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because what with you being the ultimate dumbass you be used to it. If you have anything but insults please add them to the subject matter. If the heat is too much I suggest you and Trump skedaddle to yer emporium of presstitutes of pandering to a scam.LOL ....Welcome to the world of politics people, grow up.
Another total meaningless dumbass response ..
Why am I not surprised.
did i say something you didnt like johnnie?....ANYONE who thinks this was about Trump IS NOT a "real America" ....just because someone does not agree with you or trump does not mean they aint a "real" American......many "real" Americans couldnt stand trump....
Please feel free to debunk any of the facts listed in the Tweet.Just the same old whiny, laundry list of alt-right complaints I've heard for years. None to be lent credence to. I'll boil it straight down for you based on multiple conversations with Trump supporters over the last five years. You supported him and liked him because in places you won't admit exist in you, he was a kindred spirit. Someone who didn't like "different" people as your Silent Generation and Baby Boomer family members didn't. And was vocal enough and smart enough to tap into your perceived grievances and turn them into talking points that served as a rallying cry. Terms like "socialism", "commie", "woke"..etc adnauseaum. Even making it OK to voice your bigotry out loud in public. It was cathartic to his supporters whose anger had been building for decades. But when he proved to be incompetent and blew the response to the virus that so far has killed over 650K people, he was rejected at the polls. He had been telegraphing for months that if he lost, it was because of fraud. And you lemmings lapped it all up. So we got January 6th. Wasn't a huge surprise to most of us. He'd been pumping it up for weeks before.
Sorry, at the end of the day, you ARE the crazy ones. Normally, I would just pass off disagreements over politics or policy as differences of opinion. But the basic core fact that you don't believe the election was legitimate just because the man you thought was going to return your country to you...lost..is a non-starter. YOU are the ones with the binary thinking. YOU are the ones causing the division pimping. Sorry, this kind of ignorance..needs to be stamped out by the people who just want to get on with our lives. Best accomplished by marginalizing you..by any means necessary.
Otherwise your post are meaningless.
No one cares what your "opinion" of the facts are.
Welcome to the world of politics people, grow up.
What in the world scares these folks so much about universal health care, great public educational opportunities at affordable rates, clean air/land/water, fair treatment of us all within the justice system, working with others across the globe as partners, womens rights and equality, investing in each other, etc. etc. Every one of these sensible positions benefits them as much as it does their hated foes. What the f is wrong with these people?
so its about trump right?....stick to your gun threads ,you dont come off like an asswipe there.....just because someone does not agree with you or trump does not mean they aint a "real" American......many "real" Americans couldnt stand trump....Great article....it explains exactly why Trump supporters and other real Americans feel the way they do about not just the election, but the government and the democrat controlled press.......
Okay, enough summarizing though. Here are parts of the thread. You can read the full exchange here [emphasis mine]:
This whole thread is a great read. Share it with your friends and relatives. Have a debate. See what happens. We’re not the crazy ones. We never have been.I think I've had discussions w/enough Boomer-tier Trump supporters who believe the 2020 election was fraudulent to extract a general theory about their perspective. It is also the perspective of most of the people at the Capitol on 1/6, and probably even Trump himself. 1/x
Most believe some or all of the theories involving midnight ballots, voting machines, etc, but what you find when you talk to them is that, while they'll defend those positions w/info they got from Hannity or Breitbart or whatever, they're not particularly attached to them. 2/x
Here are the facts - actual, confirmed facts - that shape their perspective: 1) The FBI/etc spied on the 2016 Trump campaign using evidence manufactured by the Clinton campaign. We now know that all involved knew it was fake from Day 1 (see: Brennan's July 2016 memo, etc). 3/x
These are Tea Party people. The types who give their kids a pocket Constitution for their birthday and have Founding Fathers memes in their bios. The intel community spying on a presidential campaign using fake evidence (incl forged documents) is a big deal to them.
[…]
At first, many Trump ppl were worried there must be some collusion, because every media & intel agency wouldn't make it up out of nothing. When it was clear that they had made it up, people expected a reckoning, and shed many illusions about their gov't when it didn't happen. 7/x
We know as fact: a) The Steele dossier was the sole evidence used to justify spying on the Trump campaign, b) The FBI knew the Steele dossier was a DNC op, c) Steele's source told the FBI the info was unserious, d) they did not inform the court of any of this and kept spying. 8/x
Trump supporters know the collusion case front and back. They went from worrying the collusion must be real, to suspecting it might be fake, to realizing it was a scam, then watched as every institution - agencies, the press, Congress, academia - gaslit them for another year. 9/x
Worse, collusion was used to scare people away from working in the administration. They knew their entire lives would be investigated. Many quit because they were being bankrupted by legal fees. The DoJ, press, & gov't destroyed lives and actively subverted an elected admin.
[…]
It's hard to describe to people on the left (who are used to thinking of gov't as a conspiracy... Watergate, COINTELPRO, WMD, etc) how shocking & disillusioning this was for people who encourage their sons to enlist in the Army, and hate ppl who don't stand for the Anthem. 13/x
They could have managed the shock if it only involved the government. But the behavior of the corporate press is really what radicalized them. They hate journalists more than they hate any politician or gov't official, because they feel most betrayed by them. 14/x
The idea that the press is driven by ratings/sensationalism became untenable. If that were true, they'd be all over the Epstein story. The corporate press is the propaganda arm of the Regime they now see in outline. Nothing anyone says will ever make them unsee that, period. 15/x
This is profoundly disorienting. Many of them don't know for certain whether ballots were faked in November 2020, but they know for absolute certain that the press, the FBI, etc would lie to them if there was. They have every reason to believe that, and it's probably true.
They watched the press behave like animals for four years. Tens of millions of people will always see Kavanaugh as a gang rapist, based on nothing, because of CNN. And CNN seems proud of that. They led a lynch mob against a high school kid. They cheered on a summer of riots.
