I tried to post in a few while they were being locked.

IM2, this is the correct Afghan forum you need to post in.

Afghanistan

www.usmessageboard.com

Now, won't some mod lock this bitch up?

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Wrong sub-forum.

We had a lot of members get their thread locked after not following the rules. This one needs to be locked as well. I tried to post in a few while they were being locked.

IM2, this is the correct Afghan forum you need to post in.

Afghanistan

www.usmessageboard.com

Now, won't some mod lock this bitch up?

Mods... please hide Afghanistan threads because they hurt my feelings.

 

[MisterBeale]

Mods... please hide Afghanistan threads because they hurt my feelings.

Doesn't hurt my feelings, IMO?

Y'all are being played by the CFR and the establishment, both sides.

None of y'all has the first clue.

"Graveyard of Empires" Claims Another Victim​

Corbett ReportAug 14, 2021, 10:59:36 AM

"Graveyard of Empires" Claims Another Victim | Minds

by James Corbettcorbettreport.comAugust 14, 2021The war in Afghanistan is over! Long live the war in Afghanistan!Yes, in case you haven't he...

www.minds.com

". . . To address the first question, it is worth repeating a dictum that I have repeated so many times over the years that I should probably just call it Corbett's Law: Major deep state events do not take place for one and only one reason. They take place because they serve the varied interests of the many deep state players involved.

JFK was not shot for one and only one reason, 9/11 did not take place for one and only one reason, the COVID scamdemic is not taking place for one and only one reason, and Afghanistan was not invaded for one and only one reason. Instead, we have to understand that Afghanistan was invaded for a number of overlapping geostrategic, military and economic reasons. In no particular order, these reasons include:

securing a key transportation corridor from rich Caspian Sea oil and gas reserves;
gaining access to a trillion dollars of untapped mineral wealth in the country;
protecting the poppy crop, which the Taliban nearly eradicated under its rule and which now produces 85% of the world’s opium; and
providing a military foothold in a chaotic and—with the rise of China's Belt-and-Road Initiative—increasingly strategic area.

All of which makes this "withdrawal" all the more puzzling. Why is Biden pulling out at all? All of the geostrategic and economic imperatives that prompted the invasion 20 years ago are still in play today; in fact, given China's growing influence in the Central Asian region, it's arguably even more important for America to have a military deployment on their doorstep than it was in 2001.

One possible answer to this conundrum is that this "withdrawal" is not really a withdrawal at all. Remember when Trump announced that he was PULLING THE TROOPS OUT OF (Northern) SYRIA!!! . . . and, oh by the way, putting them in Western Iraq? Hmmm, I wonder if a similar sleight-of-hand maneuver might be in play here.. . . "

<snip>

". . . But wait, it gets even worse!

Not only is the DHS using their crystal ball to predict that these forthcoming Al-CIAda attacks will be perpetrated by MAGA cap-wearing yahoos, they are also warning of the threat posed by "malign foreign influences." Specifically, they tell us:

Nation-state adversaries have increased efforts to sow discord. For example, Russian, Chinese and Iranian government-linked media outlets have repeatedly amplified conspiracy theories concerning the origins of COVID-19 and effectiveness of vaccines; in some cases, amplifying calls for violence targeting persons of Asian descent.

I suggest you go and peruse each of the cookie crumbs of information along this trail for yourself, because the enormity of what is happening right now is difficult to convey. Once you do so, I think you'll start to see that the various threads of this narrative are being spun into a Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory being pushed by the powers-that-shouldn't-be: That a newly resurgent Al CIAda is working with the Russians, Chinese and Iranians to radicalize far-right domestic extremists who question the effectiveness of vaccines. If you have a "False Flag" bingo card on you, please note that every square on your card has now been punched.

Getting back to Afghanistan, let me concede that Corbett's Law applies to this current "withdrawal" from the country. Just as there was not one singular reason for the invasion, there is not one singular reason for the withdrawal. I still think the New Great Game with China is an exceptionally important part of what is happening here and we have not heard the last of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement or other NATO terror proxies who will likely be knocking on China's door in the near future.

