CDZ The Trump-Hitler Comparison -- Just looking at it...

[320 Years of History]

Nevermind the written and spoken remarks that hint at there being some sort of sympathizing with such groups, in spite of Mr. Trump's attestations to the contrary for we have ample examples of his "now" saying one thing and later the complete opposite.

The Trump-Hitler comparisons, even just optically, are hard to ignore when considered together. At some point, one must start to realize there's just not rational to expect, lo demand, as much willing suspension of disbelief as does Mr. Trump.

I'm sure they were all just waving, "Hi, there, buddy. How're you doing."

The British Royal Family certainly wave at people....

...the thing is, I didn't immediately come across any photos of their subjects waving back, particularly not in modern times, but not even frequently in the mid-twentieth century.

But as you can see, Welsch children did, a long time ago, wave back to Queen and her consort.

I also found pics of subjects waving at the monarchs, but the monarchs weren't waving at the subjects.

Now you tell me, how is it very media savvy Donald Trump -- whatever one thinks of Mr. Trump, there's no disagreement on that -- managed to miss the optics of having a crowd of "Trumpeteers" pose as shown in the first photos above? Especially right on the heels of his KKK/David Duke/white supremacists/racist gaffe?

He's asking a lot -- as if asking for us to vote for him isn't already asking a lot -- for us to not presume that waving stunt wasn't a subtle nod to white supremacists (take your pick...Neonazis, the KKK, some other group...). Indeed, the subtlety of racism and its expressions these days is a major part of why so many of its presumed objects express incredulity about the extent of its demise in American society.

What could Mr. Trump have been thinking when he orchestrated that wave/salute thing? "Well, I'll get them to raise their hands, but I won't pass out armbands....that'll be enough for me to have plausible deniability."?

...My endeavours should be directed to persons and characters supernatural, or at least romantic, yet so as to transfer from our inward nature a human interest and a semblance of truth sufficient to procure for these shadows of imagination that willing suspension of disbelief...
-- Samuel Taylor Coleridge​

 

[Fueri]

"He's asking a lot -- as if asking for us to vote for him isn't already asking a lot -- for us to not presume that waving stunt wasn't a subtle nod to white supremacists"


A wave does not a white supremacist make.

Trump is a lot of things, but a white supremacist is waaay down the list, if it's even a valid accusation at all....

And a properly timed photo can be as misleading as a quote taken out of context.

By the logic that anyone that holds their hand up is a white supremacist, here's another white supremacist.

And a whole crowd full of them. Check out the Pantsuit Fuhrer. She's giving the salute!

Here's another. Look at all the white supremacists! Pantsuit Fuhrer is at it again also!

People at concerts and rallies put their hands in the air. People on stage wave at them. Supposing this makes them a white supremacist is a stretch-a-roo.....

 

[Jeddahite]

Trumpler.....

 

[TNHarley]

Waving is hitler like? Jesus christ

 

[Jeddahite]

Waving is hitler like? Jesus christ

No, not like Jesus Christ. We don't know if He ever waved, or not.

 

[TNHarley]

Waving is hitler like? Jesus christ

No, not like Jesus Christ. We don't know if He ever waved, or not.

LOL

 

[Fueri]

Waving is hitler like? Jesus christ

No, not like Jesus Christ. We don't know if He ever waved, or not.

True, but the Pope is a waver

 

[TNHarley]

Waving is hitler like? Jesus christ

No, not like Jesus Christ. We don't know if He ever waved, or not.

True, but the Pope is a waver

HITLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Fueri]

uh oh....

 

[TNHarley]

Hitler Hitler HITLER

 

[TNHarley]

uh oh....

I am imagining the line of dead jews behind him!

 

[Fueri]

uh oh....

I am imagining the line of dead jews behind him!

Was Jesus the first anti-Christ?




Discuss....

 

[320 Years of History]

"He's asking a lot -- as if asking for us to vote for him isn't already asking a lot -- for us to not presume that waving stunt wasn't a subtle nod to white supremacists"


A wave does not a white supremacist make.