[…]
Then you get the Hunter laptop scandal. Big Tech ran a full-on censorship campaign against a major newspaper to protect a political candidate. Period. Everyone knows it, all of the Tech companies now admit it was a "mistake" - but, ya know, the election's over, so who cares? 22/x
Goes w/o saying, but: If the NY Times had Don Jr's laptop, full of pics of him smoking crack and engaging in group sex, lots of lurid family drama, emails describing direct corruption and backed up by the CEO of the company they were using, the NYT wouldn't have been banned. 23/x
Think back: Stories about Trump being pissed on by Russian prostitutes and blackmailed by Putin were promoted as fact, and the only evidence was a document paid for by his opposition and disavowed by its source. The NY Post was banned for reporting on true information. 24/x
The reaction of Trump ppl to all this was not, "no fair!" That's how they felt about Romney's "binders of women" in 2012. This is different. Now they see, correctly, that every institution is captured by ppl who will use any means to exclude them from the political process.
[URL unfurl="true"]Twitter Thread Nails Why Trump Supporters Feel the Way They Do About the 2020 Election[/URL]
the source article.....
Most believe some or all of the theories involving midnight ballots, voting machines, etc, but what you find when you talk to them is that, while they'll defend those positions w/info they got from Hannity or Breitbart or whatever, they're not particularly attached to them. 2/x
Here are the facts - actual, confirmed facts - that shape their perspective: 1) The FBI/etc spied on the 2016 Trump campaign using evidence manufactured by the Clinton campaign. We now know that all involved knew it was fake from Day 1 (see: Brennan's July 2016 memo, etc). 3/x
These are Tea Party people. The types who give their kids a pocket Constitution for their birthday and have Founding Fathers memes in their bios. The intel community spying on a presidential campaign using fake evidence (incl forged documents) is a big deal to them. 4/x
Everyone involved lied about their involvement as long as they could. We only learned the DNC paid for the manufactured evidence because of a court order. Comey denied on TV knowing the DNC paid for it, when we have emails from a year earlier proving that he knew. 5/x
This was true with everyone, from CIA Dir Brennan & Adam Schiff - who were on TV saying they'd seen clear evidence of collusion w/Russia, while admitting under oath behind closed doors that they hadn't - all the way down the line. In the end we learned that it was ALL fake. 6/x
At first, many Trump ppl were worried there must be some collusion, because every media & intel agency wouldn't make it up out of nothing. When it was clear that they had made it up, people expected a reckoning, and shed many illusions about their gov't when it didn't happen. 7/x
We know as fact: a) The Steele dossier was the sole evidence used to justify spying on the Trump campaign, b) The FBI knew the Steele dossier was a DNC op, c) Steele's source told the FBI the info was unserious, d) they did not inform the court of any of this and kept spying. 8/x
Trump supporters know the collusion case front and back. They went from worrying the collusion must be real, to suspecting it might be fake, to realizing it was a scam, then watched as every institution - agencies, the press, Congress, academia - gaslit them for another year. 9/x
Worse, collusion was used to scare people away from working in the administration. They knew their entire lives would be investigated. Many quit because they were being bankrupted by legal fees. The DoJ, press, & gov't destroyed lives and actively subverted an elected admin. 10/x
This is where people whose political identity was largely defined by a naive belief in what they learned in Civics class began to see the outline of a Regime that crossed all institutional boundaries. Because it had stepped out of the shadows to unite against an interloper. 11/x
GOP propaganda still has many of them thinking in terms of partisan binaries, but A LOT of Trump supporters see that the Regime is not partisan. They all know that the same institutions would have taken opposite sides if it was a Tulsi Gabbard vs Jeb Bush election. 12/x
It's hard to describe to people on the left (who are used to thinking of gov't as a conspiracy... Watergate, COINTELPRO, WMD, etc) how shocking & disillusioning this was for people who encourage their sons to enlist in the Army, and hate ppl who don't stand for the Anthem. 13/x
They could have managed the shock if it only involved the government. But the behavior of the corporate press is really what radicalized them. They hate journalists more than they hate any politician or gov't official, because they feel most betrayed by them. 14/x
The idea that the press is driven by ratings/sensationalism became untenable. If that were true, they'd be all over the Epstein story. The corporate press is the propaganda arm of the Regime they now see in outline. Nothing anyone says will ever make them unsee that, period. 15/x
This is profoundly disorienting. Many of them don't know for certain whether ballots were faked in November 2020, but they know for absolute certain that the press, the FBI, etc would lie to them if there was. They have every reason to believe that, and it's probably true. 16/x
They watched the press behave like animals for four years. Tens of millions of people will always see Kavanaugh as a gang rapist, based on nothing, because of CNN. And CNN seems proud of that. They led a lynch mob against a high school kid. They cheered on a summer of riots. 17/x
They always claimed the media had liberal bias, fine, whatever. They still thought the press would admit truth if they were cornered. Now they don't. It's a different thing to watch them invent stories whole cloth in order to destroy regular lives and spark mass violence. 18/x
Time Mag told us that during the 2020 riots, there were weekly conference calls involving, among others, leaders of the protests, the local officials who refused to stop them, and media people who framed them for political effect. In Ukraine we call that a color revolution. 19/x
Throughout the summer, Democrat governors took advantage of COVID to change voting procedures. It wasn't just the mail-ins (they lowered signature matching standards, etc). After the collusion scam, the fake impeachment, Trump ppl expected shenanigans by now. 20/x
Re: "fake impeachment", we now know that Trump's request for Ukraine to cooperate w/the DOJ regarding Biden's $ activities in Ukraine was in support of an active investigation being pursued by the FBI and Ukraine AG at the time, and so a completely legitimate request. 21/x
Then you get the Hunter laptop scandal. Big Tech ran a full-on censorship campaign against a major newspaper to protect a political candidate. Period. Everyone knows it, all of the Tech companies now admit it was a "mistake" - but, ya know, the election's over, so who cares? 22/x
Goes w/o saying, but: If the NY Times had Don Jr's laptop, full of pics of him smoking crack and engaging in group sex, lots of lurid family drama, emails describing direct corruption and backed up by the CEO of the company they were using, the NYT wouldn't have been banned. 23/x