But having said that, I have a very bad feeling about the new Al-CIAda / domestic terrorist narrative that is emerging as a result of this Afghan chaos and I think a false flag event (or perhaps a series of false flag events) may be just around the corner to paint "anti-vaxxers" and those who question the government as extremists who need to be dealt with.. . . "

 

[MisterBeale]

6 Questions we NEED to ask about Afghanistan​

So, what’s REALLY going on? Is the apparent Taliban “victory” masking the true narrative?​

6 Questions we NEED to ask about Afghanistan

Kit Knightly Afghanistan has “fallen”, that’s the line. The Taliban forces have taken the opportunity of US/NATO withdrawal and swept across the entire country, taking every major…

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1. Did the Taliban really just win?​

2. Is the chaos real?​

" . . .All of this serves a purpose, aside from the distraction of emotive metaphors and lurid headlines. It all aids in the construction of a narrative.

In this case, the ideas of US “mistakes” and “incompetence” and “wishful thinking” are discussed at length, without ever touching on the true mendacity at the heart of the Afghan invasion.

The “end” of the Afghan war is being used to re-brand its beginnings. The Taliban are propped up as villains, again, and associated with Al Qaeda, as if they were ever anything but a Western tool in the first place.

People are talking about “spreading democracy” and “counter-terrorism” as if they were the real aims of the war, instead of long-discredited lies.

Marketing Afghanistan as a “defeat” for the US camouflages the truth of it – the war was a VERY profitable business venture.

And, of course, it all serves to reinforce the frail official story of 9/11, a vital keystone in the construction of our geo-political “reality”. . . "

3. What about the heroin?​

4. Will there be any Political Fallout?​

" . . .Geo-politically, the talk is of Russia and China – the only two counties to officially recognise the Taliban government – “stepping into the void”. This is being played as a victory for America’s enemies (and another stick with which to beat Biden), but does that really mean anything?

The Covid “pandemic” has been an eye-opener in terms of conflict between nations. They’ve shown us that, when they really need to, they work together to the same end. They tell the same lies, sell the same stories, and want the same thing. The wall at the back of the theatre has been revealed, in that regard.

The truth is, no matter which nations notionally hold sway in Afghanistan, the profits from the war, the lithium and the heroin will all end up going to the same few pockets. Corporations rule, not countries. Nation-states are no longer the players of the Great Game, they are the pieces. Toys for corporate megaliths. Their owners can make them fight each other, or bump them together and make kissy noises. Each is equally meaningless. . . ."

5. Is there another “Refugee Crisis” on the way?​

". . .That importing asylum seekers, undocumented, from a near-failed state could be suggested at all during an allegedly “deadly pandemic” is a sign of just how contrived both narratives are.

It’s not said much – but corporations love refugees. Just like illegal immigrants, undocumented refugees can be used as cheap labour, with none of the legal protections of full citizens. They can then be blamed for deteriorating living standards, unemployment and wage stagnation. They act as a heat-sink for public anger.

Further, “refugees” with no passports are a great way to get your trained mercenaries, agitators, saboteurs, and/or special forces across national borders without leaving a trail. . . . "

6. Will we see a major terrorist attack?​

Progressive Critics Say Investors in US Weapon-Makers Only Clear Winners of Afghan War | Common Dreams

"The military-industrial complex got exactly what it wanted out of this war."

www.commondreams.org

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Doesn't hurt my feelings, IMO?

Y'all are being played by the CFR and the establishment, both sides.

None of y'all has the first clue.

"Graveyard of Empires" Claims Another Victim​

Corbett ReportAug 14, 2021, 10:59:36 AM

"Graveyard of Empires" Claims Another Victim | Minds

by James Corbettcorbettreport.comAugust 14, 2021The war in Afghanistan is over! Long live the war in Afghanistan!Yes, in case you haven't he...

www.minds.com

". . . To address the first question, it is worth repeating a dictum that I have repeated so many times over the years that I should probably just call it Corbett's Law: Major deep state events do not take place for one and only one reason. They take place because they serve the varied interests of the many deep state players involved.