Trump is a lot of things, but a white supremacist is waaay down the list, if it's even a valid accusation at all....

And a properly timed photo can be as misleading as a quote taken out of context.

By the logic that anyone that holds their hand up is a white supremacist, here's another white supremacist.

And a whole crowd full of them. Check out the Pantsuit Fuhrer. She's giving the salute!

Here's another. Look at all the white supremacists! Pantsuit Fuhrer is at it again also!

People at concerts and rallies put their hands in the air. People on stage wave at them. Supposing this makes them a white supremacist is a stretch-a-roo.....

You tell me....has the crowd leader in your photos made (or failed to make) remarks that call into question their stance on racism or white supremacism? If not, there's no basis for thinking any form of subtle sympathizing with racists is in play. If so, perhaps.


Michael Jackson:
The man was black. I think it's safe to say he wasn't a white supremacist, if only because even if he felt that way, what white supremacist group would have him? I suppose he could have been a black racist (against non-blacks), but if I accept that, I have to then ask is there any additional indication that might have been so and what ability would he have had to express his racism, and to what degree might he have done so, such as refusing to associate with, hire, express kindness toward, etc. non-blacks. I don't know that he behaved that way; infact I'm fairly certain he did not behave that way.


Other:

Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous.
― Laura Pedersen, Best Bet​

I'm not saying that everyone who waves is a racist. I'm saying that Mr. Trump has has of late a spate of incidents that call his -- not everyone else's, not anyone else's -- most recently stated position on racism, and the sincerity of that position, into question. The optics of the wave are just one more illustration that questioning the sincerity of his stance on racism may not be as preposterous as it seemed to be prior to the "wave stunt."

Nobody held Mr. Trump at gunpoint making him orchestrate that wave thing. He did that willfully and all on his own. As I said, he had to know what that would look like, and he definitely knew it'd be photographed, and he is well aware of the recent comparisons -- Glen Beck among the folks who've drawn the parallels -- between himself and Hitler, and he has to know that his supporters, including David Duke and his crowd, were likely to see the imagery of that group wave he led.

Could it be that it's all just serendipity and coincidence? It could be that, but what to folks in the intelligence world say?

The probability of a certain set of circumstances coming together in a meaningful (or tragic) way is so low that it simply cannot be considered mere coincidence.
― V.C. King
​

 

[320 Years of History]

uh oh....

I am imagining the line of dead jews behind him!

I have to admit I laughed at your remark.


Well, I think all of the 12 Apostles were martyrs, and while they did follow Jesus, thus making them Christians too (at least linguistically speaking, for Christian means "follower of Jesus"), they also considered themselves to be Jews. Moreover, their mothers were Jewish, so they certainly were as well, and their contemporaries saw them as such. Jesus too was a Jew.

One might argue that the reason there wasn't at least one Apostle who followed Jesus immediately to death is because he, Peter, denied knowing him. (I don't recall there being an account of what the other Apostles did/said re: denying Jesus. Peter's three denials are the ones I remember.)

 

[Fueri]

"He's asking a lot -- as if asking for us to vote for him isn't already asking a lot -- for us to not presume that waving stunt wasn't a subtle nod to white supremacists"


A wave does not a white supremacist make.

Trump is a lot of things, but a white supremacist is waaay down the list, if it's even a valid accusation at all....

And a properly timed photo can be as misleading as a quote taken out of context.

By the logic that anyone that holds their hand up is a white supremacist, here's another white supremacist.

And a whole crowd full of them. Check out the Pantsuit Fuhrer. She's giving the salute!

Here's another. Look at all the white supremacists! Pantsuit Fuhrer is at it again also!

People at concerts and rallies put their hands in the air. People on stage wave at them. Supposing this makes them a white supremacist is a stretch-a-roo.....