Think back: Stories about Trump being pissed on by Russian prostitutes and blackmailed by Putin were promoted as fact, and the only evidence was a document paid for by his opposition and disavowed by its source. The NY Post was banned for reporting on true information. 24/x
The reaction of Trump ppl to all this was not, "no fair!" That's how they felt about Romney's "binders of women" in 2012. This is different. Now they see, correctly, that every institution is captured by ppl who will use any means to exclude them from the political process. 25/x
And yet they showed up in record numbers to vote. He got 13m more votes than in 2016, 10m more than Clinton got! As election night dragged on, they allowed themselves some hope. But when the four critical swing states (and only those states) went dark at midnight, they knew. 26/x
Over the ensuing weeks, they got shuffled around by grifters and media scam artists selling them conspiracy theories. They latched onto one, then another increasingly absurd theory as they tried to put a concrete name on something very real. 27/x
Media & Tech did everything to make things worse. Everything about the election was strange - the changes to procedure, unprecedented mail-in voting, the delays, etc - but rather than admit that and make everything transparent, they banned discussion of it (even in DMs!). 28/x
Everyone knows that, just as Don Jr's laptop would've been the story of the century, if everything about the election dispute was the same, except the parties were reversed, suspicions about the outcome would've been Taken Very Seriously. See 2016 for proof. 29/x
Even the courts' refusal of the case gets nowhere w/them, because of how the opposition embraced mass political violence. They'll say, w/good reason: What judge will stick his neck out for Trump knowing he'll be destroyed in the media as a violent mob burns down his house? 30/x
It's a fact, according to Time Magazine, that mass riots were planned in cities across the country if Trump won. Sure, they were "protests", but they were planned by the same people as during the summer, and everyone knows what it would have meant. Judges have families, too. 31/x
Forget the ballot conspiracies. It's a fact that governors used COVID to unconstitutionally alter election procedures (the Constitution states that only legislatures can do so) to help Biden to make up for a massive enthusiasm gap by gaming the mail-in ballot system. 32/x
They knew it was unconstitutional, it's right there in plain English. But they knew the cases wouldn't see court until after the election. And what judge will toss millions of ballots because a governor broke the rules? The threat of mass riots wasn't implied, it was direct. 33/x
a) The entrenched bureaucracy & security state subverted Trump from Day 1, b) The press is part of the operation, c) Election rules were changed, d) Big Tech censors opposition, e) Political violence is legitimized & encouraged, f) Trump is banned from social media. 34/x
They were led down some rabbit holes, but they are absolutely right that their gov't is monopolized by a Regime that believes they are beneath representation, and will observe no limits to keep them getting it. Trump fans should be happy he lost; it might've kept him alive. /end
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Dipshit..........it isn't about Trump, it is about what they did to Trump....you moron.
Please feel free to debunk any of the facts listed in the Tweet.Just the same old whiny, laundry list of alt-right complaints I've heard for years. None to be lent credence to. I'll boil it straight down for you based on multiple conversations with Trump supporters over the last five years. You supported him and liked him because in places you won't admit exist in you, he was a kindred spirit. Someone who didn't like "different" people as your Silent Generation and Baby Boomer family members didn't. And was vocal enough and smart enough to tap into your perceived grievances and turn them into talking points that served as a rallying cry. Terms like "socialism", "commie", "woke"..etc adnauseaum. Even making it OK to voice your bigotry out loud in public. It was cathartic to his supporters whose anger had been building for decades. But when he proved to be incompetent and blew the response to the virus that so far has killed over 650K people, he was rejected at the polls. He had been telegraphing for months that if he lost, it was because of fraud. And you lemmings lapped it all up. So we got January 6th. Wasn't a huge surprise to most of us. He'd been pumping it up for weeks before.
Sorry, at the end of the day, you ARE the crazy ones. Normally, I would just pass off disagreements over politics or policy as differences of opinion. But the basic core fact that you don't believe the election was legitimate just because the man you thought was going to return your country to you...lost..is a non-starter. YOU are the ones with the binary thinking. YOU are the ones causing the division pimping. Sorry, this kind of ignorance..needs to be stamped out by the people who just want to get on with our lives. Best accomplished by marginalizing you..by any means necessary.
Otherwise your post are meaningless.
No one cares what your "opinion" of the facts are.
Again. Don't need to. Already been done. Example??..The Steele Dossier was started by a REPUBLICAN group as opposition research on Trump. Hillary picked it up but stupidly..didn't use it. Probably should have, huh?
Same old, same old.
Please feel free to debunk any of the facts listed in the Tweet.Just the same old whiny, laundry list of alt-right complaints I've heard for years. None to be lent credence to. I'll boil it straight down for you based on multiple conversations with Trump supporters over the last five years. You supported him and liked him because in places you won't admit exist in you, he was a kindred spirit. Someone who didn't like "different" people as your Silent Generation and Baby Boomer family members didn't. And was vocal enough and smart enough to tap into your perceived grievances and turn them into talking points that served as a rallying cry. Terms like "socialism", "commie", "woke"..etc adnauseaum. Even making it OK to voice your bigotry out loud in public. It was cathartic to his supporters whose anger had been building for decades. But when he proved to be incompetent and blew the response to the virus that so far has killed over 650K people, he was rejected at the polls. He had been telegraphing for months that if he lost, it was because of fraud. And you lemmings lapped it all up. So we got January 6th. Wasn't a huge surprise to most of us. He'd been pumping it up for weeks before.
Sorry, at the end of the day, you ARE the crazy ones. Normally, I would just pass off disagreements over politics or policy as differences of opinion. But the basic core fact that you don't believe the election was legitimate just because the man you thought was going to return your country to you...lost..is a non-starter. YOU are the ones with the binary thinking. YOU are the ones causing the division pimping. Sorry, this kind of ignorance..needs to be stamped out by the people who just want to get on with our lives. Best accomplished by marginalizing you..by any means necessary.
