The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[rightwinger]

I would like to thank you both for proving my point.

You have a point somewhere on this thread?

Oh yea..want to explain about the queer blood again?

 

[bodecea]

I would like to thank you both for proving my point.

Your point being that you can be proven a fool in one post....yes, we know.

 

[Dr Grump]

The military has a long history of loyalty, duty, respect, honor, integrity, selfless service, and personal courage. I just think that this latest social engineering experiment will be a very painful process.

And of course a bigotted retard like you doesn't believe a gay person serving in the military can have any of those traits, right?

 

[gekaap]

Reading some of the replies from the gays responding to this thread has led me to a valid conclusion. Gays, aren't only sexual deviants they are really stupid people. Gekaap, Seawtch, and Bodecea, it amazes me that you folks are allowed to walk the streets unsupervised.

What makes you think I'm gay? I'm as straight as they come. I just don't have any irrational fear of gay people, and I have no objection to them serving in the military because I served with gay people and they were fine soldiers serving their country. But I'm glad to see your true colors showing through. You have nothing to actually back up your position. All you have is ad hominem insults, which are worthless. Your position is based on nothing more than an irrational obsession you have with gay people, and with hating gay people.

 

[sinister59]

Reading some of the replies from the gays responding to this thread has led me to a valid conclusion. Gays, aren't only sexual deviants they are really stupid people. Gekaap, Seawtch, and Bodecea, it amazes me that you folks are allowed to walk the streets unsupervised.

What makes you think I'm gay? I'm as straight as they come. I just don't have any irrational fear of gay people, and I have no objection to them serving in the military because I served with gay people and they were fine soldiers serving their country. But I'm glad to see your true colors showing through. You have nothing to actually back up your position. All you have is ad hominem insults, which are worthless. Your position is based on nothing more than an irrational obsession you have with gay people, and with hating gay people.

as a vet I am proud to read your post

 

[Zona]

I would like to thank you both for proving my point.

You have a point somewhere on this thread?

Oh yea..want to explain about the queer blood again?

Charlie sheen light?

 

[gautama]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

Why Four? We didn't have that many on Sexual Harassment after Tailhook.

Oh, btw....did your son tell you that all military are tested for HIV EVERY YEAR during their physical?

I just read the OP without any of the posts in this thread.

I assume that what I am going to post has already been stated......however, in that case it bears repetition.

WTF good is an annual test ????

What about the ALL-IMPORTANT "in-between" periods between annual testing.........which it doesn't take too much to figure out that testing the ******* queers weekly would be too onerous.....and impractical. Thus making the "annual tests" just a useless BULLSHIT exercise !!!

Face it. The Obamarrhoidal Administration, with its fucked up PC Agenda, is endangering the lives of not only the queers, but the normals in the Military.

The Military ?

There are enough high ranking military that will kiss the President's arse no matter what the issue.

Consider the Muslim "Psychiatrist" Jihadist Major Hasan: FOR MONTHS, the Military spewed out the Obamarrhoidal PC line without mentioning the word "terrrorist", Jihadist, or even Islam claiming that it was an isolated nutcase occurrence on par with the nutcase that shot the congresswoman in the head, or the Columbine shootings, etc., even though the Jihadist Arsehole Hassan howled Allahu Akbar and had numerous correspondence with Osama Bin Laden's substitute Awaki (sp).

 

[gekaap]

WTF good is an annual test ????

What about the ALL-IMPORTANT "in-between" periods between annual testing.........which it doesn't take to much to figure out that testing the ******* queers weekly would be too onerous.....and impractical. Thus making the "annual tests" just a useless BULLSHIT exercise !!!

Face it. The Obamarrhoidal Administration, with its fucked up PC Agenda, is endangering the lives of not only the queers, but the normals in the Military.

The Military ?

There are enough high ranking military that will kiss the President's arse no matter what the issue.

Consider the Muslim "Psychiatrist" Jihadist Major Hasan: FOR MONTHS, the Military spewed out the Obamarrhoidal PC line without mentioning the word "terrrorist", Jihadist, or even Islam claiming that it was an isolated nutcase occurrence on par with the nutcase that shot the congresswoman in the head, or the Columbine shootings, etc., even though the Jihadist Arsehole Hassan howled Allahu Akbar and had numerous correspondence with Osama Bin Laden's substitute Awaki (sp).