You tell me....has the crowd leader in your photos made (or failed to make) remarks that call into question their stance on racism or white supremacism? If not, there's no basis for thinking any form of subtle sympathizing with racists is in play. If so, perhaps.


Michael Jackson:
The man was black. I think it's safe to say he wasn't a white supremacist, if only because even if he felt that way, what white supremacist group would have him? I suppose he could have been a black racist (against non-blacks), but if I accept that, I have to then ask is there any additional indication that might have been so and what ability would he have had to express his racism, and to what degree might he have done so, such as refusing to associate with, hire, express kindness toward, etc. non-blacks. I don't know that he behaved that way; infact I'm fairly certain he did not behave that way.


Other:

Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous.
― Laura Pedersen, Best Bet​

I'm not saying that everyone who waves is a racist. I'm saying that Mr. Trump has has of late a spate of incidents that call his -- not everyone else's, not anyone else's -- most recently stated position on racism, and the sincerity of that position, into question. The optics of the wave are just one more illustration that questioning the sincerity of his stance on racism may not be as preposterous as it seemed to be prior to the "wave stunt."

Nobody held Mr. Trump at gunpoint making him orchestrate that wave thing. He did that willfully and all on his own. As I said, he had to know what that would look like, and he definitely knew it'd be photographed, and he is well aware of the recent comparisons -- Glen Beck among the folks who've drawn the parallels -- between himself and Hitler, and he has to know that his supporters, including David Duke and his crowd, were likely to see the imagery of that group wave he led.

Could it be that it's all just serendipity and coincidence? It could be that, but what to folks in the intelligence world say?

The probability of a certain set of circumstances coming together in a meaningful (or tragic) way is so low that it simply cannot be considered mere coincidence.
― V.C. King
​

So an inference leads to another inference that a wave, and waves from people in the crowd is a staged white supremacist display.

Now, when this guy or crowds at his rallies do exactly what people of all stripes at other similar venues do, it's a nazi salute.

The conclusion that this is some white supremacist display is specious, IMO.

 

[couch protester]

Trump doesn't mind being compared to Hitler, this just makes his image looks tougher as a viable sensationalist candidate. Trump philosophy is that, it's better to be feared than loved.

 

[320 Years of History]

"He's asking a lot -- as if asking for us to vote for him isn't already asking a lot -- for us to not presume that waving stunt wasn't a subtle nod to white supremacists"


A wave does not a white supremacist make.

Trump is a lot of things, but a white supremacist is waaay down the list, if it's even a valid accusation at all....

And a properly timed photo can be as misleading as a quote taken out of context.

By the logic that anyone that holds their hand up is a white supremacist, here's another white supremacist.

And a whole crowd full of them. Check out the Pantsuit Fuhrer. She's giving the salute!

Here's another. Look at all the white supremacists! Pantsuit Fuhrer is at it again also!

People at concerts and rallies put their hands in the air. People on stage wave at them. Supposing this makes them a white supremacist is a stretch-a-roo.....

You tell me....has the crowd leader in your photos made (or failed to make) remarks that call into question their stance on racism or white supremacism? If not, there's no basis for thinking any form of subtle sympathizing with racists is in play. If so, perhaps.


Michael Jackson:
The man was black. I think it's safe to say he wasn't a white supremacist, if only because even if he felt that way, what white supremacist group would have him? I suppose he could have been a black racist (against non-blacks), but if I accept that, I have to then ask is there any additional indication that might have been so and what ability would he have had to express his racism, and to what degree might he have done so, such as refusing to associate with, hire, express kindness toward, etc. non-blacks. I don't know that he behaved that way; infact I'm fairly certain he did not behave that way.


Other:

Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous.
― Laura Pedersen, Best Bet​

I'm not saying that everyone who waves is a racist. I'm saying that Mr. Trump has has of late a spate of incidents that call his -- not everyone else's, not anyone else's -- most recently stated position on racism, and the sincerity of that position, into question. The optics of the wave are just one more illustration that questioning the sincerity of his stance on racism may not be as preposterous as it seemed to be prior to the "wave stunt."