Otherwise your post are meaningless.
No one cares what your "opinion" of the facts are.
Again. Don't need to. Already been done. Example??..The Steele Dossier was started by a REPUBLICAN group as opposition research on Trump. Hillary picked it up but stupidly..didn't use it. Probably should have, huh?
Same old, same old.
Please feel free to debunk any of the facts listed in the Tweet.Just the same old whiny, laundry list of alt-right complaints I've heard for years. None to be lent credence to. I'll boil it straight down for you based on multiple conversations with Trump supporters over the last five years. You supported him and liked him because in places you won't admit exist in you, he was a kindred spirit. Someone who didn't like "different" people as your Silent Generation and Baby Boomer family members didn't. And was vocal enough and smart enough to tap into your perceived grievances and turn them into talking points that served as a rallying cry. Terms like "socialism", "commie", "woke"..etc adnauseaum. Even making it OK to voice your bigotry out loud in public. It was cathartic to his supporters whose anger had been building for decades. But when he proved to be incompetent and blew the response to the virus that so far has killed over 650K people, he was rejected at the polls. He had been telegraphing for months that if he lost, it was because of fraud. And you lemmings lapped it all up. So we got January 6th. Wasn't a huge surprise to most of us. He'd been pumping it up for weeks before.
Sorry, at the end of the day, you ARE the crazy ones. Normally, I would just pass off disagreements over politics or policy as differences of opinion. But the basic core fact that you don't believe the election was legitimate just because the man you thought was going to return your country to you...lost..is a non-starter. YOU are the ones with the binary thinking. YOU are the ones causing the division pimping. Sorry, this kind of ignorance..needs to be stamped out by the people who just want to get on with our lives. Best accomplished by marginalizing you..by any means necessary.
Otherwise your post are meaningless.
No one cares what your "opinion" of the facts are.
Again. Don't need to. Already been done. Example??..The Steele Dossier was started by a REPUBLICAN group as opposition research on Trump. Hillary picked it up but stupidly..didn't use it. Probably should have, huh?
Same old, same old.
No, shithead.....the Republican effort ended long before hilary took over, you lying sack of shit...
Does China pay you to stray into these topics too? Or do they just pay you to lie about the Chinese flu?
Appreciate the example.He's not one of us who are paid by China, and that's straight from party headquarters.Please feel free to debunk any of the facts listed in the Tweet.Just the same old whiny, laundry list of alt-right complaints I've heard for years. None to be lent credence to. I'll boil it straight down for you based on multiple conversations with Trump supporters over the last five years. You supported him and liked him because in places you won't admit exist in you, he was a kindred spirit. Someone who didn't like "different" people as your Silent Generation and Baby Boomer family members didn't. And was vocal enough and smart enough to tap into your perceived grievances and turn them into talking points that served as a rallying cry. Terms like "socialism", "commie", "woke"..etc adnauseaum. Even making it OK to voice your bigotry out loud in public. It was cathartic to his supporters whose anger had been building for decades. But when he proved to be incompetent and blew the response to the virus that so far has killed over 650K people, he was rejected at the polls. He had been telegraphing for months that if he lost, it was because of fraud. And you lemmings lapped it all up. So we got January 6th. Wasn't a huge surprise to most of us. He'd been pumping it up for weeks before.
Sorry, at the end of the day, you ARE the crazy ones. Normally, I would just pass off disagreements over politics or policy as differences of opinion. But the basic core fact that you don't believe the election was legitimate just because the man you thought was going to return your country to you...lost..is a non-starter. YOU are the ones with the binary thinking. YOU are the ones causing the division pimping. Sorry, this kind of ignorance..needs to be stamped out by the people who just want to get on with our lives. Best accomplished by marginalizing you..by any means necessary.
Otherwise your post are meaningless.
No one cares what your "opinion" of the facts are.
Again. Don't need to. Already been done. Example??..The Steele Dossier was started by a REPUBLICAN group as opposition research on Trump. Hillary picked it up but stupidly..didn't use it. Probably should have, huh?
Same old, same old.
No, shithead.....the Republican effort ended long before hilary took over, you lying sack of shit...
Does China pay you to stray into these topics too? Or do they just pay you to lie about the Chinese flu?
No, he didn't. The FISA warrants were issued because Trump was a national security risk. Gonna happen when the people you pal around with are up to their ears in Russian caviar.Please feel free to debunk any of the facts listed in the Tweet.Just the same old whiny, laundry list of alt-right complaints I've heard for years. None to be lent credence to. I'll boil it straight down for you based on multiple conversations with Trump supporters over the last five years. You supported him and liked him because in places you won't admit exist in you, he was a kindred spirit. Someone who didn't like "different" people as your Silent Generation and Baby Boomer family members didn't. And was vocal enough and smart enough to tap into your perceived grievances and turn them into talking points that served as a rallying cry. Terms like "socialism", "commie", "woke"..etc adnauseaum. Even making it OK to voice your bigotry out loud in public. It was cathartic to his supporters whose anger had been building for decades. But when he proved to be incompetent and blew the response to the virus that so far has killed over 650K people, he was rejected at the polls. He had been telegraphing for months that if he lost, it was because of fraud. And you lemmings lapped it all up. So we got January 6th. Wasn't a huge surprise to most of us. He'd been pumping it up for weeks before.
Sorry, at the end of the day, you ARE the crazy ones. Normally, I would just pass off disagreements over politics or policy as differences of opinion. But the basic core fact that you don't believe the election was legitimate just because the man you thought was going to return your country to you...lost..is a non-starter. YOU are the ones with the binary thinking. YOU are the ones causing the division pimping. Sorry, this kind of ignorance..needs to be stamped out by the people who just want to get on with our lives. Best accomplished by marginalizing you..by any means necessary.
Otherwise your post are meaningless.