JFK was not shot for one and only one reason, 9/11 did not take place for one and only one reason, the COVID scamdemic is not taking place for one and only one reason, and Afghanistan was not invaded for one and only one reason. Instead, we have to understand that Afghanistan was invaded for a number of overlapping geostrategic, military and economic reasons. In no particular order, these reasons include:

securing a key transportation corridor from rich Caspian Sea oil and gas reserves;
gaining access to a trillion dollars of untapped mineral wealth in the country;
protecting the poppy crop, which the Taliban nearly eradicated under its rule and which now produces 85% of the world’s opium; and
providing a military foothold in a chaotic and—with the rise of China's Belt-and-Road Initiative—increasingly strategic area.

All of which makes this "withdrawal" all the more puzzling. Why is Biden pulling out at all? All of the geostrategic and economic imperatives that prompted the invasion 20 years ago are still in play today; in fact, given China's growing influence in the Central Asian region, it's arguably even more important for America to have a military deployment on their doorstep than it was in 2001.

One possible answer to this conundrum is that this "withdrawal" is not really a withdrawal at all. Remember when Trump announced that he was PULLING THE TROOPS OUT OF (Northern) SYRIA!!! . . . and, oh by the way, putting them in Western Iraq? Hmmm, I wonder if a similar sleight-of-hand maneuver might be in play here.. . . "

<snip>

". . . But wait, it gets even worse!

Not only is the DHS using their crystal ball to predict that these forthcoming Al-CIAda attacks will be perpetrated by MAGA cap-wearing yahoos, they are also warning of the threat posed by "malign foreign influences." Specifically, they tell us:

Nation-state adversaries have increased efforts to sow discord. For example, Russian, Chinese and Iranian government-linked media outlets have repeatedly amplified conspiracy theories concerning the origins of COVID-19 and effectiveness of vaccines; in some cases, amplifying calls for violence targeting persons of Asian descent.

I suggest you go and peruse each of the cookie crumbs of information along this trail for yourself, because the enormity of what is happening right now is difficult to convey. Once you do so, I think you'll start to see that the various threads of this narrative are being spun into a Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory being pushed by the powers-that-shouldn't-be: That a newly resurgent Al CIAda is working with the Russians, Chinese and Iranians to radicalize far-right domestic extremists who question the effectiveness of vaccines. If you have a "False Flag" bingo card on you, please note that every square on your card has now been punched.

Getting back to Afghanistan, let me concede that Corbett's Law applies to this current "withdrawal" from the country. Just as there was not one singular reason for the invasion, there is not one singular reason for the withdrawal. I still think the New Great Game with China is an exceptionally important part of what is happening here and we have not heard the last of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement or other NATO terror proxies who will likely be knocking on China's door in the near future.

But having said that, I have a very bad feeling about the new Al-CIAda / domestic terrorist narrative that is emerging as a result of this Afghan chaos and I think a false flag event (or perhaps a series of false flag events) may be just around the corner to paint "anti-vaxxers" and those who question the government as extremists who need to be dealt with.. . . "

I'm not being played by 2 sides. I am a side.

Democrats hide and censor. Just like Joe, they run from the opposition.

 

[onefour1]

Biden Admin rescues more Afghanis than Americans?

 

[MisterBeale]

I'm not being played by 2 sides. I am a side.

Democrats hide and censor. Just like Joe, they run from the opposition.

You only think you are on "one side," silly.

If you understood everything I just posted, you would understand, the global oligarchs at the top, own all the pieces and all the "sides."

Everything you believe is a lie. All the propaganda, and all the narratives that are being sold by both "sides," are comfortable lies.

I am stunned that you could at once question the integrity of the election, and then just turn around and believe everything they are selling about this, you make no logical sense. NONE AT ALL.

How do you reconcile believing that the CFR media lies about some things, but not others? Which ones do you decide is the truth? Is it just arbitrary based on what . . . feels truthy?

". . . Do you believe this story? Is it at all believable?

Ignore the sound and fury from the media. The press are like a street magician, if you want to understand what they’re up to you have to look past the hand he’s waving in your face, and look at the one behind his back.

It seems fairly obvious, to me anyway, that US gave weapons and vehicles to the Taliban in exchange for a promise to keep the heroin production going (and maybe access to mineral mines, no word on that yet).

Meanwhile, the “fall out” of the totally manufactured “chaos” is being used to fan the flames of fear-porn. Promoting division over asylum seekers and spreading panic about terrorism.