Nobody held Mr. Trump at gunpoint making him orchestrate that wave thing. He did that willfully and all on his own. As I said, he had to know what that would look like, and he definitely knew it'd be photographed, and he is well aware of the recent comparisons -- Glen Beck among the folks who've drawn the parallels -- between himself and Hitler, and he has to know that his supporters, including David Duke and his crowd, were likely to see the imagery of that group wave he led.

Could it be that it's all just serendipity and coincidence? It could be that, but what to folks in the intelligence world say?

The probability of a certain set of circumstances coming together in a meaningful (or tragic) way is so low that it simply cannot be considered mere coincidence.
― V.C. King
​

So an inference leads to another inference that a wave, and waves from people in the crowd is a staged white supremacist display.

Now, when this guy or crowds at his rallies do exactly what people of all stripes at other similar venues do, it's a nazi salute.

The conclusion that this is some white supremacist display is specious, IMO.

Red:
Did you just hit "Reply" and start typing, or did you actually read my last post that you quoted?

 

[Fueri]

"He's asking a lot -- as if asking for us to vote for him isn't already asking a lot -- for us to not presume that waving stunt wasn't a subtle nod to white supremacists"


A wave does not a white supremacist make.

Trump is a lot of things, but a white supremacist is waaay down the list, if it's even a valid accusation at all....

And a properly timed photo can be as misleading as a quote taken out of context.

By the logic that anyone that holds their hand up is a white supremacist, here's another white supremacist.

And a whole crowd full of them. Check out the Pantsuit Fuhrer. She's giving the salute!

Here's another. Look at all the white supremacists! Pantsuit Fuhrer is at it again also!

People at concerts and rallies put their hands in the air. People on stage wave at them. Supposing this makes them a white supremacist is a stretch-a-roo.....

You tell me....has the crowd leader in your photos made (or failed to make) remarks that call into question their stance on racism or white supremacism? If not, there's no basis for thinking any form of subtle sympathizing with racists is in play. If so, perhaps.


Michael Jackson:
The man was black. I think it's safe to say he wasn't a white supremacist, if only because even if he felt that way, what white supremacist group would have him? I suppose he could have been a black racist (against non-blacks), but if I accept that, I have to then ask is there any additional indication that might have been so and what ability would he have had to express his racism, and to what degree might he have done so, such as refusing to associate with, hire, express kindness toward, etc. non-blacks. I don't know that he behaved that way; infact I'm fairly certain he did not behave that way.


Other:

Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous.
― Laura Pedersen, Best Bet​

I'm not saying that everyone who waves is a racist. I'm saying that Mr. Trump has has of late a spate of incidents that call his -- not everyone else's, not anyone else's -- most recently stated position on racism, and the sincerity of that position, into question. The optics of the wave are just one more illustration that questioning the sincerity of his stance on racism may not be as preposterous as it seemed to be prior to the "wave stunt."

Nobody held Mr. Trump at gunpoint making him orchestrate that wave thing. He did that willfully and all on his own. As I said, he had to know what that would look like, and he definitely knew it'd be photographed, and he is well aware of the recent comparisons -- Glen Beck among the folks who've drawn the parallels -- between himself and Hitler, and he has to know that his supporters, including David Duke and his crowd, were likely to see the imagery of that group wave he led.

Could it be that it's all just serendipity and coincidence? It could be that, but what to folks in the intelligence world say?

The probability of a certain set of circumstances coming together in a meaningful (or tragic) way is so low that it simply cannot be considered mere coincidence.
― V.C. King
​

So an inference leads to another inference that a wave, and waves from people in the crowd is a staged white supremacist display.

Now, when this guy or crowds at his rallies do exactly what people of all stripes at other similar venues do, it's a nazi salute.

The conclusion that this is some white supremacist display is specious, IMO.

Red:
Did you just hit "Reply" and start typing, or did you actually read my last post that you quoted?