No one cares what your "opinion" of the facts are.
Again. Don't need to. Already been done. Example??..The Steele Dossier was started by a REPUBLICAN group as opposition research on Trump. Hillary picked it up but stupidly..didn't use it. Probably should have, huh?
Same old, same old.
Hilary gave it to obama.....who then used it to get illegal FISA warrants to spy on Trump...since they couldn't get the warrants any other way....you moron.
Hey moron .....Hey dumbass .....
How does "we all know" square with "facts"? Gad, you guys really are morons.
So, here is the bottom line. No matter how much your orange douche bag pouts and moans, no matter how many such idiotic articles you guys put out - Biden will still be the president and Rump will still be a loser sitting in Florida picking his nose.
Let me know if you guys are still confused.
That fact is referenced out of Brennan's July 2016 memo .....
It's in the quote you posted.
That's how we know it's FACT.
www.cnn.com
No, he didn't. The FISA warrants were issued because Trump was a national security risk. Gonna happen when the people you pal around with are up to their ears in Russian caviar.Please feel free to debunk any of the facts listed in the Tweet.Just the same old whiny, laundry list of alt-right complaints I've heard for years. None to be lent credence to. I'll boil it straight down for you based on multiple conversations with Trump supporters over the last five years. You supported him and liked him because in places you won't admit exist in you, he was a kindred spirit. Someone who didn't like "different" people as your Silent Generation and Baby Boomer family members didn't. And was vocal enough and smart enough to tap into your perceived grievances and turn them into talking points that served as a rallying cry. Terms like "socialism", "commie", "woke"..etc adnauseaum. Even making it OK to voice your bigotry out loud in public. It was cathartic to his supporters whose anger had been building for decades. But when he proved to be incompetent and blew the response to the virus that so far has killed over 650K people, he was rejected at the polls. He had been telegraphing for months that if he lost, it was because of fraud. And you lemmings lapped it all up. So we got January 6th. Wasn't a huge surprise to most of us. He'd been pumping it up for weeks before.
Sorry, at the end of the day, you ARE the crazy ones. Normally, I would just pass off disagreements over politics or policy as differences of opinion. But the basic core fact that you don't believe the election was legitimate just because the man you thought was going to return your country to you...lost..is a non-starter. YOU are the ones with the binary thinking. YOU are the ones causing the division pimping. Sorry, this kind of ignorance..needs to be stamped out by the people who just want to get on with our lives. Best accomplished by marginalizing you..by any means necessary.
Otherwise your post are meaningless.
No one cares what your "opinion" of the facts are.
Again. Don't need to. Already been done. Example??..The Steele Dossier was started by a REPUBLICAN group as opposition research on Trump. Hillary picked it up but stupidly..didn't use it. Probably should have, huh?
Same old, same old.
Hilary gave it to obama.....who then used it to get illegal FISA warrants to spy on Trump...since they couldn't get the warrants any other way....you moron.
Honestly, do have ANYTHING new? Or are you just going to keep playing the greatest hits?
Exactly. Take Obamacare. I was on another site where the right wing-nuts would routinely castigate Obamacare. And then one day, a few let slip that they had actually got Obamacare and were happy with it and yet...they kept on putting Obamacare down as "govt" care when they knew it wasn't.Welcome to the world of politics people, grow up.
What in the world scares these folks so much about universal health care, great public educational opportunities at affordable rates, clean air/land/water, fair treatment of us all within the justice system, working with others across the globe as partners, womens rights and equality, investing in each other, etc. etc. Every one of these sensible positions benefits them as much as it does their hated foes. What the f is wrong with these people?
Hey moron .....Hey dumbass .....
How does "we all know" square with "facts"? Gad, you guys really are morons.
So, here is the bottom line. No matter how much your orange douche bag pouts and moans, no matter how many such idiotic articles you guys put out - Biden will still be the president and Rump will still be a loser sitting in Florida picking his nose.
Let me know if you guys are still confused.
That fact is referenced out of Brennan's July 2016 memo .....
It's in the quote you posted.
That's how we know it's FACT.
Brennan said no such thing. Here the direct quote from Brennan himself:
Former CIA director John Brennan on Tuesday accused current intelligence chief John Ratcliffe of selectively declassifying documents ahead of the November election that benefit President Donald Trump, telling CNN that the decision to release materials gathered by the agency on Russian allegations that Hillary Clinton was planning on "stirring up a scandal" against her Republican rival in 2016 was motivated by politics.
In an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper, Brennan responded to Ratcliffe's recent decision to declassify notes written by the former CIA director in 2016 after he briefed then-President Barack Obama on intelligence related to Russian security service reporting that Clinton approved "a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security service."
"John Ratcliffe is anything but an intelligence professional. It is appalling his selective declassification of information. It is designed to advance the political interests of Donald Trump and Republicans who are aligned with him," Brennan said of the director of national intelligence.
Former CIA director accuses intel chief of selectively declassifying documents to help Trump | CNN Politics
Former CIA director John Brennan on Tuesday accused current intelligence chief John Ratcliffe of selectively declassifying documents ahead of the November election that benefit President Donald Trump, telling CNN that the decision to release materials gathered by the agency on Russian...
So, the "fact" that you retards are basing your allegations on, are anything but.
As usual, let me know if you morons are still confused.
Yeah, Brennan. That guy. The guy in that article (that you posted) that claimed had proven that the Clinton memo was fake.Hey moron .....Hey dumbass .....
How does "we all know" square with "facts"? Gad, you guys really are morons.
So, here is the bottom line. No matter how much your orange douche bag pouts and moans, no matter how many such idiotic articles you guys put out - Biden will still be the president and Rump will still be a loser sitting in Florida picking his nose.
Let me know if you guys are still confused.
That fact is referenced out of Brennan's July 2016 memo .....
It's in the quote you posted.
That's how we know it's FACT.
