The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[bodecea]

You know it's always the guys who talk tough like GayBIkerSailor who have nothing going for them. the only place they can be tough is behind a keyboard. Sitting in your parents basement? Isn't that a lame troll that is so 1990's yahoo?

I find it HIGHLY ironic who you are talking to in that regard. And Irony makes me laugh.

i see you are easily amused

You make that sound like a bad thing.

 

[bodecea]

Bodecea, I like the new avatar. However, I think that the original would still spin in her grave.

did you know her?

 

[yota5]

I sure as Hell didn't disrespect my wife talking shit about our bedroom in the workplace, nor did I shove my wife down any of my Marine's throats.

And why on earth do you assume that gays and lesbians will be "talking shit about their bedroom"? Did your fellow Marines know you were married? If they did, doesn't that constitute "shoving" down peoples throats? If my shipmates had known that I had a "wife", I would have been discharged. However, as Bod said, not anymore.

Now, when someone asks "What did you do this weekend?", responding with "I picked out furniture with my partner, (insert name of same sex partner here)...AND THEY WON'T GET DISCHARGED. How awesome is that?

This isn't about winning Seawtch. It's about combat readiness. How has this gay victory contributed to the combat readiness of the military? Taking everything into perspective you could say the USA lost. That isn't awesome at all is it?

I saw in an earlier post where Gunny said gays have always been allowed to serve honorably. If that were true why did Clinton establish DADT?

 

[yota5]

Bodecea, I like the new avatar. However, I think that the original would still spin in her grave.

did you know her?

No I never had the pleasure. However, she really made the Romans sit up, and take notice didn't she?

 

[Momanohedhunter]

I sure as Hell didn't disrespect my wife talking shit about our bedroom in the workplace, nor did I shove my wife down any of my Marine's throats.

And why on earth do you assume that gays and lesbians will be "talking shit about their bedroom"? Did your fellow Marines know you were married? If they did, doesn't that constitute "shoving" down peoples throats? If my shipmates had known that I had a "wife", I would have been discharged. However, as Bod said, not anymore.

Now, when someone asks "What did you do this weekend?", responding with "I picked out furniture with my partner, (insert name of same sex partner here)...AND THEY WON'T GET DISCHARGED. How awesome is that?

This isn't about winning Seawtch. It's about combat readiness. How has this gay victory contributed to the combat readiness of the military? Taking everything into perspective you could say the USA lost. That isn't awesome at all is it?

I saw in an earlier post where Gunny said gays have always been allowed to serve honorably. If that were true why did Clinton establish DADT?

You still havent said how it detracts from combat readiness.

 

[Seawytch]

I saw in an earlier post where Gunny said gays have always been allowed to serve honorably. If that were true why did Clinton establish DADT?

Because it's not true. Prior to 1993, gays who had "engaged in homosexual activity" had to lie in order to join the military. Once they lied to get in and then lived in constant fear of discharge for being gay, they could serve quite honorably...but not honestly. DADT was a compromise to what Clinton wanted to do...which was lift the ban. When he tried, right wing heads exploded everywhere and he capitulated to DADT which no longer required that gays and lesbians had to lie simply to join and serve their country.

 

[Seawytch]

I sure as Hell didn't disrespect my wife talking shit about our bedroom in the workplace, nor did I shove my wife down any of my Marine's throats.

And why on earth do you assume that gays and lesbians will be "talking shit about their bedroom"? Did your fellow Marines know you were married? If they did, doesn't that constitute "shoving" down peoples throats? If my shipmates had known that I had a "wife", I would have been discharged. However, as Bod said, not anymore.

Now, when someone asks "What did you do this weekend?", responding with "I picked out furniture with my partner, (insert name of same sex partner here)...AND THEY WON'T GET DISCHARGED. How awesome is that?

This isn't about winning Seawtch. It's about combat readiness. How has this gay victory contributed to the combat readiness of the military? Taking everything into perspective you could say the USA lost. That isn't awesome at all is it?

This will be the 2nd or 3rd time I've asked you (and I know others have asked you)...how is combat readiness in any way affected by the knowledge that you are serving with someone gay or lesbian? 25 other countries have lifted their bans on gays serving honestly. Please provide evidence that their combat readiness has been negatively affected AT ALL.

 

[bodecea]

Bodecea, I like the new avatar. However, I think that the original would still spin in her grave.

did you know her?

No I never had the pleasure. However, she really made the Romans sit up, and take notice didn't she?

For a while...but in that last battle, her tactics sucked.

 

[CountofTuscany]

LMAO _ So now AbikerSailor is giving out neg reps because he doesn't agree with me. Awe poor baby. You whiney libs are so easy to push. dude, the only reason you ever joined the navy was to shower with other men. you are a disgrace to bikers too. What a joke.

What kind of biker neg reps? What's he drive, a Vespa?

 

[CountofTuscany]

And why on earth do you assume that gays and lesbians will be "talking shit about their bedroom"? Did your fellow Marines know you were married? If they did, doesn't that constitute "shoving" down peoples throats? If my shipmates had known that I had a "wife", I would have been discharged. However, as Bod said, not anymore.