On what basis do you pre-suppose that gay people have HIV? On what basis do you pre-suppose that straight soldiers cannot contract HIV between their yearly test? And on what basis do you find any relevance to going off on tangents such as Kathy Giffords or the Columbine shooting? It's obvious that you have nothing to say that is based on a rational view of the issue, and that you're more interested in ranting mindlessly. No, what you're saying doesn't bear repeating, because it's been so thoroughly debunked you actually sound less intelligent than the OP for saying it now.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

One thing that I've learned over the years is that G.I.s have their own vernacular. We acquire a certain bearing, and work ethic while serving. None of this can be imitated. A soldier's bearing can definitely not be acquired through Google, or the military channel. A military bearing is only acquired by serving. That is why active duty troops, guardsman, reservist or veterans can spot a fake a mile away. You don't talk the talk, and your incapable of walking the walk. Now that we've cleared that up go crawl back under your liberal rocks.

You forgot one thing there sparky, when I was in boot camp we a class called core ethics. This class had one point and it was that we were all navy blue. That meant black, white, woman what ever. We also were told that a sailor or Sea Bee will be there to back up the Sailor or Sea Bee on or off duty in or out of uniform. This will now include gay or straight. as for your bearing statement, you need to dig out your blue jackets Manuel and look up what military bearing means because you told us how you define it, not how the military does. You have not given any of your combat exploits only your Sons. The man who took over Navy World the day I graduated boot did the same thing. If you were in the Navy then you know ware I went to boot camp and who I am talking about and what he did and why he did it. you did not do it so you have to take your Sons credit for there alleged actions. I would hate to see how you carry on when they get laid.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Reading some of the replies from the gays responding to this thread has led me to a valid conclusion. Gays, aren't only sexual deviants they are really stupid people. Gekaap, Seawtch, and Bodecea, it amazes me that you folks are allowed to walk the streets unsupervised.

Once again showing why you are the boards latest Renaissance man

We are going to have a lot of fun with you

You mean Rain Man.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Using the OP's logic why would any woman ever join the military? Shouldn't she just be worried about getting STD's and thinking that if she's on the battlefield with a man his focus will be on sex and not his fellow soldiers and the mission?

Except for the STD's, I have actually seen this problem.

 

[Seawytch]

I would like to thank you both for proving my point.

When did you actually provide a point? You started a "I don't like queers" thread and then went on to reiterate that opinion with more opinion. You haven't provided any facts to support your contention that "The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly" just more of your opinion. Well, we all know what they say about opinions...

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Why is it necessary for heterosexuals to "tell"? Gays and lesbians want to serve under the exact same rules and regulations that heterosexuals serve under and not have a separate, much more restrictive, set of rules just for them.

As I said, it's a political statement. Telling people they have sex with men has zero to do with defending their country, which is their job in the military. But as you say they need to tell to make the political statement. And on the flip side, if you tell people in other jobs you sleep with men, you don't then shower and sleep with them. Keep your politics out of the military.

Discharging people for the consenting adult they have relations with has nothing to do with serving their country and yet that is what occurs under DADT. It is a FACT that you don't have to tell to be discharged under DADT. You can be discharged if someone else "tells" for you. It is not a political statement for gays and lesbians who serve to want to serve under the exact same rules and regulations that heterosexuals serve under.

I'll give you a scenario...

SCENE: Motopool on a Monday morning.

Soldier asks heterosexual soldier..."What did you do this weekend?"

Heterosexual Soldier: "I got a little poontang from that hot waitress at the E-Club"

Now, let's change the players.

Soldier asks gay soldier..."What did you do this weekend?"

Gay Soldier: "I picked out a new sofa with my partner Brad"

Which soldier would get a discharge with DADT in place?

The Soldier would be sent to sensitivity training because a Woman soldier overheard the other soldier talking about wild wacky sex he had over the weekend. I have seen it. I got a talking to for calling a fellow Woman Sea Bee a stupid ****. It was just horsing around, but it was not acceptable at the time. Realy, the biggest danger to our fighting men and woman is the PC bull shit that will come with it.

Excample- Bob, hand me that wrench would you ?

Bob says- Get it your self you stupid ****, am I your damn slave ?