Brennan said no such thing. Here the direct quote from Brennan himself:
Former CIA director John Brennan on Tuesday accused current intelligence chief John Ratcliffe of selectively declassifying documents ahead of the November election that benefit President Donald Trump, telling CNN that the decision to release materials gathered by the agency on Russian allegations that Hillary Clinton was planning on "stirring up a scandal" against her Republican rival in 2016 was motivated by politics.
In an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper, Brennan responded to Ratcliffe's recent decision to declassify notes written by the former CIA director in 2016 after he briefed then-President Barack Obama on intelligence related to Russian security service reporting that Clinton approved "a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security service."
"John Ratcliffe is anything but an intelligence professional. It is appalling his selective declassification of information. It is designed to advance the political interests of Donald Trump and Republicans who are aligned with him," Brennan said of the director of national intelligence.
Former CIA director accuses intel chief of selectively declassifying documents to help Trump | CNN Politics
Former CIA director John Brennan on Tuesday accused current intelligence chief John Ratcliffe of selectively declassifying documents ahead of the November election that benefit President Donald Trump, telling CNN that the decision to release materials gathered by the agency on Russian...
So, the "fact" that you retards are basing your allegations on, are anything but.
As usual, let me know if you morons are still confused.
Brennan? The guy who voted for a communist and then was allowed into the CIA...who lied under oath about government spying....
Are you this stupid in real life or just when you post?
Yeah, Brennan. That guy. The guy in that article (that you posted) that claimed had proven that the Clinton memo was fake.Hey moron .....Hey dumbass .....
How does "we all know" square with "facts"? Gad, you guys really are morons.
So, here is the bottom line. No matter how much your orange douche bag pouts and moans, no matter how many such idiotic articles you guys put out - Biden will still be the president and Rump will still be a loser sitting in Florida picking his nose.
Let me know if you guys are still confused.
That fact is referenced out of Brennan's July 2016 memo .....
It's in the quote you posted.
That's how we know it's FACT.
Brennan said no such thing. Here the direct quote from Brennan himself:
Former CIA director John Brennan on Tuesday accused current intelligence chief John Ratcliffe of selectively declassifying documents ahead of the November election that benefit President Donald Trump, telling CNN that the decision to release materials gathered by the agency on Russian allegations that Hillary Clinton was planning on "stirring up a scandal" against her Republican rival in 2016 was motivated by politics.
In an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper, Brennan responded to Ratcliffe's recent decision to declassify notes written by the former CIA director in 2016 after he briefed then-President Barack Obama on intelligence related to Russian security service reporting that Clinton approved "a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security service."
"John Ratcliffe is anything but an intelligence professional. It is appalling his selective declassification of information. It is designed to advance the political interests of Donald Trump and Republicans who are aligned with him," Brennan said of the director of national intelligence.
Former CIA director accuses intel chief of selectively declassifying documents to help Trump | CNN Politics
Former CIA director John Brennan on Tuesday accused current intelligence chief John Ratcliffe of selectively declassifying documents ahead of the November election that benefit President Donald Trump, telling CNN that the decision to release materials gathered by the agency on Russian...
So, the "fact" that you retards are basing your allegations on, are anything but.
As usual, let me know if you morons are still confused.
Brennan? The guy who voted for a communist and then was allowed into the CIA...who lied under oath about government spying....
Are you this stupid in real life or just when you post?
Did you even read your own link before you started this thread? Is this the 3rd time or the 4th where you post stuff you don't even read?
And you want to talk about stupidity?
Please feel free to debunk any of the facts listed in the Tweet.Just the same old whiny, laundry list of alt-right complaints I've heard for years. None to be lent credence to. I'll boil it straight down for you based on multiple conversations with Trump supporters over the last five years. You supported him and liked him because in places you won't admit exist in you, he was a kindred spirit. Someone who didn't like "different" people as your Silent Generation and Baby Boomer family members didn't. And was vocal enough and smart enough to tap into your perceived grievances and turn them into talking points that served as a rallying cry. Terms like "socialism", "commie", "woke"..etc adnauseaum. Even making it OK to voice your bigotry out loud in public. It was cathartic to his supporters whose anger had been building for decades. But when he proved to be incompetent and blew the response to the virus that so far has killed over 650K people, he was rejected at the polls. He had been telegraphing for months that if he lost, it was because of fraud. And you lemmings lapped it all up. So we got January 6th. Wasn't a huge surprise to most of us. He'd been pumping it up for weeks before.
Sorry, at the end of the day, you ARE the crazy ones. Normally, I would just pass off disagreements over politics or policy as differences of opinion. But the basic core fact that you don't believe the election was legitimate just because the man you thought was going to return your country to you...lost..is a non-starter. YOU are the ones with the binary thinking. YOU are the ones causing the division pimping. Sorry, this kind of ignorance..needs to be stamped out by the people who just want to get on with our lives. Best accomplished by marginalizing you..by any means necessary.
Otherwise your post are meaningless.
No one cares what your "opinion" of the facts are.
Again. Don't need to. Already been done. Example??..The Steele Dossier was started by a REPUBLICAN group as opposition research on Trump. Hillary picked it up but stupidly..didn't use it. Probably should have, huh?
Same old, same old.
Great article....it explains exactly why Trump supporters and other real Americans feel the way they do about not just the election, but the government and the democrat controlled press.......
Okay, enough summarizing though. Here are parts of the thread. You can read the full exchange here [emphasis mine]:
This whole thread is a great read. Share it with your friends and relatives. Have a debate. See what happens. We’re not the crazy ones. We never have been.I think I've had discussions w/enough Boomer-tier Trump supporters who believe the 2020 election was fraudulent to extract a general theory about their perspective. It is also the perspective of most of the people at the Capitol on 1/6, and probably even Trump himself. 1/x
Most believe some or all of the theories involving midnight ballots, voting machines, etc, but what you find when you talk to them is that, while they'll defend those positions w/info they got from Hannity or Breitbart or whatever, they're not particularly attached to them. 2/x
Here are the facts - actual, confirmed facts - that shape their perspective: 1) The FBI/etc spied on the 2016 Trump campaign using evidence manufactured by the Clinton campaign. We now know that all involved knew it was fake from Day 1 (see: Brennan's July 2016 memo, etc). 3/x
These are Tea Party people. The types who give their kids a pocket Constitution for their birthday and have Founding Fathers memes in their bios. The intel community spying on a presidential campaign using fake evidence (incl forged documents) is a big deal to them.
