The Trump peace plan is doomed to fail

[Man With A Plan]

Why are you indifferent to the tens of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza and on the West Bank that have been murdered, maimed, incarcerated, and displaced by Israeli Jews since 1967?

Maybe you can explain why Israeli Jews are entitled to steal Arab land and murder any victims who complain without being labelled greedy, genocidal racists?

When nations attack another nation...trying to wipe them out (and that's EXACTLY what four Arab armies attempted to do!) and lose the conflict it's not unusual for the victor in such a conflict to claim things like territory. If you go back and look at history...it's almost a given that will be the case! In Israel's multiple wars with neighboring Arab nations they've had to win...or they would literally have been wiped off the face of the earth. It isn't "stealing" land when you win it in a war!

How do you feel about the tens of thousands of Jews that have been murdered, maimed and displaced by Arabs?

 

[Man With A Plan]

When the sovereign nation is populated by racist psychopaths intent on ethnic cleansing (and worse), international law give the victims of such illegal occupation the right to resist violently.

Care to explain by Israeli Jews are allowed to steal Arab land while WHINING about never again?

I find it rather amusing that you think Israel has been "intent on ethnic cleansing" in Gaza, Georgie! Did you want to take a crack at explaining why the population of Gaza absolutely exploded while Israel has been "occupying" it? Duh?

 

[Couchpotato]

Why?

Because Israel was not allowed to kill every Hamas terrorist in Gaza

We let the roots of Hamas live and like a weed it will grow back again

There are likely more Hamas supporters in Gaza now than before the war.

 

[Man With A Plan]

There are likely more Hamas supporters in Gaza now than before the war.

Have you seen Gaza? You think the average Gazan likes what HAMAS has done to their home? That place is FUBARED and it's because of what HAMAS did!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That's what you do to traitors.


You spelled "Quisling" wrong.

The Zionists just murdered upwards of 60,000 Palestinians. They've created a whole new generation of terrorists.

Ralph Nader said the number is 500,000

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Ralph Nader said the number is 500,000

What number?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What number?

Number of people killed in Gaza, where 50% the population is under 18

 

[Couchpotato]

Have you seen Gaza? You think the average Gazan likes what HAMAS has done to their home? That place is FUBARED and it's because of what HAMAS did!

LMAO that you think they blame Hamas and not Israel. The IDF is dropping bombs not Hamas.

Is AQ bigger or smalller since we started the terror war?

 

[Mac-7]

Israel controlled six of seven land borders with Gaza on October 7, 2023 along with all of Gaza's coastal waters, airspace, and population registry. Israel also controlled the amount of food and water and internet Gazans receive. Under international law, Israel was and still is the occupying power of Gaza and the West Bank.

Thats not the same as occupying the interior of Gaza

The only thing Israel forbid the Pals was weapons of war

Food, medical or any other basic human need was available

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Number of people killed in Gaza, where 50% the population is under 18

Nader wouldn't know his own name if somebody didn't read it off his underwear.

 

[Mac-7]

There are likely more Hamas supporters in Gaza now than before the war.

Maybe

But most of them are dead, united with their 72 virgins by the IDF

 

[georgephillip]

When nations attack another nation...trying to wipe them out (and that's EXACTLY what four Arab armies attempted to do!) and lose the conflict it's not unusual for the victor in such a conflict to claim things like territory.

Which has what, exactly, to do with the tens of thousands of Palestinians that Israel has maimed, murdered, incarcerated, and displaced since 1967?

Those five Arab armies took defensive positions in 1948 that forced Israeli terrorists to wait another 19 years before stealing the remaining 22% of Mandate Palestine.

 

[georgephillip]

Thats not the same as occupying the interior of Gaza

The only thing Israel forbid the Pals was weapons of war

Food, medical or any other basic human need was available

When you control who enters and who leaves Gaza, you are occupying the territory; food and medicine and other basic human needs were also tightly controlled by Israel.

 

[whitehall]

More wishful thinking on the TDS left. By the way, Harry Truman's Korea "peace" program was an abject failure. We ended up where we started after three years and the loss of 50,000 Troops and we are still technically at war.