I read it. Your justification for painting Trump and the people in his crowds as anything other than doing what normal people do at these events is the second supposition I referred to, which was based on the first.

Assuming trump is a racist and then using that assumption to think that those in his crowds or he is/are orchestrating some white supremacist code wave is supposition stacked upon supposition.

Hence, specious, IMO.

 

[320 Years of History]

"He's asking a lot -- as if asking for us to vote for him isn't already asking a lot -- for us to not presume that waving stunt wasn't a subtle nod to white supremacists"


A wave does not a white supremacist make.

Trump is a lot of things, but a white supremacist is waaay down the list, if it's even a valid accusation at all....

And a properly timed photo can be as misleading as a quote taken out of context.

By the logic that anyone that holds their hand up is a white supremacist, here's another white supremacist.

And a whole crowd full of them. Check out the Pantsuit Fuhrer. She's giving the salute!

Here's another. Look at all the white supremacists! Pantsuit Fuhrer is at it again also!

People at concerts and rallies put their hands in the air. People on stage wave at them. Supposing this makes them a white supremacist is a stretch-a-roo.....

You tell me....has the crowd leader in your photos made (or failed to make) remarks that call into question their stance on racism or white supremacism? If not, there's no basis for thinking any form of subtle sympathizing with racists is in play. If so, perhaps.


Michael Jackson:
The man was black. I think it's safe to say he wasn't a white supremacist, if only because even if he felt that way, what white supremacist group would have him? I suppose he could have been a black racist (against non-blacks), but if I accept that, I have to then ask is there any additional indication that might have been so and what ability would he have had to express his racism, and to what degree might he have done so, such as refusing to associate with, hire, express kindness toward, etc. non-blacks. I don't know that he behaved that way; infact I'm fairly certain he did not behave that way.


Other:

Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous.
― Laura Pedersen, Best Bet​

I'm not saying that everyone who waves is a racist. I'm saying that Mr. Trump has has of late a spate of incidents that call his -- not everyone else's, not anyone else's -- most recently stated position on racism, and the sincerity of that position, into question. The optics of the wave are just one more illustration that questioning the sincerity of his stance on racism may not be as preposterous as it seemed to be prior to the "wave stunt."

Nobody held Mr. Trump at gunpoint making him orchestrate that wave thing. He did that willfully and all on his own. As I said, he had to know what that would look like, and he definitely knew it'd be photographed, and he is well aware of the recent comparisons -- Glen Beck among the folks who've drawn the parallels -- between himself and Hitler, and he has to know that his supporters, including David Duke and his crowd, were likely to see the imagery of that group wave he led.

Could it be that it's all just serendipity and coincidence? It could be that, but what to folks in the intelligence world say?

The probability of a certain set of circumstances coming together in a meaningful (or tragic) way is so low that it simply cannot be considered mere coincidence.
― V.C. King
​

So an inference leads to another inference that a wave, and waves from people in the crowd is a staged white supremacist display.

Now, when this guy or crowds at his rallies do exactly what people of all stripes at other similar venues do, it's a nazi salute.

The conclusion that this is some white supremacist display is specious, IMO.

Red:
Did you just hit "Reply" and start typing, or did you actually read my last post that you quoted?

I read it. Your justification for painting Trump and the people in his crowds as anything other than doing what normal people do at these events is the second supposition I referred to, which was based on the first.

Assuming trump is a racist and then using that assumption to think that those in his crowds or he is/are orchestrating some white supremacist code wave is supposition stacked upon supposition.

Hence, specious, IMO.

Red:
Well, there you go. I know now that if you've been reading my words, you haven't fully understood them. I haven't painted anything...what I've done is prepare the canvas and sketch a rough outline of the picture that I will paint in if when Mr. Trump "delivers some paint to my studio." I see now that nuance in the meaning of the words I wrote escaped you. That is what it is.