Chief over hears this exchange and counsels Bob and then it go's into Bobs service record that he was counseled on sexism and racism. Hyper sensitivity will make DADT a pain in the ass. Name one young man who does not call his best friend a stupid *** .

 

[Seawytch]

As I said, it's a political statement. Telling people they have sex with men has zero to do with defending their country, which is their job in the military. But as you say they need to tell to make the political statement. And on the flip side, if you tell people in other jobs you sleep with men, you don't then shower and sleep with them. Keep your politics out of the military.

Discharging people for the consenting adult they have relations with has nothing to do with serving their country and yet that is what occurs under DADT. It is a FACT that you don't have to tell to be discharged under DADT. You can be discharged if someone else "tells" for you. It is not a political statement for gays and lesbians who serve to want to serve under the exact same rules and regulations that heterosexuals serve under.

I'll give you a scenario...

SCENE: Motopool on a Monday morning.

Soldier asks heterosexual soldier..."What did you do this weekend?"

Heterosexual Soldier: "I got a little poontang from that hot waitress at the E-Club"

Now, let's change the players.

Soldier asks gay soldier..."What did you do this weekend?"

Gay Soldier: "I picked out a new sofa with my partner Brad"

Which soldier would get a discharge with DADT in place?

The Soldier would be sent to sensitivity training because a Woman soldier overheard the other soldier talking about wild wacky sex he had over the weekend. I have seen it. I got a talking to for calling a fellow Woman Sea Bee a stupid ****. It was just horsing around, but it was not acceptable at the time. Realy, the biggest danger to our fighting men and woman is the PC bull shit that will come with it.

Excample- Bob, hand me that wrench would you ?

Bob says- Get it your self you stupid ****, am I your damn slave ?

Chief over hears this exchange and counsels Bob and then it go's into Bobs service record that he was counseled on sexism and racism. Hyper sensitivity will make DADT a pain in the ass. Name one young man who does not call his best friend a stupid *** .

Sorry, but punishing someone for disrespect isn't "PC". Using "***" is disrespectful and censuring that disrespect isn't "PC". Is it okay to call your best friend the "N" word? Of course not and you would deserve censure for that. *** is no different.

I would agree that "sensitivity" training regarding gays finally being able to serve honestly is ridiculous, especially since the majority of the troops really don't give a shit if someone is gay or not, but those were the conditions of the repeal. The sooner the training is done, the sooner we can finally get rid of the draconian policy known as DADT and just get back to work.

 

[rightwinger]

As I said, it's a political statement. Telling people they have sex with men has zero to do with defending their country, which is their job in the military. But as you say they need to tell to make the political statement. And on the flip side, if you tell people in other jobs you sleep with men, you don't then shower and sleep with them. Keep your politics out of the military.

Discharging people for the consenting adult they have relations with has nothing to do with serving their country and yet that is what occurs under DADT. It is a FACT that you don't have to tell to be discharged under DADT. You can be discharged if someone else "tells" for you. It is not a political statement for gays and lesbians who serve to want to serve under the exact same rules and regulations that heterosexuals serve under.

I'll give you a scenario...

SCENE: Motopool on a Monday morning.

Soldier asks heterosexual soldier..."What did you do this weekend?"

Heterosexual Soldier: "I got a little poontang from that hot waitress at the E-Club"

Now, let's change the players.

Soldier asks gay soldier..."What did you do this weekend?"

Gay Soldier: "I picked out a new sofa with my partner Brad"

Which soldier would get a discharge with DADT in place?

The Soldier would be sent to sensitivity training because a Woman soldier overheard the other soldier talking about wild wacky sex he had over the weekend. I have seen it. I got a talking to for calling a fellow Woman Sea Bee a stupid ****. It was just horsing around, but it was not acceptable at the time. Realy, the biggest danger to our fighting men and woman is the PC bull shit that will come with it.

Excample- Bob, hand me that wrench would you ?

Bob says- Get it your self you stupid ****, am I your damn slave ?

Chief over hears this exchange and counsels Bob and then it go's into Bobs service record that he was counseled on sexism and racism. Hyper sensitivity will make DADT a pain in the ass. Name one young man who does not call his best friend a stupid *** .

Shut up you stupid ****

 

[yota5]

Good morning maggots. I think that I'm going to have a great time with you too. Hoo Rah! There is one thing that is clear. You're gay. Like the old adage goes if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and acts like a duck, it's a duck. Nuff said about that.