In short, the Afghanistan story, as related by the mainstream press, is a twisted illogical ball of confusion, intended to provide fuel for future narratives of control.

…which is pretty much true of everything in the news, these days.. . ."

 

[OKTexas]

How the fuck do you fix something in 6 months that has been fucked up for 20 years?

First it's 7 months. Second you prioritize US civilian contractors and NGO workers to evacuate, then Afghan civilians that worked with the US and coalition forces and get them all out of the country before you close the facility that provides your air power. Third, then and only then do you consolidate your military and evacuate them. It's not fucking rocket science, it's just logistics. Obviously something that is beyond the capability of the xiden regime.

.

 

[IM2]

Another Debacle: Biden Admin Scraps Plan to Charge Americans Evacuating from Afghanistan $2,000 after Public Outrage — Maria Bartiromo Goes Off!

The gateway pundit is a bullshit site with no credibility. You'd do better posting news from the onion.

 

[surada]

Such is the art of the deal.

Trump Administration Has Drastically Dropped Visas For Afghan And Iraqi Interpreters
May 1, 2019 5:10 AM ET

In light of the sacrifice made by Iraqis and Afghans who assisted U.S. forces, Congress created the Special Immigrant Visa Program to get them and their families to safety in the U.S. Farley says it was about gratitude and also an incentive for local nationals to help U.S. troops. Now veterans such as Farley, as well as dozens of lawmakers, say they're afraid the promise they made is being broken. Under the Trump administration, the number coming to the U.S. has dropped drastically.



Trump Attacks Biden For Afghanistan Chaos After Giving Taliban The Deal That Ensured It
Trump referred to the terrorist group as great “warriors” and even suggested they have a right to rule the country.
08/19/2021

“We had a good long conversation today and, you know, they want to cease the violence. They’d like to cease violence also,” Trump said on March 3, 2020, just days after the agreement ― which was made with the Taliban but not the U.S.-allied Afghan government ― was signed.

He told reporters he’d had a 35-minute phone call with the Taliban leader and had told him: “It is a pleasure to talk to you. You are a tough people and have a great country, and I understand that you are fighting for your homeland.”

Six months later, Trump said at a news conference: “They’re very tough, they’re very smart, they’re very sharp.”

Even now, with the Taliban having overrun the Afghan government and taken back control, Trump continued praising the group, known for its murderous, theocratic tactics. “I will tell you they’re good fighters. You have to give them credit for that. They’ve been fighting for a thousand years. That’s what they do is they fight,” Trump told Fox Business on Tuesday.

At one point, Trump even claimed that the Taliban would take over the counterterrorism operation the United States had been basing out of Afghanistan. “They will be killing terrorists. They will be killing some very bad people. They will keep that fight going,” Trump said.

In fact, by the time of the February 2020 agreement, the Taliban had essentially merged with al Qaeda, the terrorist group it had harbored leading up to the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on America. The Taliban’s refusal to hand over Osama bin Laden and other al Qaeda leaders to the U.S. was the basis for the U.S. invasion and removal of the Taliban from power in the first place.

“I was at a loss as to where he got a lot of his information,” a Trump White House official said on condition of anonymity.

Indeed, as Trump and some of his top aides attack Biden for the chaotic departure from Kabul that threatens to leave Americans as well as Afghan nationals who helped the U.S. to the mercy of the Taliban regime, they do so despite having set up the conditions that made a smooth evacuation and withdrawal nearly impossible without yet another troop surge.

That the deal was negotiated with the Taliban, without the Afghan government, immediately sent signals about their future. The Taliban’s lead negotiator, in fact, was released from a Pakistan prison at Trump’s request.

And in one of his final acts before leaving office, Trump reduced the U.S. military presence in the country to just 2,500 troops ― not nearly enough to maintain control of Kabul, let alone all the major cities and military installations, including Bagram Air Base, without the help of the Afghan government’s police force and army.

Those security units, however, largely surrendered or simply vanished as a Taliban sweep of the country looked ever more inevitable.