 

[SingleVoyce]

"He's asking a lot -- as if asking for us to vote for him isn't already asking a lot -- for us to not presume that waving stunt wasn't a subtle nod to white supremacists"


A wave does not a white supremacist make.

Trump is a lot of things, but a white supremacist is waaay down the list, if it's even a valid accusation at all....

And a properly timed photo can be as misleading as a quote taken out of context.

By the logic that anyone that holds their hand up is a white supremacist, here's another white supremacist.

And a whole crowd full of them. Check out the Pantsuit Fuhrer. She's giving the salute!

Here's another. Look at all the white supremacists! Pantsuit Fuhrer is at it again also!

People at concerts and rallies put their hands in the air. People on stage wave at them. Supposing this makes them a white supremacist is a stretch-a-roo.....

You tell me....has the crowd leader in your photos made (or failed to make) remarks that call into question their stance on racism or white supremacism? If not, there's no basis for thinking any form of subtle sympathizing with racists is in play. If so, perhaps.


Michael Jackson:
The man was black. I think it's safe to say he wasn't a white supremacist, if only because even if he felt that way, what white supremacist group would have him? I suppose he could have been a black racist (against non-blacks), but if I accept that, I have to then ask is there any additional indication that might have been so and what ability would he have had to express his racism, and to what degree might he have done so, such as refusing to associate with, hire, express kindness toward, etc. non-blacks. I don't know that he behaved that way; infact I'm fairly certain he did not behave that way.


Other:

Coincidence is God's way of being anonymous.
― Laura Pedersen, Best Bet​

I'm not saying that everyone who waves is a racist. I'm saying that Mr. Trump has has of late a spate of incidents that call his -- not everyone else's, not anyone else's -- most recently stated position on racism, and the sincerity of that position, into question. The optics of the wave are just one more illustration that questioning the sincerity of his stance on racism may not be as preposterous as it seemed to be prior to the "wave stunt."

Nobody held Mr. Trump at gunpoint making him orchestrate that wave thing. He did that willfully and all on his own. As I said, he had to know what that would look like, and he definitely knew it'd be photographed, and he is well aware of the recent comparisons -- Glen Beck among the folks who've drawn the parallels -- between himself and Hitler, and he has to know that his supporters, including David Duke and his crowd, were likely to see the imagery of that group wave he led.

Could it be that it's all just serendipity and coincidence? It could be that, but what to folks in the intelligence world say?

The probability of a certain set of circumstances coming together in a meaningful (or tragic) way is so low that it simply cannot be considered mere coincidence.
― V.C. King
​

So an inference leads to another inference that a wave, and waves from people in the crowd is a staged white supremacist display.

Now, when this guy or crowds at his rallies do exactly what people of all stripes at other similar venues do, it's a nazi salute.

The conclusion that this is some white supremacist display is specious, IMO.

Red:
Did you just hit "Reply" and start typing, or did you actually read my last post that you quoted?

I read it. Your justification for painting Trump and the people in his crowds as anything other than doing what normal people do at these events is the second supposition I referred to, which was based on the first.

Assuming trump is a racist and then using that assumption to think that those in his crowds or he is/are orchestrating some white supremacist code wave is supposition stacked upon supposition.

Hence, specious, IMO.

Red:
Well, there you go. I know now that if you've been reading my words, you haven't fully understood them. I haven't painted anything...what I've done is prepare the canvas and sketch a rough outline of the picture that I will paint in if when Mr. Trump "delivers some paint to my studio." I see now that nuance in the meaning of the words I wrote escaped you. That is what it is.

IMO, Trump's most "Hitleresque" moment was when, during the latest debate, he said something to the effect that, when he was Commander in Chief, the army would do whatever he told them to do. This was in particular reference to torture but it definitely demonstrated his authoritarian tendencies. He has since rolled back his comments about torture and has made some statements about not ordering the military to take illegal actions but his first thought was clearly that it would be his army to do whatever he wanted with it. That seems to me to be a VERY dangerous thought process.