Now, when someone asks "What did you do this weekend?", responding with "I picked out furniture with my partner, (insert name of same sex partner here)...AND THEY WON'T GET DISCHARGED. How awesome is that?

This isn't about winning Seawtch. It's about combat readiness. How has this gay victory contributed to the combat readiness of the military? Taking everything into perspective you could say the USA lost. That isn't awesome at all is it?

I saw in an earlier post where Gunny said gays have always been allowed to serve honorably. If that were true why did Clinton establish DADT?

You still havent said how it detracts from combat readiness.

Does it add to it?

 

[Seawytch]

This isn't about winning Seawtch. It's about combat readiness. How has this gay victory contributed to the combat readiness of the military? Taking everything into perspective you could say the USA lost. That isn't awesome at all is it?

I saw in an earlier post where Gunny said gays have always been allowed to serve honorably. If that were true why did Clinton establish DADT?

You still havent said how it detracts from combat readiness.

Does it add to it?

Yes.

 

[CountofTuscany]

You still havent said how it detracts from combat readiness.

Does it add to it?

Yes.

How? I'd love to hear someone give a executional advantage rather than a feel good reason why.

 

[yota5]

did you know her?

No I never had the pleasure. However, she really made the Romans sit up, and take notice didn't she?

For a while...but in that last battle, her tactics sucked.

That may be true, but history will show that she took on the most feared fighting force of her time and almost defeated it. Lack of maneuverability, operational control, training, tactics, and discipline ultimately defeated her. In spite of that she made an impact. She lived in 60 AD, yet you and I are still talking about her today, and you use her as an inspirational avatar.

 

[Gadawg73]

Does it add to it?

Yes.

How? I'd love to hear someone give a executional advantage rather than a feel good reason why.

If you signed up today how would you add to combat readiness?
How does anyone add to combat readiness?
And distinguish how a new recruit out of high school adds to combat readiness be they gay or straight.
The argument is that GAYS will negatively affect combat readiness.
Prove that. You know you can't so admit it.

 

[CountofTuscany]

Yes.

How? I'd love to hear someone give a executional advantage rather than a feel good reason why.

If you signed up today how would you add to combat readiness?
How does anyone add to combat readiness?
And distinguish how a new recruit out of high school adds to combat readiness be they gay or straight.
The argument is that GAYS will negatively affect combat readiness.
Prove that. You know you can't so admit it.

So you can not offer up a benefit is what you are saying?

 

[Gadawg73]

How? I'd love to hear someone give a executional advantage rather than a feel good reason why.

If you signed up today how would you add to combat readiness?
How does anyone add to combat readiness?
And distinguish how a new recruit out of high school adds to combat readiness be they gay or straight.
The argument is that GAYS will negatively affect combat readiness.
Prove that. You know you can't so admit it.

So you can not offer up a benefit is what you are saying?

Don't have to offer up any benefit. The military trains everyone and benefits from that.
You have to show that is hurts the military and you can't. You know it so just admit it.
How is a gay person less beneficial to the military?
I am patient and will wait until hell freezes over for your answer. Or you can continue to run from that like a monkey on fire.

 

[yota5]

Currently the United States military is the benchmark by which all others are measured. Our all volunteer military is the most respected, disciplined, competent, combat ready force in the world. Gays are not part of this equation because gays can not serve openly in our military. Adding gays to this equation can only negatively impact the US Military. If an explanation of how openly serving gays can add to a units combat readiness were available the gay community would have been offered it with great gusto. Yet not one person has come forth. The reason is that a valid explanation doesn't exist. The silence of the gay community on this matter validates this assumption.

 

[pinqy]

Gays are not part of this equation because gays can not serve openly in our military.

Either you never served, or you had your head in the sand. Everyone always knows the homosexuals and there are always some. I think only one person ever surprised me and then it was an "oh, duh," moment.

Adding gays to this equation can only negatively impact the US Military.

HOW???? I've served with over a dozen homosexuals, all were known as an open secret and it had zero effect on our performance in garrison, in the field, or in a combat zone.

 

[bodecea]

No I never had the pleasure. However, she really made the Romans sit up, and take notice didn't she?

For a while...but in that last battle, her tactics sucked.

That may be true, but history will show that she took on the most feared fighting force of her time and almost defeated it. Lack of maneuverability, operational control, training, tactics, and discipline ultimately defeated her. In spite of that she made an impact. She lived in 60 AD, yet you and I are still talking about her today, and you use her as an inspirational avatar.

Yep, and also because I'm mostly Celt.

 

[bodecea]

Currently the United States military is the benchmark by which all others are measured. Our all volunteer military is the most respected, disciplined, competent, combat ready force in the world. Gays are not part of this equation because gays can not serve openly in our military. Adding gays to this equation can only negatively impact the US Military. If an explanation of how openly serving gays can add to a units combat readiness were available the gay community would have been offered it with great gusto. Yet not one person has come forth. The reason is that a valid explanation doesn't exist. The silence of the gay community on this matter validates this assumption.

We most certainly ARE part of the equation. We are in all branches of the military. You can deny all you want...but we are there...in large enough numbers that it HURTS readiness when we are discharged.