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At first, many Trump ppl were worried there must be some collusion, because every media & intel agency wouldn't make it up out of nothing. When it was clear that they had made it up, people expected a reckoning, and shed many illusions about their gov't when it didn't happen. 7/x
We know as fact: a) The Steele dossier was the sole evidence used to justify spying on the Trump campaign, b) The FBI knew the Steele dossier was a DNC op, c) Steele's source told the FBI the info was unserious, d) they did not inform the court of any of this and kept spying. 8/x
Trump supporters know the collusion case front and back. They went from worrying the collusion must be real, to suspecting it might be fake, to realizing it was a scam, then watched as every institution - agencies, the press, Congress, academia - gaslit them for another year. 9/x
Worse, collusion was used to scare people away from working in the administration. They knew their entire lives would be investigated. Many quit because they were being bankrupted by legal fees. The DoJ, press, & gov't destroyed lives and actively subverted an elected admin.
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It's hard to describe to people on the left (who are used to thinking of gov't as a conspiracy... Watergate, COINTELPRO, WMD, etc) how shocking & disillusioning this was for people who encourage their sons to enlist in the Army, and hate ppl who don't stand for the Anthem. 13/x
They could have managed the shock if it only involved the government. But the behavior of the corporate press is really what radicalized them. They hate journalists more than they hate any politician or gov't official, because they feel most betrayed by them. 14/x
The idea that the press is driven by ratings/sensationalism became untenable. If that were true, they'd be all over the Epstein story. The corporate press is the propaganda arm of the Regime they now see in outline. Nothing anyone says will ever make them unsee that, period. 15/x
This is profoundly disorienting. Many of them don't know for certain whether ballots were faked in November 2020, but they know for absolute certain that the press, the FBI, etc would lie to them if there was. They have every reason to believe that, and it's probably true.
They watched the press behave like animals for four years. Tens of millions of people will always see Kavanaugh as a gang rapist, based on nothing, because of CNN. And CNN seems proud of that. They led a lynch mob against a high school kid. They cheered on a summer of riots.
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Then you get the Hunter laptop scandal. Big Tech ran a full-on censorship campaign against a major newspaper to protect a political candidate. Period. Everyone knows it, all of the Tech companies now admit it was a "mistake" - but, ya know, the election's over, so who cares? 22/x
Goes w/o saying, but: If the NY Times had Don Jr's laptop, full of pics of him smoking crack and engaging in group sex, lots of lurid family drama, emails describing direct corruption and backed up by the CEO of the company they were using, the NYT wouldn't have been banned. 23/x
Think back: Stories about Trump being pissed on by Russian prostitutes and blackmailed by Putin were promoted as fact, and the only evidence was a document paid for by his opposition and disavowed by its source. The NY Post was banned for reporting on true information. 24/x
The reaction of Trump ppl to all this was not, "no fair!" That's how they felt about Romney's "binders of women" in 2012. This is different. Now they see, correctly, that every institution is captured by ppl who will use any means to exclude them from the political process.
[URL unfurl="true"]Twitter Thread Nails Why Trump Supporters Feel the Way They Do About the 2020 Election[/URL]
the source article.....
Most believe some or all of the theories involving midnight ballots, voting machines, etc, but what you find when you talk to them is that, while they'll defend those positions w/info they got from Hannity or Breitbart or whatever, they're not particularly attached to them. 2/x
Here are the facts - actual, confirmed facts - that shape their perspective: 1) The FBI/etc spied on the 2016 Trump campaign using evidence manufactured by the Clinton campaign. We now know that all involved knew it was fake from Day 1 (see: Brennan's July 2016 memo, etc). 3/x
These are Tea Party people. The types who give their kids a pocket Constitution for their birthday and have Founding Fathers memes in their bios. The intel community spying on a presidential campaign using fake evidence (incl forged documents) is a big deal to them. 4/x
Everyone involved lied about their involvement as long as they could. We only learned the DNC paid for the manufactured evidence because of a court order. Comey denied on TV knowing the DNC paid for it, when we have emails from a year earlier proving that he knew. 5/x
This was true with everyone, from CIA Dir Brennan & Adam Schiff - who were on TV saying they'd seen clear evidence of collusion w/Russia, while admitting under oath behind closed doors that they hadn't - all the way down the line. In the end we learned that it was ALL fake. 6/x
At first, many Trump ppl were worried there must be some collusion, because every media & intel agency wouldn't make it up out of nothing. When it was clear that they had made it up, people expected a reckoning, and shed many illusions about their gov't when it didn't happen. 7/x
We know as fact: a) The Steele dossier was the sole evidence used to justify spying on the Trump campaign, b) The FBI knew the Steele dossier was a DNC op, c) Steele's source told the FBI the info was unserious, d) they did not inform the court of any of this and kept spying. 8/x
Trump supporters know the collusion case front and back. They went from worrying the collusion must be real, to suspecting it might be fake, to realizing it was a scam, then watched as every institution - agencies, the press, Congress, academia - gaslit them for another year. 9/x
Worse, collusion was used to scare people away from working in the administration. They knew their entire lives would be investigated. Many quit because they were being bankrupted by legal fees. The DoJ, press, & gov't destroyed lives and actively subverted an elected admin. 10/x
This is where people whose political identity was largely defined by a naive belief in what they learned in Civics class began to see the outline of a Regime that crossed all institutional boundaries. Because it had stepped out of the shadows to unite against an interloper. 11/x
GOP propaganda still has many of them thinking in terms of partisan binaries, but A LOT of Trump supporters see that the Regime is not partisan. They all know that the same institutions would have taken opposite sides if it was a Tulsi Gabbard vs Jeb Bush election. 12/x