Trump Attacks Biden For Afghanistan Chaos After Giving Taliban The Deal That Ensured It

Trump referred to the terrorist group as great "warriors" and even suggested they have a right to rule the country.

www.huffpost.com

Trump's deal with the Taliban set the stage for the Afghan collapse

History will mark Aug. 15, 2021, as the date that the Afghan government collapsed and the Taliban retook control over this troubled and war-torn country. But the real date that the Taliban's victory was assured is Feb. 29, 2020, the day the Trump administration signed what it characterized as a "peace" deal with the Taliban. Once this agreement was signed - the tragic collapse we witnessed this weekend was inevitable.

Of course, the agreement was not, and could not possibly have been, a "peace" deal since one of the parties currently at war - the Afghan government - was not a signatory. Rather, this was a "withdrawal" agreement between the U.S. and the Taliban that set the terms for the complete departure of American troops from Afghanistan by May 2021.

What did the United States gain in exchange for this withdrawal, for which the Taliban had been fighting for 20 years? Nothing but vague, unenforceable promises that the Taliban would not engage in hostilities against the departing U.S. troops and would "send a clear message" to al Qaeda that it "had no place" in Afghanistan. So eager Trump was to withdraw, we did not even hold out for a clear, firm commitment that the Taliban would not provide aid, safe harbor or weaponry to al Qaeda and like-minded groups. The agreement contained no enforcement mechanisms and included no penalties on the Taliban for failing to comply with its terms.

The fact that the United States entered into negotiations and then an agreement with the Taliban, without even inviting the Afghan government to the table, undercut the power and legitimacy of the government. The citizenry, including those in the national armed services and police, could plainly see that its own government was being ignored, a helpless bystander in critical discussions about the country's future. After we had cut the legs out from under this government and rendered it a paper tiger, it is no wonder that when those serving in the Afghan army and police were asked to fight, most said, "No, thanks."

Trump's deal with the Taliban set the stage for the Afghan collapse

The Taliban offered up OBL three times.. The first was in 1998 after the bombing of the USS Cole.

The Panjshir Resistance just organized less than a month ago and they are pretty safe in the Panjshir Valley which is sort of a natural fortress in the North.

Looks like they still want their civil war.

 

[surada]

You only think you are on "one side," silly.

If you understood everything I just posted, you would understand, the global oligarchs at the top, own all the pieces and all the "sides."

Everything you believe is a lie. All the propaganda, and all the narratives that are being sold by both "sides," are comfortable lies.

I am stunned that you could at once question the integrity of the election, and then just turn around and believe everything they are selling about this, you make no logical sense. NONE AT ALL.

How do you reconcile believing that the CFR media lies about some things, but not others? Which ones do you decide is the truth? Is it just arbitrary based on what . . . feels truthy?

". . . Do you believe this story? Is it at all believable?

Ignore the sound and fury from the media. The press are like a street magician, if you want to understand what they’re up to you have to look past the hand he’s waving in your face, and look at the one behind his back.

It seems fairly obvious, to me anyway, that US gave weapons and vehicles to the Taliban in exchange for a promise to keep the heroin production going (and maybe access to mineral mines, no word on that yet).

Meanwhile, the “fall out” of the totally manufactured “chaos” is being used to fan the flames of fear-porn. Promoting division over asylum seekers and spreading panic about terrorism.

In short, the Afghanistan story, as related by the mainstream press, is a twisted illogical ball of confusion, intended to provide fuel for future narratives of control.

…which is pretty much true of everything in the news, these days.. . ."

China already has mining operations and they have built the infrastructure to get Afghani natural resources to market.

 

[Lesh]

The Taliban offered up OBL three times.. The first was in 1998 after the bombing of the USS Cole.

The Panjshir Resistance just organized less than a month ago and they are pretty safe in the Panjshir Valley which is sort of a natural fortress in the North.

Looks like they still want their civil war.

IF w halted all bombing and IF we proved to them to their satisfaction that OBL was guilty of the 911 attacks and IF OBL was sent to a country of THEIR choosing

Yea...right

 

[surada]

IF w halted all bombing and IF we proved to them to their satisfaction that OBL was guilty of the 911 attacks and IF OBL was sent to a country of THEIR choosing

Yea...right

Why not? Sharia law has dealt with terrorists and murderers before .. Quite harshly in fact.