 

[beagle9]

When the sovereign nation is populated by racist psychopaths intent on ethnic cleansing (and worse), international law give the victims of such illegal occupation the right to resist violently.

Care to explain by Israeli Jews are allowed to steal Arab land while WHINING about never again?

So you are saying that the Israelis are dealing with racist psychopaths/lunatics intent on using an ethnic cleansing of the Jews (and worse?), otherwise who are actually those group's being found in these lands that Israel is having to contend with on a daily bases now it seems ???

Yes you are....

 

[beagle9]

Have you seen Gaza? You think the average Gazan likes what HAMAS has done to their home? That place is FUBARED and it's because of what HAMAS did!

So Hamas lost the war, but if the cease fire holds it will signal that Hamas got away with it if they are left intact.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Which has what, exactly, to do with the tens of thousands of Palestinians that Israel has maimed, murdered, incarcerated, and displaced since 1967?

Those five Arab armies took defensive positions in 1948 that forced Israeli terrorists to wait another 19 years before stealing the remaining 22% of Mandate Palestine.

Who told you that the Arab armies took "defensive positions" in 1948, Georgie?

 

[Man With A Plan]

Which has what, exactly, to do with the tens of thousands of Palestinians that Israel has maimed, murdered, incarcerated, and displaced since 1967?

Those five Arab armies took defensive positions in 1948 that forced Israeli terrorists to wait another 19 years before stealing the remaining 22% of Mandate Palestine.

I notice that you avoided trying to explain how the population of Gaza grew by leaps and bounds at the time that you claim Israel was conducting ethnic cleansing, Georgie! Let me guess...you actually looked at the numbers and realized how ridiculous that claim was?

 

[georgephillip]

I notice that you avoided trying to explain how the population of Gaza grew by leaps and bounds at the time that you claim Israel was conducting ethnic cleansing, Georgie! Let me guess...you actually looked at the numbers and realized how ridiculous that claim was?

Exactly how much did the population of Gaza grow between 1967 and 2023?

Ethnic cleansing refers to stealing land and murdering or expelling the indigenous population, so the question rational people should be asking is how much land have greedy, Israeli Jews stolen in Palestine since 1948?

"Short answer: there isn’t a single, agreed figure. It depends on what you include (only private, registered plots? communal/tribal lands? East Jerusalem? West Bank 'state land' declarations since 1967?). Here’s the best evidence-based range:

ChatGPT:

• "#1 — Inside Israel (within the 1949 armistice lines): Israeli authorities took control of a very large share of Palestinian-owned land via the 1950 Absentees’ Property Law and related statutes. Human Rights Watch summarizes historians’ findings as at least ~4.5 million dunams (≈4,500 km²) seized from Palestinians, amounting to 65–75% of land Palestinians owned before 1948 (and 40–60% of land owned by those who remained citizens). Human Rights Watch
  Academic and UN records compiled by the UN Conciliation Commission for Palestine (UNCCP) show higher totals if you also count large, sparsely registered Bedouin/tribal lands in the Negev: UN estimates range from ~7 million up to ~16.3 million dunams of 'abandoned Palestinian property.' These are bigger because they include communal holdings and broader categories than just titled, cultivated plots."
  

 

[georgephillip]

Who told you that the Arab armies took "defensive positions" in 1948, Georgie?

Among others, ChatGPT: "What evidence is there the five Arab armies who invaded Palestine in 1948 took defensive positions preventing the Jews from stealing all of Mandate Palestine?"

"Excellent question — and it gets right to the heart of how the 1948 Arab–Israeli War has been framed. While Israeli and many Western narratives long described the war as an “Arab invasion to destroy Israel,” a substantial body of historical evidence — including Israeli archives and contemporary UN and British sources — shows that most Arab armies adopted defensive, limited objectives largely aimed at preventing the new Jewish state from seizing all of Mandate Palestine, not at destroying it.


"Here’s the evidence, by category and army..."

What makes you "think" Israeli Jews are entitled to steal Arab land and murder or displace any victims who protest?