It's hard to describe to people on the left (who are used to thinking of gov't as a conspiracy... Watergate, COINTELPRO, WMD, etc) how shocking & disillusioning this was for people who encourage their sons to enlist in the Army, and hate ppl who don't stand for the Anthem. 13/x
They could have managed the shock if it only involved the government. But the behavior of the corporate press is really what radicalized them. They hate journalists more than they hate any politician or gov't official, because they feel most betrayed by them. 14/x
The idea that the press is driven by ratings/sensationalism became untenable. If that were true, they'd be all over the Epstein story. The corporate press is the propaganda arm of the Regime they now see in outline. Nothing anyone says will ever make them unsee that, period. 15/x
This is profoundly disorienting. Many of them don't know for certain whether ballots were faked in November 2020, but they know for absolute certain that the press, the FBI, etc would lie to them if there was. They have every reason to believe that, and it's probably true. 16/x
They watched the press behave like animals for four years. Tens of millions of people will always see Kavanaugh as a gang rapist, based on nothing, because of CNN. And CNN seems proud of that. They led a lynch mob against a high school kid. They cheered on a summer of riots. 17/x
They always claimed the media had liberal bias, fine, whatever. They still thought the press would admit truth if they were cornered. Now they don't. It's a different thing to watch them invent stories whole cloth in order to destroy regular lives and spark mass violence. 18/x
Time Mag told us that during the 2020 riots, there were weekly conference calls involving, among others, leaders of the protests, the local officials who refused to stop them, and media people who framed them for political effect. In Ukraine we call that a color revolution. 19/x
Throughout the summer, Democrat governors took advantage of COVID to change voting procedures. It wasn't just the mail-ins (they lowered signature matching standards, etc). After the collusion scam, the fake impeachment, Trump ppl expected shenanigans by now. 20/x
Re: "fake impeachment", we now know that Trump's request for Ukraine to cooperate w/the DOJ regarding Biden's $ activities in Ukraine was in support of an active investigation being pursued by the FBI and Ukraine AG at the time, and so a completely legitimate request. 21/x
Then you get the Hunter laptop scandal. Big Tech ran a full-on censorship campaign against a major newspaper to protect a political candidate. Period. Everyone knows it, all of the Tech companies now admit it was a "mistake" - but, ya know, the election's over, so who cares? 22/x
Goes w/o saying, but: If the NY Times had Don Jr's laptop, full of pics of him smoking crack and engaging in group sex, lots of lurid family drama, emails describing direct corruption and backed up by the CEO of the company they were using, the NYT wouldn't have been banned. 23/x
Think back: Stories about Trump being pissed on by Russian prostitutes and blackmailed by Putin were promoted as fact, and the only evidence was a document paid for by his opposition and disavowed by its source. The NY Post was banned for reporting on true information. 24/x
The reaction of Trump ppl to all this was not, "no fair!" That's how they felt about Romney's "binders of women" in 2012. This is different. Now they see, correctly, that every institution is captured by ppl who will use any means to exclude them from the political process. 25/x
And yet they showed up in record numbers to vote. He got 13m more votes than in 2016, 10m more than Clinton got! As election night dragged on, they allowed themselves some hope. But when the four critical swing states (and only those states) went dark at midnight, they knew. 26/x
Over the ensuing weeks, they got shuffled around by grifters and media scam artists selling them conspiracy theories. They latched onto one, then another increasingly absurd theory as they tried to put a concrete name on something very real. 27/x
Media & Tech did everything to make things worse. Everything about the election was strange - the changes to procedure, unprecedented mail-in voting, the delays, etc - but rather than admit that and make everything transparent, they banned discussion of it (even in DMs!). 28/x
Everyone knows that, just as Don Jr's laptop would've been the story of the century, if everything about the election dispute was the same, except the parties were reversed, suspicions about the outcome would've been Taken Very Seriously. See 2016 for proof. 29/x
Even the courts' refusal of the case gets nowhere w/them, because of how the opposition embraced mass political violence. They'll say, w/good reason: What judge will stick his neck out for Trump knowing he'll be destroyed in the media as a violent mob burns down his house? 30/x
It's a fact, according to Time Magazine, that mass riots were planned in cities across the country if Trump won. Sure, they were "protests", but they were planned by the same people as during the summer, and everyone knows what it would have meant. Judges have families, too. 31/x
Forget the ballot conspiracies. It's a fact that governors used COVID to unconstitutionally alter election procedures (the Constitution states that only legislatures can do so) to help Biden to make up for a massive enthusiasm gap by gaming the mail-in ballot system. 32/x
They knew it was unconstitutional, it's right there in plain English. But they knew the cases wouldn't see court until after the election. And what judge will toss millions of ballots because a governor broke the rules? The threat of mass riots wasn't implied, it was direct. 33/x
a) The entrenched bureaucracy & security state subverted Trump from Day 1, b) The press is part of the operation, c) Election rules were changed, d) Big Tech censors opposition, e) Political violence is legitimized & encouraged, f) Trump is banned from social media. 34/x
They were led down some rabbit holes, but they are absolutely right that their gov't is monopolized by a Regime that believes they are beneath representation, and will observe no limits to keep them getting it. Trump fans should be happy he lost; it might've kept him alive. /end
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@martyrmade: I think I've had discussions w/enough Boomer-tier Trump supporters who believe the 2020 election was fraudulent to extract a general theory about their perspective. It is also the perspective of most of...…
Well then Moonbat you could always try the post something meaningful approach.because what with you being the ultimate dumbass you be used to it. If you have anything but insults please add them to the subject matter. If the heat is too much I suggest you and Trump skedaddle to yer emporium of presstitutes of pandering to a scam.LOL ....Welcome to the world of politics people, grow up.
Another total meaningless dumbass response ..
Why am I not surprised.