To those of you claiming to have served with a self declared gay I have only one thing to say. Horse Hockey! When I served DADT didn't exist. So I can only say that I knowingly served with two gays. One night on BN. Staff Duty, I caught two rump rangers honking on each other (you know like seawtch says, you got to eat your meat to get to the pudding) while doing HQ CO bed check. These two individuals were taken into custody, and were out processed the next day.

The same thing would happen today under DADT. If you declare sexual deviation through action or statement you're gone. Gays can't openly serve in the US Military. It's that simple. People who have served would know that.

The statement that you served with openly declared gays would suggest that you're a liar, or didn't serve. I think that the assumption that you're a liar is evident. Your service to this country is in question, but is not readily verifiable with out seeing your DD 214. When I served we still had a volunteer/ drafted force. So all units had their fair share of maggots to deal with. Some folks just didn't belong in the military. So the fact that you may have served is a possibility.

For those of you with reading comprehension issues let me reiterate my thesis. Deviants shouldn't be allowed to openly serve in our military.

 

[Ravi]

Good morning maggots. I think that I'm going to have a great time with you too. Hoo Rah! There is one thing that is clear. You're gay. Like the old adage goes if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and acts like a duck, it's a duck. Nuff said about that.

To those of you claiming to have served with a self declared gay I have only one thing to say. Horse Hockey! When I served DADT didn't exist. So I can only say that I knowingly served with two gays. One night on BN. Staff Duty, I caught two rump rangers honking on each other (you know like seawtch says, you got to eat your meat to get to the pudding) while doing HQ CO bed check. These two individuals were taken into custody, and were out processed the next day.

The same thing would happen today under DADT. If you declare sexual deviation through action or statement you're gone. Gays can't openly serve in the US Military. It's that simple. People who have served would know that.

The statement that you served with openly declared gays would suggest that you're a liar, or didn't serve. I think that the assumption that you're a liar is evident. Your service to this country is in question, but is not readily verifiable with out seeing your DD 214. When I served we still had a volunteer/ drafted force. So all units had their fair share of maggots to deal with. Some folks just didn't belong in the military. So the fact that you may have served is a possibility.

For those of you with reading comprehension issues let me reiterate my thesis. Deviants shouldn't be allowed to openly serve in our military.

Did your son resign from the military yet or is he still eying the other guys in the showers?

 

[yota5]

No ravi, my son hasn't resigned. Unlike you he isn't a sexual deviant. Have a nice day.

 

[rightwinger]

Good morning maggots. I think that I'm going to have a great time with you too. Hoo Rah! There is one thing that is clear. You're gay. Like the old adage goes if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and acts like a duck, it's a duck. Nuff said about that.

To those of you claiming to have served with a self declared gay I have only one thing to say. Horse Hockey! When I served DADT didn't exist. So I can only say that I knowingly served with two gays. One night on BN. Staff Duty, I caught two rump rangers honking on each other (you know like seawtch says, you got to eat your meat to get to the pudding) while doing HQ CO bed check. These two individuals were taken into custody, and were out processed the next day.

The same thing would happen today under DADT. If you declare sexual deviation through action or statement you're gone. Gays can't openly serve in the US Military. It's that simple. People who have served would know that.

The statement that you served with openly declared gays would suggest that you're a liar, or didn't serve. I think that the assumption that you're a liar is evident. Your service to this country is in question, but is not readily verifiable with out seeing your DD 214. When I served we still had a volunteer/ drafted force. So all units had their fair share of maggots to deal with. Some folks just didn't belong in the military. So the fact that you may have served is a possibility.

For those of you with reading comprehension issues let me reiterate myun thesis. Deviants shouldn't be allowed to openly serve in our military.

I, for one, welcome you to the board. We will have a lot of fun with you. There are quite a few like you on the board and you are fun to play with
Those with a mindset in the 80s are easy prey

Have fun posting

 

[rightwinger]

No ravi, my son hasn't resigned. Unlike you he isn't a sexual deviant. Have a nice day.

If I were you, I would encourage my son to stand by his convictions and resign over the repeal of DADT. Given his fear of public showering and your own stated fears over gay blood, it is the most courageous thing for him to do.

Let him make a statement in proving how wrong the military is about gays. If your OP is correct, I imagine millions of soldiers will resign with him